One way to pick up on this concept is to look at shifter reviews. Notice how a lot of DIYers talk about upgrading their derailleur experience by just upgrading their shifter. There you go.
I think you make a strong argument for friction shifting. My son & I just built a Lemond Road bike with friction shifting with 105 11 speed front and rear derailleurs that run as 2x10 it works great. Analog bikes are about DIY as it it gets. It's about having fun & enjoying your bike. Who cares about the latest and greatest bike stuff. Thanks for the vid 😊
Just received an new Acera rear derailleur for my new/first build. I have confidence that this will be just fine. If not I’ve only invested $32 Canadian on Amazon. Keep up the great work. Enjoy your day.
Dude! Nice to see you!! Thanks again for the book recommendation…gotta get it this time! Collagen?! Hostage tape?!? You choose your “sponsors” with a random recklessness that one is forced to…not ignore. 🤣. Thanks for your post!!
Frame, wheels, handlebar, saddle, cranckset, in correct dimensions for the rider is what matters. And everything with a ball-bearing. And correct gearing.. Good Brakes are nice to have on road and mountain bikes.. Because you will unfortunately need them at some point.
I came across Microshift Advent 9 speed derailleurs a few years ago. Solid performance for the riding I do. Been using the Advent X 10 speed now because of the wide range. Don't plan on going back to the popular/ racing brands anytime soon. Also, love all of your content. 🤘🏽
Loved it. Well I’d have to buy a bunch of things to make the drink happen. Luckily I have some Apple Crown and sugar free Red Bull handy (exactly a 50% mix 50/50). That’s a components lesson I definitely needed. Thnx.
I have Breath on hold but read Deep in the meantime. Not sure which came first but I like the writer. Excellent work. I have one of those big pulley derailers on my Atlantis with 11-36 9 speed & some plastic trigger shifter. Works flawlessly. Cost less than $30. Happy customer.
@@ThePsychicDerailleur The beginning is pretty hairy but he gets into deep water research & a whole bunch of other things. It's way more than crazy freediving. Read the summary chapter & it may intrigue you into giving it another try.
I built myself a really clean cyclocross bike with a Campagnolo groupset and it's an amazing rider!! That being said, I've got a winter bike build in the folds that draws on last year's riding experience and ties in nicely with what's been put forth here. I got a cheap used road bike with a nice Tiagra groupset on it and plan on winterising it... First thing to go is the front derailer... I stayed on the small chain ring all of last winter! Ditch the big one!! Next up is downgrading to a cheap disposable rear derailer and pairing it with an equally cheap set of wheels with 6 speed cogs coupled with a friction shifter and there's my winter ride... bullet proof and if anything goes south at the end of the season, Amazon is my friend, I can put the frameset back in road mode with the stored Shimano stuff and ride it until next winter!!
I cannot agree more… I am lucky. I could ride almost anything and have ridden really high-end stuff. My wife buys me expensive bikes if she likes the color. But once you have ridden and owned the good stuff, you come to realize how good some more budget-oriented stuff is. MicroSHIFT Advent is fabulous. My wife’s Acera derailleur works perfectly. The bike I just finished has Shimano MT200 brakes. They’re not quite as good as my XT brakes, but they’re close. Will I stop riding my electronic groupsets? No. But when I do ride more basic stuff, I have no issues. Shifts are smooth. Brakes work. I go fast enough. As far as summer is concerned? We had a very nice break early this week, but as I type, it’s 96F in Memphis. It’ll be hotter tomorrow. Enough.
The real question I want to know is can a sram transmission derailleur be used with a shimano hg+ cassette and chain 🤔 Doesn’t seem like anyone that has Ttype has thought of or cares to try 😂. The ttype cassettes are expensive!
I think it was MapDec who said that we should pay more attention to frames, bars, and wheels, and less to components. I'm currently running friction 2x10 bar ends, with a rear derailleur and cassette that shouldn't work together, but they do. I miss a shift now and then, and I'm not the fastest guy in my club (although I'm pretty good on a hill), but I'm not a racer... and I think cycling should be affordable, and I'm a proponent of customizing your bike (they ARE modular, aren't they?), and I'm not above enjoying a bit of cycling weirdness. I have one of those Altus derailleurs. It did fine for my 2x9 friction setup, but when I had to go to indexed (don't ask), I had to take it off.
This very idea (rear der doesn't matter) is what hit me first when I heard about the new SRAM Transmission system. I asked myself, "don't people understand shifting, or want to understand shifting? no! they want an automatic transmission that shifts for them, they just don't realize it." Those of us who learned shifting long ago and learned also manual transmissions in autos, we know shifting under power is a dumb idea and understanding the gear change process is important. But people want mindless operation, as if they don't have a brain in their head.
Agree. In part. Most people don’t shift. At all. Transmission, on the other hand, is more about the interface between the frame and derailleur. It does away with the hanger. Which has always been a weak part. Thanks for watching!
