"ITS A DIRTY GAME!!!" Q TIP EXPLAINS HOW RECORD COMPANIES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NEW ARTIST..(MUST SEE)
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we need to support these kind of platforms Qtip is a legend!
Please do! Other site are stealing our clips and not crediting the show. We are fighting to change this but in the meanwhile please #MyexpertOpinion on anything you see like this or send me the link. Thanks guys!
@MATH HOFFA say no more bro.
Q-Tip just has great conscientiousness to do people right but life in this evil world isn’t fair so dude is right knowing what you are worth and negotiating a great deal is what you need to know how to do.
The conversations on this platform be so real. It almost feels like I be in the room in one of those chairs.
We need to soak in all the knowlege we can get from the hip hop pioneers while they still here. This man has done too much for what we now call the culture when it was just getting started. The influence is heavy on so many artist that followed. Then just the fact he was a part of the team that crafted Nas' Illmatic would be enough but from tribe to his solos to his behind the scenes work I'm still learning about now.
Haven't checked in for a bit. Saw Q-Tip and had to click. Dope that the guest isn't getting interrupted every 45 seconds. Brothers came to listen. 👍
Q-TIP. I love you brother. Fair and Rational #MathHoffa #QTip
Math keep these episodes coming. Hadn't seen Q-Tip in years like some of your other guest. Salute to Math!
Why did you not see him sir? So sad!
@@TheFlite29 Close your mouth
I wish I heard this conversation when I was younger! So much wisdom. Thank you for dropping these gemstones
My very 1st time ever viewing this...and I stumbled up on it just simply scrolling.(Q-Tip's head shot helped as well) I think I'm hooked now. Don't plan on ever being an artist, but this is very informative.
Blessings!!!!👏🏿👏🏿
Q-tip said it should be fair it should be..... that's a fact it should be fair. Of course through knowledge and degrees and time we see the industry has not been Fair.BUT IT SHOULD BE..... DAMN
This is a fantastic exchange between brothers & quite inciteful!!!🎆🎆🎆
MATH!!! You're on to something! Stay tough and humble! Do it for all of us! Under God's grace and mercy
GOD'S GRACE... IN GODS NAME WE PRAY 🙏🏾 AMEN
Hoffa replaced Vlad tv thank you god 🙏🏾we needed real insight in our community
An enterprising accounting firm should offer artist the staff and ability to audit anyone
A lot of wisdom in that room very intelligent young men
Salute , brother for allowing the wisdom !
Beside the discussion, what i see are some intelligent black brothers!! Pass the knowledge gentlemen!!
Thank you! Very much needed conversation!
Man...Q-Tip bringing them words. Interesting topic. I think artists should see themselves as a business. But they have to be taught that. Do you have the whole video with Q-Tip up?
Exactly!!! How can someone know something they don’t know? Teach them and that excludes the shady part.
Great conversations Brothas. Real estate is just like that,you have to read those contacts, lawyer up, The sharks are trying to cheat the homeowners.
Love the content guys! But the audio is spotty… but I LOVE THE KNOWLEDGE you brothers kicking!!!
This conversation that they are having is the reason the business is falling apart. If you are not knowledgeable of the contracts, and business dealings. NWA is the perfect example, rappers should definitely get legal advice Before signing anything
You also have to put in perspective not where an individual grew up at but also how the label corners these artist. Catch one at his least time with excitement by taking them somewhere and getting them food they never ate or women they never had. Also add expensive alcohol more than likely ganja and a pen and paper and bam they just signed there talent away for pennies and label will make millions.
@@carlosrob6494 That's the trick.....ignorance of the fact you don't know the "trick" does not absolve the person or individual from being tricked because at the end of the day it happened. Its on the individual to INFORM himself whether he was ignorant of the trickery, or knew but looked the other way. Business NEVER is fair, they sought to CAPITALIZE on the INVESTMENT in a cultural expression. Now a cultural expression does not represent the TOTALITY of culture but rather a business arrangement to extract profit from it. The label always will have the leverage in that situation because the CAPITAL is on their side and helps to project you to the masses. The great thing today is that rappers can prove their worth in the marketplace without a LABEL, but the sacrifice is NOT possibly being EXPOSED on a major level and/or making as much upfront bread. But how much sweat equity are you willing to put up for that SUCCESS!!!
All day night I can hear the Hiphop stories Q-tip still fine!
Gay!!!
I waz thinking the same, gay?????
@@chillz4902 how is it gay ?
