It's just a matter of statistics. For the carousel, all gacha games work like that - as long as they release the rate on each card, which they did - it is predetermined from when you spend your in-game currency. Regarding coin flips, the game is REQUIRED to do it randomly - players just have a negativity bias. Truth is, most of the time, Misty will give 1 energy, cause that is just basic probability. And same goes for wonder picks. Most people don't register enough wonder picks to even create appropriate datasets, and statistics wise of course it would seem to be against you. Not protecting the big game companies, but just stating the facts - unless it is datamined and confirmed, this video is just baseless.
While it's certainly possible for me to have gotten heads on the first flip only a few times out of a few dozen Misty usages, it's very unlikely if it's truly 50/50. I don't see how that's a negativity bias.
@Graestra oh I mean a lot of times you get one head but still dismissed it, even though one head is as likely as no heads. As you get more heads you are becoming increasingly lucky, but over 2 and it also usually get dismissed when you recall your luck with Misty.
i feel like they should guarantee a 2star or higher per single pack, and definitely at least a 4star or higher per multi/10 pack. actually give some incentive to save up, other than just saving time
Exactly. Like what a waste of time pulling just commons for the last three packs in which you've been waiting forever for. But as shady as Pokemon is, that's how they keep you playing.. well, force you into needing to pay. But even after you pay, it doesn't guarantee anything so you're just running more chances by paying that's all.
I don't remember buying a real booster pack and getting mad i didn't get a rare every 10 packs I bought.. why should this be any different? There's very strict laws around these types of games in EU countries so if the games allowed there, it's not rigged..
Even if it's preetermined, it's still random. Users only imagine they can pick the right pack out if a set of packs they have no information to distinguish between.
The wonder pick system is just awful in general. 4/5 times you're not gonna get what you want and it makes you always feel like YOU picked the wrong card. That's why I never intend to, nor do I even feel tempted to, spend money on this system. It is just a feel bad system that is not worth any money whatsoever. I pick for free or don't engage with it at all. It would actually be an upgrade if you couldn't pick a card at all and that the card was chosen at complete random.
it quite literally doesn't matter either way, whether or not you have the illusion of choice its still 20% to get what you want. and i disagree, the wonder pick system is great over a long period of time, where your picks will regress towards the average expected, i.e. you get what you actually want usually every 5 picks. To put it into perspective, this means for a 3 cost pick (36 hours/ hourglasses) (the cost when theres a regular 4 diamond ex, which make up the crux of most meta decks), you will be able to do 168 hours in a week/ 36 hours (3 cost) = roughly 4.67 picks in a week, if you have the patience. That's almost the 5 needed to average out 1 of what you want. And this isn't counting rewards from solo mode, regular events, the monthly hourglass refresh, level up rewards and whatever else they might add. So in reality it more than 5 picks a week, but for sake of ease lets just say its 5. That means you can kinda get an "ex" you want per week, on average anyway. of course your luck in a specific period of time could be good or bad. but the point is, over time all of this ads up. obviously you can speed it up monetarily if you lack the patience which is often rewarded in these types of gacha games.
My knowledge of coin flips is that the first one is player chosen and CAN ( not will ) hit heads every single time while the next coin flips are game decided
Pack offerings in app states how packs are drawn. Not rigged. Coin flip no evidence presented, though computers can't be random due to being binary however they are very close and probably uses finger movement to influence with a imputed added when swiping but so far not shown as rigged. Wonder Pick no evidence presented, but appears to be fair due to attempt to show you other card options so assumptions aside, not shown as rigged. That being said, I do find it odd when I say a Pokémon's name multiple times shortly before opening a pack there appears to be an influence towards getting it, however not version said just name. So who knows.
I started a second ftp account, have under 400 cards, but pulled 2 immersive 2 Charizards, and immersive Mewtwo, meanwhile I have almost 2of every EX on my 100$ account, only pulled 1 Pika immersive 🤷
i have 600 cards pulled by playing as a f2p player I have none of the rare cards I've seen people with 400 or 300 cards pulled and that's one thing. I never seem to be able to get the cards i want in online battles too, almost every online battle I'm in my opponents will start with "Professor Research" and "Pokeball" cards but i won't be able to get those till mid game or late game
Misty feels weird to me. I have never used Misty myself but I feel like AI and players alike are incredibly unlucky against me but on two occasions the AI got 9 and 10 energy when they otherwise are crazy lucky to even get 3-4.
