We can justify Jenny being born with clothes in a multitude of ways, but how the hell are we going to justify her being born with perfect winged eyeliner?
Well you see, the cloning machine might not be merely meant for cloning. It could be like a 3D-printer of sorts. Maybe it just uses the genetic material as a base for the biological component, then uses other materials such as cloth and whatever goes into eyeliner to make them more acceptable as human beings and fellow soldiers. They probably weren't thinking this far ahead anyways as they were writing, so it doesn't really matter.
How can you say The Doctor's Daughter, an episode that featured the Doctor's daughter, was clickbait, when Let's Kill Hitler, an epsiode where no-one killed Hitler, is right there
2 points. First, he's covering the Episodes in order, and there being one clickbait-y Episode title in no way precludes the show from having another. Secondly, while "Let's Kill Hitler" was definitely a clickbait title, it wasn't an actual lie. "Let's Kill Hitler" is a statement of intent, not a description of an action. Specifically, it describes the intent of Mels (who literally speaks those words right before the credits roll), and even more specifically it refers to how she believes the Doctor is responsible for all the evils in all the world and in all of time, due to the fact that he can time travel and never did anything to stop those evils. The fact that they *didn't* kill Hitler is, obviously, because that belief Mels has is completely wrong. Since _Let's Kill Hitler_ as a story hinges entirely on Mels and River Song having that belief, and even more vitally on that belief being wrong, the title actually describes the Episode really rather well. Of course, with Jenny being the Doctor's daughter in spirit (even if not literally) by the end of the Episode, "The Doctor's Daughter" was ultimately also a very fitting title.
The *real* Doctor Who clickbait episode (other than The Next Doctor) was Asylum of the Daleks. They said it would have every Dalek ever and not only did it *not* have that, it was barely even a Dalek episode, it was Moffat teasing Clara's introduction disguised as a Dalek episode.
I always love that it is Donna who figures out the numbers. She is always thinking she is useless and not special but as you pointed out in the last video she is very ordinary and is a person who has worked in normal jobs like in offices or in a library meaning that she just picks up on these little things that lead her to the answers. She is not a soldier like Jenny or a doctor like Martha and she thinks she will never be like the Doctor but that's what makes her amazing. she has the kindness that allows her to make the human connections and the street smarts and real world experience that allows her to notice these key things like the empty file in the Sontaran two parter and the numbers in this episode. Martha is busy trying to get back, The doctor is busy dealing with all his feels so she is the only one truly observing. Donna is brilliant.
My favorite companion used to be Martha, but rewatching and seeing just how brilliant Donna is for making minor connections from low paying jobs to Sci fi adventures quickly skyrocketed her to my favorite. I also think it makes her an interesting foil to Rose. Martha stands out among the Tennant companions because she’s a college graduate who’s going to medical school, but Rose and Donna are both just young women trying to make their way with minimum wage jobs. But while Rose abandoned all that to try and become a mini-Doctor, Donna used her skills from those jobs and her awareness of numbers to catch on to alien tomfoolery all throughout series 4. Which also makes the Time Lord Metacrisis a bit ironic. Rose left her life to be more and more like The Doctor, while Donna held on to the things she learned in her basic jobs. But Donna ended up being more like The Doctor than anyone.
So this reminds me of a DND style campaign I was involved in with my friends. I was trying to get the hang of my character I had just created, and he felt so useless at the beginning of the campaign (I didn't see him as useless, I adored him, but he himself felt useless). He was very naive starting out, had no combat training, and no skill set to earn money. He felt like a liability. Early on in the campaign, Sylas (that's his name) and his traveling companion came to a store where the manager had previously been able to get away with cheating everyone. He wanted everyone to buy a bulk pack of 4 jerky packs for like $47, 3 for $40, and 2 for $35. The thing is, everyone always bought the packs in bulk, because long journeys, and bundling the packs together made it easier for them to carry. His traveling companion argued with the manager about the prices to no avail and got kicked out of the store. Sylas went out and quietly pointed out the unnoticed fact that if they bought 4 individual packs of jerky, selling at $10 apiece, they could essentially get the bulk pack of 4 for the price of 3. And the best part about the whole thing is that Sylas -- this polite, quiet, unassuming, naive young man -- he took the 4 individual packs to the counter, silently watched the manager fume as he rang up the price, paid the money, smiled and said, "It's been a pleasure doing business with you" and walked out...and before the door could close, he heard the manager scream at his associate for the oversight in pricing. And his traveling companion told him for the first time that he was useful. As the campaign went on, Sylas became a powerful magic user, incredibly potent potion maker, and one of the most personally valuable, respected, and loved members of the party. But all that confidence he developed over time began with the event of the sideroad shop, where he learned to believe in himself for the first time.
@Phinal1 Not again… After the Timeless Children clearly River must be the Doctor’s daughter with Amy, since she can’t have gained regeneration by exposure to the time vortex anymore… thanks Chibnall.
I mean, clearly he was just gonna let the Daleks go after taking care of the reality bomb. That’s why he got so mad at the metacrisis dr for killing them all. Once the reality bomb was gone, the entire army of daleks that had already transported 28 planets and billion or trillions of beings, was clearly no longer a threat! This is one of the biggest GRRRRRS for me. He committed genocide plenty...as the 10th.
Happens to me with _Fear Her_ . I truly love that story. Maybe because I tend to have a bit of a weak spot for kids, whereas a lot of others just find them annoying.
@@AhsimNreizievi distinctly remember a very young me absolutely loving that episode with a passion cant say ive watched it recently but i dont believe it deserves the hate it gets at all i need to rewatch it though
I think the issue is that the Eccleston-Tennant era was so strong that the "weaker" episodes of their series were still well written, well characterised, well structured stories. Even Love and Monsters (famously hated) I remember fully enjoying and to this day having little issue with. The weaker episodes of this era, however, trump most of the more highly-regarded episodes of the Smith-Whittaker era (I didn't watch Capaldi's 2nd series which I've heard good things about, but I found his first wholly forgettable).
For some reason, I think my favorite part of this episode (besides the David/Georgia situation) might actually BE the B plot with Martha and the Hath she befriends. Considering she never intended to come on this adventure, I think it's cool that we get to see her have to tap into her old companion instincts when she's separated from the Doctor & Donna. Plus, I like that she's able to communicate with the Hath as she's searching for a way out, and gains their trust after healing the one who eventually follows her outside the compound. And damn, even though we only knew that Hath for a short time, his sacrifice to save Martha from the tar pit always felt really deep and emotional (helped along by Freema's fantastic acting as she helplessly watches him drown). He was initially hesitant about leaving, but decided to accept the risks that would come from following her into the outside world. In the end, he just wasn't fully prepared for the dangers that lay outside his home, but he still managed to return the favor by saving Martha's life before he died. #JusticeForHathCompanion
Yeah idk why but I adore the Hath. They were more accepting of a human than the humans were of their own people, more open to peace despite the doctor seeming human, and the way that one hath gave it's life for Martha was really emotional. And they're kinda adorable in a weird way
@Zac Some people dislike the Silurian two-parter but it's a pretty solid story that like Doctor's Daughter is just overshadowed by the brilliance of the rest of the series. It'll probably get a normal review but I could see it being a defending the despised. It still amazes me that we got S4 and 5 back to back, two extremely different but equally masterful storylines.
Most notable quotes of this episode: "HATTHHH." -Tenth Doctor "Her name's MARTHA, and she's not collateral damage, not for anyone. Have you got that, G.I. JANE?!" -Donna Noble
@Jonathan Clarcq I was confused for a moment and the I realized "Oh, you're saying 'source,' but it sounds like 'sauce' in aggressively British." Haven't watched this episode in a while so these were always the line that stood out to me, Donna's awesome GI Jane quote and Tennant's aggressive "th" noise in Hath. But I'll have to re-watch it now to "FIND THE SAUCE." 😆
The ending of this episode is SO powerful, with some incredible acting from Tennant. This whole episode does a great job at highlighting the misery and pointlessness of war. It's so touching to see the Doctor learn to accept his newfound daughter but then heartbreaking to see her die so needlessly.
