They haven't won since 2023. They tripped into wins in 2024. Stefansky's offense is useless when you have continual injuries on the OL, and crappy QB play... not to mention a RB who runs slower than most linemen.
@@larryambrose2660 Chargers are a sneaky good team. Winston is playing for a contract elsewhere, so I'll guessing he'll put up some numbers in the straightaway to appeal to the Raiders or whoever. The Browns have no identity and Stefansky is toast. Get rid of Haslam, he's fuggin' clown.
Why Grossi keeps metioning him is curious. He always wanted the 6'4 pocket passer QB... but now he's all into 6'0 190 running-backs-who-can-throw players.
If the players have given up the players are the ones that need to go. If you compare the teams players to the other teams' players in their positions my guess is you will find the ranking would be very much the same as to the teams' records.
You shouldn't have to be tough on the players. They are adults and are supposedly professionals. If they need someone to be on their backs they should not be on an NFL team.
Taggert, are you kidding? Stefanski wanted Watson. He, along with Berry and Haslam were drooling over Deshaun after watching him with rhe Texans. The reality is, Stefanski is not capable of coaching high quality players. He is NOT head coach material anywhere beyond high school level.
@Shasta69 These fools want to pretend like Stefanski didn't want Watson from the beginning. This man single handedly tanked our team for a decade with his trash coaching abilities. How do i get 7 million a year to suck this bad? He needs to be gone yesterday. Clean House and Re-Build, the sooner, the better.
Why are these expectations for winston so high. When you throw for 400 yards and people say its ok. Like all qbs dont leave points or miss open receivers. The microsope is crazy for a team that has had remedial qb play. Like we get that all the time
"they" did the same thing with Jacoby Brisett. i even commented after MKC kept throwing in subtle 'jabs' after most of his starts. at this point, I'm convinced the Cleveland sports media is a psyop 😅
Why would anyone in their right mind think the browns have a chance on Thursday? They are going to get annihilated. At least browns fans get to watch one good team play football.
I wish these reporters would stop putting it in fans minds that Myles Garrett didn't do a good job every time he doesn't get sacks or tackles. Please don't run all of our great players away.
I agree u gonna run the few players that wanna be here away if anyone as a Cleveland fan doesn’t see that it’s sad Myles is a generational talent PLEASE DONT RUN HIM OFF BECAUSE HE DIDNT PLAY GREAT
@@dc7150Garrett is a great player so because he didn’t have one of his better games run him off so any time a great player plays bad run him out of town smh
How the heII could they not have anyone bird dogging Hill in that game? Schwartz as DC is inconsistent at best. Special teams has been a joke all year.
2 years in the playoffs sounds prepared. 1 year with an injured QB and no WRs. One year with a backup then a rusty QB. This year playing that same rusty QB and now a backup QB again. What do you expect him to do?
Only if they get somebody in the front office that knows talent. Most of the talent on the team was here before Berry was hired and are getting old. Even Garrett, playing with bad feet and basically doing nothing except in 1 game.
@@henrygreene7274 If I have one overall I'd probably trade out. Someone is gonna be desperate and wanna get one of the Colorado boys. There's no one I like enough to just use the pick on.
Yeah I wondered why Winston threw it away on the 2 point conversion attempt. But I think he had it in his head that he needs to get rid of the ball before he gets sacked, and it was almost like a reflex reaction.
He had some great times during the game. The one really good drive I thought maybe Otto Graham's ghost got into his body to help him. Most of the time he was pretty average at best. It seems like he is afraid to run when every receiver is covered which is about 2/3rds of the games. He was very lucky because he threw several passes to well covered double covered receivers.
Why do coaches always get blamed for what the players do? There is only so much a coach can do. The play is up to the player. If they can't do the job it is on them and they should be replaced. The good teams are the teams that have good players.
Stefanski sabotaged Baker but letting him get creamed by not protecting him with extra offense line help. Him and the entire organization are simply impatient . Look how Baker is doing now.
Stefanski's play calling is One of the best things he brought to the Team!? What a blind ass take. This is what's wrong with Cleveland football, how stupid can you be?
