Thanks for stopping by our SANY booth! We are very proud who we are, what we offer, and our 5 year/5000hr warranty on dirt products. Glad you enjoyed our booth!
"Thanks for stopping by our SANY booth! We are very proud who we are, what we offer, and our 5 year/5000hr warranty on dirt products". That warranty is INSANE. That is good protection for the people that buy your equipment.
Guy standing on the stairs guarding the volvo excavator in his aussie hat has a hard job. If the government wasn't pushing for this electric garbage it would never exist. The world will eat up the exhaust we create and humans will be long gone without earth batting an eye.
I have also followed hydrogen as an alternate fuel for a long time. I too think electric is the wrong path, especially since we will need to build more generating plants that will pollute even with nuclear. Governments are on a popularity road without thinking it thru. I’m afraid that we will be stuck with electric until the downside becomes apparent about the costs of those ill informed.
I just posted something about this and yah know it’s funny the us has some of the lowest emissions you know where the issue with the human carbon foot print comes from….overseas India china so fourth and so on Id hate to see us screw our selves trying to solve someone else’s problem
Stan, always a good and honest review of new machines out there. Great job and thank you for pointing out the good, the bad and the very ugly in the industry.
I prefer an overhead door myself. And although I don't think the new Manitou system is a great option, and that crease in the middle would be annoying, I would still rather have it than a swing out door that I have no choice but to keep closed.
Hey Stan. I enjoyed your review. As one of your three female followers. I will tell you I am mostly housebound and old and you give me an insight to the world that I don’t normally have. You help me keep my mind active by showing me things that I would not normally see. Please keep up the good work.
Key points for batteries not being ready are: power sources ie many stations on grid using "dirty" power or running on diesel generators and the battery charge/discharge cycles and the rate of power capacity decline over the expected lifetime. Batteries ie energy storage is the future but lithium is capable of all we need.
Thanks for the recap of your experience regarding wins and fails. I went to ConExpo specifically to see the electric equipment and learn more about it. I have a couple of thoughts: A) yes, that machine is 4 hr run time. But there is no run time whenever you are not manipulating the controls. No energy is expended when you're not on the controls. There is no warm up time and cool down time. Nor is there idle time. 2) we are on the cusp of owners/ clients who mandate the use of electric equipment in their bid docs (think national parks, inner city, HOAs). If you're not onboard with electrical equipment, you'll be missing out on entire sectors of work. Hydrogen is not the future of equipment. There is no infrastructure for it nor are the suppliers set up to deliver like a propane truck does.
A Yes, and hydrogen production, storage and transportation will be so inefficient and expensive to produce and use. The future, I believe, is in batteries.
80% of electric equipment will be working inside a building or underground. We all understand the charging downfall but, most of the company’s that are buying electric equipment are buying them in quantity’s. So when 1 needs to be charged they jump on another one that’s fully charged. These are the mining company’s or large demolition company’s or tunnel company’s
I just like how you are so honest about your reviews on not just equipment but all the products. So many of us buy this stuff and get very disappointed with quality. Please keep up your great work
Wow, I can't believe that lady acted like that to you, Stanley. In my opinion, that was unprofessional. I would definitely take GEHI off my list. That fact that they wouldn't even let you see the telehandler was just rude.
Stan, I am anti battery powered vehicles PERIOD, gas and diesel are my favourite...BUT that Hyundai hydrogen powered excavator has me licking my lips, I truly think that hydrogen powered vehicles are the future of mobile equipment and cars, ask Toyota, they are developing this for their cars/ truck. Great video Stan, I truly enjoyed it!
I would have to agree with you. Hydrogen all the way! Only problem with hydrogen cars emitting water everywhere is it would make the roads slick in the winter. haha.
There are huge problems with hydrogen and why it isn't mainstream already. The first problem is where do you get it? Most H2 produced today is made from natural gas. If that is going to be the source you are better off just using the NG directly. The alternative is to use electrolysis to split water into H2 and O2 using electricity. You lose about 30% of the energy in the process. Then you have to compress it to huge pressures to be able to store enough to be useful. That loses another 10-15%. You lose a bunch in the fuel cell, then runa motor that loses 5-10% to run a hydraulic pump that loses a bunch. At the point of the electric motor you only have about 25% of what you started with. The longevity of this equipment is unproven and won't likely last very long. The fuel cells in particular, and they are mega expensive. The tanks are an explosion hazard and H2 is such a small molecule that it seeps thru many solid materials like steel. Which actually weakens the material (search hydrogen embrittlement). If the gas ever leaks, it has a very broad flammability mixture range with air, making it far more likely to ignite that other gases we are familiar with and burns nearly invisibility so you don't see the hazard. And I just saw an article stating it actually makes warming worse. Bottom line, we have to be pretty desperate to really be using it. Currently it isn't doing anything to help the environment due to the poor efficiency and where we get it from.
Really enjoyed your Convention videos since day 1 because you asked the questions just like i would (like to know), Your polite and respectful which is something to be admired. Thanks for all ur videos and don't change. Be safe always!
I very much appreciate how you show the negatives of the products you test. Not many people do that. Hope you week is going well! Mine is! Keep up the great work!
Whatever happened there was shocking and extremely unprofessional. This was an important launch of all these new models for Manitou. If I were a shareholder, I’d want answers immediately. Lots of money went into bringing these new models to market plus the marketing budget to be at Conexpo was likely huge. Sadly it took a lot of effort and money to create that beautiful booth with those shiny new models and it took mere minutes for a few people in the company to put a really big stain on Manitou’s reputation. It’s as simple as this, if you treat people poorly simply for wanting to look at your products, how will you treat them if they become a customer and need something?
To me it seems she didn't want the Manitou rep showing the Gehl equipment, even though it's the same parent compamy, I believe the rep stepped on some toes there. It was very unprofessional though.
@Stanley "Dirt Monkey" Genadek not really so much interesting. Just a given fact. The premise of these existing to reduce emissions makes zero sense. You're still burning coal 🤷♂️. And diesle for that gen set to charge it.
Completely agreed on the door. I keep rags and glass cleaner in equipment so you can see. What's the difference as if you have a big line or scratch on your glasses.
Volvo guy couldn't explain a somewhat decent reason why anyone would need an electric excavator THAT SIZE Jesus the carbon foot print for making that excavator alone vrs what a diesel engine would produce would be what?
I could never work with that line going across the windows. And what if a rock slides in between the two panels as your closing them? Will it chip or break? If the new guy were getting into this machine and didn't understand fully the closing of the door, he or she might get knocked in the face. I say NO !
