Why you should download all 230GB of Superior Drummer 3
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Every now and then, I get the question: "Do I need to download all 230GB of data when purchasing Superior Drummer 3 from Toontrack?" - Well, though it needs a lot of space on your hard disk drive and will take some time, it'll increase your sound options massively! In this video, I show you a few example on how to take advantage of all the additional room mics - and that you literally don't need reverb any more.
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Very nice video Mike! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks for your feedback on my previous question for you about the Alesis hats. ;)
Cool video, but i wish you would do a before/after back and forth A/B comparison at each step.
That is a ton of disk space. But makes sense though, great points man! :) Especially considering that having as much sound options with acoustic drums would require soooo much gear LOL
That’s a good point ;) And I don’t talk about the costs for this recording
Are the bleeds and battery rooms exclusive to the sd3 library original or are they can be used in other libraries as well? Like Evil drums or Rooms of Hansa?
I love all the room mics. I use a little sliver of each pair in most of my tracks, crush the shit out of the centre mono mic and then blend in my close mics for punch, attack and definition. I’ve spent 30 years as a drummer and traditional engineer, but I find myself regularly running drum performances through SD3 these days. No amount of experience gives me the chance or budget to record in these world class studios. This is the closest I can get. Can’t complain.
what a great tutorial ... many thanks!
where can i found collins kit???
Thank you so much
great video! how does the room mics work if you swap out drums on a kit?
But what about the addon packages do you need any of it if you plan on using another kit, and why are the addons so small if you dont? Metal Foundry is only 36GB where as death & darkness is only 183GB in comparison to the main package znd thats probably what im going to use mostly
The core library of SD3 has a bunch of room mics, hence the size of the pack itself.
i'm looking into getting either Superior Drummer 3 or EZ Drummer 2 - i'm a guitar player that's building a small home studio and i just need great drum sounds that will be triggered by a Roland V drum kit - what would you recommend? i'm using a UA Apollo X16 interface and Pro Tools - thanks
Hi Neddi, thanks for checking out. Well, depends on your budget. Do you play the drums yourself or do you set that kit up for drummers to record in your studio? I'd always go for SD3 for two reasons: 1. It's the industry standard drum software with endless flexibility and 2. you can buy and use EZDrummer2 itself and any expansion for EZDrummer2 within Superior Drummer 3, but not vice versa. You use an Apollo interface and Pro Tools, which shows me you know how to record and to mix - then Superior Drummer 3 is the software to go for you.
@@MikeLuke - after doing some more research i have to agree with your recommendation - thank you
Just go buy a one TB hardrive and problem solved
That's what I did, too. Not everyone might have the budget to invest in additional gear after purchasing SD3. Beside that, I know a lot of guys having a slow internet connection, so downloading 230GB can take a REAL long time.
I have a USB-C 8TB Drive with Libraries ( 1,2 and 5) and a 2019 MacBook Pro with only 8GB of RAM, do you think I should skip the surround libraries?
Hey guys I’m having installation issues of the core library with OS X Catalina I’m using the PM I had upgraded to SD3 from SD2 I’m doing every step on the tutorials it keeps giving me a config error saying install disk one I followed every step and I had no success thanks please help
I appreciate your quick and concise tutelage, I have learnt so much from just three of your SD3 videos. I will apply this new knowledge tonight to my mixes and I feel more confident in navigating SD3 now.
Thanks a lot for your comment. I try to help where I can. Hope your mixes got better.
Andrew Scheps uses a room reverb for this very purpose. Saves time, money, hard drive space and RAM. Here is the video where he demonstrates this.
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can I download to external drive and drag into DAW?
Thanks for the video. The extra microphones sound amazing. I'm going to install them right now!
Glad I could help!
Has to be loaded on the external drive for best performance
I still don't know how to do it I have to uninstall and
start all over again or call Sweetwater for assistance
Great explanation and demonstration, as always, Mike! I have a question: if I do download the whole 230GB, but decide to use only a few basic room mics in a sketchy project, say, can I do that? Do I just delete the channels that I don't need in the mixer and/or deactivate some bleed? Thanks!
Hi Adrian, thank you! All those additional room mics are disabled by default (just one pair of room mics is active). You can even hide all unused room mics when you don’t need them, so it’s quiet convenient to use.
Great, thanks for the quick reply! One more thing, I just had a look at your gear. Would you say your LaCie Thunderbolt external drive is fast enough to load those tens of gigabytes in reasonable time? I now have a Samsung External SSD, with USB 3 interface and it's getting full. But I'm quite short on the money for an external SSD, so I was wondering whether a HDD with Thunderbolt is "acceptable".