The way to test the misty coin flip is play a misty deck and purposefully get the results from using it 500 times very early 500 times on go 5-6 and 500 times later on and after the first pokemon has been eliminate. It will determine if a bias has been set up not to allow 50/50 chance of heads on the first spin in early chances when the card is most useful. If enough people record the results it will provide better data
I myself have two mistys coin flips (a regular one and a full art version) and there has been only one time I've been able to get a single coin flip for one of my Articuno exs.
Lets be honest would the game feel any differently for pack opening if there was a choice if yes then it gives a disadvantage to people that open 10 at a time if no then why complain about them not adding a few lines of code and extra data being transferred betwen the game and the server
So what the pack wheel is all the same? They are generated AT RANDOM with odds listed. Whenever they are generated after chosing pack or before does not change anything. You are not getting scamed IT IS RANDOM
You clearly missed the point of that segment 😂 he wasn’t doubting it wasn’t random - he was doubting the impact the player has on changing his choice, in which he proved. This video is a discussion point not a yes or no, if no one talking about this stuff games won’t be held accountable!
The coin flip is fully dependent on how fast you swipe (how far it will go) and how long you swipe (how many rotations), there is a coin flip trick where you hold the coin at the maximum height it can go without being flipped or it goes back to its spot because you went to far or you held down so long, if you hold it and flick ever so slightly, it will normally land in the middle on heads but its still a touchy feely sort of thing because i have gotten inconsistent heads but I've gotten more heads than tales with this trick. The coin system is ran on physics alone i believe.
No, I would like to politely disagree with you, as a Computer Science student. All these mechanics are already predetermined at server-side, before you make any choice. Just like the carousel, even the coin flip is predetermined, the very moment the effect of a card takes place. The server randomly selects the coins and as a result you're made to believe that you have any control over it through physics. Which is not the case. What you are talking about is affected by the fact that as humans we have a negative-bias towards these things. Truth is, statistically speaking, if you were to flip coins approximately to infinity you would have 50% chance for both heads and tails. Props to the developers for accounting for the flip design, it makes it look more real to us, as if we are in control of anything. It makes the game more immersive with our little traditions before flipping coins.
Every smart person knows that whether or the outcome is predetermined, it's still random. People only imagine they can pick the right pack out of a set they have no information about.
@elijahwilliameby2030 If you use normal distribution curve, you'll get roughly equal 3heads and 3tails. But this game is rigged more to the 3tails, its keeping cards like zapdos ex from being op I guess.
Its absolutely rigged, 1rst account good drops untill level 16, from then, 12 packs and not a single holo or rare, 2nd account all good drops at the moment, lets see when i level up a bit more...
I will say this about the wonder pick just as something I've noticed, 7/10 times the card I want which is usually an ex alt art or something of higher rarity is almost always in the in the same spot or the spot right next to it. If say the card is shown on the wonder pick at the bottom left before it shuffles it usually ends up in the same spot or in the bottom right in that scenario. So with that being said I always choose the spot where the card was originally and like I said 7/10 times I get the card. I can only loosely confirm this on ex cards or higher rarity cards not basic rarity cards. would be cool if someone could legitimately test this.
It's just a matter of statistics. For the carousel, all gacha games work like that - as long as they release the rate on each card, which they did - it is predetermined from when you spend your in-game currency. Regarding coin flips, the game is REQUIRED to do it randomly - players just have a negativity bias. Truth is, most of the time, Misty will give 1 energy, cause that is just basic probability. And same goes for wonder picks. Most people don't register enough wonder picks to even create appropriate datasets, and statistics wise of course it would seem to be against you. Not protecting the big game companies, but just stating the facts - unless it is datamined and confirmed, this video is just baseless.
While it's certainly possible for me to have gotten heads on the first flip only a few times out of a few dozen Misty usages, it's very unlikely if it's truly 50/50. I don't see how that's a negativity bias.
@Graestra oh I mean a lot of times you get one head but still dismissed it, even though one head is as likely as no heads. As you get more heads you are becoming increasingly lucky, but over 2 and it also usually get dismissed when you recall your luck with Misty.