I've never had rocks get between the panels. And, my machine is muddy.... Often! lol They're pretty thick plexiglass, too. The one pain in the ass part is they get pretty scratched up after hundreds of hours, or so, and sooner if you bounce rocks off of the door alot.
Per the electric excavator, battery technology is advancing very quickly. In a few years, this machine will be able to run 8 hours between charges. The cost of maintenance be much lower than the I.C. powered machine. This machine may not run today as long between charges as a diesel machine does between refuel, but when was the last time you saw an electic motor refuse to start? Have you ever operated one inside a building with poor ventilation?
That door is a disaster, dirt and crud will make it into that split one way or the other ruining the seal probably chipping and cracking not to mention a half way built in fail point so that log can come in much easier😅
The Manitou door would be a dealbreaker for me to buy one, I would lose my mind with that line in the field of vision. Vehicle inspections don't allow for cracks in the driver's field of vision for a reason, and Manitou put one there on purpose. No more whiskey for the engineers there. Thank you for sharing!
Volvo, as good as their equipment is, I'm still reluctant with their whole electric excavator. You hit the nail on the head with everything you said. Only benefit of having electric is to keep noise pollution down. To me it's just a giant waste because my whole argument is where does the resources come from to a: create electricity, and b: where is the resources for these batteries mined. I know everybody wants the "clean energy" but it takes a lot of "dirty energy" to get that. The window on that skid steer, while an impressive design with a folding window, it's impractical. Again, you hit the nail on the head, and I would add this. That seam is right in the operators field of view, so you would need to be looking over or under for doing work. And also, what if you don't get the door latched properly, or the latches fail? Down on your head if you're leaning a little bit forward. It's a true safety hazard. The hydrogen machine is amazing technology, and going back 20-30 years, people have been creating prototypes for supplemental fuel sources for vehicles. It's about time that it's becoming more mainstream.
Great Video Stan. In my opinion, as hydrogen technology gets better, it and hybrids are the best alternatives for industrial equipment. All electric battery power equipment has come a long way, but still has a ways to go before it can fully replace diesel power equipment, especially equipment that runs 10 to 12 hours a day. If you have to wait an hour or more to recharge, that's down time and down time cost money.
I like your contrasting remarks about that door. Stoney Ridge Farmer really likes it because it folds inward, you can get out in an emergency where the loader arm might block the door, or a load shifts against the cab. Or you fall into water with the loader arm up. Totally agree that line would be annoying.
As a skidsteer service company owner for the past 25 plus years and owning Case , John Deere and operating different brands, Ive never really been satisfied with any of the door styles but that Manitou door looks like they put even less thought into it then any other of the manufacturer's .In a day and age when things are focused on visibility and safety they come up with a door that will eventually smash someone in the head ,and cause an operator to become cross eyed trying to focus looking through that poorly thought out obstruction cutting through the middle of the window and through the operators sight line ,Fail !. Keep up the good work Stan, you called it like you saw it.
Hey man- hold on. Make your decision based on the value of the machine, and the support from your service center. DON"T base it off one simple interaction between me & some people we hardly know. I appreciate the support but I want you to make the best decision that will support your efforts. If thats still GEHL please proceed. I like their equipment. I have just struggled trying to connect to find out more on their machines..
That's a big NO on battery powered construction equipment for me. I work all over in remote sites and mountain top sites. So much easier to pack a few 5ers every day to keep the equipment topped than thinking about a towable generator, charging bank, etc. Won't work for me
You nailed this video! I am starting a small business this spring in central Mn. I am going to try and catch up on all your videos. Thanks for your honesty.
That overhead door with the distraction of looking at the bloody line all day is worse than having to rely on an excavator with a 4 hour runtime battery, and no way yet to charge it quickly on site !!
There is NO WAY to recharge a battery pack to run large industrial piece of very heavy equipment in one hour. Period. It takes that long to charge a car, that cant even drive 300 miles on that charge. That entire system is asinine.
I have driven a Mustang(manitou) skid with the split door and it did not bother me at all once i got going, I really appreciated the swing up door where i did not lose headspace. It think its not fair to judge that door so quickly. It's amazing what the brain can learn to ignore.
There are a lot of people on YT doing expos and tool shows and I think they are all very good. However, from a Hunky to a Polack, nobody, I mean nobody does like you do. I love your style and (I am a 71 year old red neck and I have never used this word before) panache. Yes sir you are overloaded with pure panache. - "flamboyant confidence of style or manner". You've got it Brother and we like it when you flaunt it. Art from Ohio
Re fuel cells and the safety of the water: The Space Shuttle had hydrogen fuel cells to supply it electrical power in space, and the water produced went into the crew's drinking water tank.
Hey Stan, thanks for the opportunity of explaining the hydrogen excavator from Hyundai. I agree a 100% I think everyone should be gearing their view more towards hydrogen power rather than battery power. Don’t get me wrong I think there maybe a very small place for battery powered equipment but from a longevity, emission, and economical standpoint I believe hydrogen will be a better option to diesel over a battery power system. I appreciate the time you took to talk with me at the show and I enjoy watching and learning from your channel. Keep up the good work with your honest opinions and reviews! Kaleb from Texas!
I would like Sanytized also :D as far a battery power (I can't speak to equipment), I think it's best use is for fleets with known routes, school busses, transit busses, garbage trucks, and postal trucks among a few. mainly because there really aren't many "unknowns", you know the start time, the finish time, and it will be parked for the night anyway to recharge. those can all be designed to have enough battery power to complete the job. just wanted to put my 2c in on the subject
yes- battery is perfect for those fleets but at the parking station their has to be an ENORMOUS charging station to refuel all those batteries. A milwaukee tools rep explained it best to me. He said that if Disney world switched all their trucks to electric they would have to have a reserve battery (charging station) the size of a 3 story building 75 feet long. NOT POSSIBLE!
I liked the Electric Volvo. It would be great for an individual who has solar panels producing free electricity, maybe on a ranch. Also, if you only need it to work for a few hours on a jobsite and the rest of the time is labor, I can see that as a benefit. A plumber who replaces main sewer line usually only needs to dig for an hour or so and then bury the replaced pipes. If you are someone who needs it to work all day, this may not be a good option. Maybe someone who has to do work at night and can't make a ton of noise would benefit as well. I do understand that it wouldn't benefit you, but you don't have to buy it. I have an electric Nissan Ariya that my wife and I love to drive and we like to plug it in on our driveway and really don't want to go to gas stations if we van avoid them. We also have an F250 gas truck and a Toyota Sienna, which also uses gas. We use the vehicle that best suits our needs on a given day.
