Video gave me the chills too for many different reasons. Irish do have a long history in Mexico and thank goodness for that as that gave some of us the opportunity to be fortunate enough to be blessed with Irish blood.
Count on Ryland P. Cooder to cut to the truth. Who else in the vast American music scene would take on this project and handle it so gracefully? Thank you Padre Cooder and Padre Moloney!! Please dig deep into Ry's bag of music. It is all out there from the Purple Valley to Chicken Skin to Boomers Story to Bop til you Drop to Chavez to I'Flathead to Buena Vista. He is your ethnomusiclogy class in a treasure chest!
Esta buenisimo el video, he tenido la oportunidad de ir varias veces al museo de las intervenciones, e incluso he podido ver a la banda de gaitas del batallon de San Patricio, uno de los grupos que colaboro para este disco. MUCHAS GRACIAS POR SUBIR ESTE VIDEO. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO UP!
Great video,gave me the chills. The Irish have a long history in Mexico and LatinAmerica.A former president of Mexico by the name of Obregon or O'bregon was of Irish descent. Viva Mexico and Ireland.
Mexicans are often said to hate whites but we love the Irish. kinda funny isnt it. we love and respect those who did not come in conquest or to steal from the Native Americans. The Irish are our brothers and sisters in shared history, blood, and spirit. Thank you Ireland. San Patricio Battalion will never die so long as a Mexican or southern state Native American lives to tell your tale. viva Ireland! viva Mexico! may the story spread.
Thanks to all the Irish, Canadians, Germans, Italians,Americans and people from other countries, who left the unfair struggle of the United States against the Mexican people, thanks San Patricios.
Ireland and Mexico. Forever brothers in arms. Migration, famine, colonialism, religion and revolution. Mexico and Ireland will always be linked by a common history which makes us what we are today. Viva Irlanda, Mexico go bragh.
...Music (the Arts; for the most part) has a way to transcend barriers (and BS). I find it is always a great feeling to meet the 'simpatico' in others.
The text on the opening screen contains a slight error. These men were not "conscripts," they were recruits having joined the U.S. Army of their own free will. They may well have had good reason for defecting to the Mexican Army (where they showed great courage) but, still, they were not pressed into American service.
The American Mexican War [May 1846- July 1848] was taking place at the height of the Great Famine [1845-1849] Large scale migration to the U.S was after same! The stats were for Irish recruits in the U.S. Army for the year 1845. In the American Mexican war.. close on 80,000 fought on the American side 48,0000 Regular soldiers bolstered by 32,000 Volunteers...at the 'Battle of Chapultepec' near Mexico City on sept 12-13th 1847..Winfield Scott deployed13,000 troops in that battle..
Exactly... My family is basque and has lived in Chihuahua for 3 generations, and the same phenomenon can be seen today when our government has left us alone in the so called "war on crime". Our northern states and population have been terrorized by criminals for 2 years now, all this while southern states are calm and peaceful... They simply don't see us as part of Mexico in actual terms...
@malachy1847, you may be right about the famine refugees but 1815-1845 averaged nearly 27,000 Irish immigrants a year-mostly men. Your Army numbers are patently wrong. For the War the U.S. recruited 73,000 Volunteers-locally raised citizen soldiers, few if any were Irish. The Regulars went from ca. 7,500 to 27,000. We can both crunch numbers all day but there were no conscripts in the U.S. Army until the Civil War. The Irish who served the U.S. were recruits, not draftees. They chose to serve.
@malachy1847, the Mexican War commenced towards the end of The Famine when nearly 1,000,000 Irish came to America. The U.S. Army numbered under 7,500 men. Using your own percentages that calculates to ca. 1,500 being Irish or about .15% of all Irish immigrants. And they were recruits--not conscripts just as I stated in my first post. Now do you want to debate the definition of recruits vs. conscripts or something else?
And the worst part, is that we have to actually pay the government to have troops "borrowed" to give us some sense of "protection", all this while the issue of letting us arm ourselves and form a state or local militia is simply out of question for fear of separating from the Republic.