Well, I don't know what's "acceptable" for you, at the end it's personal perception. It takes some seconds to load the kit, depends on the kit itself, of course. I was never into the game of chasing every second or loading time. My Thunderbolt takes, I don't know, maybe 10 seconds to load a 1GB kit into RAM. An SSD may take 3-4 seconds less. It's a personal decision if someone is willing to pay the double price for a few seconds.
The 230GB are the full installation. When using, you usually need something between 800MB and 4-5GB, if you use a lot of room mics and bleeding.
Thank you very much for the details, once again!
Hi Mike. What if I just want to use other libraries such as Music City USA. which was made in a different studio, with different drum kits, different mics and different mic placements. Do I still need to install that 230gb part? which I think doesn't make sense because all the audio in the factory contents (Room mics, extra bleed etc.) were just from the drum kits of the Core Library. Correct me if wrong. Thanks. Nice and informative video by the way.
Hi! Well, in this case you just need to install the basic setup of SD3, of course. You‘ll still have overheads and room mics then, but not that many.
What OH? You mean third party libraries will also make use of the factory content mics and bleed?
morning.
this superior drums for mac????
thanks
You can alt + click solo, mute, or polarity invert (phase) to enable that on the selected channel(s), and SD3 will remove it on all other channels :)
That's a great tip, thank you :)
Thanks for the video, helped me to understand the microphones and the installing process.
It's enough to install first download with library and some room mic and oh and maybe the last one with more bleed, otherwise you might loose too much time with tweaking around, there is not just drums in a production. If you made a song consisting of drums only, adding so much room might be ok. But this huge amount of room will not give much space for other instruments. If I got a wav file of these drums, I would first use a de-reverb or transient designer to get rid of the room sound. It does not make sense to record "studio drums" for production in a large room, chambers and small rooms are for drums.
Hi Naji, well, I think this is a decision everyone can make on their own. I use those ambience channels rather often and there are a lot of occasions when you need more ambience. Not every drum sound in every song is about just a pair of room mics in a small studio. It’s about having options. And this software is not only used by common musicians who record and produce common music, but also for film composers, advertisers ... just to name a few.
Dude that's a lot of hard drive space. But it definitely seems necessary after hearing you explaining it.
Hi Michael, thanks. It's a matter of having options, simple as that. Usually I suggest to purchase an additional external hard disk as they are way cheaper - so all drum samples are stored externally. That's the way I do it, it's convenient to use.
Hey Mike, great video! Could you please tell your computer’s configuration? I have a macbook pro 2014 (16 gb RAM) and I cant record the superior drummer screen smoothly, I get pops and some delays. Im using Movavi to record the screen. Which program you use to record the screen? Thank very much for your help. Regards,
Hey, I use an iMac (late 2013), 3.4Ghz Quad-Core with 16GB of RAM. But more importantly for a smooth screen recording is a powerful graphics card, which laptops like a MacBook often don’t have. However, I don’t know exactly what causes your issues. I use Screenflow as a software.
@@MikeLuke Thanks for your reply, Mike! Will verify here, maybe change the computer to a new one.. my video card is simple, I think this could be the issue. Regards,
Mike you are guy that knows this edrumming software! Great lesson!
I‘ll make a video soon about how to use those kind of software when playing acoustic drums, Earl. So stay tuned ;)
Hey Mike! Awesome video! Super helpful. Do you happen to know how many round-robin samples per velocity layer SD3 generally has for each piece of the kit? I'm considering purchasing SD3, but want to make sure it has an adequate level of sampling per velocity layer to avoid having things sound "robotic".
If I recall correctly some kits feature around 30 round-robin samples per velocity layer
Yes, more RAM. I’ve heard even 16 isn’t enough. I have 8. Should I get 32 gb?
I have 16GB and it's enough for me. For RAM is the rule though: the more, the better.
can i use the presets without downloading all of the 230gb of core library?
It depends on the preset. Some of them use all the different room mics and microphone bleeding options. If you don’t download all, you cannot use them.
Very illuminating, thank you for the video!
If I would download the whole 230 GB it would take me more than 1 day.... 😏😱
It’s not so bad, I put the whole works on a Samsung T5 external, the ssd is fast I can plug it in mid project and it pops right up meanwhile I use EZ drummer to sketch and then load SD3 when I’m ready to mix I find it’s a fast work flow, but it can be addicting playing with all the options and there are many options as the vid shows, good luck
It'd take me like 5 hours
Why not just send your snares and toms to a tight room reverb instead of using so much disk space and ram to do it via superior drummer. All you are adding is a real room. I guess if one has made the leap to buy superior drummer, this is one of the things that one can say "justifies" the purchase. But is that really worth the extra ram, $$, and hard disk space?