I can see the electric equipment working well in indoor situations, like transfer stations for instance. Work 4 hours, charge it on lunch, and head back out to the trash pile. All without that horrible diesel exhaust smell in the building lol.
That by fold door on the tracked skid loader. Nice idea. The application sucks. Yea put a thick door joint smack center of your line of sight. No no no. Plus we all know how much doors on these type machines get abused. I don’t see that idea lasting. To me that would be the deal breaker for a new machine
Windshield is poor design, and VOLVO....WHY!..WHY!...WHY? Have you not heard the saying "go woke and go broke"? Stan, I have been a big fan of hydrogen over electric products. GREAT video as always, Thanks!
Regarding the bifold door. I have good operators on my crew. They still cost me over 5K in broken swing out doors on my Case skidsteer. I just replaced the lower front glass on my Mini Excavator. The operator Paid for that one. Just a reminder, every front windshield on a mini Excavator is bifold. We don't complain about the seam.
I'm not even a contractor and I absolutely love these videos. In my opinion, ANY business not excited to show you their product, is suspect. DirtMonkey would you ever hesitate to show someone your work? Of course not...
What was the opinion of the others that did their reviews? here is my 02 cents: There is a time and place for battery powered. But its not helpful to the majority of us. and this was their big reveal. I am good with them trying to do something but I would like Volvo try and improve most everybody's life. Not a select few that will benefit from battery. Make your overall equipment better, more affordable etc etc. Not give us battery as our big exciting news
What should be considered is the 4 hrs is continuous run time, this is time where the machine is actively being used so it can be on for more than 4 hrs ie no input into the sticks or pedals then it will essentially throttle down to point of not using any battery vs a regular machine would be using fuel the whole time. This is covered more in depth on Dirt Perfect channel.
In regards of sany. I wouldn't drop that kind of coin given our current trajectory with the PRC. You can get parts now but if things go south it'll be difficult.
@@Dirtmonkey well i've been waiting for a part from cat for a telehandler for over a year now- so i'm not coming at this from a fanboy perspective. I'm guessing cat's problem for me is because or brexit or covid (it's a british part) that said Sany operates in a county where if they do something as simple a piss off Emperor Xi they can be shut down over night. The richest man in China (alibaba's jack ma) is currently hiding in Japan because he said he wanted China to be "more open" and they knocked him off his pedestal pretty quickly. It's how it is and I personally don't want to invest the kind of $$ big iron cost with the risk of it becoming a paper weight because someone buys a winnie-the-pooh t-shirt. My grandfather made that mistake back in the day buying some eastern euopean stuff for the farm. no parts = no fun
EV in heavy equipment is new, it's going to take a while of research, development and testing before it can replace all use cases of excavators. I think it's impressive, good start!
I like the full hybrid models, there seems to be minimal down time when compared to the full battery options. My question would be how self-serviceable are they? And how is the company with things like right-to-repair? Thank you for the videos and the information you provide in them.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas and videos. If ecology is your high point please don’t forget, hydrogen is only a energy storage medium, you need to start with something else and add energy to make it. Most is made from natural gas and the co2 is vented at the production plant. It can be made from water but it takes a lot of electricity ie. Not very efficient. And the electricity has to come from somewhere. Batteries aren’t much better since the current technology use a large amount of mined materials with the overhead of the waste from mining in addition to the electricity production. The nice thing that they both have in common is once you have electricity on sight the remainder of the excavator is exactly the same. And the hidden benefits of that style is no idling under power. You may run a diesel machine for 8hrs a day, but how much of that is just sitting there waiting on the operator or others. This type of machine goes into low power standby in moments and is ready to go in an instant. Rather than picking one over the other I would gladly embrace both styles. And with a onsite charging solution a battery machine could be easily topped off during the operators lunch break. And be recharged overnight from the grid with off peak energy rates. Thinking thunder trailer with electrons to go instead of liquid hydro carbon. BTW you ever listen to the word hydrocarbon, it’s there in the name hydrogen-carbon. Your diesel is already a hydrogen machine. 😂 it’s just linked with carbon by nature. Wishing you and your family the best, always find your videos interesting and entertaining. Love to see the stuffed shirts run when they see you coming. BTW, the line in the front door was bothering me and I was watching it on a tiny phone screen. They need to take the lead from the flexible phone screen industry and make it a roll up like a garage door.
Let's b realistic. The manitu door will b several thousand to replace and it's way over complicated. To many moving parts. Plus little peddles will build up in the groove. The kubota door is tried and true tech that hasn't really changed in 20 or more years. (Just a modified excavator door). I will say the big downside to the kubota door is DO NOT LOCK IT IN THE WINTER. mine always froze. Lol
All these electric people don't understand the faster you charge a battery. The faster you discharge your battery and the shorter that battery. Is? Life. The? Slower you charge it the longer that battery will last and the longer that charge will last
I don't run equipment for a living but that line across the windshield in the Manitou/Gehl would drive me insane operating that machine all day. Why can't they just put a roll up door on it like a Kubota or a Takeuchi I wonder?
nobody in construction/landscaping cares about carbon footprints lmao. what a crock of marketing bs. they dont wanna talk about the carbon footprint, the enviromental impact, and the ethics behind making those batteries they preach about
There's actually a lot of really good uses for electric equipment indoor spaces mining. Especially working in downtown environments, demolition jobs or jobs where so much dust is created it's hard to run the equipment that needs air. And yes it can be more environmentally friendly to use batteries to machine is operating enough
Also yard environments would do extremely well with these kinds of equipment. 4hrs continuous run could be a full day intermittent easily. Notice he was saying these are not meant to replace an excavator that just gets dropped in a field. The real question is how much further does the tech need to develop before mass adoption takes off. If they cut that charging time from 1hr to a 30 min lunch break, it'll be really compelling. And the way these tech things advance that could be next year or the year after.
I think several things got missed in the discussion about electric power. The dramatic drop in maintenance and cost savings cannot be understated. The four hour time quoted is for non-stop use. The one hour charge is once, you can go home and let it charge overnight. “If” and only “if” hydrogen ever becomes commercialized it can instead be used to power an on-site generator to generate electricity for charging all the plug in equipment people have bought waiting for hydrogen to ever come to market. By then batteries will last an eight hour shift. The hydrogen equipment maker was quoted in a recent trade mag that it was a costly proof of concept with no plans to sell. The concept is being sent to shows to drum up interest like a concept car (to also recover and justify some of the development costs). It will come down to total cost of ownership and electric will always win.