@malachy1847, I'm not sure what your point is. In 1850 10% of the U.S. population were immigrants and throughout the 19th Century foreigners made up a large percentage of the U.S. Army. Irishmen were in every Western army on earth, including the Mexican Army. The Mexican Army had quite a contingent of foreign-born officers and soldiers during this period including Vincente Filosola, an Italian-born division commander. The San Patricios were only unique for their valor. Isn't that enough?
@paulinspring The point would be .... you commented...... "Relatively few Irishmen Joined the U.S.Army" ...so history would tell us outherwise... there was a seriously disproportionate amount of my countrymen that seemed to have been recruited into the service of U.S. Army back then, relative to outhers.... Young Irish men recruited as soldiers used for the enforcement of that policy of Continental expansion under the banner of Manifest Destiny indeed 'poor boys fighting rich mens wars'
I suppose theoretically there could be such a thing as "economic conscription, but the Irish who arrived during The Hunger had other alternatives-- and relatively few military age Irishmen joined the U.S. Army. And this makes the ones who enlisted not "conscripts," but recruits. Honor them for their bravery but remember your description of "poor boys fighiting richmens (sic) wars," pretty much describes all the soldados commanded by Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.
@malachy1847, that was probably Grant's only political statement that anyone ever took seriously. My American Indian friends maintain that the U.S. stole the land--but from the Indians, not from Mexico. All we took from Mexico (for $15-million) was the option to steal the land from the Indians. And an old land grant family I know in New Mexico say they were never Mexicans, but Spaniards marooned in the wilderness. Every group has their own myhths--and all have reasons to believe them.
@paulinspringvery sound Comments.. It's important that People don't hold onto to prejudice like a misers coin.. and learn from the past .so as not to pass on hate unto future generations.. your last comment was similar to Roy Cooders as he talks @07 mins 45secs "The diasporic is never going to get back there"....
@malachy1847, you may not understand our Volunteer system. The States raised units to serve for 12 months or for the duration and those recruits were citizen soldiers. The Irish bon in them would NOT have been off the ship but members of the community. But all this begs the fact that there was no conscription in the U.S. until the Civil War. Can you not accept that the soldiers on both sides fought bravely and were dedicated to their cause? The soldados deserved better than Santa Anna.
.. I would agree that the Mexican people were badly served by likes of of Santa Anna... A young officer wrote of the war "One of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger nation against a weaker nation... It was an insistance of a Republic following the bad example of european monarchy in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory" his name Ulysses S Grant ...Sad really all these young men who died spilling their blood on to the soil that they would never own
The Irish recruits or Volunteers wouldn't have been just a.... FEW.. On Feb 11th 1847 Congress passed a Bill which called for the raising of 10 New Regiments one would presume that their might have been more than a mere sprinkling of Irish Blood in same.. What makes you think Volunteer Regiments were without Irish in their ranks...three of same were raised in NewYork, two from Michigan and one from Massachusetts all fertile Irish grounds even then ...
@paulinspring.... Manifest destiny.... was the order of the day what with President Poilk at the Helm marching onward westward.. as for few Irish recruits .. in 1845 a year pior to the War .. a massive 42% of inlisted men were from outside the U.S..... of which 50% were indeed Irish.... look up the History books written on same and this will confirm these facts ...
Video gave me the chills too for many different reasons. Irish do have a long history in Mexico and thank goodness for that as that gave some of us the opportunity to be fortunate enough to be blessed with Irish blood.
Count on Ryland P. Cooder to cut to the truth. Who else in the vast American music scene would take on this project and handle it so gracefully? Thank you Padre Cooder and Padre Moloney!! Please dig deep into Ry's bag of music. It is all out there from the Purple Valley to Chicken Skin to Boomers Story to Bop til you Drop to Chavez to I'Flathead to Buena Vista. He is your ethnomusiclogy class in a treasure chest!