I wanna see the doctor just get fed up with getting separated from companions so he just gets one of those leash’s you see parent using on kids at Disney World.
I feel like I should clarify. The leashes attach to a harness thing the kids wear (generally small kids around like 4-6 or sumthin) so they don’t wonder off or get lost in the extreme crowds of Disney world.
@@smorgasbord9940 it's an old practice my dad grew up in the 50's and as a kid grandmother used to take him out for walks on a leash she wasn't a 600 pound cyclist pants wearing Yank though. On that note America always struck me as a different planet altogether.
I don't dislike this story, it's entertaining and has some interesting moments. I just wish they'd had the guts to have her be a temporary companion for a few episodes and give us time to explore this new companion alongside Donna and the Doctor in the Tardis. Imagine for a moment if she'd stood alongside them in Unicorn and Wasp and SIlence in the Libary and then as a means to save the Doctor she sacrificed herself on the planet Midnight. It's a dark ending sure, not one even I'm sure off but it's an interesting avenue to go down and show new sides of the Doctor. Honestly I just hate shows and this does include Doctor Who where the need to get back to the status quo quickly and convienently takes away some of the drama. Funnily enough I prefer the original ending where Donna helps the Doctor greive and from what I assume in that scene she is still dead.
@@joshsylvester1450 The reason I chose Midnight instead of the finale is because of Donna's fate. Imagine if Jenny died in Midnight the Doctor would be heart broken and Donna would do her best to cheer him up and help him through a tough period and then The Stolen Earth/Journeys End occurs and now Donna is gone. All of this happening in short succession I think would've further cemented the tenth Doctor travelling alone. I think this could've also been used to great effect in The Waters of Mars cause those losses would still hurt and be compounded by how alone he feels.
I liked the ending of her coming back to life, but I totally agree that I just wish the show did something with it. Other media does her a lot more justice in that she has Doctor like adventures and I know there a comic where she meets back up with 12. This is what I wanted in the show. For her to get a spin off where she tries to be the Doctor and later for her to meet back up with him (I really think 12 is the best choice; he gives off the most fatherly vibe and he needed some familial love more than anyone).
@@unorthodoxbox I think this is a great idea, I just wish we got 2 seasons of Donna, there was so much that could have been done with her and the finality of her ending was so sad.
You’ve got Moffat to blame for bringing her back to life 🙄 it was his suggestion and of course when he takes over he does absolutely nothing with her. Just another one to add to list of people he’s completely unable to keep dead
Despite her limited run as a companion and coming back a few times after, Martha is by far the best companion in terms of being a good person. Smart, skilled, empathetic, brave she's seriously the best and I wish I appreciated her more when I first watched Dr Who
i think marth's b-plot does a good job of making us sympathise with the hath as well as the humans, so we dont think of them as 'the enemy' or want to take sides in the war
I think that The Doctor found out offscreen at some point that Jenny was alive, because when Clara is pretending to be him in Death In Heaven , she references Jenny in the present tense rather than the past tense.
@@CulturePhilter yeah... the being which has been the Doctor's constant companion, in sickness and in health, in sadness and in joy, a shoulder to cry on and advise when needed, and together forever, until death do them part. So, The Doctor and the TARDIS quite fulfil all of these husband-wife requirements!
29:24 - I'm like Donna in that regard. Traveling with the Doctor would be SO much more exciting than my current life. But like Jack said: "Being with the Doctor, you don't get to choose when it stops...whether she leaved you...or you leave her." And that doesn't even consider the many ways in which you can leave, many of them tragic.
28:36 Don't forget the infamous mistake of the studio light on the left of the camera shot, behind the Tardis controls. Maybe the light could come along on those extra adventures too... Murray Gold's score was beautiful to listen to in this episode with The Doctor's Daughter and The Source for Jenny's birth and death. My other soft spot of this story is it's another episode with the Doctor's blue suit which stands out well against the colours of the dark scenery and green vegetation.
I never realised the Doctor's line to the Metacrisis Doctor in the finale was referencing Jenny. For some reason I thought he was talking about himself, the regeneration from 9 to himself.
@@HarboWholmes I feel like the line fits Jenny a lot better than 10 now though. Most of 9's rage was in Dalek, he'd even come to terms with his rage a little in Parting of the Ways ("Coward, any day.")
Never really got that either but keep in mind we technically got five episodes of Rose in this season as well, and that includes the two cameos teasing her official return in Turn Left (Partners in Crime & Midnight). But those held more weight because she'd been absent for an entire season already. Idk, maybe it has to do with the writers wanting to explore the difference in Martha's departure compared to Rose's since she ended up being the only main companion of New Who (that I know of) who left of her own accord.
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Rose is a different case because the cameos are cameos, and she wasn’t the active role Martha was in this stretch of three episodes
@@DigiRangerScott Exactly, I realize that, so again, I'm guessing the writers wanted to explore her new life after choosing to leave and maybe also to re-introduce UNIT so they could play a role in the finale.
I hate it because it should've been a 2 parter. Martha? Seriously you've known this fish thing for ten bloody minutes why are you crying like your dad died. Also fish thingy? Are we just gonna gloss over that you're the one "villian" race that the doctor has no knowledge of? Has that ever happened before or since? Jenny? You've actually been the expected daughter of the doctor for ten minutes, why is your writer instantly killing you off. Evil old guy, seriously?! The friggin daleks are less bloodthirsty then you most of the time. Is that the extent of your character development
I never thought of Doctors daughter as a bad episode, in fact, when I heard for the first time, that it is not very beloved in the doctor who community, I was extremely surprised. In my opinion, it doesn't even have to hide behind other stories of its season, even though season 4 is one of the best of the new series. My only complaint is that Jenny does survive in the end. To me, this scene felt very unnecessary as the doctor never finds out about it. It felt like a typical Moffat ending, without being a Moffat episode, so to me, it feels very out of place. But I can easily overlook this as this scene was very short and doesn't infect the overall story, So all in all, a very good story, very underrated.
I loved the Doctor's Daughter episode since it showed who the Doctor is, the things he has lost and why how he loves to show the universe to who he is travelling with much like a parent does to their children. Once he accepts Jenny is his daughter he is excited to have a family again, someone who can follow in his footsteps and carry his legacy only to lose her like his former family. The heartbreak he goes through is the start of his wanting to become a god to stop from losing people he cares for as seen in Waters of Mars.
The alien who help Martha always break my heart :[ Martha was awesome here, truly an Doctor, it's amazing to see characters like this using their title skills on the adventures. And not just being an empty title like Yazmin Khan being a police officer and barely acting like one
Yeah, The Doctor being adamant on the point of Jenny only being an echo of the Time Lords and that she is not one herself becomes so ironic after "The Timeless Children" where it turns out that the Doctor is not themselves a Time Lord, but a being of unknown origin whom the Time Lords spliced the ability to regenerate from, and for additional irony, Jenny as a result is the only person in the universe who actually is like the Doctor.
My favourite fun fact about this episode: not only do the Hath have lines in the script, but someone was on set shouting out their lines when they speak. It’s just a small fact that always makes me giggle when I watch the episode.
I really like the bit with Donna and the Doctor talking about his family and some bits from this episode, its not a great episode but it has some good moments. Also at least David and Georgia met out of it, so good for them.
The stuff you mentioned about regeneration being in the Doctor's dna all along, thanks to The Timeless Children is also similar to a situation in Torchwood, where in Day Five of Children Of Earth, Jack's grandson dies because the immortality isn't passed down to Jack's children/grandchildren, yet in Miracle Day, Rex survives being shot at the end because he had Jack's blood transfused with his own.
@Ethan MACLEAN That could explain it, although to be fair, the thing I brought up happened during Miracle Day, where Jack became mortal for the season, breaking the stuff said in Utopia, as well as the season itself being a mess.
@@MovieMagic515 Pointing that out still doesn't detract from the fact that without this, Staged 1 wouldn't have been made. Basically, what point were you trying to make?
Interesting theory "Last Thursdayism". Imagine you could create a false set of memories and put them, say, in a pocket watch....memories of regenerations which never happened, and fantasies of a "Timeless Child"....
