It was so fun to see this in person today! Even better to see the "what else was happening" in the video... Now back to the real world/ post-con hangover. :)
DualTM seems like a waay better implementation of what the new Moog Labyrinth does, thank goodness, cos that was the part of that device that really piqued my interest
The new O-C looks great! Hopefully boards will be available from the usual suspects? I DIY'd something very similar using the Teensy 4.1, the PJRC audio shield and an LTC1857 8 channel A/D. The LTC1857 is a bit expensive but it has programmable input range and offset. Thanks for all the great work you do!
Is it 10hp or 12? Looks 12 but just curious. Also any updates from Paul on when the general public can expect to get our grubby little hands on pre-made versions of these?
Amazing project! Thank you! Is this 8 channel version open source? If it is, where can I find gerbers or files for the project? I would totally give it a try.
Oh man, I'm loving everything about this new unit (and, f/w obviously!) - already have the OG Plum OCP, but this looks like it'd still make a nice up-(side?)-grade while harvesting some more HP! Panel design is also right up my sleek-industrial alley; like a cross between ADDAC & Modulaire Maritime, or even ALM. 🎯
@@Phazerville Thanks for the reply! I'm not sure how to do those things but I'll try to figure it out. I'll try using ChatGPT to write some pitch tracking code, perhaps, and see if that can be ported to the O_c! Cheers
@@Phazerville Hey! I tried sending a pull request with some code I got ChatGPT to write (after some prompts), but Phazer Github denied it saying I'm not a collaborator. I'm not at all in programming and don't really know how Github works or the ethics of the community. Is there any chance I could share what it came up with somehow/somewhere? Or am I being naive?
@@Phazerville Hello again, I tried sending a pull request but was denied for not being a collaborator... anyway, after a few prompts I got ChatGPT to write a pitch tracking programme for the O_c/Phazer. Is there some way or somewhere I could share this where someone could take a look at it? I apologize if I'm being naive or annoying. Cheers!
@@gdrdm Hey friend! Sounds like you might be in over your head... when a dev says "send a pull request" it basically means, "do the work yourself and show me when it's functional" ... ChatGPT might give you clues, but you'll need to build and test it on your actual O_C module before contributing! I plan on making an O_C development tutorial vid one of these days...
I love you bro, so glad you are back in the game with this. Hey so with the Dual TM is that only a teensy 4.- thing to be able to have different quantization per channel? How do I get that?
Slightly off topic question- in quadraturia, since range is assymetric -3.5v to +6v, I’m struggling trying to figure out how to adjust the range and offset to get a symmetric -3.5v to +3.5v range… any suggestions?
Ok yea, but I mean do you have any ideas on how the numbers for the “output range” and “offset” relate to voltages? The numbers are just like 1 to 230 on the range and -128 to +127 on the offset. Just trying to figure out how those equate to voltages
Very kewl! Does Dual TM have the ability to accept resets? I feel like this is one of the major limitations of most TM/shift register modules, especially if you wanna explore odd pattern lengths. Even better might be if it could also trigger its own resets every bar or 2.
It does not, but it could be possible. I've been embracing the chaos with this one, but I'm starting to see why a reset might be cool. It's tricky, because there's no real start/end, the bits are just constantly shifting. EnigmaJr has a reset tho...
@@Phazerville I don't know that it needs to be a "real" start/end point as such - the reset point in the register could be arbitrarily selected - it just needs to then be repeatable. To take it even further, it would be ideal to be able move the reset point (in a similar fashion to rotating a Euclidean pattern) to define where the register falls relative to the beat/bars. AFAIK the only way to do that with typical TM's is to add or remove clock steps. I've also had this idea floating around in my head for a pattern generator that combines Euclidean (or modified Euclid like Shakmat's Knights Gallop) with reversed 8-Bit bit table patterns like the Mazzatron Golden Shower, either CV/manual switched between, or combined with various logic operations. I'm not a code guy though - just an ideas guy.
