Tom Rogers: Jill Stein blew it for Hillary Clinton, will she do the same for Harris?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- "Unfortunately for Kamala Harris, Jill Stein is back in the 2024 election, having not run in 2020. Why she is back is a good question. She has absolutely no chance of even getting a single electoral vote. However, she has some chance of playing spoiler in a way that would do what she did in 2016 and directly cause Trump to regain the presidency," writes Tom Rogers in a recent Newsweek column. Rogers joins Morning Joe to discuss.
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#JillStein #KamalaHarris #Politics
A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.
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Vote for Stein so Trump can win to let Netanyahu do whatever he wants.
A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is a vote for both of them.
@@catkin-z8g If you would vote only for good, you would never vote
A vote for Kamala is a vote for disaster.
She doesn’t even have a basic understanding of how many individuals make up the House and Senate. She ain’t got a clue
Jill Stein is anti genocide.
Kamala doesn’t no her Grandma.
Kamala doesn’t no her Grandma.
Can Kamala tell us how may murderers rapists
Well done Jill Stein.🎉
Jill Stein is an embarrassment. I voted for Nader, but Jill Stein is just one big mess.
The big disappointment to me is Cornel West.
He’s the worse for me too!
Yes, this! He really fell off a pedestal for me with this candidacy nonsense. Pure stupidity and ego.
It's all about being a celeb. Ego pushes the human to seek recognition and celebrity status. Stein, RFK Jr. the orange man. The Menendez brothers. Charles Manson.
True. Look at fascist Harris and Oprah’s lil rally. More about who they know, than what they know.
You forgot the Hollyweird creeps endorsing Kamalia
@@AmericasinertiaThe point went right over your head.
@BMinus0593 No it didn't. They are all doing the same thing for power and greed.
And raking in millions of dollars
Yet another reason the Electoral College needs to go.
Jill who? Are you referring to Putin's girlfriend?
That's why I quit watching mainstream channels like these. It's so respulsive and full of lies.
They did sit at the same table once
Yawn. Russiagate hysteria is so 2016.
@@afridgetoofar1818 sorry bud, Russia gate was proven by multiple sources... But its nice you serve putin loyally.
@@josephh8117 after knowing putin invaded neighboring countries repeatedly. WITH FLYNN
That was an entire American Horror Story season based on the main character voting for Jill Stein then Freaking out over Donald
Trump actually winning
We need to remember Trump's name is on PROJECT 2025 312 times. We cannot get distracted from Project 2025.
It isn't. If you read it you would know.
@@MaryBarlow-f2g the author of Project 2025 is writing Trumps policy proposals but you've never been honest before so why start today?
@@MaryBarlow-f2g Mary, I have read Project 2025 and his name is mentioned approximately 300 times. I checked and the correct number is 312. Mary, please read " When Prophecy Fails". You are not in a political movement you are in a cult.
It's propaganda! It's been debunked a million times but people obviously choose to still go with believing misinformation! Heritage fund can write whatever they want it has nothing to do with Trump!
Jill stein knows exactly what she is doing to participate in in russias main objective. Why don’t more people call her out on it.
Haaaaaaaahahahahahaha!
When all else fails, "Wussia Wussia Wussia!!!"
DERP.....
You're down a rabbit hole
And there’s no way she can possibly win….Just a personal ego trip.
Because what you said is a liberal fantasy
@@Timponwalzdancingindragyou have not a mm of wiggle room when you still can’t concede the election was stolen, stooge.
Stein will do what Putin wants her to do. When asked how many seats there were in the US Congress, she gave the correct answer for the Russian legislature. Go figure eh?
We need a civics test for candidates. Trump and Stein would fail miserably.
Commie can not even answer her own questions.
Exactly. First question for Trump: What is a tariff?
(D)oes anyone know what a border is?
You need to pass a test to be a hair stylist...
So say liberals who cannot even define what a woman is. 🤣😂🤣😂
She just come back every 4th year for the grifting. Putin pays her bills. She is a female version of Trump.
What exactly is wrong with our Economy? 15.6 millon jobs created in 3.5 years. Record, record high stock market🇺🇸. Lowest unemployment in a decade! Wages are higher than inflation. Increased local production in gases which allows gas prices to decline! So what is wrong with our economy? A New Way Forward 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸
Haaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
I agree with you!