I think all the changes with position couches had a big effect especially offensive lines couch, they changed running backs coach also. That a lot of changes in one year it’s all DW fault but he played a big part
from COACH of the year to this ??? I actually feel sry for him,, has a team FULL of OVERPAID and UNDERPERFORMING STIFFS. Shows you how much power a HC actually has.
Winston will give us a better chance to win he’s up and down but when he’s hot he can win. I think Kevin knows he’s cooked and won’t be here next year.
Some of his game was hot and some of it was not hot. His problem is inconsistency. He threw an awful lot of passes to receivers that were double covered.
browns have no capital to get another QB in the next year near his level, esp in light of the rest of the team sucking so bad... fact. Stop the narrative that QB is the greatest need to use the paltry collateral/resources browns have left after the Watz debacle
Please someone ask or figure out why you win 11 games and you replace your offensive staff, what message does that send? How has that really impacted the team, obviously on the surface this was a failure.
DePodesta. If anyone should be gone, it's him. He acts like the smartest guy in the room but could probably get outsmarted by the average Madden franchise rebuilder
analysts/commentators need to stop treating him like a joke rather than the strength of the team right now and nitpicking a minor throw here or there in order to keep believing your narrative you've mocked him about for years unjustly... ridiculous
This organization has been an utter disaster almost every year for the last 60 years. Let that sink in. Insanity is watching a team do the same stupid stuff every year and expecting different results
I think this all might be knee jerk reaction. The special team, defense and DW4 lost the season. The earpiece in jimmy’s ear telling stefanski what to do is not his fault and replacing him with Vrabel thinking he is going to listen to Haslam is laughable, bring back Dorsey to push the Haslams to step back.
Still failin' for Cardalin' I see. I'm shocked Tony is looking towards skinny DTR... when Winston is exactly the QB he's wanted for over a decade in his 100 Years War. Look... bottom line is that Stefansky is not a good coach for QBs. He should be gone if they go 4-13
That wouldn't be Stefanski though. 4 complete years, 2 making the playoffs. Having to play 3 of those years without the starting QB in good condition. If they fire Stefanski he will go elsewhere and will be successful which will make the Browns look even worse.
This Browns season is a complete and total failure of their entire organization and their program. Period. Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski cannot blame Deshaun Watson for this season and get a pass. Deshaun Watson is not responsible for players quitting on this team. Deshaun Watson is not why the special teams is atrocious. Deshaun Watson is not the reason that Martin Emerson isn't an NFL caliber player anymore. This is an organizational failure and everyone should GO!
As a 35 year old Browns fan, honestly, I understand if the NFL wants to take the franchise back. I don't believe that within my lifetime we will have a team that anyone considers contending. So Im not sure what the point in talking about us is if it it isn't to contemplate the point of our existence.
Don’t let Vrabel out of the building! Next head coach.
He should be!
My opinion is Vrabel won’t work for a clueless meddling owner.
You want another fired HC? He will not be an improvement.
I would have no objection to parting with Stefanski. He’s got no backbone
" The team has forgotten how to win !" That's politely an understatement. The team's play is disorganized in all phases of the game.
The team is just not very good. The biggest problem is the Watson trade and having to play him until his injury has hurt the entire team.
They haven't won since 2023. They tripped into wins in 2024. Stefansky's offense is useless when you have continual injuries on the OL, and crappy QB play... not to mention a RB who runs slower than most linemen.
We need a new owner.
The QB threw for almost 400 yards no picks we beat them in the turnover department and still got blown out.
Exactly 💯
I think about 180 of those yards were on 2 drives.
@@larryambrose2660 Chargers are a sneaky good team. Winston is playing for a contract elsewhere, so I'll guessing he'll put up some numbers in the straightaway to appeal to the Raiders or whoever. The Browns have no identity and Stefansky is toast. Get rid of Haslam, he's fuggin' clown.
DTR is not a starting caliber QB. I wish he was but he's not😢
He was a starter in college and a good one.