A complete stain on Manitou's image created by those ladies representing the company. You can hear clear as day the first one say "did you handle it?" Before realizing Stan was following him and giving the stink eye followed by a groan. Equipment quality aside, I can't believe they have the audacity to openly display their products at the expo then literally gatekeep who is worthy of having their spokesman showcase their products IN THE MIDDLE OF HIM PRESENTING. Bad form.
I have a 2020 f350 with the 6.7 I do over 30k mi a year . Only issue was a def heater (which happened in august) so it wasn’t a problem. I totally get the gas/diesel debate. Personally if I were you’d upgrade the fleet to fords 6.7s . They are tried and true . Get great mpgs and the power is second to none
Hydrogen seems like the way to go I was going to put Hydrogen in my 92 Cherokee but I was to afraid to lol. But there are many videos on it and all the guys that added Hydrogen said they were getting ridiculously low gas mileage so yeah I would have to go with Hydrogen Thanks for sharing Stanley 😁👍
@@Dirtmonkey Yeah it's a HHO generator they sell them on Amazon=( Fuel Saving Kit HHO DC3000 for Cars) I just watched a review on it by a reputable RUclipsr and apparently it doesn't do anything in that configuration set up. When I wanted to do it years ago it was just a thing on RUclips people were rigging up with Mason jars and fish tank hose which is why I was skeptical about doing lol.
Hell no on the overhead door, to many things that could go wrong. Say if EMT’s had to extract a person that was unconscious and slumped over on that door. Plus if the machine had structural damage and wouldn’t open laying on its side. It would suck to burn to death because of a jammed door
That door is a major no. It lowers the height of the overhead storage also, if bang my head every time I enter or exit at my height. And in an emergency to vacate the machine, No I don’t want it pushing into my face.
I don't get the whole electric craze. Exactly what you said about the charging aspect of it. Then you add the cold to it and the electric cars can't even survive a winter. Electric construction equipment is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in 2023 so far!
@@Dirtmonkey Yes home owners and start up companies (your 16 year olds just starting a business around the subdivision) battery machines are great for!
People may not like what I'm going to say but it's the perfect saying,"If you want to make money you have to spend money, and eventually you will start saving money after you initially spend the original money
8:14 also, most Asian, European, etc companies will have some kind of support or factory building and servicing the products being made, right here in USA and other countries for “ease of access”. As makes sense
Yeah that door is dumb. Happy to see the conexpo vids coming out. Happy i ran into you at the expo. Stan thanks for taking the time to talk quick and thanks for the picture. It made my day!
Thanks for stopping by our SANY booth! We are very proud who we are, what we offer, and our 5 year/5000hr warranty on dirt products. Glad you enjoyed our booth!
"Thanks for stopping by our SANY booth! We are very proud who we are, what we offer, and our 5 year/5000hr warranty on dirt products". That warranty is INSANE. That is good protection for the people that buy your equipment.
Guy standing on the stairs guarding the volvo excavator in his aussie hat has a hard job. If the government wasn't pushing for this electric garbage it would never exist. The world will eat up the exhaust we create and humans will be long gone without earth batting an eye.
I think he was an engineer?
I have also followed hydrogen as an alternate fuel for a long time. I too think electric is the wrong path, especially since we will need to build more generating plants that will pollute even with nuclear. Governments are on a popularity road without thinking it thru. I’m afraid that we will be stuck with electric until the downside becomes apparent about the costs of those ill informed.
@Dennis Palmer Ballard on BC was on track for hydrogen, then suddenly toxic lithium mines took precedence and batteries got funding over H
I just posted something about this and yah know it’s funny the us has some of the lowest emissions you know where the issue with the human carbon foot print comes from….overseas India china so fourth and so on Id hate to see us screw our selves trying to solve someone else’s problem
@@dennispalmer6007 JCB has chosen the right path with hydrogen engines, look up 'JCB hydrogen', the Harry's Farm video is super interesting.
Stan, always a good and honest review of new machines out there. Great job and thank you for pointing out the good, the bad and the very ugly in the industry.
Thank you sir!👍
Stan it’s so nice to see someone that’s not scared to ask the tough questions! Thanks buddy!
I try. Thanks or the encouragement👊
I prefer an overhead door myself. And although I don't think the new Manitou system is a great option, and that crease in the middle would be annoying, I would still rather have it than a swing out door that I have no choice but to keep closed.
Hey Stan. I enjoyed your review. As one of your three female followers. I will tell you I am mostly housebound and old and you give me an insight to the world that I don’t normally have. You help me keep my mind active by showing me things that I would not normally see. Please keep up the good work.
Donna, thank you so much for watching and being part of my crew. Its awesome to know your there. Much appreciated
Stan, when you talk batteries, you want to ask how many time you can recharge before they fail.
I will start. Good point
Key points for batteries not being ready are: power sources ie many stations on grid using "dirty" power or running on diesel generators and the battery charge/discharge cycles and the rate of power capacity decline over the expected lifetime.
Batteries ie energy storage is the future but lithium is capable of all we need.
24:44 " I work in dirt....," THAT was funny! I like the impromptu one-liners you come up with in your vids Stan.
Kubota #1 door 💪
Yep- Love the overhead door.
Thanks for the recap of your experience regarding wins and fails. I went to ConExpo specifically to see the electric equipment and learn more about it. I have a couple of thoughts: A) yes, that machine is 4 hr run time. But there is no run time whenever you are not manipulating the controls. No energy is expended when you're not on the controls. There is no warm up time and cool down time. Nor is there idle time. 2) we are on the cusp of owners/ clients who mandate the use of electric equipment in their bid docs (think national parks, inner city, HOAs). If you're not onboard with electrical equipment, you'll be missing out on entire sectors of work.
Hydrogen is not the future of equipment. There is no infrastructure for it nor are the suppliers set up to deliver like a propane truck does.
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Yes, and hydrogen production, storage and transportation will be so inefficient and expensive to produce and use. The future, I believe, is in batteries.
80% of electric equipment will be working inside a building or underground. We all understand the charging downfall but, most of the company’s that are buying electric equipment are buying them in quantity’s. So when 1 needs to be charged they jump on another one that’s fully charged. These are the mining company’s or large demolition company’s or tunnel company’s
That makes sense in that application.
I just like how you are so honest about your reviews on not just equipment but all the products. So many of us buy this stuff and get very disappointed with quality. Please keep up your great work
Thank you🙏
Wow, I can't believe that lady acted like that to you, Stanley. In my opinion, that was unprofessional. I would definitely take GEHI off my list. That fact that they wouldn't even let you see the telehandler was just rude.