Lol
There’s nothing wrong with the economy, there’s something wrong with you!😜
@oswaldbarnes5861 Clearly a BOT. Nowhere near 15.6 million jobs "created". Are you people that dumb? When DEMS shut the economy down, thats where the jobs went, then when they sad, OK come back to work, BAM, Dems, Look, we created jobs. Inflation is still 3 times higher than ever under Trump, Small fraction of people use the Stock Market and Unemployment was LOWER under Trump before the WU U FLu. Gas is STILL $1.10 higher than under Trump.
Stein, "What is it, 600 some?" Are you joking? Some people will spend their one precious vote for this person?
Yes cause she doesn’t support a genocide 🤷🏻♀️
Too bad there isn't a laughing emoji. Facebook are you listening?
I'm disappointed in Cornel West.He doesn't care about a Woman possibly being in the white house.
Unfortunantly, being known to the World has made him too prideful. There is a time and place for everything, and this is not his time.
Harris-Walz 2024!!! Stein is clueless!!! Vote blue all the way!!!
Please endorse Kamala
Don’t hand it to the republicans
I'm sure the Clinton machine is kicking into high gear.
Kommunism. Pass
Chappell Ronan refuses to endorse Harris because of Gaza. Millions of fans.
@@Americasinertia No. We don't have many communists in the US. It's just more trumpian lies.
Nahh we voting for Trump, we care about the economy, inflation, housing and border which have been a disaster with Biden Harris
A vote for Stein is a wasted vote.
It'll prevent Kamala Harris from becoming president. How is it a wasted vote?
Worse, it strengthens the party you least want to see in office. It's called 'electoral math'. Basic but people refuse to acknowledge it.
Blah blah blah the date to withdraw from the ballot is past.
How many times can you run for and lose the Presidency. She should not be on any ballot! Vote Harris to send her home. . . Again!
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Don't waste your vote, it's too important. I made this mistake one year and I have regretted it. Vote straight blue and not for Project 2025. 🌊🌊🌊🌊
Who did you vote for?
@@TeddyMonka It was the election between Trump and Hillary. I felt Trump didn't have the know how to run this Country and I didn't like how Hillary handled her emails and how Benghazi was handled. I voted for Jill when I saw her going against the oil corporations on Indian Land. Right or wrong I had wasted my vote, I'm not doing that again. I don't want Project 2025 and I have many other reasons why I am voting straight blue.
@@windorsolarplease4314 Same logic people use to vote for Trump. You don't decide the elction but you do influence people to vote for Trump by claiming wasted votes and overlooking the many problems with the democrats etc.
@@windorsolarplease4314 I don't think it was a mistake to vote for Jill. And I say this as someone who voted for Hillary. People should vote for who they want. I don't consider any vote to be wasted. The dems need to do a better job, improving people's lives and working for every single vote. And if they don't, they have no one else to blame.
@TeddyMonka thank you for your kind words, but I wouldn't do it again. I am an independent voter, and except for that one time, I have only voted for both parties. Since I am older, I probably will never vote republican again. I doubt in my lifetime I will ever see or trust the republican party again. It has been hijacked. I will be voting straight blue.
AOC said something applicable about Jill Stein and it really fits.
And that was what?
Jill is like an old bull elephant who has to wait years to finally....never mind.
Has she ever done anything but run as a spoiler at the top of the ticket every four years? It's infuriating that people fall for her.
💙💯🗽🇺🇸💙💯🗽🇺🇸💙💯🗽🇺🇸💙💯🗽🇺🇸💙💯🗽🇺🇸 Kamala Harris 💙
Well Kennedy wasnt doing the job.
So bring back this old fossil.😅
He was but the DNC pushed him aside and Stein NEVER left
@@seanmccartney5177😂😂😂😂
I kind of hate Jill Stein for running, knowing fully well what is at stake.
Jill Stein is a pitiful self-serving excuse of a politician.
Wow. Someone running for president not knowing there are 435 members in the House? Something I - and others - learned in grade school.
Jill’s looking pretty old and irrelevant. Jester Jill.
You can't lay Hillary Clintons loss on her alone. Trump had help from Russia and many didn't believe he could win, and didn't vote as a result.
2016 called. They want their lame Russian collusion lie back.
Wussia, Wuassia, Wussia....
DERP
Shut up😊
@@Timponwalzdancingindrag That would suk to be russian right now. I dont know how you do it.
@@DuaneHallinSD There's our guy!
