Joe Rogan says “Christ” means “a mushroom covered in God’s s*men”
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024
- On this week’s episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe brought up to Jordan Peterson, John Marco Allegro’s “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross,” and particularly, Allegro’s linguistic work tracing the word “Christ” back into the Sumerian.
Now I’ve recorded 2 hours with the Cultush Podcast n Allegro’s Sacred Mushroom theory, and I have my own separate video tackling the subject. But seeing as this continues to be repeated (despite it being unanimously debunked and dismissed by every ancient linguist to date) I thought as someone who studies, researches, and teaches ancient languages, that I’d give my 2 cents.
It boggles my mind that these ideas gain traction. Thankful for voices like yours addressing them so clearly.
Saw the sit down, knew what Joe said had no basis. Thanks for this
I would like to see you and Joe Rogan sit down to discuss biblical truths.
I'm glad you addressed this, I've heard Rogan repeatedly bring up Allegro's work as though it were an unorthodox but valid argument that is suppressed by religious dogmatists when it seems like scholarship actually just rejects his arguments on linguistic grounds. Is there a good academic article or book you can recommend that addresses and critiques The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross point-by-point? Because his arguments seem so blatantly ridiculous off the cuff, it's tough to find resources that systematically go through in detail what the problems with his work are.
Fantastic response. Thank you.
Joe LOVES saying "John Marco Allegro" 🤣
Rogan is so obsessed with mushrooms, he ended up looking like one
Joe Rogan's absolute worst takes are on Christianity, every single time
Well....that would be a weird etymology.
Excellent short!❤🎉
Nice, concise, to-the-point response.
I was wondering if you had any thoughts on Holy Koolaid's recent video, "The Bible's Been Changed WAY More Than You Realize!"
Nice job is always. It would be nice if your video could be sent to Joe Rogan.
Amen
Oh well, I suppose you're job is to preach to the "converted." Whatever helps you get through the day. Personally I find John Alegro, Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan noteworthy and honest (and Joe is always quick to point out when he's in intellectual deep water). But as for you, when the priest turns his back, try a few mushrooms and then get to me.
@@RodriguezCarlitos-hd7ti merely a linguist and historian correcting the record. It doesn’t go unnoticed that you didn’t actually attempt to deal with the evidence of what I said - which conclusively proves Allegro (via Rogan) incorrect. There’s a reason Allegro stands alone against all of academia (both in his day and now), and it isn’t because he’s some misunderstood underdog. The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross’s thesis is based on linguistic fallacies that cant be applied consistently or logically in any philological setting. It’s just poor scholarship and fanciful conjecture. Also, I’m Protestant, so neither have nor believe in priests.
@@WesHuff You’re right. I won’t bother presenting evidence. Or disputing evidence. I started out an old catholic so I know about the circular arguments that Christian’s are famous for. I won’t waste my time or yours. Believe what gets you off. But I must say a tiny bit when it is obvious that you’re riding Joe Rogan’s back for a few views. But for this no one should chastise you. I understand the murky waters of RUclips and I know people do what they must to keep up with the Jones’s. Stay well cousin!!! Peace love and compassion to all beings
You’re going to have to explain away the fact of religious conversion that is induced by mushrooms. You have to reconcile with the fact that there is evidence to support mushrooms as being a part of the original sacraments of the Church. Protestantism has dealt a massive blows to the religious experience, and the attitude towards psychedelics is one of the worst of them.
I'm going to have to explain away the fringe theories of a minority of individuals on the outskirts of the philosophy of religion? As someone who has lectured on church history and in a class literally called "Christian Origins" at the graduate level, I can pretty comfortably tell you that there really isn't anything to "explain away." Hypothetical hypothesis are interesting and all but actual historiography they do not make.
@@WesHuff there absolutely is. You’re the one saying there isn’t any connection with Christianity and mushrooms. From a phenomenological perspective, taking religious experience as a fact of existence and not a value based judgement, you can see definite parallels between ritualistic use of psychedelics and religious experiences professed by Christians. And in your video here, you completely walked over the fact that Allegro didn’t just say “oh, that meant _____ in Sumerian” and instead traces languages back to their Sumerian roots. You did a major disservice to your intellectual integrity on this one my guy.
@@andrewjung6987 you didn’t listen. Sumerian is a language isolate. It has no genetic linguistic connections.
Because it seems from your answers that you do not study ancient languages let me put it this way: tracing the koine Greek word “Christ” from Sumerian is like saying “I’m going to trace the English words ‘MacDonald’s Big Mac’ from their Medieval Japanese.”
For those of us who study this stuff that’s about as much sense as it makes. And that’s basically what all of Allegros academic peers then, and those in the field now, said and continue to say.