@@Graestrasmall anecdotal sample size doesn't hold any standing, do it 1 million more times then report back.
Sadly, the majority of people come to conclusions based on feelings, rather than facts.
@@Goku17yen After all that's how these games work. And maybe it's a good thing, it keeps you engaged
My main problem with packs is that they don't guarantee at least a Rare or higher
The rest is pretty normal
i feel like they should guarantee a 2star or higher per single pack, and definitely at least a 4star or higher per multi/10 pack. actually give some incentive to save up, other than just saving time
@@Goku17yenngl they should make the 10 draw a 100% 4 star and every like 3 ten draws a full art ex.
Exactly. Like what a waste of time pulling just commons for the last three packs in which you've been waiting forever for. But as shady as Pokemon is, that's how they keep you playing.. well, force you into needing to pay. But even after you pay, it doesn't guarantee anything so you're just running more chances by paying that's all.
Well, it's not exactly "rare" if you get it every time, is it?
I don't remember buying a real booster pack and getting mad i didn't get a rare every 10 packs I bought.. why should this be any different?
There's very strict laws around these types of games in EU countries so if the games allowed there, it's not rigged..
Even if it's preetermined, it's still random. Users only imagine they can pick the right pack out if a set of packs they have no information to distinguish between.
The wonder pick system is just awful in general. 4/5 times you're not gonna get what you want and it makes you always feel like YOU picked the wrong card. That's why I never intend to, nor do I even feel tempted to, spend money on this system. It is just a feel bad system that is not worth any money whatsoever. I pick for free or don't engage with it at all. It would actually be an upgrade if you couldn't pick a card at all and that the card was chosen at complete random.
it quite literally doesn't matter either way, whether or not you have the illusion of choice its still 20% to get what you want. and i disagree, the wonder pick system is great over a long period of time, where your picks will regress towards the average expected, i.e. you get what you actually want usually every 5 picks.
To put it into perspective, this means for a 3 cost pick (36 hours/ hourglasses) (the cost when theres a regular 4 diamond ex, which make up the crux of most meta decks), you will be able to do 168 hours in a week/ 36 hours (3 cost) = roughly 4.67 picks in a week, if you have the patience. That's almost the 5 needed to average out 1 of what you want. And this isn't counting rewards from solo mode, regular events, the monthly hourglass refresh, level up rewards and whatever else they might add. So in reality it more than 5 picks a week, but for sake of ease lets just say its 5. That means you can kinda get an "ex" you want per week, on average anyway. of course your luck in a specific period of time could be good or bad. but the point is, over time all of this ads up. obviously you can speed it up monetarily if you lack the patience which is often rewarded in these types of gacha games.
I got too many ex from wonder pick that I'm convinced that its not rigged. hopefully
The history of every digital card game is 30% of its base swearing that its out to get them specifically.
Not at all! - no emotions in this video just some interesting things to consider regarding the games operation.
It's not a great experience, but it definitely saves them a lot of server costs since they're reducing the amount of api calls drastically
My knowledge of coin flips is that the first one is player chosen and CAN ( not will ) hit heads every single time while the next coin flips are game decided
Pack offerings in app states how packs are drawn. Not rigged.
Coin flip no evidence presented, though computers can't be random due to being binary however they are very close and probably uses finger movement to influence with a imputed added when swiping but so far not shown as rigged.
Wonder Pick no evidence presented, but appears to be fair due to attempt to show you other card options so assumptions aside, not shown as rigged.
That being said, I do find it odd when I say a Pokémon's name multiple times shortly before opening a pack there appears to be an influence towards getting it, however not version said just name.
So who knows.
rigged? i got so many full arts and immersive arts but need god damn omanyte and Persian for my mew
Just craft them?
I started a second ftp account, have under 400 cards, but pulled 2 immersive 2 Charizards, and immersive Mewtwo, meanwhile I have almost 2of every EX on my 100$ account, only pulled 1 Pika immersive 🤷
i have 600 cards pulled by playing as a f2p player I have none of the rare cards I've seen people with 400 or 300 cards pulled and that's one thing. I never seem to be able to get the cards i want in online battles too, almost every online battle I'm in my opponents will start with "Professor Research" and "Pokeball" cards but i won't be able to get those till mid game or late game
Misty feels weird to me. I have never used Misty myself but I feel like AI and players alike are incredibly unlucky against me but on two occasions the AI got 9 and 10 energy when they otherwise are crazy lucky to even get 3-4.