Stan, I am anti battery powered vehicles PERIOD, gas and diesel are my favourite...BUT that Hyundai hydrogen powered excavator has me licking my lips, I truly think that hydrogen powered vehicles are the future of mobile equipment and cars, ask Toyota, they are developing this for their cars/ truck. Great video Stan, I truly enjoyed it!
I would have to agree with you. Hydrogen all the way! Only problem with hydrogen cars emitting water everywhere is it would make the roads slick in the winter. haha.
@@Dirtmonkey Stan funny car won’t run my tail pipe frozen with icicles
@Stanley "Dirt Monkey" Genadek as far as I know for hydrogen cars, there is a button you have to push to release the water.
@@Dirtmonkey I think that You and I are use to slippery roads, so no problem there.
There are huge problems with hydrogen and why it isn't mainstream already. The first problem is where do you get it? Most H2 produced today is made from natural gas. If that is going to be the source you are better off just using the NG directly. The alternative is to use electrolysis to split water into H2 and O2 using electricity. You lose about 30% of the energy in the process. Then you have to compress it to huge pressures to be able to store enough to be useful. That loses another 10-15%. You lose a bunch in the fuel cell, then runa motor that loses 5-10% to run a hydraulic pump that loses a bunch. At the point of the electric motor you only have about 25% of what you started with.
The longevity of this equipment is unproven and won't likely last very long. The fuel cells in particular, and they are mega expensive.
The tanks are an explosion hazard and H2 is such a small molecule that it seeps thru many solid materials like steel. Which actually weakens the material (search hydrogen embrittlement).
If the gas ever leaks, it has a very broad flammability mixture range with air, making it far more likely to ignite that other gases we are familiar with and burns nearly invisibility so you don't see the hazard.
And I just saw an article stating it actually makes warming worse.
Bottom line, we have to be pretty desperate to really be using it. Currently it isn't doing anything to help the environment due to the poor efficiency and where we get it from.
You definitely got the stink eye, and that door is a piece of garbage. Hydrogen is the way to go if the affordability rate is actually there
"You definitely got the stink eye". It felt that way to me as well.
Really enjoyed your Convention videos since day 1 because you asked the questions just like i would (like to know), Your polite and respectful which is something to be admired. Thanks for all ur videos and don't change. Be safe always!
Thank you sir!
I very much appreciate how you show the negatives of the products you test. Not many people do that. Hope you week is going well! Mine is! Keep up the great work!
Glad to hear your week is good! Ill be straight with ya. SOME companies really don't like blatant honesty
@@Dirtmonkey I gathered that from the people at Manitou. They didn't seem happy to see you, at all.
😂 Yeah I got that feeling as well.
Split window on skid steer sucks ! It was obviously designed by a person that is unfamiliar with muck, mud, and dirt on a job sight .
Whatever happened there was shocking and extremely unprofessional. This was an important launch of all these new models for Manitou. If I were a shareholder, I’d want answers immediately. Lots of money went into bringing these new models to market plus the marketing budget to be at Conexpo was likely huge.
Sadly it took a lot of effort and money to create that beautiful booth with those shiny new models and it took mere minutes for a few people in the company to put a really big stain on Manitou’s reputation.
It’s as simple as this, if you treat people poorly simply for wanting to look at your products, how will you treat them if they become a customer and need something?
"how will you treat them if they become a customer and need something?" well said. Good question.
I was gonna check their website but after those viscous bitches snotty looks. I’ll check other brands
To me it seems she didn't want the Manitou rep showing the Gehl equipment, even though it's the same parent compamy, I believe the rep stepped on some toes there. It was very unprofessional though.
That door would drive me nuts! The hybrid and hydrogen concepts I think are way better then electric any day.
Yep- thats how I see it.
Big Bud coming back is the best news of the show hands down 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
So it's still coal powered 🙄🤦♂️. Need a diesle gen just to..... avoid having a diesle excavator? Yeah I'm not getting this either 🤣
Interesting view point
@Stanley "Dirt Monkey" Genadek not really so much interesting. Just a given fact. The premise of these existing to reduce emissions makes zero sense. You're still burning coal 🤷♂️. And diesle for that gen set to charge it.
so what is the point with evening promoting battery then? Why are so many companies playing that game?
I appreciate your honesty stan. You are such an awesome entertaining content creator! Thanks for the years of amazing content.
I appreciate that!
Completely agreed on the door. I keep rags and glass cleaner in equipment so you can see. What's the difference as if you have a big line or scratch on your glasses.
yep- my thoughts exactly
I have driven another series Gehl trackloader with this overhead door and it works perfectly fine - no issues with the centerline.
Volvo guy couldn't explain a somewhat decent reason why anyone would need an electric excavator THAT SIZE
Jesus the carbon foot print for making that excavator alone vrs what a diesel engine would produce would be what?
Good question. I have no clue.
I could never work with that line going across the windows. And what if a rock slides in between the two panels as your closing them? Will it chip or break? If the new guy were getting into this machine and didn't understand fully the closing of the door, he or she might get knocked in the face. I say NO !
agree on all points
I've never had rocks get between the panels. And, my machine is muddy.... Often! lol They're pretty thick plexiglass, too. The one pain in the ass part is they get pretty scratched up after hundreds of hours, or so, and sooner if you bounce rocks off of the door alot.
Per the electric excavator, battery technology is advancing very quickly. In a few years, this machine will be able to run 8 hours between charges. The cost of maintenance be much lower than the I.C. powered machine. This machine may not run today as long between charges as a diesel machine does between refuel, but when was the last time you saw an electic motor refuse to start? Have you ever operated one inside a building with poor ventilation?
That door is a disaster, dirt and crud will make it into that split one way or the other ruining the seal probably chipping and cracking not to mention a half way built in fail point so that log can come in much easier😅
once a rock gets in that seal that door is by by
Time is money and using battery powered anything is losing money.
Losing 1 hour while recharging is spendy
The Manitou door would be a dealbreaker for me to buy one, I would lose my mind with that line in the field of vision. Vehicle inspections don't allow for cracks in the driver's field of vision for a reason, and Manitou put one there on purpose. No more whiskey for the engineers there. Thank you for sharing!
Volvo, as good as their equipment is, I'm still reluctant with their whole electric excavator. You hit the nail on the head with everything you said. Only benefit of having electric is to keep noise pollution down. To me it's just a giant waste because my whole argument is where does the resources come from to a: create electricity, and b: where is the resources for these batteries mined. I know everybody wants the "clean energy" but it takes a lot of "dirty energy" to get that.