@@ThePsychicDerailleur Yes, you're right and I didn't mention that -- mechanically speaking that's the advantage. But internet and in-person chatter from those who aren't mechanics, it's about the "I can shift whenever I like and don't have to let off, pause, etc." I suppose fewer chain breakages will result from those who insist on shifting under full power. I love the hangerless idea, 10-11-12spd drivetrains are finicky on hanger trueness. Been a while since I snapped a hanger but it doesn't take much to bend one into a shift-fouling state.
Dang! I wish I watched this before I bought a wireless derailleur for my single speed. 😸 There will always be people looking to spend money for the sake of spending money.
yeah - there is a lot of charlatanism going on in consumer advertising: mobile phones, computers, watches, televisions and dare I say it but bicycles as well. The bike is a simple tool and the ride quality is in the frame geometry, wheels and tyres and bar set up. Enjoy your riding.
C'mon, thats the first thing you look at coming up behind someone else on the road... :) Racing back in the day your self image was dependent on what word was on the rear derailleur... Campagnolo = cool, 105 = squid, Ultegra = cool, Dura Ace / Chorus / Record = i'm awesome... The Altus 8 speed derailleur on my commuter works flawlessly with Microshift thumb shifters, couldn't be better... Nowadays i don't care anymore who's reading my derailleur. :)
@@ThePsychicDerailleuron a side note…..are you able to order a 58cm disc trucker from Surly? I’m in central Florida but originally from Sarasota and interested in buying one so thought I’d inquire with you before driving an hour from my rural abode to shop at a random store 🤷🏻♂️
I gotta disagree with ya here, primarily from a quality standpoint. I stick to (modern and vintage) Shimano or (vintage) Campy depending on the bike. I steer clear of Sram after burning through two derailleurs a year. Never had a Shimano or Campy fail on me.
One way to pick up on this concept is to look at shifter reviews. Notice how a lot of DIYers talk about upgrading their derailleur experience by just upgrading their shifter. There you go.
The shifter is always (always) the most important.
About the rear derailleur: Was it Frank Berto who said that people evaluate bikes the way dogs evaluate other dogs - by sniffing at the rear?
HA! I wish it had been me.
I think you make a strong argument for friction shifting.
My son & I just built a Lemond Road bike with friction shifting with 105 11 speed front and rear derailleurs that run as 2x10 it works great. Analog bikes are about DIY as it it gets. It's about having fun & enjoying your bike. Who cares about the latest and greatest bike stuff.
Thanks for the vid 😊
anything wit h MAVIC stamped on it is solid GOLD
Monday Overdose! Digging the longer vid
Just received an new Acera rear derailleur for my new/first build. I have confidence that this will be just fine. If not I’ve only invested $32 Canadian on Amazon. Keep up the great work. Enjoy your day.
Horrible Rd
Dude! Nice to see you!! Thanks again for the book recommendation…gotta get it this time! Collagen?! Hostage tape?!? You choose your “sponsors” with a random recklessness that one is forced to…not ignore. 🤣. Thanks for your post!!
Thank you! Not sponsors in the traditional sense. Just me experimenting on myself and reporting the findings! 🤙🏽
You do know what they say about those that use themselves as Guinea pigs for new ideas…? Unafraid!
Frame, wheels, handlebar, saddle, cranckset, in correct dimensions for the rider is what matters. And everything with a ball-bearing.
And correct gearing..
Good Brakes are nice to have on road and mountain bikes.. Because you will unfortunately need them at some point.
I came across Microshift Advent 9 speed derailleurs a few years ago. Solid performance for the riding I do. Been using the Advent X 10 speed now because of the wide range. Don't plan on going back to the popular/ racing brands anytime soon.
Also, love all of your content. 🤘🏽
Thanks!
Loved it. Well I’d have to buy a bunch of things to make the drink happen. Luckily I have some Apple Crown and sugar free Red Bull handy (exactly a 50% mix 50/50). That’s a components lesson I definitely needed. Thnx.
I have Breath on hold but read Deep in the meantime. Not sure which came first but I like the writer. Excellent work.
I have one of those big pulley derailers on my Atlantis with 11-36 9 speed & some plastic trigger shifter. Works flawlessly. Cost less than $30. Happy customer.
I tried to read Deep. Made my palms sweat. Had to bail out of it.
@@ThePsychicDerailleur The beginning is pretty hairy but he gets into deep water research & a whole bunch of other things. It's way more than crazy freediving. Read the summary chapter & it may intrigue you into giving it another try.
I built myself a really clean cyclocross bike with a Campagnolo groupset and it's an amazing rider!! That being said, I've got a winter bike build in the folds that draws on last year's riding experience and ties in nicely with what's been put forth here.
I got a cheap used road bike with a nice Tiagra groupset on it and plan on winterising it... First thing to go is the front derailer... I stayed on the small chain ring all of last winter! Ditch the big one!! Next up is downgrading to a cheap disposable rear derailer and pairing it with an equally cheap set of wheels with 6 speed cogs coupled with a friction shifter and there's my winter ride... bullet proof and if anything goes south at the end of the season, Amazon is my friend, I can put the frameset back in road mode with the stored Shimano stuff and ride it until next winter!!