This episodes is very snazzy. Don't understand how others dislike it. It's just nice and even if it is weaker overall, it's got some great moments like the doctor talking about Galifrey in the prison, or the doctor talking about his old family, or the doctor holding the gun to Cobb's head, or Donna describing their adventures, or Donna working out the dates or Martha being sad over the mute Hath friend. Honestly just good.
I love this episode, not just the incredible twist, but because its how Tennant and Georgia Moffett met, So we can say that the Doctor's daughter met the Doctor while playing the Doctors daughter, married the Doctor then had the Doctors daughter.
And Peter Capaldi is Matt Smith's father in law, Tom Baker and Colin Baker are both cousins and both bread bakers. Edit: I forgot Peter Davison is Russel T Davis' son and Steven Moffat is Georgia Moffet's uncle
I think the trio of The Doctor, Martha and Donna could have a good chemistry and I would have liked to see more off-world adventures with the three. Martha’s similarity to the Doctor would give a good dynamic between her and Donna in tense moments. I wish we’d seen more
Never understood the hate this episode gets. I LOVE IT! When I was a kid watching this for the first time, I didn't see what the episode was called before the cold opener, so I didn't get clickbaited. Overall, I just love how this episode touches on the Doctor's past subtly without revealing anything, exploring that ONE prior mention to Rose about how he once had a family. It reminds you of the history of the character despite his age. Then when Jenny dies (Ummm...Spoilers XD) I love the tense moment where it seems as if he is going to kill Cobb ( *Or As You Put It Corn On A Cobb XD* ), only to say "I never would" and throwing the gun away in such disgust, again epitomising the resilience of the Doctor. Despite all his pain, he still continues to remain a good man. Plus yeah, the similarities between the Doctor and Jenny exploring the Doctor's time as a soldier, and the Doctor's speech about Time Lords are HOLY! The episode has *layers* ! Also, 30:14 *LMAO*
I always hoped Jenny would return because she had enough time lord DNA so Jenny could return even if David’s wife didn’t want to return. It would be a great episode. If Chinbail does revisit Jenny I hope he doesn’t screw the episode up.
Martha is a Doctor, she doesn't need His encouragement to help those who need help. First, do no harm. Martha will help anyone, regardless of species, who needs medical help. I love Martha as an equal to Sarah Jane as the second best companion after Donna. Have you ranked companions? Donna Sarah Jane / Martha Jones Leela / Romana Susan / Ian / Barbara Rose
One of my favorite episodes of all time, and definitely a very rewatchable episode (I base ratings on two things, the quality of the episode and the rewatchability, so even though a few episodes might be really good, they don't have a rewatchable factor, and several episodes are not so good, but are at least rewatchable---being good and rewatchable puts you in a much higher tier) I keep imagining that I'm in a universe where Firefly is on it's 15th season, where Torchwood didn't go to America(and Ianto is still alive) , where Jenny(although it should be spelled Genni/Geni) has her own series, and so does the Paternoster Gang. (and we get annual specials with Clara and Ashildr/Me--with guest star River Song or Bill Potts/Heather or even Nardole among others)
I have to disagree. Jenny DID regenerate, she was used to show that the doctor could regenerate WITHOUT changing as he ends up doing in the season finale.
But she didn’t use the spare body part method though, and she didn’t produce the energy, it came from the outside. And granted the seventh doctor’s regeneration had lighting but Jenny didn’t change appearance like he did, and the energy looks exactly like the energy from the source, therefore it’s not a regeneration, it’s a resurrection.
This episode is one of my earliest memories of powerfully connecting with the name Jenny. I later took it as my true name when I came out as trans, making the theme of the rejected/reconciled female double quite apt!
I personally love this episode. Not only because I adore Jenny, but I also think it’s a phenomenal exploration of war’s pointlessness, and some of the best characterizations of Donna and Martha and showing their worth completely outside of being The Doctor’s companions. I don’t consider it weak at all.
One thing that I never noticed in this episode is that when Jenny steals the shuttle, just like how it reflects the doctor stealing a tardis, the shuttle has these round things on the walls. Just like the original tardis. I think both that scene and the design of the shuttle's cockpit were meant to reflect the doctor.
Posting this on a bunch of your videos to help metrics: Thank you so much for making this series. Doctor Who was my favourite tv show as a kid, and was literally the only interest that every member of my family had in common, so it was very special to us growing up. Watching all your deep dives into each of the NuWho episodes has been a very nostalgic experience for me, so thank you thank you xx
Honestly? this has always been one of my favorite episodes and I don't understand why people call it the weakest one of this series. it's fun with just enough heavy stuff for me to enjoy
So this episode i think could of benefitted by being a two parter cause it feels like everything is a little bit rushed and stuffed. I think it needed more time to flesh things out a little bit. I would of liked to have his daughter stay on and become like a 4th Doctor/Romana tutoring esq relationship. Like him teaching her about things she might not understand. The doctor, donna and jenny could of been a interesting tardis trio and what could of been. This episode is very meh and each series has a weak episode and unfortunately this is this series weakest
Martha Jones did not come by her compassion and dedication to the well-being of her patient through her association with the Doctor. She’s a physician in training when she meets the Doctor. Yep, all of the Martha Jones episodes are about a pair of docs.
I’ll say this the shabogan name has been used so many times throughout the show in expanded media or not, which is why Jenny can’t regenerate (even though people think she can), but this episode was always a favourite of mine as it was just so powerful and the doctor saying what a timelord is and how Jenny isn’t one but then he sees her as actually one of his own and it’s just beautiful.
The whole 'generations' thing would have worked a lot better if Cobb had been as young as everyone else. The fact that he's old begs the question, why doesn't he know the truth?
I have such a vivid memory of coming into the school playground on monday morning and everyone excitedly discussing the trailer for this episode and all the theories we had about what was going to happen
I'll stick with Gallifreyan. If it were to up to me the first female doctor would have been Jenny. Sort of like a passing of the torch or even setting up the Valeyard
One thing that never gets talked about is Cobb's age. The conflict has supposedly only lasted 7 days, with everyone forgetting due to the huge turn over of casualties. This is all backed up by the fact that all the soldiers are young, showing that they’ve all only recently been birthed. Yet Cobb is an old man. How can this be? even if he was birthed near the start of the conflict he can’t have aged up so quickly. My personal head canon is that he is not a clone, he is the last surviving member of the original crew, he was around at the start of the conflict, and possibly caused it, hence he is the only one dissatisfied with the outcome and tries to kill the Doctor. If he was around at the start and he will know the reason the war began and so maintains his unquenchable hatred of the Hath. This doesn’t explain everything. Why doesn’t he know about the terraforming device, or how to get there? Well maybe he does and is lying about its nature for propaganda purposes. Or maybe this is all nonsense and he was birthed old instead of young for some reason….. who knows.
Feel like this story ought to have been a comic, or one of those Infinity-Quest-esque animations. Somehow, it's in the wrong medium. I've always been one to say there's no such thing as a bad story - just stories being told in an ill-fitting medium. A baggy suit looks slimming on a larger man.
The Doctor's Daughter has some wonderful ideas in it, but ultimately nothing hangs together. The war lasts generations, but that turns out to be just a few days. Brilliant idea. Fantastic, really diverting concept. But in terms of the storyline, what difference does it make? It's revealed as though it's the path to getting the Doctor and co out of the hole they're in, but instead, it turns out to be just a quirk of the war. It doesn't alter how anything is resolved, and plays zero role in how the Doctor wins the day. It would have worked better if both sides were searching for a member of the original crew of the ship, because only the original crew know how to release 'The Source'. The original captain, say. The Doctor will haughtily sniff at the religious overtone of it, insisting to the soldiers that the captain must have died long ago. But then the Doctor gets caught out at the end when he and the others ACTUALLY FIND THE CAPTAIN STILL ALIVE but injured, because it turns out that he only crash-landed on the planet the previous week. Martha gives the captain some much-needed medical treatment, and then, once he's recovered enough, he can then release the powers of the Autobot Matrix of Leadersh-... er, I mean of the Source. That would have meant the pay-off at the end of the plot is a real turn-up as a result of the war's briefness, plus it would give Martha a functioning role relevant to the plot. As it stands, Martha shouldn't even be in the story, it has nothing to do with her, and her sideplot is irrelevant. It could have been made important if the Hath had not been killed on the surface, and had reached the Doctor with Martha. The rest of the Hath could have had the Doc, Donna and Genny cornered, say, but Martha's friend intervenes and persuades its comrades to spare them. Without that, the Martha sideplot is utterly inconsequential and just feels like padding crowbarred in to fill out the story to 50 minutes. As I say, with just a few bits of tinkering, this could have been a genuinely quality story. Instead, it's just a few beguiling ideas on the periphery of a very basic and linear plot.