Did you, Bernard and Darth make use of those Tim Walz Signature Felching Tubes this weekend?
The contentious primary and James Comey made 2016 very unique. After all those millions spent, it was Comey's two cents that decided the election.
Electoral College. In the Cilntons column 2,868,686 difference in the popular vote. 3.5 million voted for the independent Gary Johnson, and 1.4 for Jill Stein. 6 plus million wasted votes and an Electoral College out-of-date power.
Included: 1.1 million plus votes for smaller candidates.
Jill will have to work hard to sink Harris. Too many people are sick of trump and know about P2025.
Hillary Clinton and the DNC blew it for Hillary Clinton. Still can't figure out how she was nominated.
She's certainly trying!
Jill steij needs to stay off the ballot until we get national ranked choice voting. Otherwise she is helping elect trump
She should be ashamed of herself
“Shut up and support the DNC machine”
WHY?
If Jill Stein had done the work to rise from a grass roots movement by running for local, then state, and then federal positions, she'd be credible. She never did the work. I would have liked to be a professional football player, but if I'd never played, and walked onto tryouts, I shouldn't expect to be hired.
The selfishness of staying in THIS year's campaign is, in my opinion, unforgivable. 🇺🇲
FJS
Hillary blew it for hillary
Hillary should've fired Huma. That woman was an albatross around Hillary's neck.
I would never vote for a third party candidate because you're just wasting your vote. In the primary it is ok like the Rev said to make a point.
Between tik tok and the media outlets like this one… it is entirely possible that ya’ll will help Jill Stien get Trump elected.
Too funny that they are showing a clip from the breakfast club😂
DIDN’T KAMALA SAY OFFICIALS SAY TRUMP IS A DISGRACE.
OUCH….
I mean Harris could always offer her a job as head of the EPA or soemthing else in the administration. It seems rather obvious that Stein will not have the votes to get into the WH on her own, so making a deal with her seems the natural solution for both.
Jill Stein doesn't want dems to win. Mueller laid out that she is Putins girl.
There is a fair enough chance that Stein is actually a Russian agent either of influence or agent herself. I don't think I would want someone like that in my cabinet.
RANKED CHOICE VOTING SHOULD BE MANDATORY.
Joe Scarborough has a great sense of humor. Much needed in these troubling times.
I'm guessing they couldn't get Kanye to take another runbat it, huh?
All you need tondo is start chanting how dangerous she is tondemocracy and how she must be stopped at all cost to your viewers.
Your space bar isn't working.
They wouldn't make this report if they didn't think Kamala Harris was losing. Time to switch to the Stein campaign. Harris is going to lose anyway.
@@catkin-z8g LoGiC.
You know how all the Republicans stated that the 2016 election was contested by Clinton? It wasn't. It was contested by Jill Stein using a subset of the same absurd arguments that Trump used in 2020.
Bots are already here, this time they support Jill Stein LOL
Spoiler alert,! Harris is not Hillary. We are focused on Harris/Walz. VOTE BLUE straight through 💙💙💙💙💙
Harris isn’t killary, but just as dangerous.
They both KCUS
Sure. But I'm sure they will be blaming Stein when they lose.
No. Hillary was awful, but she wasn't a total mo ron.
@@winstonsmith6607 Bro, come on. We both know Kamala is an order of magnitude smarter than Trump. Stop it.
Jill Stein and Cornell West, why don’t you use your position to negotiate, like Bernie Sanders did, to get some support for elements of your platform. Trump will not deliver anything that you favour. If you carry on campaigning, you will get worse than nothing. 😢
You phrased the question exactly correctly. And that's how you know Stein actually really doesn't care and she's only a Putin puppet. Because she isn't advocating for her platform.
You can debate J. Stein's political merits all you want, the true question is: Are we doomed to continue with a two-party system? How does such a system truly represent American voters' views and aspirations?
There are plenty of Real green elected officials at local levels. That's how you start building a party. not by throwing in a Putin puppet for President and pretending it's a green Party candidate.
Hillary (D)id it to herself.
Yup
Inexcusable.
I disagree with you. Many people either did not vote for president or wrote in Bernie Sanders over the way he was cut off at the knees and treated badly by Hillary. That in tandem with Jill Stein. Clinton was not well liked.
And how did that work out?
Better than trump though.
Trump lies when he says Putin attacked Ukraine because trump wasnt president.
