Mr robot’s so awesome because of all the foreshadowing and how the truth is there from the very beginning. It makes it hit so different on rewatches, seeing all the hints you missed
your reaction videos for this show had been *SUCH* a joy to watch, honestly this level of quality is great! look forward to following you along on Dark! Also letsgo Daredevil is one of my favourite shows too!
White Rose is set up as kind of a parallel to Elliot. White Rose also experienced trauma, was disillusioned by society, filled with rage against it's injustices, and had a fantasy of making the world a better place. White Rose's journey ends with her finally embracing her true identity, similar to the reintegration of Elliot's personalities. But she does not let go of her grandiose redemption fantasy, doesn't embrace reality, and chooses a tragic end. I think it's supposed to show what happens if the Mastermind never relinquishes control.
I'd be really interested to see the perspective of a trans person that watched this show. Trauma and identity do intertwine in complex ways, but it is fraught setting up an implicit connection between gender identity and dissociative identity, and mental illness more generally. As is casting a cisgendered actor. And making her a villain. But so much of this show takes the (often misunderstood and misapplied) themes of movies like Fight Club, American Psycho, The Matrix and explores them more deeply with meta commentary. Fight Club was a critique of toxic masculinity not a celebration of unleashing rage (and ends before we can examine the aftermath of it's version of 5/9.) Lilly Wachowski says The Matrix was always intended as trans allegory (and ironically the movie has been widely embraced by misogynists and right-wing conspiracists.) A lot has changed in the last 10 years, for good and bad, so I don't believe the show would have been written and cast exactly the same way today. As an outsider, I think the show was nuanced and sympathetic in regard to White Rose, and didn't make the character trans arbitrarily as a way to imply the villain was perversely evil. I also think BD Wong turned in an amazing performance, and casting an LGBTQ actor was probably better than most productions had done to that date. Season 2 did cast a trans actor as a trans character that made brief appearances.
I loved your reactions to this amazing show! Just wanted to drop this one thing here, about Original Elliot: The Elliott we see in this Fantasy World is not at all like the real Elliott, we actually saw him in some Flashbacks. Always in just a black T-Shirt (without the Hoodie). Like the first meeting with Shayla and the day Darlene showed up. In this Fantasy world he is the way he maybe could have been, if all these conditions were met. Real Elliott is probably very much like the Mastermind, with the only difference being that the Mastermind actually has the drive to do, what real Elliott only dreams about.
These reactions were a blast! Tbh this is the only Mr robot reaction series I’ve watched fully through and it was a joy to relive all these moments with you! As for unanswered questions, honestly I think it is well fitting the spirit of this show that it leaves us with a bunch of them. Did whiterose's machine work? Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I’d like to think, that with all the conspiracies and stuff going on this universe, that it DID work, but… it doesn’t really matter, Elliot’s speech in 4x11 really cements his belief that even if the machine did work, creating a "new world" wouldn’t solve anything, to suffer, to endure, is to be human, and having the right people by your side makes it worth it, we break, but we keep going, so this world is not one which can be so easily given up on. (Although there is also a bunch of like side stuff for this show that Sam did, I think at one point he created an in-universe subreddit that mentioned a "particle collider being built in a power plant" although also in that subreddit the "users" would joke about the guy who said that dying cuz after he made that post he stoped posting forever.) Tyrell is also a mixed bag, anytime someone asks Sam what’s going on here usually responds with a joke lmao, he once said the screams in the forest were the screams of Tyrell’s wife from that one episode where she gets paint dumped on her and her scream is muted. Although knowing Sam, he coulda passed it off as a joke when it’s an actual hint. Maybe Tyrell did die, I feel like a lot of these shows kill characters to show that death and tragedy can strike outta nowhere, but Tyrell's death seems, purposeful, in a way. I believe he did die, he was always afraid of being nothing, which is why he wanted power at e corp, and to be a "god" with Elliot, and in that moment, knowing he had nowhere to go, he was powerless, so he walks into the fog, waiting to die, he’s lost everything, so what now? The blue light obviously could mean the blue screen of death, it could be referencing the color of his wife’s earrings he gave her earlier in the