It’s just about having options. A real room very often sounds more natural than an artificial reverb of any kind. In the end, it’s all about personal taste. It’s not mandatory to use it.
In the end, Superior Drummer is more than just a drum sample software to create common drum mixes.
@@MikeLuke that makes sense.
Nice... can i ask something... I'm intending to use SD3 to be triggered from my edrums and play live with it. So, is it necessary to install the full package? I suppose it is when you are intending to record and mix at the most professional level, but for now I just want a really nice sounding edrum kit to play live. I've already got EZdrummer 2 and I like it, but i've read that the whole playability is a lot better with SD3. thx very much in advance
you can get away with the core, it still sounds much better than any other library.
@@detuneCris thx man... I've purchased it a few months ago and I've been gigging with it... Freaking awesome!!
Are these parts universal for every drum kit expansion or only for the standard superior drummer 3 kits? For example if I don't install any of these but install a different 100gb SDX expansion, will it have it's own bleed and mics or do I lose out on bleed and mics?
It’s the latter. Every expansion has its own tracks and channels because they have been all recorded in different studios around the world. This video just talks about the core library that comes with superior drummer 3.
Hope that helps!
@@MikeLuke Thanks! It'll save me lotsa gigabytes leaving the factory SDX :)
dedicated my ssd for the whole 230gb. no regrets!
That's for sure the option. I have a common external hard disk drive, but connected via Thunderbolt, so fast enough for me. And as I have several TB of samples (almost all SDX & EZX packs), I needed more space than just 230GB. But 1TB SSD drives are barely affordable.
how do i download the whole 230gb? i cant find out how
Hi Mike. Is it possible to identify which soundb(number).obw files correspond to the kits that one uses the most?
Since I only use 4 or 5 kits and the electronic and metal ones don't interest me at all
Very cool information! Maybe one day, I'll have this program and it will make more sense
You use EZDrummer2 already, don’t you? So the next step would be Superior Drummer 😎
Crossgrade discount as well, you should upgrade really
Got it but been downloading it for 3 days now and still not done.
Dog9yne just started mine today. I see that this comment was posted 10 months ago. How long did it end up taking to download and install?
That all depends on your internet speed and hard drive speed which varies widely by region and hardware even in the usa I could get it downloaded and installed in like 7 hours tops that includes the whole libary being downloaded and also incudles time spent to unzip all the folders and install time
Hi Mike..Thank you very much for these very helpful videos.Do u think SD3 presets mixing is enough for release for radios..? For example George massenburg presets.(Gretsch,pearl)
Hi, well ...it depends on the whole mix, of course. The drums are at least a good starting point. The George Massenburg presets are more or less „cleaned“ versions of the default kits. I assume you‘d need to spend some more time on the processing. But there are tons of other presets included, the majority are mix-ready presets. But again, it heavily depends on the whole mix of the song. If just the drums sound good, it won’t be enough after all ;)
Thank you very much for your answer Mike..You right..it heavily depends on whole mix,stlye,song.etc..Can u tell me what are your favorite mix ready presets?For rock,pop rock..
Obed watched this now for the third time. I learn more each time.
Love the video mate!! I was just wondering myself if I needed all of those extra mics and you definitely nailed it! Many thanks for the video!
P.S. - SUBBED!
Very cool information. Thanks.
Hi Mike, since web you own most of the vsts, I was wondering which one got octoban samples?
Hi! Unfortunately not that many, for whatever reasons. The „Reggae EZX“ expansion from Toontrack has some, I usually recommend them as all EZX expansions work both in EZDrummer and Superior Drummer, so you can easily use them with all the other instruments.
For the other big drum VST called „BFD3“ there’s a dedicated expansion available, called „Decatom“, including 10 different sized Octobans - but you need to have BFD3 as a software included to run it.
@@MikeLuke thnx been asking everywhere about these... Maybe octobans aren't as popular as I thought.. I'm a big Portnoy fan
I watch almost daily. I’m just starting
Excellent lesson!