Esta buenisimo el video, he tenido la oportunidad de ir varias veces al museo de las intervenciones, e incluso he podido ver a la banda de gaitas del batallon de San Patricio, uno de los grupos que colaboro para este disco. MUCHAS GRACIAS POR SUBIR ESTE VIDEO. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO UP!
Gracias Mr. Cooder...
Wonderful CD! Linda Ronstadt's track is so beautiful, the tears started without my even understanding the language--
Erin go bragh!, from México.
Beautiful album, can't stop listening to it myself. Viva Ireland!, Viva Mexico!, Viva Los San Patricios!
Great video,gave me the chills. The Irish have a long history in Mexico and LatinAmerica.A former president of Mexico by the name of Obregon or O'bregon was of Irish descent. Viva Mexico and Ireland.
Esto esta chingonsisimo.
Mexicans are often said to hate whites but we love the Irish. kinda funny isnt it. we love and respect those who did not come in conquest or to steal from the Native Americans. The Irish are our brothers and sisters in shared history, blood, and spirit. Thank you Ireland. San Patricio Battalion will never die so long as a Mexican or southern state Native American lives to tell your tale. viva Ireland! viva Mexico! may the story spread.
Thank you
Ya tengo mi cd, excelente!
Im So Proud to see 0 Dislikes on this Video Erin Go Bragh Irish Friends
Que padre no ver ningun Dislike en este video Viva Mexico Paisanos
Thanks to all the Irish, Canadians, Germans, Italians,Americans and people from other countries, who left the unfair struggle of the United States against the Mexican people, thanks San Patricios.
Ireland and Mexico.
Forever brothers in arms.
Migration, famine, colonialism, religion and revolution. Mexico and Ireland will always be linked by a common history which makes us what we are today. Viva Irlanda, Mexico go bragh.
@josemezatorrez Hola José,¿que maravilla verdad? Estes musicos son como hermanas y hermanos.
He comprado el CD y es una joya de verdad.
Cnto la music Mexicana y mi primo era Peadar O Cearnaigh!!!!!!
...Music (the Arts; for the most part) has a way to transcend barriers (and BS). I find it is always a great feeling to meet the 'simpatico' in others.
The text on the opening screen contains a slight error. These men were not "conscripts," they were recruits having joined the U.S. Army of their own free will. They may well have had good reason for defecting to the Mexican Army (where they showed great courage) but, still, they were not pressed into American service.
Viva mexcio. From ireland
The American Mexican War [May 1846- July 1848] was taking place at the height of the Great Famine [1845-1849] Large scale migration to the U.S was after same! The stats were for Irish recruits in the U.S. Army for the year 1845. In the American Mexican war.. close on 80,000 fought on the American side 48,0000 Regular soldiers bolstered by 32,000 Volunteers...at the 'Battle of Chapultepec' near Mexico City on sept 12-13th 1847..Winfield Scott deployed13,000 troops in that battle..
Exactly... My family is basque and has lived in Chihuahua for 3 generations, and the same phenomenon can be seen today when our government has left us alone in the so called "war on crime". Our northern states and population have been terrorized by criminals for 2 years now, all this while southern states are calm and peaceful... They simply don't see us as part of Mexico in actual terms...
@malachy1847, you may be right about the famine refugees but 1815-1845 averaged nearly 27,000 Irish immigrants a year-mostly men. Your Army numbers are patently wrong. For the War the U.S. recruited 73,000 Volunteers-locally raised citizen soldiers, few if any were Irish. The Regulars went from ca. 7,500 to 27,000. We can both crunch numbers all day but there were no conscripts in the U.S. Army until the Civil War. The Irish who served the U.S. were recruits, not draftees. They chose to serve.
@malachy1847, the Mexican War commenced towards the end of The Famine when nearly 1,000,000 Irish came to America. The U.S. Army numbered under 7,500 men. Using your own percentages that calculates to ca. 1,500 being Irish or about .15% of all Irish immigrants. And they were recruits--not conscripts just as I stated in my first post. Now do you want to debate the definition of recruits vs. conscripts or something else?
