3 Tips For Better Stick Rebound - Drum Lesson (Stephen Taylor)
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It's refreshing to finally find a teacher that actually wants to help you become a better drummer. I get that from your videos: that you actually care. You are a damn good teacher. Your tangible students are among the luckiest future drummers in the world, in my humble opinion.
I think so too! Greetings 🤘🏼🫶🏼
I'm a scientist, and rediscovering my love for drumming. I've been watching your channel getting some tips as I journey back into the instrument. This vid really clicked (no pun intended) with me. I loved the scientific approach and the logic. I think you just sold me on signing up for lessons on the site. Thanks Stephen. Oh, and good job on paraphrasing the laws.
ypopi Ha! Glad I passed the test on the explanations. So glad the lessons have helped as you've been rediscovering things. If you do sign up, let me know via email. I have a full course on hand technique that breaks apart the various strokes.
I haven't played since 1975 when a car wreck killed everyone in band except me but it broke my neck I found a Yamaha kit pretty cheap so I decided to relearn drumming and this channel is helping me a lot. Be glad when I can get my last two cymbals to complete my kit
I’m sorry to hear that John. I have a few friends that have had tragic wrecks on the road similar to yours. I hate that happened. On a more positive note, I’m stoked you’re back in the family and drumming again. The fact that my channel is helping at all is humbling to hear. There are a lot of free resources on my website as well. Be sure to take advantage of those. Hope you hunt down those two cymbal soon!
John Speer Jesus Christ man, I’m so sorry
Well that sucks
It's too fucked up how many friends die that were good musicians.
Keep going John. I'm buying a kit any day now. Been since late 80's for me.
Hey John, i just realized this comment is 4yrs old after i started writing this reply so i doubt your still in need ? But if by some chance you still are in need of a couple cymbals to complete your kit ? Please reply here with whatever cymbals or other hardware you still need and id be happy to dig through the handful of extras i have and donate them your way ? I have a bunch of extra gear in my storage.
I've been drumming for a little over a year now, no lessons, just RUclips and this video changed the way I interpret playing drums. Thank you so much for all the great content you produce.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge/experience. I am working on a comeback on the acoustic drums and your video’s are inspiring 🙏🏽🥁🎶✨
I just turned 65 years old. I have been a guitar player for over 50 years. Now just starting to play drums. Thank you so much for a wonderful lesson and great explanation. Very excited to learn a new passion. Just wish I started 60 years ago. Ha Ha
Nathaniel Sanders Colonel Sanders never fried a piece of chicken until he was over 50 and he did ok 😜
A lot of what you know from guitar will transfer over. The musical things. The technical side will be a challenge but I think you're up for it. It's inspiring to me that you're still wanting to learn and better yourself. After all of these years.
Same here Nathaniel !! And I'm enjoying every bit of it !! Cheers.....
Hands down you’re an amazing teacher. Your knowledge and talent are greatly appreciated 🙏🙏
Thanks so much Andrew
A very good freind of mine gave me my very first drum kit. Then i browse for druming leasons and found this chanel. I thing all the momentum came toward me to finaly learn druming. I will apply your approch to my first step into it. Awesome work your doing on your chanel. Ill keep you posted on my progression. Thx
Love it! This keeps me focused on relaxing more while playing at gigs.
Thank you!
I love that you don't focus on exercises! if you just jam while being conscious about these then its better than 50 exercises!
I just started 30 days to better doubles. Thank you so much for providing this free resource. It's really helping me figure things out.
One great teacher, thank you
Explained so well
Enjoyed your positive resource and educational focus, something I’ve working on myself. Thanks for sharing👍 cheers Bruce
Thank you so much for your videos!
Great lesson - thanks
Great info. You have an awesome way of communicating that makes stuff super easy to understand. Good thing, I had to listen because of my eyes....so much knee cap...the world got fuzzy....ahhhhhbhh
That is so Sound thank you for the truly good advice
Great info Steve!
Thank you so much
Brilliant!!!