Hi Mike, been watching a few of your videos... thanks so much, very informative! I'm about to upgrade my home studio set up, thinking of getting the new Mac Mini M1 and also SD3! Would you recommend to get a computer with 1TB internal SSD and have all the 230GBs of SD3 samples on the internal drive... or maybe get a computer with just 256GB internal SSD (which I'd use for the OS, softwares like Logic, FInal Cut, Photoshop, all the plugins etc...) and then use external SSD drives for SD3 and to save all the files/sessions? Many thanks again :)
Hey Chris, thanks for reaching out! Well, I can just share my thoughts, in the end it'll be your decision, of course. But you might want to consider the following: Usually and based on my experiences you'll probably upgrade your arsenal with some expansion packs, which often have several GBs of data, too. So by storing everything internally, you'll quickly run into a situation in which your internal SSD is full and then you'll parts of SD3 internally and some other libraries externally. This works technically, but it's a mess. Hence I went the second path: I purchased a 1TB external SSD which exclusively contains all Toontrack libraries. Additionally, buying external SSD is usually cheaper than Apple's ridiculous pricing on internal SSD.
Hope this helps!
NICE VID MIKE, I LOVE THAT BIG SOUND! I WAS GOING TO DESIGNATE A WHOLE COMPUTER. WHAT SHOULD THE BARE MIN. SPECS BE ON THAT COMPUTER??????
i like how you have the default superior 3 kit behind you
is the core basic library (32 gigs) good enough sounds just to do some covers?
Yes, it will work for that purpose. If you just want to do covers, you might look at EZDrummer2 as it is much more convenient to use and sounds better right out of the box, because the samples are pre-processed.. Superior Drummer is more meant to be a full production software.
@@MikeLuke thanks
Take a dry drum set and make a good Song that sells, instead of hyping any room sound joe public does not recognize in any way. This is so stupid to hype a property of sound room for 99.9999% of the common music making ppl, or every one here is sitting in a 5Mio€ budget cinematic audio production?! Any audio production will be converted to joint audio mp3 for radio, youtube or television, so if you do use rooming overhead check for phase incompatibility at joint stereo.
Those extra room mics sound fantastic. And I like how you add just enough parallel track to spice up the track.
I've only downloaded three of the five downloads and haven't downloaded those two extra room mic packages. As always, thank you Mike for sharing your knowledge and experience with superior drummer.
well, maybe listen to these drum tracks, voca.ro/jsaV2Ybxls5 ; one plugin bviously has too much room sound, because it was recorded in a too large space it is SD3! First is SSD5, SD3, old and new vesion of AD.
the big room doesnt necessarily mean that its better, especially when it comes to drum sound. I find sd3 lib not very usable because of the room. The shells sound amazing but the room decay is too long for that explosive rock sound. and its a headache when it comes to fast parts. yes you can shorten the decay but it still does not sound like another room sadly.
Thanks for your comment. Well, it's about having options. It's always easier to have a big room and then bring all the ambience mics down (just using the Overheads, e.g.) instead of having a small room where you need to add artificial reverb. Of the the room determines the overall sound, so I understand Toontrack went into such a big room for their core library. However, there are some expansions for Superior Drummer where you can take advantage of smaller rooms: Progressive Foundry, Indiependent or Custom & Vintage.
For having explosive sounds on drum shells, I usually don't care about the ambience, I achieve that with compression.
Well I was talking about the room size mainly, mid sized reflective rooms are perfect for drums as the room is half of the drum sound in my opinion, so I like my rooms loud and fully featured. But yes for the dry 70s sound SD3 is grerat. I actually own the older expansions and prog sdx is a great eximple of a tight rock sound - not too small, not too big. Great lib. I just prefer the sound of those classic drum rooms they have recorded in previously (avatar, hit factory, sound kitchen, columbia, etc etc). SD3 ambience sounds like a cavern to me, and when you compress a room with a tail that long it becomes too mushy because all the stacked reverb tails and it becomes really noisy and undefined.
the pros of the library is that it was recorded rather soft, unlike the older libraries that are very limited in this regard. I like that its not all rimshots like the others
I got your points. When you look at all drum sample softwares (Addictive Drums 2, SSD4, BFD3) ... there is no perfect software. Honestly, if I had to pick just one library, I'd still go for the Avatar studios, I still love the NY Vol. 3 expansion. And the Rock Warehouse Studios are stunning. But again, it's about having options.
avatar is nice but its all rimshots and not much else unfortunately. the kicks sounding weirdly strange aswell. but the ambience is fantastic
Thanks for the interesting video.
Thanks for watching!
Very useful video Mike, thanks for sharing!🍺🤛
Awesome tutorial!! Great information 😉👍
it is achievable with 2 or 3 different reverbs, short, mid, long.
it does nothing for the problem that sd3 audio output is far too low in volume compared to any other drum vst- basically a waste of....everything
Thanks for your feedback though.
What do you mean? You can turn the output up or down. I always have to turn it down. Sounds like you might have a gain problem with the rest of your tracks.