I cannot agree more…
I am lucky. I could ride almost anything and have ridden really high-end stuff. My wife buys me expensive bikes if she likes the color. But once you have ridden and owned the good stuff, you come to realize how good some more budget-oriented stuff is. MicroSHIFT Advent is fabulous. My wife’s Acera derailleur works perfectly. The bike I just finished has Shimano MT200 brakes. They’re not quite as good as my XT brakes, but they’re close.
Will I stop riding my electronic groupsets? No. But when I do ride more basic stuff, I have no issues. Shifts are smooth. Brakes work. I go fast enough.
As far as summer is concerned? We had a very nice break early this week, but as I type, it’s 96F in Memphis. It’ll be hotter tomorrow. Enough.
Amen
The real question I want to know is can a sram transmission derailleur be used with a shimano hg+ cassette and chain 🤔
Doesn’t seem like anyone that has Ttype has thought of or cares to try 😂. The ttype cassettes are expensive!
Don’t know why it wouldn’t but really have no idea
@@ThePsychicDerailleur true. I feel like the jockey and pulley wheels might need to be replaced if you're running a HG+ chain, but eh?
Video was not that dark. I am currently reading Breath on your recommendation. Amazing.
Just wait until you try the new Acera, shimanos mid and low end RDs are rediculously bad. Their 90s low end was fantastic
I think it was MapDec who said that we should pay more attention to frames, bars, and wheels, and less to components. I'm currently running friction 2x10 bar ends, with a rear derailleur and cassette that shouldn't work together, but they do. I miss a shift now and then, and I'm not the fastest guy in my club (although I'm pretty good on a hill), but I'm not a racer... and I think cycling should be affordable, and I'm a proponent of customizing your bike (they ARE modular, aren't they?), and I'm not above enjoying a bit of cycling weirdness. I have one of those Altus derailleurs. It did fine for my 2x9 friction setup, but when I had to go to indexed (don't ask), I had to take it off.
This very idea (rear der doesn't matter) is what hit me first when I heard about the new SRAM Transmission system. I asked myself, "don't people understand shifting, or want to understand shifting? no! they want an automatic transmission that shifts for them, they just don't realize it." Those of us who learned shifting long ago and learned also manual transmissions in autos, we know shifting under power is a dumb idea and understanding the gear change process is important. But people want mindless operation, as if they don't have a brain in their head.
Agree. In part. Most people don’t shift. At all. Transmission, on the other hand, is more about the interface between the frame and derailleur. It does away with the hanger. Which has always been a weak part. Thanks for watching!
@@ThePsychicDerailleur Yes, you're right and I didn't mention that -- mechanically speaking that's the advantage. But internet and in-person chatter from those who aren't mechanics, it's about the "I can shift whenever I like and don't have to let off, pause, etc." I suppose fewer chain breakages will result from those who insist on shifting under full power.
I love the hangerless idea, 10-11-12spd drivetrains are finicky on hanger trueness. Been a while since I snapped a hanger but it doesn't take much to bend one into a shift-fouling state.
i never had a derailleur i wasn't happy with; you might be on to something
Derailleurs are the reason I ride single speed. 😂
Boxing yourself in unfortunately
I’m a little bit hurt that I don’t see my photo on your fridge
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Dang! I wish I watched this before I bought a wireless derailleur for my single speed. 😸 There will always be people looking to spend money for the sake of spending money.
if you purchased a wireless derailleur, you might just be that person you are referencing hehe. enjoy the luxury!
@outrosmakesbloodyears I think you may have missed the joke
@@ThePsychicDerailleur wink wink 😉
yeah - there is a lot of charlatanism going on in consumer advertising: mobile phones, computers, watches, televisions and dare I say it but bicycles as well. The bike is a simple tool and the ride quality is in the frame geometry, wheels and tyres and bar set up. Enjoy your riding.
I'd like to see you and Russ ramble about bike parts together
Have him call me
C'mon, thats the first thing you look at coming up behind someone else on the road... :)
Racing back in the day your self image was dependent on what word was on the rear derailleur... Campagnolo = cool, 105 = squid, Ultegra = cool, Dura Ace / Chorus / Record = i'm awesome...
The Altus 8 speed derailleur on my commuter works flawlessly with Microshift thumb shifters, couldn't be better... Nowadays i don't care anymore who's reading my derailleur. :)
Give all the credit to the FRONT derailleur💪💪 before they are all gone and we are stuck with 1X and battery powered 💩
What’s a front derailleur?
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@@ThePsychicDerailleur😂😂
@@ThePsychicDerailleuron a side note…..are you able to order a 58cm disc trucker from Surly? I’m in central Florida but originally from Sarasota and interested in buying one so thought I’d inquire with you before driving an hour from my rural abode to shop at a random store 🤷🏻♂️
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I gotta disagree with ya here, primarily from a quality standpoint. I stick to (modern and vintage) Shimano or (vintage) Campy depending on the bike. I steer clear of Sram after burning through two derailleurs a year. Never had a Shimano or Campy fail on me.
Disagreement is obviously a ok. It sounds like you get a lot more rad than me. I’ve never had one from any company fail on me.
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