Such a great concept that many of us don't do. I was working on this exact thing a few years back myself and it really opens up your playing, but the great benefit I got from it was now being able to play relaxed. It's so easy to push out grooves or cram so many notes into a measure and force it, which then tenses you up. In turn, that creates the injuries. I now have a completely different mind set to drumming, of just being 100% relaxed, and the main cause of that is utilizing that rebound and laws of physics to play what I want to play and be able to express myself.
Matthew Parsons Couldn't agree more. It really opens things up in a number of ways.
This is probably one of the most important videos to show to any beginner, even intermediate level drummer. Love your work Stephen
First video of yours I've seen, much appreciated. I like the emphasis on the fundamentals of the drum stroke, it's helped me examine my own technique. Keep it up, for all us novice drummers!
john johnothan You bet John. So glad it helped my friend
Great elessons man! thanx, miproving a lot with this
Thanks!
Thank you
you are the best teacher i have found keep it up
Gino Julius thank you!
Excellent stuff! Some time long ago I learned about holding the stick lightly at the balance point, mainly between the thumb and forefinger as if it were drumming with a pencil. I think it was from Bill Bruford, either after a small club King Crimson show or reading an article. Made all the difference for rebound, feel, and speed.
Hi Stephen, thanks for the tips.
Alexander Valverde Cordero You bet Alexander
I really really love your videos dude!!
Thank you Stephen
rhythmantic - Sal D'Amato you bet Sal
Stephen, LITERALLY every point you made in the video (apart from Newton's Laws), from seesaw, to fulcrum, to balance points, letting the stick do the work, having students say they know rebounds but then hit every stroke etc is what I say to my students. It's actually pretty surreal, and while watching this video i'd chuckle to myself every time you made a comment that I make during my lessons.
Lol, yea, the Newton's laws goes a bit deep, but it gives the framework. Glad to know we're on the same page! And thanks for teaching deeper topics to your students. Need more teachers like you out there.
Just started drumming again after an age and this is exactly where to start back! Technique is better honed sooner than having to break old habits. Instant subscribe. ^___^
It is THE number one place we can focus to see the biggest changes
As a performing drummer who suffers from tremors due to Anti-epileptic medications, I always look for tips on how to improve my grip. I especially liked your approach, because you gave us a no-nonsense explanation, and didn't simply suggest the latest drum workshop technique.
Amazing lesson thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
really helped!
Rick Mulligan Glad to hear it Rick
This lesson together with the Fulcrum lesson you did made me understand that this way of holding the stick where the index finger is kind of pointing 'down' towards the drum head (as seen by e.g. Ted Reed, George Lawrence Stone) allows the stick to pivot on top of the middle finger (much like on top of the index finger in French Grip) and just cradled by the other fingers. The stick is not held in a tight fulcrum between thumb and middle finger. With this things like the free stroke and multiple rebounds come closer within my reach. Thanks Stephen!!
Mike Veldink You made my day Mike. So glad these couple of videos have opened up some things for you.
Great lesson that Stephen, I've worked a lot on stick control, rebound and various rudiments to improve, always a pleasure to see new and great ideas, will be giving this a go, Got the same kneecap problem haha 😂
Thank you Stephen. Thank you so much. I thought my Moeller technique was killer because I had such a wide range in my hands for the stick to move, but I now know I still grip it too tight because my forearms and certain muscles would tense up. Even though I felt loose, that energy traveled right back up the stick and would make me sore.
I've watched this video like 5 times and started holding my sticks just below the point of "flying out of my hands" loose, and now everything sings. My arms feel better too!
Sidenote: self-taught drummer for 20 years now, probably should've had a lesson on grip ;)
Glad it helped Chris
Thank you :')
More bang for your buck ! ...got it..
Amen Amen Amen 👏👏👏
Hi Stephen, can you break down the single/double stroke roll into the various phases (wrist, rebound, fingers) many thanks
Dude, Newton and preservation
Your videos are so good and I wish I could study with you in person. Really want some advice on this exact topic as to my playing right now. Thank you for your help on video though! Really appreciate it.