@@flippinggenre jus sumut a woman wud say!!! if yor a woman my apologies🤣🤣🤣
@@chillz4902 bruhhh just because I said Qtip still fine and yeah I’m a women 🤣🤣
The dude with the dreads that sitting next to math he just proved a lot of points about being shady and all that in the industry he didn't even got to say much I can read between the lines something off about him
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Great content bc they are both educated!
This was good I needed this topic to be longer
Industry rule number 4080
I'm a 90's baby man,love hearing bout back in da day!😂 S/O Uncle Q yo,Dame Dolla got him on a heavy track😤💯🍻🍺
This show stomps on drink Champs period i love this show salute to Matthoffa
Not if you’re on the subject of Illuminati and/or sellouts 😂💯
It's not even the same format...its just barbershop talk...its no need to even compare these two...
I’m seeing a pattern with the streaky beard dude
one thing i wanna know is why are these shady business tactics SO prevalent in hip hop and with black artists. u rarely hear about a pop star or a country artist getting jerked by their record label
Because white record execs knew they could take advantage of poor black kids, until those kids grew up created their own labels and continued the cycle instead of breaking it. It happens to pop and country too but most of them conform because of the lifestyle.
That's false ... Lincoln park got ripped off and so did bands like incubus. Just because you dont hear about it doesn't mean it isnt happening. They screw over everybody
Imagine a guppie in a big ass ocean full of sharks thinking he’s going to get fair treatment. Good luck with that. If you’re not a shark, the industry isn’t for you. Might wanna find a safer place to swim
But you can be a dolphin and finesse the sharks by reading their game plans in their books, about laws and contracts amd how to copyr8ght and protect yourself and ownership of your craft. Even making sure you just signing distribution only deals etcetera...
@@Xman_Taurus in that case you would be a dolphin thinking like a shark. But I agree. Either way you can’t enter it assuming they will be nice to you just because you’re nice
Ever see those smaller fish ride on a sharks back? Your lawyer is the real shark! Guppies are too small to navigate all the pitfalls. Some lawyers are just guppies pretending to be sharks. Take time to find a shark and you good money.
Then give it enough time and you'll eventually create a megaladon that will eat whatever is in front of it for any reason. That's when the business guys want to bring up rules and fairness. It's just one bug carnival under the sea.
Business should always be Fair
"record company people are shadyyy, so kids watch your back cause I think they smoke crack, I don't doubt it, look at how they act" - Q Tip
Thats not always business, I asked a price for my roofer at the end we both felt the price was good, neither one of us got the upper hand, we both came out happy
If I forget to close my window prior yo going out and someone comes in through the window and stole my TV then that person is rightfully termed a thief. Granted, I should have been much more careful in making sure my window was shut but it does not take away that the act committed against me is thievery. Saying it is acceptable to steal because the other party do not know any better is excusing the wrongdoer and blame the victim.
That's some twisted logic!
I think a major problem with the business….is dude saying “business has nothing to do with being fair”. THAT mentality is a problem.
I'm sorry but we live in the age of information and artists have been getting jerked for decades now. If you decide to do business with a label, you have to know they're out to screw you. Common sense would tell me that I should negotiate from a position that these people are trying to take advantage of me. Or you go independent, grind for a while and cut out the industry completely. That being said, I can't feel bad for new artists that decide to get involved with a major label. It's like the saying goes if you lie down with dogs, you'll wake up with fleas.
Facts 💯
The labels never lose, they run radio and streaming.
Only certain established Superstars can gain control of their art by owning their masters and publishing, the majority other stars rely on shows, merchandise, and touring to monetize their work.
It's crazy.
That dude with dreads and glasses is such an industry advocate. He’s the reason Hip Hop is shitty today.
Absolutely
What’s his name?
TBH I think he is being a realist....you can't expect any business entity to reflect the total essence of a cultural expression. IMO no medium can truly do it. Hip-Hop culture lives with the people and expressed everyday, that's not the same as the rap business. In the industry you got to handle business to get your worth out of it. Hip-Hop culture and rap business are two different things. That has gotten lost because people equate Hip-Hop with Rap.
Nawwww what he is doing is giving the mindset of a money hungry business man. And only adding fuel to the fire, that is destroying one genre of music. Which the end result is the same, non creative artists with awful music. The truth is these labels can't afford real artists even with all the money they acquire.
@@rawfoota9386 but you don't need a label to be successful in music but you need the label to become a star. It's a difference today especially with the internet
it almost sounds like Q-tip didn't learn his lesson, of course business has a culture, browse any business bookstore aisle and you can see that, there is a philosophy by a small minority in business that you don't have to be cutthroat, you can be fair, but the majority definitely don't operate by that belief. Anyway, Q-tips tip to perform an audit of your record company is something I've never heard before in that industry so that was a great tip, you better be a money maker though, cause they're not gonna like that lol
The dread with the glasses just made every businessman seem wack as hell! Q tip is right! You are supposed to believe things are going to be fair in business!
