I grew up with John Demmer. He was very good at anything he did. He was a phenomenal baseball player, among other things. I'm not surprised to see that he is in the top group of archers in the world.
I use a combination of stringwalking and gap shooting. At 10 yards for instance I string walk down only 3 marks on the tab and then shoot 6 inches low. This prevents me from having to go way down the string and reduces the difficulty in estimating the gap. At 20 yards and further I do only stringwalking, no gap.
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
...and that's one of the reasons why I only buy my equipment from a local shop, even if it may be a bit more expensive to do so. I bought my first (recurve)bow there and the owner himself measured me out, drawlength and -weight, picked the spine of the arrows according to the bow (and the drawlength), set the nock and so on and so forth. Much later I bought stronger arms, the same happened, even later another bow followed. again, the same. It's also very covenient that I can simply whatsapp him, like "hey, I need a new string and a couple of arrows" or whathaveyou, and he sends it out right away or I pick it up, since all my data is in his system. Doesn't hurt that he's a nice guy and a couple of month ago has moved his shop to a different location, even bigger than before and now even with an indoor range for testing.
Do you recommend attaching additional 2-3 nocks to your string instead of actually crawling down the string? Someone told me that in dim light, when you might not be able to see your tap measurements, it might save you from missing a shot.
Depends on your anchor point, draw length and a few other factors. It’s a pretty personal thing on where to adjust to get your on-point where you want it.
John Demmer has this very amiable face, but then when he draws the bow and turns his head he has the most intense eyes when he's focusing on the target. I noticed it in the Lancaster catalog and then here.
IMHO, this video suffers badly from not showing the exact view down the arrow with the tip at some point on the target. Are you always looking directly down on top of the arrow to the arrow tip, or looking under the arrow at some distances or exactly what? Thx.
Cheers. I must have a word or 2 with some barebow archers then as they clearly have distance marks on their tabs. What I do notice at shoots though is that judges tend not to check the tabs...
you can, as long as the mark are all the same and all at an even distance between each other, and you can't have numbers or other signs that marks the shooting distances.
A couple of these statements aren't exactly 100% accurate. I just want to clarify so things aren't as confusing. In World archery you are allowed to mark your tabs. They have to be same size shape and color. There is no mentioning of spacing nor is it implied.
It's a bit late, but in case someone else might be interested the following describes some of his setups. (Sidenote he used less than 50 lbs in these) Lancaster Classic was my purple gillo 27", 12" stab, recurve RZ arrows, 37# otf ultimate pro limbs, and stringwalking Vegas same riser, long rod vbars, RZ arrows, 39# otf Vera 2 limbs, and stringwalking USA indoor nationals same riser, 2# weight, one inch shorter rz arrows, 39# otf Vera 2, stringwalking. NFAA indoors same riser, 39# otf Vera 2, full length xbusters 300gr points, and no stringwalking (not allowed in chosen class) I returned for every shoot. NFAA this year is my worst tune cause I don't have any options really to get point on with my lower anchor. Arrows are probably flying at about 120 fps. Lol As for outdoors, i might just stick with last year's final setup. Same 27" gillo riser, 39# otf Vera 2, stringwalking, 650 nano extremes with 110gr points. If I do change anything, it might be a slightly higher poundage maybe 41 or 43#. source tradtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88473
That is a good question. I'm usually all over the place depending on what I'm shooting. The last couple years for field I've been between 40 and 44#. Indoors I'm around 39#.
I know the history of string walking and how it developed but there comes a point where it all defeats the purpose of barebow and we might as well just use sights, but if they like it then cool.
They should be a competitive division shooting with recurves but with instinctive aiming. Like traditional (with mediterranean or thumb grip) but with ILF risers and modern components. I like traditional horsebows but not using wood arrows, and I like ILF risers but not using sights or stabilizers. I like the sights in compounds but not the stabilizers. Essentially I depise any way of archery which makes the bow useless for hunting situations.
It is crazy that here in Poland we are not allowed to use string walking in bare bow competitions at all, where in the US the top archers even have markings in their tabs!
Kluxii no, trust me. It is forbidden in every 3d archery of field archery contest. You are desqualified if the assgned judge in your team does not see one of your fingers touching the arrow
Kluxii I enjoy barebow shooting, but I can inderstand it can be disencouraging for a beginner to have a low accuracy in the beginning. I always reveal to beginners that stringwalking exists, how it compares with other methods, and encourage them to try it. Most of them benefit from the technique feom the start.
Heh, funny video ... the host compares Johns anchor on the cheek vs "olympic" anchor under the jaw as if that was something specific to the type of bow/shooting and then next go 2 girls that basically do the "olympic" anchor under the jaw yet string walk ....