You're more than welcome Diamo.
And just fyi, the members on my website can submit student review videos and material at any time. I film my thoughts and get them back to you. And if it's a really in depth issue that warrants it, I get on live with you to trouble shoot things.
Wow, that's really interesting and sounds like something I would like to do. I was testing out the video on my camera yesterday and if it works then I will look into signing up :)
Oh wow Stephen - in my opinion one of the best and most valuable videos for drummers ever and about hand technique. On point as f***. Great explanations and demonstrations, great teacher and: i personally love your style of makin´videos, your honest approach, your sense of humor (and that you don´t care about the "haters").
And what no-one seems to see or think about: You´re the one successful teacher on RUclips and in the online biz, who has 3 kids and a happy marriage and family life goin´ on. You care about many other things in life and your house and own studio and so on.
That´s a whole other story than the most youngsters and Social Media stars nowadays.
So - you´re a great inspiration for me and my videos and as a student of your "The Art Of Pratice"-Course i can say: Worth every penny and an in-depth study. I can recommend that course to everyone who wants to take it to the next level. Steven has made a great job in putting this together and even answered some questions with personal mp3.-notes by email.
Keep it up, all the best for you all and a big drummer-hug from Germany!
Jochen
Thank you my friend. You made my night.
@Stephen Taylor Your welcome and it´s well deserved! All the best and see you in the next video 😜
Great video. And you are totally right. All those techniques don’t work without the free stroke. I realized that after 25 years.
Stephen, I've ALWAYS struggled with getting the same level of control with my weaker left hand than I get with my right. As a consequence I 'crush' the left hand and don't get the rebound or if I do, I lose stick control. Can you offer any tips on getting the balance between lose and over tight to get the right amount of rebound/control?
THANK YOU for this(-:
Daniel Alcala You bet Daniel!
I was just re-working through "Practical Method of Finger Control" copyright 1958 by Roy Burnes and Lewis Malin. It was published by Henry Adler NYC, NY. It is very much the same as Stephen just explained. It is helpful for me to refresh on finger control every so often. Thanks Stephen
Bruh blew my mind, drumception.
Hi Stephen - I`ve started using 5b sticks as opposed to 5a`s when practising to strengthen fingers and wrists. Do you think this is a good aid when learning technique? I`ve only been playing about 5-6 months. Thanks Nick
Stephen are you familiar with the Murray Spivack Technique? Interesting since it's a 3 point fulcrum
69k views, nice and useful video
Just letting the stick do its thing,,, BOOM bOOm boom 💥
I always say: drums play themselves.
If anything one is only there.to guide the stick. Here, wherr I live; Veracruz, Mexico, I'm getting a lot of shit because of that comment. What I've found is that certain individuals manhood is somehow measured by how hard they hit the drums and how many strokes you can play in a measure and its a breath of fresh to know someome, somewhere in the world, knows exactly what I'm talking about. Seriously, thanks!
Weirdo
Hey Stephen. My problem is, that i get the rebound on my pad but not on my kit... i mean its there but not enough... may i tune my set up to tighten up the heads to get better rebound? Greets from germany
Hi , i cant get the same rebound on my snare than the one i get in my practice pad. Is this normal or do i need to crank up the tension? Or need another snare?
I have a mid 80´s tama royalstar kit. Not quite the modern Starclassic ;-)
Hey Stephen, is there any reason to choose practicing on the practice pad over snare drum when you have ready access to both other than noise levels at time of day?
When I'm practicing technique, I don't want the distraction of the sound of the drum. Or the other shiny things sitting there waiting for me to hit them. To focus deeper, we don't try harder. We remove distractions. The focus comes automatically then.
Can you do a lesson on rebound on an actual drum as it's vastly different playing a nice bouncy practice pad to playing a real drum especially if it's tuned low ?
Gretsch Drummer I'll see what I can do. I will say, until you master the basics of this concept on a pad you'll never be able to transfer it to a drum.