The window on that skid steer, while an impressive design with a folding window, it's impractical. Again, you hit the nail on the head, and I would add this. That seam is right in the operators field of view, so you would need to be looking over or under for doing work. And also, what if you don't get the door latched properly, or the latches fail? Down on your head if you're leaning a little bit forward. It's a true safety hazard.
The hydrogen machine is amazing technology, and going back 20-30 years, people have been creating prototypes for supplemental fuel sources for vehicles. It's about time that it's becoming more mainstream.
Absolutely
Hey Keith- got your message but been swamped. Sorry for not texting back bud.
stan, here in England JCB have been producing hydrogen powered machines for a couple of years now 👍
wait what! How are they??
@Stanley "Dirt Monkey" Genadek never seen one in person, but there are a few videos on their RUclips and Instagram
ruclips.net/video/3fWmQgXcdqA/видео.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
@@Dirtmonkey ruclips.net/video/H6_qAta3Gk8/видео.html
Great Video Stan. In my opinion, as hydrogen technology gets better, it and hybrids are the best alternatives for industrial equipment. All electric battery power equipment has come a long way, but still has a ways to go before it can fully replace diesel power equipment, especially equipment that runs 10 to 12 hours a day. If you have to wait an hour or more to recharge, that's down time and down time cost money.
I like your contrasting remarks about that door. Stoney Ridge Farmer really likes it because it folds inward, you can get out in an emergency where the loader arm might block the door, or a load shifts against the cab. Or you fall into water with the loader arm up.
Totally agree that line would be annoying.
That line was the deal breaker on my first impression
That line was the deal breaker on my first impression
You get used to it in quick order. I don't even notice it, to be quite honest.
As a skidsteer service company owner for the past 25 plus years and owning Case , John Deere and operating different brands, Ive never really been satisfied with any of the door styles but that Manitou door looks like they put even less thought into it then any other of the manufacturer's .In a day and age when things are focused on visibility and safety they come up with a door that will eventually smash someone in the head ,and cause an operator to become cross eyed trying to focus looking through that poorly thought out obstruction cutting through the middle of the window and through the operators sight line ,Fail !. Keep up the good work Stan, you called it like you saw it.
" you called it like you saw it.' thank you. I try to call em like I see em but it does get me in trouble sometimes.
Volvo has clearly lost their mind. Ok guys. Let’s stop for an hour while I charge the heavy equipment.
It just doesn't add up in my opinion.
Am literally dealing on a new Gehl track loader, the way they treated you has changed my mind, thank you!
Hey man- hold on. Make your decision based on the value of the machine, and the support from your service center. DON"T base it off one simple interaction between me & some people we hardly know. I appreciate the support but I want you to make the best decision that will support your efforts. If thats still GEHL please proceed. I like their equipment. I have just struggled trying to connect to find out more on their machines..
@@Dirtmonkey Hey Stan, hope this guy (Bronson Clyde) buys one & allows you to review it new & after six months.
technically made in america is only required to be 70% originated in the us i believe
huh. I didn't know
No way. Takes 5 min to pump gas or diesel
yep. you get it
That hydragen seems like a good deal. Also like the sweedish loader system an power unit.
That just makes sense.
That hybrid articulated tractor is pretty slick!
What could go wrong by switching everything to electric? That's nothing like putting all your eggs in one basket.
Yeah- Im not for it. I like trying to get better and improve though
Time is money . Contractor don't like down time . Charging is down time .
"Charging is down time " yes it is. precisely.
That's a big NO on battery powered construction equipment for me. I work all over in remote sites and mountain top sites. So much easier to pack a few 5ers every day to keep the equipment topped than thinking about a towable generator, charging bank, etc. Won't work for me
You nailed this video! I am starting a small business this spring in central Mn. I am going to try and catch up on all your videos. Thanks for your honesty.
Awesome! Thank you!
That overhead door with the distraction of looking at the bloody line all day is worse than having to rely on an excavator with a 4 hour runtime battery, and no way yet to charge it quickly on site !!
yep- doesn't make much sense to me.
There is NO WAY to recharge a battery pack to run large industrial piece of very heavy equipment in one hour. Period. It takes that long to charge a car, that cant even drive 300 miles on that charge. That entire system is asinine.
It doesn't add up to me either.
I have driven a Mustang(manitou) skid with the split door and it did not bother me at all once i got going, I really appreciated the swing up door where i did not lose headspace. It think its not fair to judge that door so quickly. It's amazing what the brain can learn to ignore.
That door would drive me nuts!!! I would be trying to look above or below the whole time!
yep- me to
There are a lot of people on YT doing expos and tool shows and I think they are all very good. However, from a Hunky to a Polack, nobody, I mean nobody does like you do. I love your style and (I am a 71 year old red neck and I have never used this word before) panache. Yes sir you are overloaded with pure panache. - "flamboyant confidence of style or manner". You've got it Brother and we like it when you flaunt it.
Art from Ohio
Thank you sir!
Re fuel cells and the safety of the water: The Space Shuttle had hydrogen fuel cells to supply it electrical power in space, and the water produced went into the crew's drinking water tank.
woah. I had no clue. That is cool.
How long till that door goes out of alignment and shatters when you close it?
I see a rock or pebble getting in there and snap.oops
Hey Stan, thanks for the opportunity of explaining the hydrogen excavator from Hyundai. I agree a 100% I think everyone should be gearing their view more towards hydrogen power rather than battery power. Don’t get me wrong I think there maybe a very small place for battery powered equipment but from a longevity, emission, and economical standpoint I believe hydrogen will be a better option to diesel over a battery power system. I appreciate the time you took to talk with me at the show and I enjoy watching and learning from your channel. Keep up the good work with your honest opinions and reviews!
Kaleb from Texas!
It was nice to meet you kaleb!
I would like Sanytized also :D
as far a battery power (I can't speak to equipment), I think it's best use is for fleets with known routes, school busses, transit busses, garbage trucks, and postal trucks among a few. mainly because there really aren't many "unknowns", you know the start time, the finish time, and it will be parked for the night anyway to recharge. those can all be designed to have enough battery power to complete the job.
just wanted to put my 2c in on the subject
yes- battery is perfect for those fleets but at the parking station their has to be an ENORMOUS charging station to refuel all those batteries. A milwaukee tools rep explained it best to me. He said that if Disney world switched all their trucks to electric they would have to have a reserve battery (charging station) the size of a 3 story building 75 feet long. NOT POSSIBLE!
I liked the Electric Volvo. It would be great for an individual who has solar panels producing free electricity, maybe on a ranch.
Also, if you only need it to work for a few hours on a jobsite and the rest of the time is labor, I can see that as a benefit.