And the worst part, is that we have to actually pay the government to have troops "borrowed" to give us some sense of "protection", all this while the issue of letting us arm ourselves and form a state or local militia is simply out of question for fear of separating from the Republic.
@malachy1847, I'm not sure what your point is. In 1850 10% of the U.S. population were immigrants and throughout the 19th Century foreigners made up a large percentage of the U.S. Army. Irishmen were in every Western army on earth, including the Mexican Army. The Mexican Army had quite a contingent of foreign-born officers and soldiers during this period including Vincente Filosola, an Italian-born division commander. The San Patricios were only unique for their valor. Isn't that enough?
at 9:58 he explains whats happening.....I love sthis stuff!
@paulinspring The point would be .... you commented...... "Relatively few Irishmen Joined the U.S.Army" ...so history would tell us outherwise... there was a seriously disproportionate amount of my countrymen that seemed to have been recruited into the service of U.S. Army back then, relative to outhers.... Young Irish men recruited as soldiers used for the enforcement of that policy of Continental expansion under the banner of Manifest Destiny indeed 'poor boys fighting rich mens wars'
I suppose theoretically there could be such a thing as "economic conscription, but the Irish who arrived during The Hunger had other alternatives-- and relatively few military age Irishmen joined the U.S. Army. And this makes the ones who enlisted not "conscripts," but recruits.
Honor them for their bravery but remember your description of "poor boys fighiting richmens (sic) wars," pretty much describes all the soldados commanded by Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.
@EmeraldIsleStar Yes
@bravzi The Irish are the earth's true spirit of the fight of the strong to protect all from the opressors.
Great cd. But did you spot the error on one of the Lotería cards? It should be guitarra not guitara.
@malachy1847, that was probably Grant's only political statement that anyone ever took seriously. My American Indian friends maintain that the U.S. stole the land--but from the Indians, not from Mexico. All we took from Mexico (for $15-million) was the option to steal the land from the Indians. And an old land grant family I know in New Mexico say they were never Mexicans, but Spaniards marooned in the wilderness. Every group has their own myhths--and all have reasons to believe them.
@paulinspringvery sound Comments.. It's important that People don't hold onto to prejudice like a misers coin.. and learn from the past .so as not to pass on hate unto future generations.. your last comment was similar to Roy Cooders as he talks @07 mins 45secs "The diasporic is never going to get back there"....
@malachy1847, you may not understand our Volunteer system. The States raised units to serve for 12 months or for the duration and those recruits were citizen soldiers. The Irish bon in them would NOT have been off the ship but members of the community. But all this begs the fact that there was no conscription in the U.S. until the Civil War. Can you not accept that the soldiers on both sides fought bravely and were dedicated to their cause? The soldados deserved better than Santa Anna.
"¿Donde esta el parque?"............. "Si tuviéramos parque usted no estaría aquí"
Churubusco
.. I would agree that the Mexican people were badly served by likes of of Santa Anna... A young officer wrote of the war "One of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger nation against a weaker nation... It was an insistance of a Republic following the bad example of european monarchy in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory" his name Ulysses S Grant ...Sad really all these young men who died spilling their blood on to the soil that they would never own
The Irish recruits or Volunteers wouldn't have been just a.... FEW.. On Feb 11th 1847 Congress passed a Bill which called for the raising of 10 New Regiments one would presume that their might have been more than a mere sprinkling of Irish Blood in same.. What makes you think Volunteer Regiments were without Irish in their ranks...three of same were raised in NewYork, two from Michigan and one from Massachusetts all fertile Irish grounds even then ...
@paulinspring.... Manifest destiny.... was the order of the day what with President Poilk at the Helm marching onward westward.. as for few Irish recruits .. in 1845 a year pior to the War .. a massive 42% of inlisted men were from outside the U.S..... of which 50% were indeed Irish.... look up the History books written on same and this will confirm these facts ...