RTD Doctor Who did well to show Martha putting her medical knowledge to good use. Meanwhile, from what I've heard about Chibnall's Who, Yaz keeps ignoring or doing things contrary to the police training she should have. That's the difference between a writer who cares enough to put the work in, and a writer who just lazily slaps something together.
Yaz is basically an door, nah even an door has more utility, the character barely know how to use an gun or take actions when in danger, just ridiculous...
I just noticed now the red chairs at 23:17. We have the same ones in white at one of the metro stations of line 4 in Budapest and from a certain angle they look like a stylized version of Darth Vader's helmet. :D
26:00 Slight correction but as I recall from an interview with Moffat, he didn't ask Davies to keep Jenny alive, rather he simply commented that Davies kept creating interesting characters only to kill them off, and this led to Davies making the change. You're welcome to believe otherwise, as I have never managed to find the interview again.
I think in some ways, the doctor himself rarely saves the universe. It's usually alot more to do with the people he comes into contact with, such as Jenny. The Doctor is a message, and the message is hope. Don't get me wrong, he does his fair share of saving and such, but likelihood is that the people he's been in contact with, and who he's inspired have saved at the very least a similar amount of lives.
The only Doctor who focussed on saving the universe without relying on the support of his companions is John Hurt. He had companions in the Big Finish stories but when McGann regenerated, he did so with a mission in mind. Hurt carried out that mission and would have done so whether his companions were there or not. He's the only Doctor who was strong enough to look after himself for centuries - if the other Doctor's didn't have companions, they still had Clara's echoes watching over them while Hurt was cut off from Clara, presumably because of the Time Lock - and I think it's because he was hyper focussed on ending the Time War without being distracted by anything else until the Moment reminded him of who he was.
Jenny should have been the timeless child and then the 1st doctor rescues her as she has regenerated into Susan. Explaining why they ran away at the beginning
The only thing I disagree with is Jenny's ending being good. I HATE these kind of endings, it's the worst part of the Moffat era for me. It feels like such a cheap cop-out, where a writer is too cowardly to ever kill anyone off and it ruins the tension
@dr103 No, in the latest Christmas episode of Capaldi it is revealed that they are all dead. Clara and "Me" were allegedly captured by the Time Lords before Spyfall. And River's soul is trapped in a virtual library, it sounds more like a trap than a happy ending.
No matter how you feel about this episode, you can'y deny how powerful that final scene is with Ten and Jenny/Cobb. Legit makes me choke up everytime and the soundtrack that follows is superb.
Don’t know if anyone else has commented on this but the cut on the back of their hands looks a lot like the one on the gas mask people from the empty child.
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Lol, I was early enough to notice the sudden creative title change...nice one. 😉😆
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We can justify Jenny being born with clothes in a multitude of ways, but how the hell are we going to justify her being born with perfect winged eyeliner?
I can't justify that, but would be intrigued to hear any possible explanation you may have.
Well you see, the cloning machine might not be merely meant for cloning. It could be like a 3D-printer of sorts. Maybe it just uses the genetic material as a base for the biological component, then uses other materials such as cloth and whatever goes into eyeliner to make them more acceptable as human beings and fellow soldiers. They probably weren't thinking this far ahead anyways as they were writing, so it doesn't really matter.
Her hair in the ponytail was my line lol
Well is makeup and a ponytail harder to generate and apply than putting clothes on the clones?
Simple there Is a fully stocked cosmetic part in that little pod
How can you say The Doctor's Daughter, an episode that featured the Doctor's daughter, was clickbait, when Let's Kill Hitler, an epsiode where no-one killed Hitler, is right there
I was so disappointed when they didn’t kil Hitler.
2 points.
First, he's covering the Episodes in order, and there being one clickbait-y Episode title in no way precludes the show from having another.
Secondly, while "Let's Kill Hitler" was definitely a clickbait title, it wasn't an actual lie. "Let's Kill Hitler" is a statement of intent, not a description of an action. Specifically, it describes the intent of Mels (who literally speaks those words right before the credits roll), and even more specifically it refers to how she believes the Doctor is responsible for all the evils in all the world and in all of time, due to the fact that he can time travel and never did anything to stop those evils. The fact that they *didn't* kill Hitler is, obviously, because that belief Mels has is completely wrong.
Since _Let's Kill Hitler_ as a story hinges entirely on Mels and River Song having that belief, and even more vitally on that belief being wrong, the title actually describes the Episode really rather well.
Of course, with Jenny being the Doctor's daughter in spirit (even if not literally) by the end of the Episode, "The Doctor's Daughter" was ultimately also a very fitting title.
“Let’s” refers to something you plan on doing, doesn’t mean it will be achieved...
The *real* Doctor Who clickbait episode (other than The Next Doctor) was Asylum of the Daleks. They said it would have every Dalek ever and not only did it *not* have that, it was barely even a Dalek episode, it was Moffat teasing Clara's introduction disguised as a Dalek episode.
Dean Winchester: HEY! I killed Hitler's CLONE! That count?
I wonder how awkward it is between David and Georgia when their kids watch this episode and hear her call him Dad.
*hear HER call him dad.
@@TheSpencermacdougall Pretty sure that’s his son
**daddy
A lot less awkward then when she calls him Daddy.
...I'm not proud of myself.
@@ChateauLonLon -_-
I always love that it is Donna who figures out the numbers. She is always thinking she is useless and not special but as you pointed out in the last video she is very ordinary and is a person who has worked in normal jobs like in offices or in a library meaning that she just picks up on these little things that lead her to the answers. She is not a soldier like Jenny or a doctor like Martha and she thinks she will never be like the Doctor but that's what makes her amazing. she has the kindness that allows her to make the human connections and the street smarts and real world experience that allows her to notice these key things like the empty file in the Sontaran two parter and the numbers in this episode. Martha is busy trying to get back, The doctor is busy dealing with all his feels so she is the only one truly observing. Donna is brilliant.
My favorite companion used to be Martha, but rewatching and seeing just how brilliant Donna is for making minor connections from low paying jobs to Sci fi adventures quickly skyrocketed her to my favorite.
I also think it makes her an interesting foil to Rose. Martha stands out among the Tennant companions because she’s a college graduate who’s going to medical school, but Rose and Donna are both just young women trying to make their way with minimum wage jobs. But while Rose abandoned all that to try and become a mini-Doctor, Donna used her skills from those jobs and her awareness of numbers to catch on to alien tomfoolery all throughout series 4.
Which also makes the Time Lord Metacrisis a bit ironic. Rose left her life to be more and more like The Doctor, while Donna held on to the things she learned in her basic jobs. But Donna ended up being more like The Doctor than anyone.
Donna is someone I would classify as bright but not clever. She has excellent street smarts and picks things up quickly, but she's no braniac.
I love how I’m too lazy to read this (probably) amazing comment.
So this reminds me of a DND style campaign I was involved in with my friends. I was trying to get the hang of my character I had just created, and he felt so useless at the beginning of the campaign (I didn't see him as useless, I adored him, but he himself felt useless). He was very naive starting out, had no combat training, and no skill set to earn money. He felt like a liability.
Early on in the campaign, Sylas (that's his name) and his traveling companion came to a store where the manager had previously been able to get away with cheating everyone. He wanted everyone to buy a bulk pack of 4 jerky packs for like $47, 3 for $40, and 2 for $35. The thing is, everyone always bought the packs in bulk, because long journeys, and bundling the packs together made it easier for them to carry.