A plumber who replaces main sewer line usually only needs to dig for an hour or so and then bury the replaced pipes.
If you are someone who needs it to work all day, this may not be a good option.
Maybe someone who has to do work at night and can't make a ton of noise would benefit as well.
I do understand that it wouldn't benefit you, but you don't have to buy it.
I have an electric Nissan Ariya that my wife and I love to drive and we like to plug it in on our driveway and really don't want to go to gas stations if we van avoid them.
We also have an F250 gas truck and a Toyota Sienna, which also uses gas.
We use the vehicle that best suits our needs on a given day.
Perfect way to describe any backhoe.... It's a mullet 😂!!!!
I can see the electric equipment working well in indoor situations, like transfer stations for instance. Work 4 hours, charge it on lunch, and head back out to the trash pile. All without that horrible diesel exhaust smell in the building lol.
That by fold door on the tracked skid loader. Nice idea. The application sucks. Yea put a thick door joint smack center of your line of sight. No no no. Plus we all know how much doors on these type machines get abused. I don’t see that idea lasting. To me that would be the deal breaker for a new machine
I see a rock or pebble getting that seem and snap- crack oops.
Please keep giving us the good and the bad. These videos are really helpful!
You got it!
Windshield is poor design, and VOLVO....WHY!..WHY!...WHY? Have you not heard the saying "go woke and go broke"? Stan, I have been a big fan of hydrogen over electric products.
GREAT video as always, Thanks!
Good point
Regarding the bifold door. I have good operators on my crew. They still cost me over 5K in broken swing out doors on my Case skidsteer.
I just replaced the lower front glass on my Mini Excavator. The operator Paid for that one.
Just a reminder, every front windshield on a mini Excavator is bifold.
We don't complain about the seam.
Stan, electric means that you can burn coal to make electricity instead of burning diesel.
😂👍 yep good point
I think people would get used to the crease in the door but it’s definitely not a great design. And that woman needed a Snickers fur sure
"And that woman needed a Snickers fur sure" 😂
I'm not even a contractor and I absolutely love these videos.
In my opinion, ANY business not excited to show you their product, is suspect.
DirtMonkey would you ever hesitate to show someone your work? Of course not...
Oh so u drive the excavator down to the local tesla charger at lunch
😂👍
Dirt perfect did a really good job going over that volvo
NYA Millennial not DP , of the EC230
BUT what do you think of it?
@@Dirtmonkey I think it's a gimmick. Definitely would never work for me as a lot of work I do is on a small barge with no power
@@c-v-n3322 I guess they both did
What was the opinion of the others that did their reviews?
here is my 02 cents: There is a time and place for battery powered. But its not helpful to the majority of us. and this was their big reveal. I am good with them trying to do something but I would like Volvo try and improve most everybody's life. Not a select few that will benefit from battery. Make your overall equipment better, more affordable etc etc. Not give us battery as our big exciting news
What should be considered is the 4 hrs is continuous run time, this is time where the machine is actively being used so it can be on for more than 4 hrs ie no input into the sticks or pedals then it will essentially throttle down to point of not using any battery vs a regular machine would be using fuel the whole time. This is covered more in depth on Dirt Perfect channel.
Isn't he sponsored by Volvo? I would guess he would cover it in more depth.
@@Dirtmonkey Yes, ruclips.net/video/fFeIPhf3Qm0/видео.html
In regards of sany. I wouldn't drop that kind of coin given our current trajectory with the PRC. You can get parts now but if things go south it'll be difficult.
Im guessing they are prepping for the worst along with the rest of us.
thats fine if its good quality and save people money. Then Thank you Sany!
@@Dirtmonkey well i've been waiting for a part from cat for a telehandler for over a year now- so i'm not coming at this from a fanboy perspective. I'm guessing cat's problem for me is because or brexit or covid (it's a british part) that said Sany operates in a county where if they do something as simple a piss off Emperor Xi they can be shut down over night. The richest man in China (alibaba's jack ma) is currently hiding in Japan because he said he wanted China to be "more open" and they knocked him off his pedestal pretty quickly. It's how it is and I personally don't want to invest the kind of $$ big iron cost with the risk of it becoming a paper weight because someone buys a winnie-the-pooh t-shirt. My grandfather made that mistake back in the day buying some eastern euopean stuff for the farm. no parts = no fun
EV in heavy equipment is new, it's going to take a while of research, development and testing before it can replace all use cases of excavators. I think it's impressive, good start!
I wold love to see more sany equipment.
Great video. this was real talk, and unbiased. Everybody had a chance and some chose the stink eye.
I like the full hybrid models, there seems to be minimal down time when compared to the full battery options. My question would be how self-serviceable are they? And how is the company with things like right-to-repair? Thank you for the videos and the information you provide in them.
Good questions- may be a Huddig rep would jump in and address them.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas and videos. If ecology is your high point please don’t forget, hydrogen is only a energy storage medium, you need to start with something else and add energy to make it. Most is made from natural gas and the co2 is vented at the production plant. It can be made from water but it takes a lot of electricity ie. Not very efficient. And the electricity has to come from somewhere. Batteries aren’t much better since the current technology use a large amount of mined materials with the overhead of the waste from mining in addition to the electricity production. The nice thing that they both have in common is once you have electricity on sight the remainder of the excavator is exactly the same. And the hidden benefits of that style is no idling under power. You may run a diesel machine for 8hrs a day, but how much of that is just sitting there waiting on the operator or others. This type of machine goes into low power standby in moments and is ready to go in an instant. Rather than picking one over the other I would gladly embrace both styles. And with a onsite charging solution a battery machine could be easily topped off during the operators lunch break. And be recharged overnight from the grid with off peak energy rates. Thinking thunder trailer with electrons to go instead of liquid hydro carbon. BTW you ever listen to the word hydrocarbon, it’s there in the name hydrogen-carbon. Your diesel is already a hydrogen machine. 😂 it’s just linked with carbon by nature. Wishing you and your family the best, always find your videos interesting and entertaining. Love to see the stuffed shirts run when they see you coming.
BTW, the line in the front door was bothering me and I was watching it on a tiny phone screen. They need to take the lead from the flexible phone screen industry and make it a roll up like a garage door.
Manitou over head door is an issue waiting to happen. But I like the full slide up door like kubota
I hated my Kubota until I tried it. Then after using it. REALLY liked it. SO maybe that manitou door is ok. But maybe not
I think the bifold door from manitou is in response to kobota, especially for the ag side of their sales
That might be. But its not for me.
Let's b realistic. The manitu door will b several thousand to replace and it's way over complicated. To many moving parts. Plus little peddles will build up in the groove.