Putin attacked Ukraine because trump had been president and he thinks he will again.
If Hillary had become president he would not have invaded.
He was scared of Clinton.
He helped trump because of that fear.
Except that didn't happen.
I turned on the democratic convention and some guy was speaking... and in the background there was a giant monitor that read 'Jill Stein is a threat'
Bernie was and still is an independent so why did the democrats need to do anything to help him?
I don't come to this venue for unbiased news reporting because ....... Well , I come here to read as many Comments as I can before I have to pause to say a prayer for this country
2:00 " Without the third party candidates, no Republican would have won the presidential election since 1992" That's not true. He's assuming that if a Democrat won, it wouldn't affect the following elections.
Stein is another perfect example for demanding anyone aspiring to run for office must take and pass a basic political science 101 final exam. Our country is too big and powerful and complex to allow amateurs in possession of nuclear codes.
Should have not kicked everybody off the ballot in the primary. They were more qualified. Stand up Jill !!!
Gary Johnson had 4.5 million . . Jill Stein had 1.5 Million and Evan McMullin had 735thousand. . so, It wasn't just Jill Stein causing issues for the two main parties. Obviously, Johnson had 3 times the votes as Jill Stein. SO, together they caused the issue. Not sure it was Just Jill Stein. Personally, I feel that there should be a primary threshold you have to meet to show you are a legitimate candidate before you can be put on the National Ticket, specially for President of the US.
Wonder why so many comments are disappearing tying Stein to Putin? Almost like a Russian bot farm is on here flipping out.
Jill who?
Stein.
Vote Donald J Trump For President Save America 🇺🇸
I don’t care for Jill Stein, but it was/is Clinton/Harris’ job to eat into Steinsn margin.
Already looking for excuses for losing, huh?
This is not the time to upset the applecart us girls must stick together just this ones it’s just to important!
Why does she even bother??? She knows she will.not win!!
Simple, she’s paid by Putin to run to take votes from Harris. During recent interview, Stein refused to condemn Putin for invading Ukraine and wouldn’t say anything bad about him..
So does Kamala. Why not support Jill when Kamala is going to lose anyway? If Kamala dropped out she could join the Stein campaign and prosecute war criminals.
@catkin-z8g 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you must be high on some cheap sh***
Start practicing Madam President Kamala Harris
When oh when will Jill Stein retire to Moscow and just leave us all alone.
Man, this comment section is about to be a whole mess; I am staying out of this one.
Who is this women and why I does she have so much power.
Ohhh no!,,
Stein & West should drop out!
We live in a Democracy and deserve more choices like West and Stein.
@@TheTruthFollowsPutin agrees
WHY
@@aaronjohnson5250 Just because Putin agrees with Americans don't make it bad.
@@TheTruthFollowsWe also need to see Trump’s high school and college transcripts.
So now Joe and Mika don't like more than 2 candidates running for prez?? We should have more. Sharpton says what is the point of 3rd party candidates. that's rich Al.
HC didn’t even visit Wisconsin 😂 stop blaming others!
Duopoly cops
What???????
Go Jill go.
Omg???
Voting for Stein is throwing your vote away. If she truly cared about the country and not 5 seconds of attention, she wouldn't wasted everyone's time
It doesn't matter if they doesn't win its either you are for democracy or against it not when it benefits you to say the next party is undemocratic while you are worse
Isn't the combination of Google translate and ChatGPT wonderful? You hardly sound Russian at all.
Yes I am voting for 3rd party
I live in a blood red state. Because of the Electoral College, my vote literally does not count. I can only use it as a protest vote, & that's what I'm going to do. I will be voting for Claudia De La Cruz, even if I have to write in her name.
Until we abolish the Electoral College & implement ranked choice voting, the majority of Americans' votes WILL NOT COUNT.
EDIT: AOC is right about Jill Stein. She's a cicada. She only shows up for presidential elections, otherwise she crawls back under her rock to wait for her next opportunity to emerge. She does NOTHING to build a grassroots movement. NOTHING. She panders & pays lip service & slurps up whatever small amounts misguided ppl give to her. She's despicable.
The popular vote needs to let MAGA know that we are done with them. And people need to realize that states are shades of purple.
We love Jill Stein and Cornell West. Donald Trump sends his regards to them. MAGA 2024
Thank you for telling the truth, for a change.