show. Although, like you pointed out, when Darlene is talking to the mastermind, she mentions that everything up to this point is real and has happened, which makes me think maybe the blue light was something physical, but if so… what? (There is a the whole Tyrell is Elliot theory which says that the blue light is the light of the vital tracker in the hospital next to Elliot’s bed, this theory actually has some support behind some deleted scenes, but doesn’t really make since when you think about it) Anyways, enough rambling, just thank you for making these videos man, these reactions have been some of my favorite parts of my day, you really did great with these series, and I’ll definitely be sticking around to see what else you do on this channel (The bear season 3 soon 👀) but yeah, great reaction, as always 🔥
I wonder how many people know the disorder Elliot suffers from is a reality ( DID = Dissociative Identity Disorder ). Coincidentally, I was learning about DID and studying patients with DID during the same period I watched the show for the first time. Many people state Mr. Robot is "a copy" of the movie Fight Club, but that's like saying Interstellar is a copy of Star Wars just because they both take place in space. Sam Esmail was familiar with DID before creating the show, knowing someone personally who has it. Even religions have struggled with understanding DID for centuries, leading to the many stories of possession, trying to perform exorcisms on these poor people. It's only since last century that we started to really understand DID as a psychological condition. And it's really how it's portraited in the show, with patients having gaps in their memories due to their alters taking over. One of the patients I've seen was shown footage of her as another personality, but upon seeing the video, she didn't remember any of it. Again, I genuinely wonder how many people realize the realness of the show because I don't see much of it discussed, and it not being some gimmick "inspired by Fight Club".
I don't think they were planning on a Darlene and Leon spin off. I think it was more just a funny reference to all the times shows will hint to a spin off at the end of their final seasons
One of the hints that this was not the real Elliot, but another personality, it seems to me at the end of season 1, when MR came to "Elliot" - "I think we should talk" (after "Elliot" found his father in the photo). MR literally said then that "... people are afraid of US", then you would think that he meant Elliot and his MR personality, but no one was afraid of Elliot, people were afraid when Mr. Robot and the Mastermind appeared (not knowing that it was the Mastermind). "US" is a hint that "you are just like me, only a part of him". That they're both Elliot's personalities. It's just that MR couldn't tell him then.
Elliot wasn’t much different to Mastermind, Mastermind was just more extreme and angry. Remember Olly saying “I forgot about your no touching thing” Elliot was already like that
Yup even if Elliot is in control all those aspects of his personality are still there. The show takes license depicting dissociative identity disorder, but I also see DID as a metaphor here for anyone with a childhood that impaired forming a stable identity. Trauma responses, wounded inner children, harsh inner critics. The session with with Krista in the finale is a representation of Internal Family Systems therapy, which is not a treatment for DID and does not see subpersonalities as separate identities that take turns.
My Question after Mr Robot has always been what are the consequences of Eliot's actions?! like he robbed a bank, his face was captured by camera. So he was working hard to create a better world for the Real Eliot yet now he's gonna leave him live and suffer from his actions? I don't get that part.
The actress that played Angela didn’t wanna be in the show anymore so asked to be killed off. Probably because her and Rami were dating and then broke up.
@@alexbuchholz7072 I dont think its ever been verified (and probably never will), but I feel its true. Portia and Rami dont have a single scene together this season. The only time they talk is over a video call that can be recorded separately to each other, and they never show the actresses face when theyre supposed to be on screen together
@@alexbuchholz7072 Also her character development is really underwhelming if it was planned like that from the beginning. She hits rock bottom, end of S3 is giving big talk about retribution and redeeming herself, just to get popped
Thank you to all who stuck around for 4 seasons of reactions!!
Mr robot’s so awesome because of all the foreshadowing and how the truth is there from the very beginning. It makes it hit so different on rewatches, seeing all the hints you missed
your reaction videos for this show had been *SUCH* a joy to watch, honestly this level of quality is great! look forward to following you along on Dark!
Also letsgo Daredevil is one of my favourite shows too!
Thank you for the support means a lot!!