Stephen I agree, I've spent endless hours on my practice pad but I find it difficult to transfer to the snare drum, unfortunately I'm one who doesn't crank the snare right up which makes it really hard ! I'm looking forward to seeing your lesson on this topic one day.
Thanks so much for posting all your video's I've certainly learnt a lot from them.
I have to disagree with that statement.....I mean how do you explain the speed and accuracy of some of our iconic drummers. Have you ever seen a video of Buddy Rich on a practice pad. Personally, I don't use rebound or a practice pad if I can help it. I have always practice on a pillow or whatever unforgiving surface I can find. I nor any of my students over the years have ever complained of the injuries you spoke of in this video.
As a near-absolute beginner, I find the one thing that makes a huge difference for me is having my wrist really low when the stick hits the drum: the nearer the stick is to being parallel to the drumhead when it hits, the stronger the rebound. If your wrist is so low that you're worried about accidentally hitting rimshots then it's low enough. (And it may be obvious, but it took me a while to realise that if you want the opposite effect, if you want to hit a strong downstroke *without* a rebound, then you should *raise* your wrist so that there's a relatively wide angle between the stick and head when the stick hits.)
I forget who said it but...Someone once said that you must tune the drums for sound AND feel. Meaning that if you tune it so low that it doesn't feel good/you can't play what you want to play then you must tune to feel as well.
What are some common reasons for slicing? Not straight up, straight down motion. But rather more of a circular motion
Back to Newton not Freddie Gruber! lol Some will get that. Full Stroke most ignored but mission control center for all else...I would add one word here...BOUNCE...practice on a mattress for form (min bounce/rebound) to get the flow down SLOWLY so you know when you get off on pad/snare/bounce surface...it's about developing the correct FEEL and body awareness (when you start to tighten...pay attention rather than muscle through
In anatomy of drumming I learned to hold the stick super loosely to where it almost falls out of your hand
Todd Daniel That's a great book. And yes, that's the idea. You really only want the hand involved as much as it needs to be. Obviously it has to always be involved in some way. But we tend to want to take control and over involve it in most things.
Hi Master, is that a Practice Drum that you are hitting on? What's it called pls? Thanks
Hey Sujaya...that's my Real Feel practice pad. I've had it for over 20 years and it's still going strong. I begged my parents for it and promised them I would get their money's worth out of it. It cost them $45 (a lot at that time). It's helped feed my family of 5 now for over 17 years...so I would say it was a good investment on the part of the grandparents ;^)
How do some of the drummer that are really good control their rebound when they are holding the stick from the bottom? Not in the exact fulcrum?
Having some issues with getting rebound in my weaker hand... what do you suggest
Keone Guy Isolate that hand. Practice it twice as much as the right. Or only the left for a week or so. Your right hand gets a lot more playing time than your left. We have to make up for that in our practice time.
Hi Stephen, how do I get better at jam sessions? I play for over 10 years but always in a band. However when I hit the stage with unknown guys (open jam session in local bar for everyone) I feel like I've lost all ideas for grooves, lost all my feeling and play like on autopilot. This is very frustrating for me also happened recently. How do I improve on this?
Set up a "jam session" time in your practice time. Take songs that you know and jam over them, improvising parts as you go. If you can, get friends to come over and jam live with you. It's just like anything else, you have to practice the improv part and responding in real time.
I can’t make it with my left but i can make it perfectly with my right.
How do i fix that ?
You just need to spend a lot of time practicing it on your left. No shortcut there
when i get some extra money i will definitely be ur student
do you find maple sticks send less shock to arm ?
tbh Frank, I don't like the feel of maple sticks. So I really can't speak to this as I haven't played with maple in probably 15 years. Sorry
Frank Dasaro , order a Cookiepad from Russia. it's made of special material which lets you play without harming yourself! and it's silent :)
Can you be to loose tho like if you keep dropping the stick
Az The Drummer Absolutely. When working through these techniques and learning to utilize rebound, that is one of the issues you have to address. What is the "right" amount of grip to maintain. After you mess with it enough and drop enough sticks, you will begin to walk that line. When I first started revamping things, that was a very frustrating curve for me to get over. I was gigging every week and tearing my technique apart during the day. So I would go in for a gig and really have a rough go of it technique wise. That was one of the issues that I had to tackle first for obvious reasons ;^)
Drummers teaching physics, now I have seen everything. (insert drummer jokes here)
Great Lesson!