Young ladies in the video need to use an under the chin anchor to get to a 50 meter point on. If they used my anchor in the video I'm guessing they would be closer to 35 meters point on. Picking your anchor point often is out of necessity to what you want for point on distance.
@@MmmmmmmmmmCookies Great info thanks. I have been a gap shooter for many years and am really enjoying string walking now. So what do I do for longer distances say further then 50m point on. Do I then gap shoot? Cheers.
@@Cuckoo_Nature_Hobbies I gap shoot. I'll start stacking arrow point to shelf for far distances well beyond my point on. Say 60 is my point on. 70 might be the self. 80 might be put the shelf on the target and see where thr point is and now move my shelf to that point and it's good
I'm losing respect for the so-called barebow archery competition. There's a lot of gear being used. Sorry, but if you can't pick it up barehanded with no crap attached and hit the target, then it's not barebow. Y'all are sellouts.
I grew up with John Demmer. He was very good at anything he did. He was a phenomenal baseball player, among other things. I'm not surprised to see that he is in the top group of archers in the world.
I Love you John... Thanks for inspirating me.. I'm Barebower
I use a combination of stringwalking and gap shooting. At 10 yards for instance I string walk down only 3 marks on the tab and then shoot 6 inches low. This prevents me from having to go way down the string and reduces the difficulty in estimating the gap. At 20 yards and further I do only stringwalking, no gap.
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
...and that's one of the reasons why I only buy my equipment from a local shop, even if it may be a bit more expensive to do so. I bought my first (recurve)bow there and the owner himself measured me out, drawlength and -weight, picked the spine of the arrows according to the bow (and the drawlength), set the nock and so on and so forth.
Much later I bought stronger arms, the same happened, even later another bow followed. again, the same.
It's also very covenient that I can simply whatsapp him, like "hey, I need a new string and a couple of arrows" or whathaveyou, and he sends it out right away or I pick it up, since all my data is in his system.
Doesn't hurt that he's a nice guy and a couple of month ago has moved his shop to a different location, even bigger than before and now even with an indoor range for testing.
Thank you, your tutorial very help me how to shoot barebow with correctly... I come from Indonesia..
great video. thank you for sharing.
I want a tutorial about using the marks. Setting them up, etc
watch the video again... Is in there, John literally explained that.
You gotta find that on your own bud
This is a great tutorial 💪🏽
Love this video
Do you recommend attaching additional 2-3 nocks to your string instead of actually crawling down the string? Someone told me that in dim light, when you might not be able to see your tap measurements, it might save you from missing a shot.
Having multiple nocking point (more than 2 for upper and lower) is not allowed by WA
I started shooting yesterday without a tab and now today my fingers are swollen and blistered
I am new to this, could you tell me for the string walking what measurement in cm should I put on the upper and lower blades?
awesome tut, thx guys!
Greenhorn archer here, currently shooting just 20’ and less. Should the tiller on upper and lower limbs be different when string walking?
I know this is an old video, but maybe someone can answer this: How much lbs do you approximately need to have 50m as point on distance like he does?
Depends on your anchor point, draw length and a few other factors. It’s a pretty personal thing on where to adjust to get your on-point where you want it.
Chanel yang bagus.. Terima kasih tutorialnya sangat bermanfaat. Kontenya inspirasi buat konten chanel saya
John Demmer has this very amiable face, but then when he draws the bow and turns his head he has the most intense eyes when he's focusing on the target. I noticed it in the Lancaster catalog and then here.
IMHO, this video suffers badly from not showing the exact view down the arrow with the tip at some point on the target. Are you always looking directly down on top of the arrow to the arrow tip, or looking under the arrow at some distances or exactly what? Thx.
What about the nose gear?
The Patch Adams thingy. Is it required?
It's only required if you are hitting your nose a lot whilst shooting.
for him it is, he even have his own brand of patches now
What are those circle things on the back of the limbs??
Limbsaver vibration dampeners
They are supposedly limb savers?
Thought you cant mark the tab with sight marks?
LittleKing Archery you can't, but it is not illegal to count the stitches in the leather of your tab
Cheers. I must have a word or 2 with some barebow archers then as they clearly have distance marks on their tabs. What I do notice at shoots though is that judges tend not to check the tabs...
you can, as long as the mark are all the same and all at an even distance between each other, and you can't have numbers or other signs that marks the shooting distances.
LittleKing Archery very skillful . i love shooting bare bow .
A couple of these statements aren't exactly 100% accurate. I just want to clarify so things aren't as confusing. In World archery you are allowed to mark your tabs. They have to be same size shape and color. There is no mentioning of spacing nor is it implied.
i need some help please help me giveing me arrows if u can help me
A tab like that is legal?