This is more an issue of morality than of fairness. Of which the industry has none.
Is business ever really fair? The business between a consumer and manufacture is only as fair as, I purchase a product and I get the service from said product but in reality 9/10 you are paying a lot more for a product then it’s actually worth. Nike shoes aren’t really worth $200 to manufacture yet the consumer is purchasing it for 5x it’s mark up. Hypothetically, that’s not “fair” but that’s business and no one is forcing you to participate.
@@4theloveoffashion959 Yeah. You never hear people talk about that! Artist screw managers, agents , producers, VENUES! Then when their lil minute is over and career has turned to dust they whine on RUclips
Circa 2003, A speech/debate team professor informed us it cost $four dollars to make Jordans. And the pay the workers $twenty-five cents a DAY to work from dusk till dawn and many of them children!!!
It's Business.
I think that's a great point but in some terms their has to be a fairness. If not then the ability to get compensation for being cheated in some way would not be possible if their wasn't any fairness to be expected at all. I think with anything it is susceptible to corruption and the unfairness is made due to those that are willing to corrupt. It also involves law and the system of the law is not fair in total but again that is corrupt due to the actors that created the laws and the inevitable flaw due to not all variables can be accounted for due to the fact that not all variables are present during the inception of the laws
It's now that the value of the brand is what people are willing to spend too much for. Marketing is just very emotionally influential nowadays.
Sums this whole conversation up “you don’t get what you deserve you get what you negotiate” I saw so many artist in the 90’s sign bullshit contracts and blame the labels after they flopped, your coming with nothing and proved nothing yet and coming to the labels with the money, somebody going to get screwed over, you have to be responsible for your career at some point
Personally I think business was fair in the beginnings and somewhere along the line one person said I want more and started the underhand tactics of today. Then everybody followed and now its known as common business practices. Which in turn says why would I do business with anyone or anything if I know you're going to short me.
I agree. Hip-Hop records labels started to adopt a more corporate tone around the mid to late 90's. At that time, Hip-Hop was starting to generate millions annually (look at labels like No-Limit, Bad Boy Entertainment).
The music business has never been fair since the Motown years of exploitating blues, rock, and early pop stars.
It was those same music executives and labels that started pushing hip-hop once it proved to be the new wave and most profitable music genre. They rob these artistes blind and make it a way that exploitation is now the expected norm, easily tagged as "paying your dues" which is downright evil because there's enough money to be made in all fairness.
They cornered the distribution game since they got in bed with these streaming services(Spotify, Apple, and so) running Playlists and ensuring they never lose in any sales war by controlling sales/radio, who even determines than 1500 streams is equivalent to 1 hard copy sales metrics ? They keep switching it and don't even account for radio completely dominated by the majors, payola is the norm and therein lies "marketing budget" to get spins but the industry makes it hush-hush because it's illegal.
Such a vibrant thang i love these guys
I’m going to watch the entire interview before I make my full observation. However, I’m not feeling someone (dude in dreads) who has never done what the guest(QTip) has done, trying to tell said guest what something is or isn’t. QTip repeatedly told buddy that it’s not culture and dude kept saying it is.
He’s wrong. Business IS business. However, the MUSIC BUSINESS is it’s own standalone entity. No other business model is able to get away with what the music business does. You can’t even sue your way out of a music business deal. There are no lawyers that truly understand music contracts. It’s crazy. EVERYONE gets raped. E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E!!! Like the lox said, once you sign you can not escape the rape
Dude in dreads thinks the music business is like any other business. He has no clue yet is over talking someone who has gotten raped by the industry. I hope the entire interview isn’t like this segment. I’ll get back later ✌️
Right? I really don’t like people like him. Get a little education and maybe do a few mid size business deals and now you’re an expert on all things business. And QTip was acknowledging that the way things are aren’t the way they should be. Ole buddy was saying the old “well that’s just the way it is….” Which isn’t helping anyone.
Any video where that dude starts to talk he just shows how much he doesn't know.
I agree with you, but using the r word is a bit much. I'm surprised RUclips didn't ban the comment.
Mecca, dude wit dreads, very knowledgeable in da music business. Managed plenty of artists and did some A&R also... both sides have good point. Mec speaking from managing standpoint, Q tip from artists... Can't mix business and emotions
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Companies should be fair to their employees. But, there are companies that exploit their employees. Stay woke.