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Thing is with Hillary, she wasn't likable, she had too much baggage and thus more people went 3rd party. I don't see that this yeaer.
Hillary won the popular vote- someone liked her.
She’s a grifter
How so?
NOT THIS TIME.
DO YOUR BATHROOM STINK ? CALL 1-800 NEE-DAIR
I disagree with the argument that Stein "cost" Hillary the election, the people who voted for Hillary as their candidate in the primary cost themselves the election. I'm sorry, but the point of a political campaign is to *convince people to vote FOR you*, you don't start a campaign entitled to a win and blame anyone else that participates for your loss. Hillary was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign. I'm beyond sick and tired of voting for the lesser of evils just to avoid the greater of them. The Dems need to offer the BEST candidate, not just one marginally better than the worst. Hillary ticked all the boxes of why our politics are so bad - arrogant, entitled, elitist, out of touch and beholden to corporate interests. I'll never vote for that, I don't care who gets in as a result. Offer someone who represents the people, Democrats, and I'll vote for your candidate, otherwise, take a hike and choose better next time.
VOting for the lesser of 2 evils does not avoid the greater of them. It helps the greater by making them the only other option. Don't go back to the narcissist. They will punish you for having left and it will be worse than before. Maintain no contact.
She is a paid Russian spoiler
You're confusing her with Tulsi.
Hillary Clinton blew it for Hillary Clinton. She was a horrible candidate.
Should Jill Stein be asked if she is friends with DT? Does anyone know what she stands for? Or is she a Putin proxy? Follow the money for all 3rd party candidates.
Putin endorses Kamala for president right now...
@@dogsenseforu301 Just to inform you, yes, Putin is and has been supporting VP Harris just to hurt her. Putin came to power and started working on the plan to rebuild the former Soviet Union. DT was in Moscow in the 80's with his Ivana (deceased, born behind the Iron Curtain). Just to inform you, at that time they were only allowed to travel out of the Eastern Bloc if they were reporting. At that time, only a few businessmen from the West who were doing business there were able to get visas to enter the country, or people (like Ivana) who were from the Eastern Bloc country. Everyone had to go to their embassies and report what they saw. I traveled east and west between the 70s and 2008. I know the whole story, and I saw parts of it unfold before my eyes. Russia and many others have been trying to undermine democracies for many, many years.
@@dogsenseforu301 Follow the money. DT was married to Ivana (born behind the wall). In those days anyone coming from there had to report to their embassies. So please ask yourself why DT was there in the late 80s. At that time no one could go there without a visa (business related). DT was married to Ivana (born behind the wall, now deceased). DT sold many NY apartments to oligarchs. See also what happened in England and on the golf courses. I travelled and worked in the East (behind the wall) and the West from the 70's to 2008! I saw it all in the late 80s and 90s. As soon as he came to power he started the project of rebuilding the former Soviet Union ( So far it has not worked as quickly as he thought) and undermining democratic countries (some others are doing the same). He only endorsed VP Harris to undermine her election because he knows it would harm her.
Hillary blew it for Hillary...... Give me a break.
Why would MSNBC air anything about Jill Stein? She’s irrelevant, so why give her air time?
THAT is a great question.
MSNBCs bosses want Trump to win.
The point of the story was to say she might cause Trump to win the election. It's to warn people that a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.
Hillary wasn't likable, felt entitled to the presidency and she didn't run a good campaign. Kamala is running a great campaign. Jill Stein will have no impact whatsoever.
In 2016, without Jill Stein, Clinton would have won. According to polls, Trump is doing even better now. Jill Stein could very well give this election to Trump as well. And she knows it.
This is such a weird take. People know exactly what they are voting for. To presume that Jill Stein voters will switch to Harris if Stein isn't on the ballot is misleading. Voters know Jill Stein will lose, and they still vote for her. Blame the 2 party system, not Jill Stein.
*Hillary Clinton blew it for Hillary Clinton*
Virtue signalers voting for Jill Stein didn't help.
Bill Clinton and Obama blew it for her.
She won the popular vote by 2.8 million votes. In any other country that would have been a win. The electoral college keeps electing people who don't win the popular vote.
She got 3 million more votes than Trump but it’s the swing states that helped him win the electoral college votes thx to Jill!!🤬🤦🏽♀️
And here I thought it was James Comey's fault. Anyone, and everyone's fault but Hillary Clinton's.
That was a contributing factor.