The kubota door is tried and true tech that hasn't really changed in 20 or more years. (Just a modified excavator door). I will say the big downside to the kubota door is DO NOT LOCK IT IN THE WINTER. mine always froze. Lol
"Plus little peddles will build up in the groove. ' one pebble in that crack and I see a big problem with that door.
Its really important for us at Volvo to produce and sell equipment to the people who dont want to make money.
Ill wait for the nuclear powered track loader with a forcefield for a front window.
Dude- I hope your a patient man. at least your first in line
All these electric people don't understand the faster you charge a battery. The faster you discharge your battery and the shorter that battery. Is? Life. The? Slower you charge it the longer that battery will last and the longer that charge will last
Yes sir- good point.
I don't run equipment for a living but that line across the windshield in the Manitou/Gehl would drive me insane operating that machine all day. Why can't they just put a roll up door on it like a Kubota or a Takeuchi I wonder?
nobody in construction/landscaping cares about carbon footprints lmao. what a crock of marketing bs. they dont wanna talk about the carbon footprint, the enviromental impact, and the ethics behind making those batteries they preach about
yep- seems like there is more to the story and we aren't seeing it.
@@Dirtmonkey i think they are trying to get on the governments good side with "green energy" so they can get some of those sweet, sweet subsidies
Diesel generator to make power for your formal diesel engine. LOL
yep- makes no sense.
There's actually a lot of really good uses for electric equipment indoor spaces mining. Especially working in downtown environments, demolition jobs or jobs where so much dust is created it's hard to run the equipment that needs air. And yes it can be more environmentally friendly to use batteries to machine is operating enough
I see that. But Volvo is only making 11 of these. So they are projecting much demand either I would guess.
Also yard environments would do extremely well with these kinds of equipment. 4hrs continuous run could be a full day intermittent easily. Notice he was saying these are not meant to replace an excavator that just gets dropped in a field. The real question is how much further does the tech need to develop before mass adoption takes off. If they cut that charging time from 1hr to a 30 min lunch break, it'll be really compelling. And the way these tech things advance that could be next year or the year after.
Electric is not the answer it just leads to more questions. Although working indoors I could see it. Just plug it in like a welder and run all day.
Yep- Indoors it works good I bet
I think several things got missed in the discussion about electric power. The dramatic drop in maintenance and cost savings cannot be understated. The four hour time quoted is for non-stop use. The one hour charge is once, you can go home and let it charge overnight. “If” and only “if” hydrogen ever becomes commercialized it can instead be used to power an on-site generator to generate electricity for charging all the plug in equipment people have bought waiting for hydrogen to ever come to market. By then batteries will last an eight hour shift. The hydrogen equipment maker was quoted in a recent trade mag that it was a costly proof of concept with no plans to sell. The concept is being sent to shows to drum up interest like a concept car (to also recover and justify some of the development costs). It will come down to total cost of ownership and electric will always win.
Excellent video Stan. That door would drive me nuts- I would not even consider purchasing that machine solely because of the door.
That door didn't sit well with me.
That door bugged me
A complete stain on Manitou's image created by those ladies representing the company. You can hear clear as day the first one say "did you handle it?" Before realizing Stan was following him and giving the stink eye followed by a groan.
Equipment quality aside, I can't believe they have the audacity to openly display their products at the expo then literally gatekeep who is worthy of having their spokesman showcase their products IN THE MIDDLE OF HIM PRESENTING. Bad form.
I just got a cold feeling from them. But I figured I would let you decide.
I have a 2020 f350 with the 6.7 I do over 30k mi a year . Only issue was a def heater (which happened in august) so it wasn’t a problem. I totally get the gas/diesel debate. Personally if I were you’d upgrade the fleet to fords 6.7s . They are tried and true . Get great mpgs and the power is second to none
Hydrogen seems like the way to go I was going to put Hydrogen in my 92 Cherokee but I was to afraid to lol. But there are many videos on it and all the guys that added Hydrogen said they were getting ridiculously low gas mileage so yeah I would have to go with Hydrogen
Thanks for sharing Stanley 😁👍
I never heard of adding hydrogen to a 92 cherokee. Im with you. I think that would be a hard pass haha.
@@Dirtmonkey Yeah it's a HHO generator they sell them on Amazon=( Fuel Saving Kit HHO DC3000 for Cars) I just watched a review on it by a reputable RUclipsr and apparently it doesn't do anything in that configuration set up. When I wanted to do it years ago it was just a thing on RUclips people were rigging up with Mason jars and fish tank hose which is why I was skeptical about doing lol.
That sounds kind of cool actually.
Hell no on the overhead door, to many things that could go wrong. Say if EMT’s had to extract a person that was unconscious and slumped over on that door.
Plus if the machine had structural damage and wouldn’t open laying on its side. It would suck to burn to death because of a jammed door
Stan how Dare you go to a expo unannounced and ask questions about equipment companies are selling!
The electric machine have a place. Indoor work mines places were you just can’t run gas or diesel motors.
yep- perfect application.
That door is a major no. It lowers the height of the overhead storage also, if bang my head every time I enter or exit at my height. And in an emergency to vacate the machine, No I don’t want it pushing into my face.
Im very impressed with Sany. Looking at the telehandlers they offer in the next few years
yeah they have good stuff
I don't get the whole electric craze. Exactly what you said about the charging aspect of it. Then you add the cold to it and the electric cars can't even survive a winter. Electric construction equipment is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in 2023 so far!
Im not impressed yet. I like small battery equipment. but the larger stuff -not yet.
@@Dirtmonkey Yes home owners and start up companies (your 16 year olds just starting a business around the subdivision) battery machines are great for!
People may not like what I'm going to say but it's the perfect saying,"If you want to make money you have to spend money, and eventually you will start saving money after you initially spend the original money
Thats a really good saying.
8:14 also, most Asian, European, etc companies will have some kind of support or factory building and servicing the products being made, right here in USA and other countries for “ease of access”. As makes sense
agreed
I also feel like if something slammed into that door it may fail at that "weak point"
Electric machines will be a total flop
Little stuff- yes battery works awesome. Big stuff no.
That door would suck I'd wouldn't buy that pos because of that door
I couldn't do that door off my first impression.
That door would worry me. As you said, mud, stones, grit will get into that groove and betweeen the sheets of poly. Not good.
Yeah that door is dumb. Happy to see the conexpo vids coming out. Happy i ran into you at the expo. Stan thanks for taking the time to talk quick and thanks for the picture. It made my day!
It was nice to meet you! 😀👍