Said it before and I'll say it again best interview ever
The music business has never been fair since the Motown years of exploitating blues, rock, and early pop stars.
It was those same music executives and labels that started pushing hip-hop once it proved to be the new wave and most profitable music genre. They rob these artistes blind and make it a way that exploitation is now the expected norm, easily tagged as "paying your dues" which is downright evil because there's enough money to be made in all fairness.
They cornered the distribution game since they got in bed with these streaming services(Spotify, Apple, and so) running Playlists and ensuring they never lose in any sales war by controlling sales/radio, who even determines than 1500 streams is equivalent to 1 hard copy sales metrics ? They keep switching it and don't even account for radio completely dominated by the majors, payola is the norm and therein lies "marketing budget" to get spins but the industry makes it hush-hush because it's illegal.
It's NOT a fair exchange, because its CAPITALISM and there lies the problem.
Blessings to this show. Something also relatable. Tired of Being Broke by Nu Man Fatin
All the elder experienced artists should get together with legal counsel & form/become a union that new artists should have behind them so the they are not taken advantage of by unfair industry practices.
Great debate
I have to say thanks to QTip for that odb story i had no clue people out that way used that word lmao i loved it i couldnt stop laughing i can picture him saying that and the crowed goin apeshit..much love
Business is two or more parties coming to an agreement with knowledge of terms. Robbery is never fair exchange.
And that’s always the problem only person (the label) usually has knowledge of terms
AUDIT💯
labels don't care about you...so you gotta care about you...pay for lawyer and audit to the max
no that culture is the culture of capitalism, like Tip said
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There actually is a Musician’s Union, there are different chapters in different cities. I don’t know of any rappers who are in the Musician’s Union, but I doubt they would turn away rappers if they want to join, and most of all are willing to pay union dues and fees.
What might be even better would be maybe a rappers union or general hip-hop union maybe similar to the Screen Actors Guild (the musician’s union mostly deals with music performance, SAG is more comprehensive). I think one of the major issues that maybe has stopped rappers from unionizing, is that a union would completely go against the interests of major labels. major labels just like any other large corporation are more than likely completely opposed, and would probably do everything possible to stop even the thought of unionizing.
Not to mention unionizing is in a effect "collectively bargaining" on behalf of all rappers. Most rappers are basically "independent contractors" to extent. Would they come together to have a representive represent their interest. IDK, some probably would do a deal with a major and take that upfront money over a collective effort for less paper but better potential long term bread. It's a sacrifice for sure tho!!!
Yeah, I agree most rappers would probably take the upfront advance labels offer rather than enter a into a collective bargaining agreement with a union, and have to pay union dues.
Unions can still represent independent contractors most musicians in the musicians union are independent contractors, except for maybe the musicians on Broadway, SNL band, etc…. there is a minimum that has to be paid no matter what, but the SNL band isn’t being paid what the band in the local coffee shop is, there’s room to negotiate, but through the union.
May not even be a possibility, but I think ideally rappers would be able to be signed to major, or independent labels, and have a union behind them. Not tryna promote unions in any sense they’re not perfect, but unions could also help rappers with health care, a pension, unemployment etc… if they get dropped from a label shelved, royalties, show money dries up, or whatever.
Perfect example why we as a people lose. Business is not fair. Life is not fair.
Jermaine Dupri - This lil game we play
AUDIT !!!
If black dudes could hold EVERYONE else accountable like they do Black Dudes boy.
Prince (The Artist)said the Music business is the worst ,you just can't blame the artist , the people that know better but don't do better are the perpetual predators of the eager willing just trying to do something they love!
Q tip check this dude
To many weirdos think like this no its not fair and it hasnt been but things change and its time to make then change you apply excuses that allow them to keep doing this
Dudes think they been saying something this this tainted low bar ideal
"ITZ A VERY FINE LINE IN BUSINESS AS A WHOLE IN ANY ARENA","FAIR HAS 2 EXIST IN SOME REGARDS"!
If a major label.Invests in you.When your nobody. You're not getting a fair deal. It's somewhat different now with.The invention of social media. You can build a name.Before even coming to a label. Back then you needed a label.
The idea that business deals shouldn't strive to be fair and each side should be protecting themselves from being taken advantage of is an opinion its not fact... good business is where both parties generate additional value from the deal. I agree with Q-Tip...
The guy with the dreads are speaking reality
There's good business (fair), and there's bad business (unfair)...
Maaaaan, most people that get involved in entertainment, specifically music are teenagers. What the hell would they know about contract law. The language of law is designed to be confusing. Most adults can’t understand a contract without some assistance.