His traveling companion argued with the manager about the prices to no avail and got kicked out of the store. Sylas went out and quietly pointed out the unnoticed fact that if they bought 4 individual packs of jerky, selling at $10 apiece, they could essentially get the bulk pack of 4 for the price of 3.
And the best part about the whole thing is that Sylas -- this polite, quiet, unassuming, naive young man -- he took the 4 individual packs to the counter, silently watched the manager fume as he rang up the price, paid the money, smiled and said, "It's been a pleasure doing business with you" and walked out...and before the door could close, he heard the manager scream at his associate for the oversight in pricing. And his traveling companion told him for the first time that he was useful.
As the campaign went on, Sylas became a powerful magic user, incredibly potent potion maker, and one of the most personally valuable, respected, and loved members of the party. But all that confidence he developed over time began with the event of the sideroad shop, where he learned to believe in himself for the first time.
@@JNest1 It's just a lot of me gushing about Donna and saying she is awesome
I thought the title would be 'Remember when David Tennant's wife was his daughter?'
I thought the title of this episode should more be called, "The Doctor's Wife" because Georgia Moffett who plays Tennant's Daughter is now his Wife...
I got one! “The time The Doctor married his daughter!”
Sweet Home Alabama
@Phinal1 Not again… After the Timeless Children clearly River must be the Doctor’s daughter with Amy, since she can’t have gained regeneration by exposure to the time vortex anymore… thanks Chibnall.
"because he's so against genocide after committing plenty of his own" damn you didn't have to come for ten like that
Maybe Jenny is secretly called Jen O'Cide!
@@singsongsign nooo 💀
I mean, clearly he was just gonna let the Daleks go after taking care of the reality bomb. That’s why he got so mad at the metacrisis dr for killing them all. Once the reality bomb was gone, the entire army of daleks that had already transported 28 planets and billion or trillions of beings, was clearly no longer a threat!
This is one of the biggest GRRRRRS for me. He committed genocide plenty...as the 10th.
@@rmg8717 Yeah, it's almost like he was looking for any excuse to ditch TenToo and Rose so together was the simplest way to go.
Hurry Chibnall, be one of the first 1000 to sign up for SkillShare and finally learn how to write a character.
It gets depressing constantly hearing people call episodes that you like "the worst of the series" 😔😭
Happens to me with _Fear Her_ . I truly love that story. Maybe because I tend to have a bit of a weak spot for kids, whereas a lot of others just find them annoying.
@@AhsimNreizievi distinctly remember a very young me absolutely loving that episode with a passion cant say ive watched it recently but i dont believe it deserves the hate it gets at all i need to rewatch it though
I think the issue is that the Eccleston-Tennant era was so strong that the "weaker" episodes of their series were still well written, well characterised, well structured stories. Even Love and Monsters (famously hated) I remember fully enjoying and to this day having little issue with. The weaker episodes of this era, however, trump most of the more highly-regarded episodes of the Smith-Whittaker era (I didn't watch Capaldi's 2nd series which I've heard good things about, but I found his first wholly forgettable).
My biggest one is cold war from s6 I love it so much
@@cyberfox7249 just watched that one, was pretty good (also it's season 7 by the way)
For some reason, I think my favorite part of this episode (besides the David/Georgia situation) might actually BE the B plot with Martha and the Hath she befriends. Considering she never intended to come on this adventure, I think it's cool that we get to see her have to tap into her old companion instincts when she's separated from the Doctor & Donna. Plus, I like that she's able to communicate with the Hath as she's searching for a way out, and gains their trust after healing the one who eventually follows her outside the compound.
And damn, even though we only knew that Hath for a short time, his sacrifice to save Martha from the tar pit always felt really deep and emotional (helped along by Freema's fantastic acting as she helplessly watches him drown). He was initially hesitant about leaving, but decided to accept the risks that would come from following her into the outside world. In the end, he just wasn't fully prepared for the dangers that lay outside his home, but he still managed to return the favor by saving Martha's life before he died.
#JusticeForHathCompanion
Right? I actually really liked that subplot and it really broke my heart when the poor hath died. Probably shed a few tears, too.
I'd only recently seen Neverending Story when I watched this, I was so not prepared to go through that shit again 😭
Seriously, the Hath is a true legend
Yeah idk why but I adore the Hath. They were more accepting of a human than the humans were of their own people, more open to peace despite the doctor seeming human, and the way that one hath gave it's life for Martha was really emotional. And they're kinda adorable in a weird way
It’s cool to see that series 4 doesn’t have a “defending the despised” episode
yeah when this episode is the weakest in a series you know it's a top notch run
This is why season four is my favourite
@@Zoe-bb5tz Agreed!
@Zac
Some people dislike the Silurian two-parter but it's a pretty solid story that like Doctor's Daughter is just overshadowed by the brilliance of the rest of the series. It'll probably get a normal review but I could see it being a defending the despised. It still amazes me that we got S4 and 5 back to back, two extremely different but equally masterful storylines.
Series 5 likely won't have any Defending the Despised. But not for the reasons you think...
Most notable quotes of this episode:
"HATTHHH." -Tenth Doctor
"Her name's MARTHA, and she's not collateral damage, not for anyone. Have you got that, G.I. JANE?!" -Donna Noble
@Jonathan Clarcq I was confused for a moment and the I realized "Oh, you're saying 'source,' but it sounds like 'sauce' in aggressively British." Haven't watched this episode in a while so these were always the line that stood out to me, Donna's awesome GI Jane quote and Tennant's aggressive "th" noise in Hath. But I'll have to re-watch it now to "FIND THE SAUCE." 😆
The ending of this episode is SO powerful, with some incredible acting from Tennant.
This whole episode does a great job at highlighting the misery and pointlessness of war. It's so touching to see the Doctor learn to accept his newfound daughter but then heartbreaking to see her die so needlessly.
I wanna see the doctor just get fed up with getting separated from companions so he just gets one of those leash’s you see parent using on kids at Disney World.
Holy shit! Is that true!?
I feel like I should clarify. The leashes attach to a harness thing the kids wear (generally small kids around like 4-6 or sumthin) so they don’t wonder off or get lost in the extreme crowds of Disney world.
@@smorgasbord9940 wow! USA keeps getting weirder and weirder...
Oh and one last thing I forgot to mention, the parents are generally 600 pounds and wearing size 2 cycling shorts.
@@smorgasbord9940 it's an old practice my dad grew up in the 50's and as a kid grandmother used to take him out for walks on a leash she wasn't a 600 pound cyclist pants wearing Yank though. On that note America always struck me as a different planet altogether.
I don't dislike this story, it's entertaining and has some interesting moments. I just wish they'd had the guts to have her be a temporary companion for a few episodes and give us time to explore this new companion alongside Donna and the Doctor in the Tardis. Imagine for a moment if she'd stood alongside them in Unicorn and Wasp and SIlence in the Libary and then as a means to save the Doctor she sacrificed herself on the planet Midnight. It's a dark ending sure, not one even I'm sure off but it's an interesting avenue to go down and show new sides of the Doctor.
Honestly I just hate shows and this does include Doctor Who where the need to get back to the status quo quickly and convienently takes away some of the drama. Funnily enough I prefer the original ending where Donna helps the Doctor greive and from what I assume in that scene she is still dead.
I wrote an auwith this exact idea in mind, except I had her die in journey’s end
@@joshsylvester1450 The reason I chose Midnight instead of the finale is because of Donna's fate. Imagine if Jenny died in Midnight the Doctor would be heart broken and Donna would do her best to cheer him up and help him through a tough period and then The Stolen Earth/Journeys End occurs and now Donna is gone.
All of this happening in short succession I think would've further cemented the tenth Doctor travelling alone. I think this could've also been used to great effect in The Waters of Mars cause those losses would still hurt and be compounded by how alone he feels.