For World Archery Barebow, it is 100% legal. 👍
@@MmmmmmmmmmCookies I've heard it's only 69%
Love to know what brand of bow he uses ?
Anyone
Joe Poimbeauf gillo 27
Trad Tech limbs there. Use a riser that "feels right"
John, what is your bow poundage please.
He is righthanded. His arrows are 32" long and his draw weight is 50 lbs : google
It's a bit late, but in case someone else might be interested the following describes some of his setups. (Sidenote he used less than 50 lbs in these)
Lancaster Classic was my purple gillo 27", 12" stab, recurve RZ arrows, 37# otf ultimate pro limbs, and stringwalking
Vegas same riser, long rod vbars, RZ arrows, 39# otf Vera 2 limbs, and stringwalking
USA indoor nationals same riser, 2# weight, one inch shorter rz arrows, 39# otf Vera 2, stringwalking.
NFAA indoors same riser, 39# otf Vera 2, full length xbusters 300gr points, and no stringwalking (not allowed in chosen class)
I returned for every shoot. NFAA this year is my worst tune cause I don't have any options really to get point on with my lower anchor. Arrows are probably flying at about 120 fps. Lol
As for outdoors, i might just stick with last year's final setup. Same 27" gillo riser, 39# otf Vera 2, stringwalking, 650 nano extremes with 110gr points.
If I do change anything, it might be a slightly higher poundage maybe 41 or 43#.
source
tradtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88473
That is a good question. I'm usually all over the place depending on what I'm shooting. The last couple years for field I've been between 40 and 44#. Indoors I'm around 39#.
But his bow is PURPLE ... enjoyed video, very helpful.
I know the history of string walking and how it developed but there comes a point where it all defeats the purpose of barebow and we might as well just use sights, but if they like it then cool.
They should be a competitive division shooting with recurves but with instinctive aiming. Like traditional (with mediterranean or thumb grip) but with ILF risers and modern components. I like traditional horsebows but not using wood arrows, and I like ILF risers but not using sights or stabilizers. I like the sights in compounds but not the stabilizers. Essentially I depise any way of archery which makes the bow useless for hunting situations.
It is crazy that here in Poland we are not allowed to use string walking in bare bow competitions at all, where in the US the top archers even have markings in their tabs!
I wouldnt assume string walking bad, its just a technique. Marks may be forbidden, thats a possibility.
Kluxii no, trust me. It is forbidden in every 3d archery of field archery contest. You are desqualified if the assgned judge in your team does not see one of your fingers touching the arrow
Yeah. I was amazed to see the rest of the world stringwalking, while here in Poland it is strictly forbidden.
Didnt know that, im only a beginner so im just learning how to shoot barebow. Even though i was thinking about buying sight.
Kluxii I enjoy barebow shooting, but I can inderstand it can be disencouraging for a beginner to have a low accuracy in the beginning. I always reveal to beginners that stringwalking exists, how it compares with other methods, and encourage them to try it. Most of them benefit from the technique feom the start.
Interesting, 3 different anchor points.
He seems to like pink. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
A guy who likes pink is kinda weird. Maybe he is gay.
@@rumuelnathanael8043 John Demmer wears pink to honor his mother who he lost to breast cancer.
Heh, funny video ... the host compares Johns anchor on the cheek vs "olympic" anchor under the jaw as if that was something specific to the type of bow/shooting and then next go 2 girls that basically do the "olympic" anchor under the jaw yet string walk ....
Exactly! I would be very interested how this works for her, obviously she has to string walk quite long distances from arrow.
@tnj50 nice to know, I did not watch that event much.
Young ladies in the video need to use an under the chin anchor to get to a 50 meter point on. If they used my anchor in the video I'm guessing they would be closer to 35 meters point on. Picking your anchor point often is out of necessity to what you want for point on distance.
@@MmmmmmmmmmCookies Great info thanks. I have been a gap shooter for many years and am really enjoying string walking now. So what do I do for longer distances say further then 50m point on. Do I then gap shoot? Cheers.
@@Cuckoo_Nature_Hobbies I gap shoot. I'll start stacking arrow point to shelf for far distances well beyond my point on. Say 60 is my point on. 70 might be the self. 80 might be put the shelf on the target and see where thr point is and now move my shelf to that point and it's good
Bare bow, Too scary for me. 🙈🙈🙈
John Demmer should have his own branding, not wearing someone else's!
I'm losing respect for the so-called barebow archery competition. There's a lot of gear being used. Sorry, but if you can't pick it up barehanded with no crap attached and hit the target, then it's not barebow.
Y'all are sellouts.