Why Grossi keeps metioning him is curious. He always wanted the 6'4 pocket passer QB... but now he's all into 6'0 190 running-backs-who-can-throw players.
@@larryambrose2660He could not start on any Top 10 College Team right now. DTR is awful
I don't care what anyone says. You are not going to convince me that Jog Thornhill didn't quit.
Major "bust" acquisition by Berry! Berry should be gone.
That was a game that gets coaches fired. The players have given up.
Yep 🎯
If the players have given up the players are the ones that need to go. If you compare the teams players to the other teams' players in their positions my guess is you will find the ranking would be very much the same as to the teams' records.
Stinkfanski is not a elite HC and never will be
Im done with stefanski. I think he has lost the locker room. Id just give the job to Vrabel
When you cuck the HC by forcing him to play your bum QB, it's hard for coach to trun around and get tough on his other players
You shouldn't have to be tough on the players. They are adults and are supposedly professionals. If they need someone to be on their backs they should not be on an NFL team.
@@larryambrose2660 name me a great coach that wasn't tough on players
@@larryambrose2660tell that bullshit to Vince Lombardi, George Halas, Don Shula. Hank Stram, Mike Ditka ... and many others.
Taggert, are you kidding? Stefanski wanted Watson. He, along with Berry and Haslam were drooling over Deshaun after watching him with rhe Texans. The reality is, Stefanski is not capable of coaching high quality players. He is NOT head coach material anywhere beyond high school level.
@Shasta69 These fools want to pretend like Stefanski didn't want Watson from the beginning.
This man single handedly tanked our team for a decade with his trash coaching abilities.
How do i get 7 million a year to suck this bad?
He needs to be gone yesterday.
Clean House and Re-Build, the sooner, the better.
Why are these expectations for winston so high. When you throw for 400 yards and people say its ok. Like all qbs dont leave points or miss open receivers. The microsope is crazy for a team that has had remedial qb play. Like we get that all the time
"they" did the same thing with Jacoby Brisett. i even commented after MKC kept throwing in subtle 'jabs' after most of his starts. at this point, I'm convinced the Cleveland sports media is a psyop 😅
Jameis Winston current stats over 17 games:
Passing Yards: 5,440
Touchdowns: 34
Interceptions: 17
That’s horrible
Let’s see what he does against the Steelers when they bring the heat, NO didn’t pressure him at all
@@michaeledwards7501 He has a lot of time against NO, I was even surprised. He is way too inconsistent and is scary throwing into double coverage.
Why would anyone in their right mind think the browns have a chance on Thursday? They are going to get annihilated. At least browns fans get to watch one good team play football.
Steelers will go 1 and 6 down the stretch and miss the playoffs. Only win will be against the Browns in Pittsburgh.
@@mattarndt4452😂😂😂😂
I wish these reporters would stop putting it in fans minds that Myles Garrett didn't do a good job every time he doesn't get sacks or tackles. Please don't run all of our great players away.
Did you think he played well Sunday?
Garrett was ass yesterday. Keep it real
I agree u gonna run the few players that wanna be here away if anyone as a Cleveland fan doesn’t see that it’s sad Myles is a generational talent PLEASE DONT RUN HIM OFF BECAUSE HE DIDNT PLAY GREAT
@@dc7150Garrett is a great player so because he didn’t have one of his better games run him off so any time a great player plays bad run him out of town smh
Myles Garrett racks up meaningless sacks, and does nothing else. He is a mediocre player at best. TJ Watt is 100x the player Myles Garrett is
How the heII could they not have anyone bird dogging Hill in that game? Schwartz as DC is inconsistent at best. Special teams has been a joke all year.
Anyone got a time machine and the Money to buy the team in 1994?
😂😂😂 That was good
Grossi is about as exciting as Stefanski. He's soft along with Mary Kay Cabot.
Grossi and Mary K are the two worst in the business
Now the head coach has to be exciting? Hahahahahahaha LOL, unbelievable.
@@dalemiller7822 So you know everyone in that business well enough to make that judgement?