I liked the ending of her coming back to life, but I totally agree that I just wish the show did something with it. Other media does her a lot more justice in that she has Doctor like adventures and I know there a comic where she meets back up with 12. This is what I wanted in the show. For her to get a spin off where she tries to be the Doctor and later for her to meet back up with him (I really think 12 is the best choice; he gives off the most fatherly vibe and he needed some familial love more than anyone).
@@unorthodoxbox I think this is a great idea, I just wish we got 2 seasons of Donna, there was so much that could have been done with her and the finality of her ending was so sad.
You’ve got Moffat to blame for bringing her back to life 🙄 it was his suggestion and of course when he takes over he does absolutely nothing with her. Just another one to add to list of people he’s completely unable to keep dead
At least it’s not The Next Doctor- the ultimate clickbait episode
I felt so clickbaited when I watched that
It might have been somewhat clickbait but god damn it was such a satisfying clickbait if that's even a thing
Ohh I knew it was a clickbait , but the episode was just soo boring
The worst offender because the title doesn’t even relate to the episode itself. It’s not a clever bit of wordplay it’s just straight up a lie.
@@jacobcurle8964 my biggest problem with the episode is .... it's boring, regardless of clickbait
Despite her limited run as a companion and coming back a few times after, Martha is by far the best companion in terms of being a good person. Smart, skilled, empathetic, brave she's seriously the best and I wish I appreciated her more when I first watched Dr Who
I honestly didn’t realise that people thought that this story was weak. I love this one as much as the rest of series 4!
It's one of my favorite!
Don't forget the pre-applied make-up
Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase 'putting on a brave face'
And the perfectly done hair.
i think marth's b-plot does a good job of making us sympathise with the hath as well as the humans, so we dont think of them as 'the enemy' or want to take sides in the war
laser Grid + early 2000’s = back flipping through laser grid
I realized that after I commented it. When I put that I was thinking more on the scale of centuries than decades.
I think that The Doctor found out offscreen at some point that Jenny was alive, because when Clara is pretending to be him in Death In Heaven , she references Jenny in the present tense rather than the past tense.
I’d say ‘The Doctor’s Wife” was much more of a clickbait episode.
Eh... nope. The TARDIS is, quite definitely, the Doctor's Wife
Atharva Deshpande - maybe if you’re talking metaphorically. But not his literal wife (like River Song ended up being)
@@atharvadeshpande6907 well, not the W I F E, but is something like that
@@CulturePhilter yeah... the being which has been the Doctor's constant companion, in sickness and in health, in sadness and in joy, a shoulder to cry on and advise when needed, and together forever, until death do them part. So, The Doctor and the TARDIS quite fulfil all of these husband-wife requirements!
"They're fighting for something called the sAuCe"
Ah, just like a reddit comment-section.
29:24 - I'm like Donna in that regard. Traveling with the Doctor would be SO much more exciting than my current life. But like Jack said: "Being with the Doctor, you don't get to choose when it stops...whether she leaved you...or you leave her." And that doesn't even consider the many ways in which you can leave, many of them tragic.
28:36 Don't forget the infamous mistake of the studio light on the left of the camera shot, behind the Tardis controls. Maybe the light could come along on those extra adventures too...
Murray Gold's score was beautiful to listen to in this episode with The Doctor's Daughter and The Source for Jenny's birth and death.
My other soft spot of this story is it's another episode with the Doctor's blue suit which stands out well against the colours of the dark scenery and green vegetation.
I never realised the Doctor's line to the Metacrisis Doctor in the finale was referencing Jenny. For some reason I thought he was talking about himself, the regeneration from 9 to himself.
Oh no, he is, I'm just saying there's a parallel there
@@HarboWholmes I feel like the line fits Jenny a lot better than 10 now though. Most of 9's rage was in Dalek, he'd even come to terms with his rage a little in Parting of the Ways ("Coward, any day.")
How the heck did Martha get 5 episodes as a companion in the season immediately after she left
Never really got that either but keep in mind we technically got five episodes of Rose in this season as well, and that includes the two cameos teasing her official return in Turn Left (Partners in Crime & Midnight). But those held more weight because she'd been absent for an entire season already. Idk, maybe it has to do with the writers wanting to explore the difference in Martha's departure compared to Rose's since she ended up being the only main companion of New Who (that I know of) who left of her own accord.
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Rose is a different case because the cameos are cameos, and she wasn’t the active role Martha was in this stretch of three episodes
@@DigiRangerScott Exactly, I realize that, so again, I'm guessing the writers wanted to explore her new life after choosing to leave and maybe also to re-introduce UNIT so they could play a role in the finale.
Because they realised that they did Matha badly in the last series having her pine over the dr
I think people hate this one more for the dishonest/clickbait-y title rather than the episode's actual content
The episode is still pretty weak in my eyes. Not awful, but just kind of bland.
@@JackWolf10 yeah, it's.... like a 7/10 or even a 6/10 BUT, it's entretaining
@@JackWolf10 my fav episodes are time of the angles and flesh and stone
I hate it because it should've been a 2 parter. Martha? Seriously you've known this fish thing for ten bloody minutes why are you crying like your dad died. Also fish thingy? Are we just gonna gloss over that you're the one "villian" race that the doctor has no knowledge of? Has that ever happened before or since? Jenny? You've actually been the expected daughter of the doctor for ten minutes, why is your writer instantly killing you off. Evil old guy, seriously?! The friggin daleks are less bloodthirsty then you most of the time. Is that the extent of your character development
I never thought of Doctors daughter as a bad episode, in fact, when I heard for the first time, that it is not very beloved in the doctor who community, I was extremely surprised. In my opinion, it doesn't even have to hide behind other stories of its season, even though season 4 is one of the best of the new series.
My only complaint is that Jenny does survive in the end. To me, this scene felt very unnecessary as the doctor never finds out about it. It felt like a typical Moffat ending, without being a Moffat episode, so to me, it feels very out of place.
But I can easily overlook this as this scene was very short and doesn't infect the overall story,
So all in all, a very good story, very underrated.
It felt like they were setting up for a spin-off that never happened.
@@erebusvonmori8050 it did though. Jenny has her own big finish audio series, and the doctor even gets to reunite with her
I loved the Doctor's Daughter episode since it showed who the Doctor is, the things he has lost and why how he loves to show the universe to who he is travelling with much like a parent does to their children. Once he accepts Jenny is his daughter he is excited to have a family again, someone who can follow in his footsteps and carry his legacy only to lose her like his former family. The heartbreak he goes through is the start of his wanting to become a god to stop from losing people he cares for as seen in Waters of Mars.
The alien who help Martha always break my heart :[ Martha was awesome here, truly an Doctor, it's amazing to see characters like this using their title skills on the adventures.
And not just being an empty title like Yazmin Khan being a police officer and barely acting like one
Yeah, The Doctor being adamant on the point of Jenny only being an echo of the Time Lords and that she is not one herself becomes so ironic after "The Timeless Children" where it turns out that the Doctor is not themselves a Time Lord, but a being of unknown origin whom the Time Lords spliced the ability to regenerate from, and for additional irony, Jenny as a result is the only person in the universe who actually is like the Doctor.
Martha's Hath dying was the saddest moment in the entire show's history
No. Is a bit overacted.
Ross dying is sadder.
John Smith dying is saddest.
I agree haha, that scene makes me cry every time
My favourite fun fact about this episode: not only do the Hath have lines in the script, but someone was on set shouting out their lines when they speak. It’s just a small fact that always makes me giggle when I watch the episode.
I really like the bit with Donna and the Doctor talking about his family and some bits from this episode, its not a great episode but it has some good moments. Also at least David and Georgia met out of it, so good for them.
The stuff you mentioned about regeneration being in the Doctor's dna all along, thanks to The Timeless Children is also similar to a situation in Torchwood, where in Day Five of Children Of Earth, Jack's grandson dies because the immortality isn't passed down to Jack's children/grandchildren, yet in Miracle Day, Rex survives being shot at the end because he had Jack's blood transfused with his own.
@Ethan MACLEAN That could explain it, although to be fair, the thing I brought up happened during Miracle Day, where Jack became mortal for the season, breaking the stuff said in Utopia, as well as the season itself being a mess.
I’ve always thought who similar the scar from the progenitor machine Is to the Empty Child scar!