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good convo
This looks like a barber shop I used to go to on Linden Blvd in Queens...wyall at?
I don’t think these guys should actually be talking to real absolute legends like it makes them look worse to be up there trying to keep up with guys like
q-tip. That dread guy literally made me so mad I don’t think I can watch this shit anymore.
The Illusion For The Conclusion
-Music Industry
GOOD BUSINESS IS FAIR EXCHANGE PERIOD!!!!!!
Industry rule #4080 Record company people are shady - Qtip
Did Q Tip just saying something that Ye just stated happens to artist. Becareful Math! 🤣
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I agree with Tip on this but idealism in business isn’t going to work for you unless you run your own business (independent).
The long and short of it is we let the majors take care of the business and the independents faded away…..we lost control of business that could’ve been congruent with the culture.
History has shown us that independent is the way forward.
To an extent, but let's be real too....Most artist ain't got the bread all the time to invest in themselves. How many folks are willing to put in the SWEAT EQUITY to handle all the affairs that a LABEL tradtionally will do. From marketing, to promotions, to studio time, etc. all that COST. And PR teams to expose you to millions. It's a literal machine against your 5-10 man operation. Independence is great, but its a sacrifice. And that sacrifice comes at a cost, no one is exempt!!! Even Tech Nine type had to put that 10 years of work to establish his quality fanbase, touring 9 months a yr, a strict touring schedule, showing up on time, spending that time with a fanbase to gain supporters. IT's WORK!! While investing the same money you made back into yourself and your music. This is before you even see a PROFIT!!!
The music business is ripping off unknowledgeable people making them Stars making money off of them until they wise up. Point Blank
The dread got a point. You guys got it wrong. He is telling him the harsh reality, that is considered norm and how one should be prepared. No whinning bullshit!
That’s pretty much all contracts. We are supposed to know better. Peace Love and Light
How many contracts have the word "fair" in them? 🤔
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There was and has been a music union for the longest. It is just they dont know. I signed my deal and the first thing mentioned was join the union. They tell you to join, and legal services are free through the union.
HEAT!!!
That's BS..I hate when someone throws business into the conversation, it's all kinds of business....Mediocre business, very bad business, and Great business....Which one are You....and that's FACTUAL 💯
Fair treatment comes through the lawyer on behalf of the artist. It’s the contract that seals the deal. Conveying that to hungry desperate new black artist is damn near impossible. White artist do not have the same issue. Oh what? You thought it was the same? Where you been.
That's operating under the assumption that they lawyer is negotiating in his clients best interest. But as we have seen sometimes those lawyers don't do that, hence why the recommendation is to get outside legal counsel. But it's a tricky game and one that you have to navigate.
@@jman1562001 Agreed! Back in the day it was improper for a lawyer to get the absolute best deal for his artist unless you were a white act. I could go way deeper with that one. I am surprised that artist are signing crappier deals in 2021 than they were in 1990 with all these black lawyers. But then again why am I surprised.
@@unc1589 do black lawyers look out for r artist tho.....I remember rip 🙏 combat jack being an entertainment lawyer who negotiatied a bad deal for n.o.r.e in the 90s. Is there a lack of trust factor involved 🤔. More times then not it depends it seems. The label fronts a lot of bread and got the machine to expose you. Independent can keep more of the future profit but have way less upfront bread and half to put way more work in.
“Yall cant make money with the artist” i used to think that way but now i see labels can make their own artists no talent needed.
Business is not Culture.
I know for a fact like we talked about earlier with the ego I look at my confidence I know I can rap and I can rap better than half of the dudes that been out and out now but too intelligent to fall for the okie-doke
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The silliest thing said was the nature of of every business is shady, cutthroat etc..NO it's no t, what this dude is describing is a Western European mindset that rooted culturally and can be observed in all aspects of life outside of business. Doing business on a daily basis out here is typically not what goes on in the 🎵 industry or as described... There are always going to be people looking to take advantage of someone but I can't remember doing business where people put together contracts looking to cheat me as described by some musicians.
The covert cheating clauses in music contracts are there. Making artist cover 10% for damaged records during shipping. Paying TLC $seven cents per sale! Determining that 4K+ views is equivalent to one album purchase! That's criminal! The recording and film Industries are Manuals are written on this stuff, eg. Songwriter/Producer Kashif (RIP) wrote a handful of guides on publishing, A&R, etc. Williams & Kravilasky _This Business of Music_ .
He asked shouldnt it be fair ? He said no ... see ... this is why I just cant with people. Its selfish.