This is his 5th year and they are always unprepared
2 years in the playoffs sounds prepared. 1 year with an injured QB and no WRs. One year with a backup then a rusty QB. This year playing that same rusty QB and now a backup QB again. What do you expect him to do?
😂 Tony "Debbie Downer" Grossi. Winston did as well as Flacco. The defense and the special teams were awful.
Winston did not do as well as Flacco. Flacco won.
20 of 22 starters came back. Different people are oc ol coordinators. Chubb can't run from shotgun because they know it's a run.
The change of the coordinators was big. I didn't like it when they did it.
Something weird is going on... I mean, everything is going wrong... I mean everything
It's called Watson trade.
Something weird? They have sucked for 60 years. Its business as usual in Berea
I think we should look at Berry instead of Stefanski
Indeed. There are a LOT of stupid organizational decisions.
Both and DePO!
Both should be fired. They both are awful at their jobs
Stefanski never played the 1st string in preseason. How’s that working out?
Stupid and Stubborn! We've got as much or MORE injuries this year!
No good coach will want to come to Cleveland if they fire stefanski.
I don't see anybody better than him out there. I would sure like to have John Dorsey choosing the players though.
Bullshit. Any good coach knows Stefanski is incompetent and topping his WL record would be a piece of cake.
😂😂😂😂 Sure. Stefanski is awful at his job
@@cleveland2022 yeah, I guess losers just adore other losers.
For maximum organizational pain and maximum draft day leverage I need to see 2-15. They can remember how to win next September.
Only if they get somebody in the front office that knows talent. Most of the talent on the team was here before Berry was hired and are getting old. Even Garrett, playing with bad feet and basically doing nothing except in 1 game.
Who's the first pick if you have it?
@@henrygreene7274 If I have one overall I'd probably trade out. Someone is gonna be desperate and wanna get one of the Colorado boys. There's no one I like enough to just use the pick on.
Yeah I wondered why Winston threw it away on the 2 point conversion attempt. But I think he had it in his head that he needs to get rid of the ball before he gets sacked, and it was almost like a reflex reaction.
He had some great times during the game. The one really good drive I thought maybe Otto Graham's ghost got into his body to help him. Most of the time he was pretty average at best. It seems like he is afraid to run when every receiver is covered which is about 2/3rds of the games. He was very lucky because he threw several passes to well covered double covered receivers.
How in the hell is the special teams coach still here!!⚰️
Why do coaches always get blamed for what the players do? There is only so much a coach can do. The play is up to the player. If they can't do the job it is on them and they should be replaced. The good teams are the teams that have good players.
how many players have been let go from this team that looks like complete failure.?
They keep talking DTR...DTR hasn't showed me shit
He is horrible. I totally agree
Stefanski sabotaged Baker but letting him get creamed by not protecting him with extra offense line help. Him and the entire organization are simply impatient . Look how Baker is doing now.
Yeah look at him he is 17-23 as a starter since he left😂😂😂😂. Baker blows
Stefanski's play calling is One of the best things he brought to the Team!? What a blind ass take. This is what's wrong with Cleveland football, how stupid can you be?
It is mind boggling how stupid the Cleveland Media is about sports
I think all the changes with position couches had a big effect especially offensive lines couch, they changed running backs coach also. That a lot of changes in one year it’s all DW fault but he played a big part
from COACH of the year to this ??? I actually feel sry for him,, has a team FULL of OVERPAID and UNDERPERFORMING STIFFS. Shows you how much power a HC actually has.
Winston will give us a better chance to win he’s up and down but when he’s hot he can win. I think Kevin knows he’s cooked and won’t be here next year.
When you are down 3/4ths of the time it does not make for winning.
Only major change needed is firing Stefanski.
Some of his game was hot and some of it was not hot. His problem is inconsistency. He threw an awful lot of passes to receivers that were double covered.
Isnt DTR working to be a back up. Why do we need to give someone time to learn back up
browns have no capital to get another QB in the next year near his level, esp in light of the rest of the team sucking so bad... fact. Stop the narrative that QB is the greatest need to use the paltry collateral/resources browns have left after the Watz debacle
Please someone ask or figure out why you win 11 games and you replace your offensive staff, what message does that send? How has that really impacted the team, obviously on the surface this was a failure.