Obviously no connection but a nice Easter egg.
Weakest of the series but not as bad as everyone says but without this we wouldn't have gotten 'Staged' and that wouldn't have been good
Maybe but Staged Series 2 wasn't good imo.
@@MovieMagic515 Pointing that out still doesn't detract from the fact that without this, Staged 1 wouldn't have been made.
Basically, what point were you trying to make?
I see a Scongo profile picture, you are a person of culture
@@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849 That i didn't like Series 2.
@@theweirdhat Scongo?
I always liked that it was the best temp in chiswick that figured out how long they'd actually been fighting.
I love Donna so much.
@@user-is7xs1mr9y she my favourite companion in new who tbh
Ngl the hath dieing always brings up artex memories 😭😭
always been a personal favourite episode of mine, just found jenny so cool and charming -- i wanted to see more of her (and still dlo!)
If you're interested in audio dramas, there is a whole series about her
Jenny was my bisexual awakening no cap
Character dynamic between her and doctor was absolutely amazing. So much potential. That is what makes it my favourite too.
The ending of Donna's story with the doctor broke something in me
I'm gonna cry again when u analyse this episode :(
It was the saddest departure in my opinion. I'm talking about the modern era, I haven't watched Classic Who.
Interesting theory "Last Thursdayism". Imagine you could create a false set of memories and put them, say, in a pocket watch....memories of regenerations which never happened, and fantasies of a "Timeless Child"....
This episodes is very snazzy. Don't understand how others dislike it. It's just nice and even if it is weaker overall, it's got some great moments like the doctor talking about Galifrey in the prison, or the doctor talking about his old family, or the doctor holding the gun to Cobb's head, or Donna describing their adventures, or Donna working out the dates or Martha being sad over the mute Hath friend. Honestly just good.
I love this episode, not just the incredible twist, but because its how Tennant and Georgia Moffett met, So we can say that the Doctor's daughter met the Doctor while playing the Doctors daughter, married the Doctor then had the Doctors daughter.
Harbo, i'm not sure you're aware of this but Georgia (the actress who plays Jenny) is the daughter of Peter Davison and is married to David Tennant
Wait, really?!
@@HarboWholmes untill I watched the episode, I thought this was serious. However: 1:00
Damn. Imagine not knowing that.
@@HarboWholmes I know right!
And Peter Capaldi is Matt Smith's father in law, Tom Baker and Colin Baker are both cousins and both bread bakers.
Edit: I forgot Peter Davison is Russel T Davis' son and Steven Moffat is Georgia Moffet's uncle
Did Harbo seriously say *"YEETED"* ?
I think the trio of The Doctor, Martha and Donna could have a good chemistry and I would have liked to see more off-world adventures with the three. Martha’s similarity to the Doctor would give a good dynamic between her and Donna in tense moments. I wish we’d seen more
This is such an underrated episode! The twist with the dates is one of my favourites of the whole show. And the "I never would" scene is just iconic.
Never understood the hate this episode gets. I LOVE IT! When I was a kid watching this for the first time, I didn't see what the episode was called before the cold opener, so I didn't get clickbaited. Overall, I just love how this episode touches on the Doctor's past subtly without revealing anything, exploring that ONE prior mention to Rose about how he once had a family. It reminds you of the history of the character despite his age. Then when Jenny dies (Ummm...Spoilers XD) I love the tense moment where it seems as if he is going to kill Cobb ( *Or As You Put It Corn On A Cobb XD* ), only to say "I never would" and throwing the gun away in such disgust, again epitomising the resilience of the Doctor. Despite all his pain, he still continues to remain a good man. Plus yeah, the similarities between the Doctor and Jenny exploring the Doctor's time as a soldier, and the Doctor's speech about Time Lords are HOLY! The episode has *layers* !
Also, 30:14 *LMAO*
I always hoped Jenny would return because she had enough time lord DNA so Jenny could return even if David’s wife didn’t want to return. It would be a great episode. If Chinbail does revisit Jenny I hope he doesn’t screw the episode up.
This whole episode takes part in proving Chibnalls "Timeless Children" is garbage
Somewhere in here, I feel like there's a good moral tale about war, but it's just bogged down by too many plot elements.
a two parter would've been nice.
Martha is a Doctor, she doesn't need His encouragement to help those who need help. First, do no harm. Martha will help anyone, regardless of species, who needs medical help. I love Martha as an equal to Sarah Jane as the second best companion after Donna.
Have you ranked companions?
Donna
Sarah Jane / Martha Jones
Leela / Romana
Susan / Ian / Barbara
Rose
Damn good point about Jenny's clothes...
When the meta crisis spawns, Donna remarks "You're naked!" They could have filmed Jenny's legs and shoulders.
anyone else always assume mark gatiss made eleven kiss jenny in the crimson horror to make sure nobody thought it was the same jenny
Matt and Katrina improvised that scene together ("I'm going to add a kiss" "well then I'm adding a slap!"). Gatiss didn't have it in his script.
@dr103 And the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler love story is pedophile.
@dr103 And the Doctor is even more older that the universe...
@@mayotango1317 Pedophilia isn't attraction to someone younger, it's attraction to children specifically. Rose isn't a child.
@@mayotango1317 a 80 year old dating a 20 year old is entirely legal and not pedophilia
One of my favorite episodes of all time, and definitely a very rewatchable episode (I base ratings on two things, the quality of the episode and the rewatchability, so even though a few episodes might be really good, they don't have a rewatchable factor, and several episodes are not so good, but are at least rewatchable---being good and rewatchable puts you in a much higher tier)
I keep imagining that I'm in a universe where Firefly is on it's 15th season, where Torchwood didn't go to America(and Ianto is still alive) , where Jenny(although it should be spelled Genni/Geni) has her own series, and so does the Paternoster Gang. (and we get annual specials with Clara and Ashildr/Me--with guest star River Song or Bill Potts/Heather or even Nardole among others)
I like how this video's title was the clickbait, rather than the episode
Gotta love the aunty donna clip in the middle!!!
I have to disagree. Jenny DID regenerate, she was used to show that the doctor could regenerate WITHOUT changing as he ends up doing in the season finale.
But she didn’t use the spare body part method though, and she didn’t produce the energy, it came from the outside. And granted the seventh doctor’s regeneration had lighting but Jenny didn’t change appearance like he did, and the energy looks exactly like the energy from the source, therefore it’s not a regeneration, it’s a resurrection.
This episode is one of my earliest memories of powerfully connecting with the name Jenny. I later took it as my true name when I came out as trans, making the theme of the rejected/reconciled female double quite apt!
Based for getting your real name from doctor who
I personally love this episode. Not only because I adore Jenny, but I also think it’s a phenomenal exploration of war’s pointlessness, and some of the best characterizations of Donna and Martha and showing their worth completely outside of being The Doctor’s companions. I don’t consider it weak at all.
One thing that I never noticed in this episode is that when Jenny steals the shuttle, just like how it reflects the doctor stealing a tardis, the shuttle has these round things on the walls. Just like the original tardis. I think both that scene and the design of the shuttle's cockpit were meant to reflect the doctor.
I love the idea of him becoming a god to this society, that’s something I’d never really thought of before but it makes so so much sense
Posting this on a bunch of your videos to help metrics:
Thank you so much for making this series. Doctor Who was my favourite tv show as a kid, and was literally the only interest that every member of my family had in common, so it was very special to us growing up. Watching all your deep dives into each of the NuWho episodes has been a very nostalgic experience for me, so thank you thank you xx
I'll be honest Harbo
I don't give a shit about Skillshare
I don't think even Harbo cares, but we can't blame him ... starting a RUclips channel is tough
GI Jane?
*will smith anger intensifies*
If River Song can regenerate, Jenny absolutely can. She's at least 80% Time Lord while River's at least 80% Human.
7:00 at least RTD remembered Martha is a doctor instead of Chibnall Ignoring the fact the Yaz is a police officer in many earlier stories
Honestly? this has always been one of my favorite episodes and I don't understand why people call it the weakest one of this series. it's fun with just enough heavy stuff for me to enjoy
So this episode i think could of benefitted by being a two parter cause it feels like everything is a little bit rushed and stuffed. I think it needed more time to flesh things out a little bit.