Did you here about the drummer that locked his keys in his car? It took an hour to get the bass player out. What was bad is, it was raining and he had left his windows down and everybody got soaking wet.
Larry Casteel Did you hear about the bass player who was so depressed about his bad timing that he threw himself behind a train...
Not until just now. I love your vids, Stephen. Keep up the great work.
Oh ya baby talk entropy to me.
Hello Stephen, love the videos. I was wondering if you do Skype lessons. Basically, I am looking for something more personalized. I was born with CP so my wrist fingers and feet all have limitations. Essentially, my technique is awful because of this and I have kinda found my own way of playing. I know this has hurt my playing a lot and I'm working way too hard. I have tried many technique lessons like this one and I am not seeing the results. I have been working on this issue for almost 20 years now. I'm wondering if my physical issues won't allow me to get any better than I am now. I think having someone examine my technique might help me get over this huddle. Thanks in advance and love your videos.
Michael Hall Hey Michael...Yes, limitations or no, I think you need to have someone examine what is going on in your technique. Email help@stephensdrumshed.com and let's see what we can do.
Yes I have limitations. I emailed you. I can send you links of me playing so you can see what I am talking about if that helps.
Michael Hall Great. I don't check email over the weekends but I will get back with you next week.
How is rebound done on a hihat? Having my wrist pointed down stops the bounce too soon
If you adjust where your fulcrum is, it shouldn't stop that rebound.
thanks! i also notice the faster the speed the less the height of rebound. is that normal that the full stroke height decreases proportionally to speed or should height of rebound stay same?
As soon as you started playing at the end there? I just had a million more questions (your one wrist looked like it wasn’t moving, the other one was a little, should I be lifting my arm? What about songs where it is a series of single strokes, don’t you WANT to stop the rebound?). So confusing. *sigh* Just got seriously interested in drumming about a month ago and thought I would wet my feet with some beginner videos (I play other instruments), but they all just convince me that this is something I will NOT be able to do on my own. I need someone in the room with me, saying move your hand, change your grip, little too hard, shift this....*sigh* This makes me sad, because I can’t do in-person lessons right now. 😞
7:30 So, is that a full stroke and you're just letting it bounce naturally, or are you doing more of a downstroke/controlled full stroke and using your fingers for the strokes in between the Moeller?
Andrew Romanowski I don't think of that as a full stroke. I think of it as a condensed Moeller stroke in the right hand, letting the stick bounce naturally and just controlling the tempo of that bounce. In the left hand I played everything with the fingers at first. Then switched to more of a full stroke throw (Moeller) like I was doing in the right hand. Make sense?
Stephen Taylor Like a continuing Moeller wrist pump? Similar to like, revving a motorcycle?
Andrew Romanowski Yes, but I think of it more like a continual wave in a rope. It compliments the motion more and that visual helps me attain a smoother continuance in sound. The motion would be similar to revving a motorcycle, but Moeller involves more than just wrist so a bit different. But that's the initial idea.
Stephen Taylor Perfect analogy! Thanks.
Is there any one out there
Do sticks get chewed up because your technique is causing too much energy to be absorbed by your sticks? I've had the same pair of sticks for 2 years, play all the time and they are barely chipped.
Hey Tim...great question and I have an answer for you...a few years ago when I revamped my technique I immediately noticed a difference in my sticks. They still got chewed, but not to the extent that my older ones did. And they stopped splitting in the middle from rim shots. I could play a hard hitting 4 hour gig and just have some chipping around the top but no splitting. So yes, I believe grip has a lot to do with stick life. That's just from personal experience.
Ive had no pain for years....thought my technique was ok....but a few days ago my wrists hurt while playing. I learned years ago to let the stick bounce like a basketball....let it do its thing. Not sure what happened.