The way to test the misty coin flip is play a misty deck and purposefully get the results from using it 500 times very early 500 times on go 5-6 and 500 times later on and after the first pokemon has been eliminate. It will determine if a bias has been set up not to allow 50/50 chance of heads on the first spin in early chances when the card is most useful.
If enough people record the results it will provide better data
I myself have two mistys coin flips (a regular one and a full art version) and there has been only one time I've been able to get a single coin flip for one of my Articuno exs.
Lets be honest would the game feel any differently for pack opening if there was a choice if yes then it gives a disadvantage to people that open 10 at a time if no then why complain about them not adding a few lines of code and extra data being transferred betwen the game and the server
I know there is somethin wrong with misty. PC flips 9 more than it should and, every time I use it Ill be lucky if I get 2.
So what the pack wheel is all the same? They are generated AT RANDOM with odds listed. Whenever they are generated after chosing pack or before does not change anything. You are not getting scamed IT IS RANDOM
You clearly missed the point of that segment 😂 he wasn’t doubting it wasn’t random - he was doubting the impact the player has on changing his choice, in which he proved. This video is a discussion point not a yes or no, if no one talking about this stuff games won’t be held accountable!
@@mselevenclips Oh, my bad i was watching whits with one eye and one ear while at work. Sorry
Packs should be treated the same as the real one I think
irl tcg is rigged just the same heh
The coin flip is fully dependent on how fast you swipe (how far it will go) and how long you swipe (how many rotations), there is a coin flip trick where you hold the coin at the maximum height it can go without being flipped or it goes back to its spot because you went to far or you held down so long, if you hold it and flick ever so slightly, it will normally land in the middle on heads but its still a touchy feely sort of thing because i have gotten inconsistent heads but I've gotten more heads than tales with this trick. The coin system is ran on physics alone i believe.
No, I would like to politely disagree with you, as a Computer Science student. All these mechanics are already predetermined at server-side, before you make any choice. Just like the carousel, even the coin flip is predetermined, the very moment the effect of a card takes place. The server randomly selects the coins and as a result you're made to believe that you have any control over it through physics. Which is not the case. What you are talking about is affected by the fact that as humans we have a negative-bias towards these things. Truth is, statistically speaking, if you were to flip coins approximately to infinity you would have 50% chance for both heads and tails. Props to the developers for accounting for the flip design, it makes it look more real to us, as if we are in control of anything. It makes the game more immersive with our little traditions before flipping coins.
Atleast for a time someone actually figured out a trick to always flip heads when you controlled it.
Have used misty 7 times, 6 have been tails right away. one was 4 heads.
I'm curious if it's rigged between accounts that spend $0 vs at least $20
I have 2 accounts. 1 spent $100 one spent $0 I have rarer cards on the $0 account than on the one I spent. Makes you wonder.
Bruh I got 15 misty heads and then didn't any for a week, feels pretty consistent to me :'(
My theory is its rigged because I've made 1 is to 7 outcome of three heads vs three tails with more three tails happening.
Every smart person knows that whether or the outcome is predetermined, it's still random. People only imagine they can pick the right pack out of a set they have no information about.
@elijahwilliameby2030 If you use normal distribution curve, you'll get roughly equal 3heads and 3tails. But this game is rigged more to the 3tails, its keeping cards like zapdos ex from being op I guess.
Its absolutely rigged, 1rst account good drops untill level 16, from then, 12 packs and not a single holo or rare, 2nd account all good drops at the moment, lets see when i level up a bit more...
You always get good drop and your first few booster, it's like that for everyone
I will say this about the wonder pick just as something I've noticed, 7/10 times the card I want which is usually an ex alt art or something of higher rarity is almost always in the in the same spot or the spot right next to it. If say the card is shown on the wonder pick at the bottom left before it shuffles it usually ends up in the same spot or in the bottom right in that scenario. So with that being said I always choose the spot where the card was originally and like I said 7/10 times I get the card. I can only loosely confirm this on ex cards or higher rarity cards not basic rarity cards. would be cool if someone could legitimately test this.
Don't know if this is just my luck but i have horrible luck so this seams suspicious to me