I would of liked to have his daughter stay on and become like a 4th Doctor/Romana tutoring esq relationship. Like him teaching her about things she might not understand. The doctor, donna and jenny could of been a interesting tardis trio and what could of been.
This episode is very meh and each series has a weak episode and unfortunately this is this series weakest
Martha Jones did not come by her compassion and dedication to the well-being of her patient through her association with the Doctor. She’s a physician in training when she meets the Doctor.
Yep, all of the Martha Jones episodes are about a pair of docs.
Really bad example of "hypocrisy" being against something that you did in the past isn't hypocrisy, its growth
I’ll say this the shabogan name has been used so many times throughout the show in expanded media or not, which is why Jenny can’t regenerate (even though people think she can), but this episode was always a favourite of mine as it was just so powerful and the doctor saying what a timelord is and how Jenny isn’t one but then he sees her as actually one of his own and it’s just beautiful.
I liked the irony of the line about genocide being committed 'over my dead body!' by the doctor
The only problem i have with the ending is not never being revisited by the series.
The whole 'generations' thing would have worked a lot better if Cobb had been as young as everyone else. The fact that he's old begs the question, why doesn't he know the truth?
I have such a vivid memory of coming into the school playground on monday morning and everyone excitedly discussing the trailer for this episode and all the theories we had about what was going to happen
I'll stick with Gallifreyan. If it were to up to me the first female doctor would have been Jenny. Sort of like a passing of the torch or even setting up the Valeyard
No, Jenny is Jenny.
One thing that never gets talked about is Cobb's age. The conflict has supposedly only lasted 7 days, with everyone forgetting due to the huge turn over of casualties. This is all backed up by the fact that all the soldiers are young, showing that they’ve all only recently been birthed. Yet Cobb is an old man. How can this be? even if he was birthed near the start of the conflict he can’t have aged up so quickly.
My personal head canon is that he is not a clone, he is the last surviving member of the original crew, he was around at the start of the conflict, and possibly caused it, hence he is the only one dissatisfied with the outcome and tries to kill the Doctor. If he was around at the start and he will know the reason the war began and so maintains his unquenchable hatred of the Hath.
This doesn’t explain everything. Why doesn’t he know about the terraforming device, or how to get there? Well maybe he does and is lying about its nature for propaganda purposes. Or maybe this is all nonsense and he was birthed old instead of young for some reason….. who knows.
Feel like this story ought to have been a comic, or one of those Infinity-Quest-esque animations. Somehow, it's in the wrong medium.
I've always been one to say there's no such thing as a bad story - just stories being told in an ill-fitting medium. A baggy suit looks slimming on a larger man.
The Doctor's Daughter has some wonderful ideas in it, but ultimately nothing hangs together.
The war lasts generations, but that turns out to be just a few days. Brilliant idea. Fantastic, really diverting concept. But in terms of the storyline, what difference does it make? It's revealed as though it's the path to getting the Doctor and co out of the hole they're in, but instead, it turns out to be just a quirk of the war. It doesn't alter how anything is resolved, and plays zero role in how the Doctor wins the day.
It would have worked better if both sides were searching for a member of the original crew of the ship, because only the original crew know how to release 'The Source'. The original captain, say. The Doctor will haughtily sniff at the religious overtone of it, insisting to the soldiers that the captain must have died long ago. But then the Doctor gets caught out at the end when he and the others ACTUALLY FIND THE CAPTAIN STILL ALIVE but injured, because it turns out that he only crash-landed on the planet the previous week. Martha gives the captain some much-needed medical treatment, and then, once he's recovered enough, he can then release the powers of the Autobot Matrix of Leadersh-... er, I mean of the Source. That would have meant the pay-off at the end of the plot is a real turn-up as a result of the war's briefness, plus it would give Martha a functioning role relevant to the plot.
As it stands, Martha shouldn't even be in the story, it has nothing to do with her, and her sideplot is irrelevant. It could have been made important if the Hath had not been killed on the surface, and had reached the Doctor with Martha. The rest of the Hath could have had the Doc, Donna and Genny cornered, say, but Martha's friend intervenes and persuades its comrades to spare them. Without that, the Martha sideplot is utterly inconsequential and just feels like padding crowbarred in to fill out the story to 50 minutes.
As I say, with just a few bits of tinkering, this could have been a genuinely quality story. Instead, it's just a few beguiling ideas on the periphery of a very basic and linear plot.
I'm so excited for you to cover Turn Left & Midnight! :) Best back to back episodes in doctor who ever I reckon!
2:35 Aw yeah try get that Broden gif past me unnoticed huh?
17:13 OOH WE PLAYIN LIKE THAT HUH
RTD Doctor Who did well to show Martha putting her medical knowledge to good use. Meanwhile, from what I've heard about Chibnall's Who, Yaz keeps ignoring or doing things contrary to the police training she should have. That's the difference between a writer who cares enough to put the work in, and a writer who just lazily slaps something together.
Yaz is basically an door, nah even an door has more utility, the character barely know how to use an gun or take actions when in danger, just ridiculous...
I just noticed now the red chairs at 23:17. We have the same ones in white at one of the metro stations of line 4 in Budapest and from a certain angle they look like a stylized version of Darth Vader's helmet. :D
Wow, in this video we have both Donna and Aunty Donna. Perfection.
I really enjoy Jenny’s adventures in the comics. She turns into an absolute badass it’s sick, I recommend checking it out
This quote sums up the Doctor not knowing Jenny’s alive following in his footsteps,
“Without witness, without reward” - 12th Doctor
Now she’s the clone of an extra dimensional being with infinite regeneration
26:00 Slight correction but as I recall from an interview with Moffat, he didn't ask Davies to keep Jenny alive, rather he simply commented that Davies kept creating interesting characters only to kill them off, and this led to Davies making the change. You're welcome to believe otherwise, as I have never managed to find the interview again.
I think in some ways, the doctor himself rarely saves the universe. It's usually alot more to do with the people he comes into contact with, such as Jenny. The Doctor is a message, and the message is hope. Don't get me wrong, he does his fair share of saving and such, but likelihood is that the people he's been in contact with, and who he's inspired have saved at the very least a similar amount of lives.
The only Doctor who focussed on saving the universe without relying on the support of his companions is John Hurt. He had companions in the Big Finish stories but when McGann regenerated, he did so with a mission in mind. Hurt carried out that mission and would have done so whether his companions were there or not. He's the only Doctor who was strong enough to look after himself for centuries - if the other Doctor's didn't have companions, they still had Clara's echoes watching over them while Hurt was cut off from Clara, presumably because of the Time Lock - and I think it's because he was hyper focussed on ending the Time War without being distracted by anything else until the Moment reminded him of who he was.
Peck! His name is Peck! 😥
Jenny should have been the timeless child and then the 1st doctor rescues her as she has regenerated into Susan. Explaining why they ran away at the beginning
The only thing I disagree with is Jenny's ending being good. I HATE these kind of endings, it's the worst part of the Moffat era for me. It feels like such a cheap cop-out, where a writer is too cowardly to ever kill anyone off and it ruins the tension
especially considering she never appears in another episode, I'll have to agree with you.
In watch episodes? I remember more deaths in the Moffat era.
@dr103 Say that to Danny Pink...
@dr103 No, in the latest Christmas episode of Capaldi it is revealed that they are all dead. Clara and "Me" were allegedly captured by the Time Lords before Spyfall. And River's soul is trapped in a virtual library, it sounds more like a trap than a happy ending.
@dr103 Amy and Rory also pretty much died. two companions at once.
No matter how you feel about this episode, you can'y deny how powerful that final scene is with Ten and Jenny/Cobb. Legit makes me choke up everytime and the soundtrack that follows is superb.
Don’t know if anyone else has commented on this but the cut on the back of their hands looks a lot like the one on the gas mask people from the empty child.
R.I.P Hath Peck
Yay, Looms! They're cannon...'til they're not 🤣🤣🤣