Blake Gowan It happens to all of us. My issues came on when I was playing bigger venues and more focused on "show" than on keeping form. Nothing wrong with that...unless the habits stick. Good news is, you know where the issues are. Just be patient with it.
Dat knee cap tho!! ;)
This is very poignant!
Thanks for reiteration on these critical points
Cool, didn't know Connor McGregor was also a drummer :p (love your channel Stephen hahaha)
But he's definitely not a boxer....
Too soon?
Stephen Taylor Too late Stephen, should've reminded him of his capabilities
Lol
For rock drummers - a lot of rebound problems occur because we tend to tune our batter heads a little looser
cephoras Sure...there's is a reduction in rebound but it's definitely still there. The idea of rebound will adjust with each sound source you play because, as you pointed out, all surfaces on our kit are different.
IS THIS IS THE SAME TECHNIQUE THAT DOM FAMULARO USES?
‘more buck for your bang’ more like 🤣
Oh I had no clue about this, first time when I was hitting the sofa with chopsticks, it started rebounding I was not sure if that should be part of playing or I was doing something wrong😄😆 I continued with it as it was sounding really good. After seeing this Video I feel better that it was ok😂
Rebound is more than ok!
Thank you for clarifying my doubts😃
Cool lesson.
It seems like you want to say a lot of thing in a short video. This issue deserves a longer version, so you can talk what is in your mind whitout the rush.
David Alarcón You are correct. It deserves hours worth of explanation. I do have those on my website. This is just meant to get the juices flowing about the topic.
45 minutes a day? And this is why I fail 😔
10 minutes? Hell, that's too much for 3 tips.
Why am I watching this? I'm a guitarist...
Ah ok
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Too much talking not enough demonstration!
great lesson in theory , but again misleading.you explain the fulcrum between your index finger and thumb which is the standard fulcrum.With you moeller example 30 seconds later your fulcrum has changed....your holding between your thumb and middle finger, your index finger is isolated away from the stick.It makes sense in your head but for a beginner its misleading and not concise.Relating to laws of physics and energy is all well and good but you have to preach what your saying.....as you are using a visual and not executing what you are saying.Sorry for being critical.....it dosent add up what you are showing and talking about.
Steve steve Hey Steve...when I demonstrate my fulcrum (the see saw explanation), it is very much between my middle finger and thumb. My index finger is simply laying against the stick. It by no means is the fulcrum point. That's why I then isolate the fulcrum a few seconds later to show exactly where it is. Because in the initial see saw demonstration, from the front angle, it isn't clear. Just because my fulcrum is on the middle finger does in no way mean that the index finger will not be on the stick. I wouldn't demonstrate my index finger as the fulcrum because it never is the fulcrum in the German or American position. In French, my fulcrum will move to be positioned on the index finger. But that grip is not used in this lesson. I very much practice what I preach. I wouldn't put a lesson out on it if I didn't. Good discussion though.
Would prefer less all and more actual stick work, not being mean but too much talk distracts from understanding the actual moment required. More stick work (slow motion video included) would be more educative.
This is purely my opinion.
Talk to much..minimize action
I talk as much as I feel is needed to convey the info. Totally understand that for some, that's too much. Thanks so much for watching my friend!
10 mins of blah blah blah and more blah blah blah... Just show the damn rudiment and teach. Stop preaching. 🤨
I’m not showing a rudiment in this lesson. If you would have listened to what I was saying, you would know the lesson is about improving your use of rebound from the stick. Not a rudiment.
Mad respect, totally understand not wanting to listen to taking. But sometimes it takes talking to explain things. That’s the case here. Thanks for checking out the lesson my friend.
@@StephenTaylorDrums ANYTHING that u do on a practice pad is a rudiment my friend. Let that sink in. Even a simple stick rebound is a rudiment because u have to practice it in order to perfect the action, just like all the other rudiments. You have a great channel but you just seem to like talking a lot. Less is more.just my 2cents, Peace out.