Watson trade again. They are so bent on making Watson good that they sacrifice the rest of the team.
DePodesta. If anyone should be gone, it's him. He acts like the smartest guy in the room but could probably get outsmarted by the average Madden franchise rebuilder
Fire Kevin
The Kamala Browns are a joke
I think DTR is made of glass.
@bjmartin1215 He's about 130lbs.
analysts/commentators need to stop treating him like a joke rather than the strength of the team right now and nitpicking a minor throw here or there in order to keep believing your narrative you've mocked him about for years unjustly...
ridiculous
This organization has been an utter disaster almost every year for the last 60 years. Let that sink in. Insanity is watching a team do the same stupid stuff every year and expecting different results
the browns will suck forever
Have sucked for the last 60 years and will suck for the next 60😂😂😂
I think this all might be knee jerk reaction. The special team, defense and DW4 lost the season. The earpiece in jimmy’s ear telling stefanski what to do is not his fault and replacing him with Vrabel thinking he is going to listen to Haslam is laughable, bring back Dorsey to push the Haslams to step back.
Replacing him with Vrabel thinking Vrabel is going to make the team better is absolutely hilarious.
This team is one of the biggest jokes in sports history. First time I’ve ever wanted the Steelers to destroy them.
Your wish just may come true. 😅
So you think it is worse than the 1-31 team. Lest we forget.
@@larryambrose2660 yes. Because this group of clowns has the highest payroll in the league.
@@brutussmithers6341They have the 2nd most salary cap space in the NFL
Saints stink and Browns got beat by them . I'm a Saints fan how bad are the Browns LOL
Same by the Cowboys😂😂😂
Still failin' for Cardalin' I see. I'm shocked Tony is looking towards skinny DTR... when Winston is exactly the QB he's wanted for over a decade in his 100 Years War. Look... bottom line is that Stefansky is not a good coach for QBs. He should be gone if they go 4-13
Hire Vrabel as HC, Saleh as DC and Belichick as GM. Jimmy you stay out of town and dont interfere.
Belichick as GM?😂😂😂😂
Promote Vrabel beg Dorsey to come back !!!
Myles Garrett Will have no problems Still being a part of the Cavaliers Ownership once he is With The Detroit Lions 🦁 because after this He Gone!!!😂😂😂
Have seen a lot of COO’s who couldn’t make the leap to being a CEO. It’s the same here with an OC who can’t make the leap to HC.
That wouldn't be Stefanski though. 4 complete years, 2 making the playoffs. Having to play 3 of those years without the starting QB in good condition. If they fire Stefanski he will go elsewhere and will be successful which will make the Browns look even worse.
Stefanski sucks as a play caller. He isnt even an OC
This Browns season is a complete and total failure of their entire organization and their program. Period. Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski cannot blame Deshaun Watson for this season and get a pass. Deshaun Watson is not responsible for players quitting on this team. Deshaun Watson is not why the special teams is atrocious. Deshaun Watson is not the reason that Martin Emerson isn't an NFL caliber player anymore. This is an organizational failure and everyone should GO!
Totally agree
Why y’all scared to say it, this new offense stinks!
Its the same offense since Stefanski has been here
Tony Grossi leads a life of exasperation. Everything disappoints him.
Get a new owner someone who understands football that didn't buy the team as a hobby
Clowns
As a 35 year old Browns fan, honestly, I understand if the NFL wants to take the franchise back. I don't believe that within my lifetime we will have a team that anyone considers contending. So Im not sure what the point in talking about us is if it it isn't to contemplate the point of our existence.
You aren't the only Browns fan. We lost the team once and I along with pretty much everyone else want the team to stay, good or bad.
@@larryambrose2660They could move tomorrow and I would help them pack
@@larryambrose2660They could move tomorrow and I would help them pack
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the problem is not stefanski ! he is being told what todo by dedeplsco and all the dum moves he has them do.