White Rose is set up as kind of a parallel to Elliot. White Rose also experienced trauma, was disillusioned by society, filled with rage against it's injustices, and had a fantasy of making the world a better place. White Rose's journey ends with her finally embracing her true identity, similar to the reintegration of Elliot's personalities. But she does not let go of her grandiose redemption fantasy, doesn't embrace reality, and chooses a tragic end. I think it's supposed to show what happens if the Mastermind never relinquishes control.
I'd be really interested to see the perspective of a trans person that watched this show. Trauma and identity do intertwine in complex ways, but it is fraught setting up an implicit connection between gender identity and dissociative identity, and mental illness more generally. As is casting a cisgendered actor. And making her a villain. But so much of this show takes the (often misunderstood and misapplied) themes of movies like Fight Club, American Psycho, The Matrix and explores them more deeply with meta commentary. Fight Club was a critique of toxic masculinity not a celebration of unleashing rage (and ends before we can examine the aftermath of it's version of 5/9.) Lilly Wachowski says The Matrix was always intended as trans allegory (and ironically the movie has been widely embraced by misogynists and right-wing conspiracists.)
A lot has changed in the last 10 years, for good and bad, so I don't believe the show would have been written and cast exactly the same way today. As an outsider, I think the show was nuanced and sympathetic in regard to White Rose, and didn't make the character trans arbitrarily as a way to imply the villain was perversely evil. I also think BD Wong turned in an amazing performance, and casting an LGBTQ actor was probably better than most productions had done to that date. Season 2 did cast a trans actor as a trans character that made brief appearances.
Losing "our" Elliot is definitely bitter-sweet. I'm happy you enjoyed it overall and it was nice to revisit this whole show with you.
I loved your reactions to this amazing show! Just wanted to drop this one thing here, about Original Elliot:
The Elliott we see in this Fantasy World is not at all like the real Elliott, we actually saw him in some Flashbacks. Always in just a black T-Shirt (without the Hoodie). Like the first meeting with Shayla and the day Darlene showed up.
In this Fantasy world he is the way he maybe could have been, if all these conditions were met.
Real Elliott is probably very much like the Mastermind, with the only difference being that the Mastermind actually has the drive to do, what real Elliott only dreams about.
These reactions were a blast! Tbh this is the only Mr robot reaction series I’ve watched fully through and it was a joy to relive all these moments with you! As for unanswered questions, honestly I think it is well fitting the spirit of this show that it leaves us with a bunch of them. Did whiterose's machine work? Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I’d like to think, that with all the conspiracies and stuff going on this universe, that it DID work, but… it doesn’t really matter, Elliot’s speech in 4x11 really cements his belief that even if the machine did work, creating a "new world" wouldn’t solve anything, to suffer, to endure, is to be human, and having the right people by your side makes it worth it, we break, but we keep going, so this world is not one which can be so easily given up on. (Although there is also a bunch of like side stuff for this show that Sam did, I think at one point he created an in-universe subreddit that mentioned a "particle collider being built in a power plant" although also in that subreddit the "users" would joke about the guy who said that dying cuz after he made that post he stoped posting forever.) Tyrell is also a mixed bag, anytime someone asks Sam what’s going on here usually responds with a joke lmao, he once said the screams in the forest were the screams of Tyrell’s wife from that one episode where she gets paint dumped on her and her scream is muted. Although knowing Sam, he coulda passed it off as a joke when it’s an actual hint. Maybe Tyrell did die, I feel like a lot of these shows kill characters to show that death and tragedy can strike outta nowhere, but Tyrell's death seems, purposeful, in a way. I believe he did die, he was always afraid of being nothing, which is why he wanted power at e corp, and to be a "god" with Elliot, and in that moment, knowing he had nowhere to go, he was powerless, so he walks into the fog, waiting to die, he’s lost everything, so what now? The blue light obviously could mean the blue screen of death, it could be referencing the color of his wife’s earrings he gave her earlier in the show. Although, like you pointed out, when Darlene is talking to the mastermind, she mentions that everything up to this point is real and has happened, which makes me think maybe the blue light was something physical, but if so… what? (There is a the whole Tyrell is Elliot theory which says that the blue light is the light of the vital tracker in the hospital next to Elliot’s bed, this theory actually has some support behind some deleted scenes, but doesn’t really make since when you think about it) Anyways, enough rambling, just thank you for making these videos man, these reactions have been some of my favorite parts of my day, you really did great with these series, and I’ll definitely be sticking around to see what else you do on this channel (The bear season 3 soon 👀) but yeah, great reaction, as always 🔥
Always appreciate your comments Carlos! Thank you for watching these (See you at the Bear!!)
I wonder how many people know the disorder Elliot suffers from is a reality ( DID = Dissociative Identity Disorder ).
Coincidentally, I was learning about DID and studying patients with DID during the same period I watched the show for the first time.
Many people state Mr. Robot is "a copy" of the movie Fight Club,
but that's like saying Interstellar is a copy of Star Wars just because they both take place in space.
Sam Esmail was familiar with DID before creating the show, knowing someone personally who has it.
Even religions have struggled with understanding DID for centuries, leading to the many stories of possession, trying to perform exorcisms on these poor people.
It's only since last century that we started to really understand DID as a psychological condition.
And it's really how it's portraited in the show, with patients having gaps in their memories due to their alters taking over.
One of the patients I've seen was shown footage of her as another personality, but upon seeing the video, she didn't remember any of it.
Again, I genuinely wonder how many people realize the realness of the show because I don't see much of it discussed, and it not being some gimmick "inspired by Fight Club".
Wow!!!! I forgot how sad the ending was for our Elliot.
its sad, but bro is chilling in a movie theater :)
I don't think they were planning on a Darlene and Leon spin off. I think it was more just a funny reference to all the times shows will hint to a spin off at the end of their final seasons
One of the hints that this was not the real Elliot, but another personality, it seems to me at the end of season 1, when MR came to "Elliot" - "I think we should talk" (after "Elliot" found his father in the photo). MR literally said then that "... people are afraid of US", then you would think that he meant Elliot and his MR personality, but no one was afraid of Elliot, people were afraid when Mr. Robot and the Mastermind appeared (not knowing that it was the Mastermind). "US" is a hint that "you are just like me, only a part of him". That they're both Elliot's personalities. It's just that MR couldn't tell him then.
Elliot wasn’t much different to Mastermind, Mastermind was just more extreme and angry. Remember Olly saying “I forgot about your no touching thing” Elliot was already like that
Yup even if Elliot is in control all those aspects of his personality are still there. The show takes license depicting dissociative identity disorder, but I also see DID as a metaphor here for anyone with a childhood that impaired forming a stable identity. Trauma responses, wounded inner children, harsh inner critics. The session with with Krista in the finale is a representation of Internal Family Systems therapy, which is not a treatment for DID and does not see subpersonalities as separate identities that take turns.
@@paradisevendorsinc that’s a good analysis 🤯
Yes, Whiterose was dilusional, I think. I loved the acting.
the real elliot woke up a few times during the show. one of the times was when he talks about "god" to wellick
The "terrifying" music at the beginning when Elliot is taking a shower is inspired by the soundtrack of Dark
growing up is realizing that White Rose's machine never really mattered
yup
My Question after Mr Robot has always been what are the consequences of Eliot's actions?! like he robbed a bank, his face was captured by camera. So he was working hard to create a better world for the Real Eliot yet now he's gonna leave him live and suffer from his actions? I don't get that part.
real elliot about to find out what it cost to change the world lol
The actress that played Angela didn’t wanna be in the show anymore so asked to be killed off. Probably because her and Rami were dating and then broke up.
That`s completly untrue. Her death was written from the beginning. They were dating, that part is true.
@@alexbuchholz7072 exactly and it wouldn't make sense her being killed for that reason because she's in these past 3 episodes anyway 😅
@@alexbuchholz7072 I dont think its ever been verified (and probably never will), but I feel its true. Portia and Rami dont have a single scene together this season. The only time they talk is over a video call that can be recorded separately to each other, and they never show the actresses face when theyre supposed to be on screen together
@@alexbuchholz7072 Also her character development is really underwhelming if it was planned like that from the beginning. She hits rock bottom, end of S3 is giving big talk about retribution and redeeming herself, just to get popped
Someone in the previous video said its cuz she was filming something else at the time. Idk how true any of this is