A good solution is to have a reset value, that IS a point in the sequence. Even better, would also to be a way to capture the current value of the shift register, to use as a reset value. Super math 5 star achievement would be to back calculate from the rest point, or fo forward & backward. Maybe I need to pick up some software skills and put my keyboard where my idea is.
@@Phazerville You're one of the good ones! I highly recommend munching on ¢a$hewz and drinking Cranberry Red Bull. Unfortunately Cranberry flavor is no longer made so you'll have to drink the Blue version. BTW a ¢a$hew is a seed not a nut, although I wasn't always aware of this myself!
Only the new O_C T4.1 has MIDI expansion and it's not released or for sale yet. If you ask DJ Phazer nicely, maybe you can get into the beta test for early access to the new hardware. If you manage to get one of the betas, it comes with the MIDI & USB expansion panel (because the idea is to be able to actually beta test the new features...)
@@PaulStoffregen Paul, thanks so much for responding, that explains some. I would very much appreciate volunteering for a beta test, though I have the tendency to drive developers up the wall for pushing tests to extremes 😅
It was so fun to see this in person today! Even better to see the "what else was happening" in the video... Now back to the real world/ post-con hangover. :)
@@manweilermusic ayy right on! Glad to meet you! Excited to see how it might mangle some electric violin 🎻
I literally had a dream about using an o_c at audio rate last night. Now o_c processing audio is real?!
You're doing a gods work, I can't thank you enough! Stoked to get a hold of this!
@@dynalix Don't encourage my god complex! I'm just a messenger! 😜
DualTM seems like a waay better implementation of what the new Moog Labyrinth does, thank goodness, cos that was the part of that device that really piqued my interest
TIme to "steal" some 4U , no ? Just don;t tell me .. please...don't
The new O-C looks great! Hopefully boards will be available from the usual suspects? I DIY'd something very similar using the Teensy 4.1, the PJRC audio shield and an LTC1857 8 channel A/D. The LTC1857 is a bit expensive but it has programmable input range and offset. Thanks for all the great work you do!
Damn this looks sick. SD slot could be cool for sequence storage, esp if you can knock together a simple software editor
@@timnordberg7204 Oh for sure... I'm dreaming of a MIDI file player, or maybe something simple like CSV... As well as sample playback 😎
Thanks , this looks amazing . Is it possible to order the PCB from somewhere?
not yet... but the schematic is up on github
stronger is impossible:-)
Damn, that's incredible. The 8-channel o_c looks so incredibly useful.
You get a sub from another Michigan synth guy.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Right on! There are a lot of us weirdos in the Mitten 🤓
This was wild. Thanks for sharing!!! I guess I'm going to have to get another O_C 😏
Shit. I just bought a second O_C. I wonder when these dual units will be available?
Is it 10hp or 12? Looks 12 but just curious.
Also any updates from Paul on when the general public can expect to get our grubby little hands on pre-made versions of these?
@@andrewnancarrow It's 10hp! The designs are done. The flood gates may be opening soon...
@@Phazerville yesssss
Would be cool if a design included those triggers and attenuators
like the plum audio ocp-X ones 🤩
@@Phazerville can’t wait! So since there are 8 outputs does that mean there can be 4 different hemispheres running?
Can I have my cat back now? I thought the Pleiades was enough, but I will make you a Marbles and some muffins of your choice. I just want her back!!!!
@@calsynth The cat is yours, too?! I swear I didn't know! 🙀
Amazing project! Thank you!
Is this 8 channel version open source?
If it is, where can I find gerbers or files for the project?
I would totally give it a try.
@@dragos.andriana It will be open source soon! We're doing a round of hardware beta testing first... Check Paul's GitHub in the description.
I'm definitely in favor of renaming Dual TM "Two Rings!"
Thanks for your work. I love what you have done.
This is awesome!
Is there some info on how to use a Teensy 4.1 on an original O_C?
Would love to try it
@@eagel111 it kinda just works, if you connect the right pins and use my firmware... Teensy 4.0 is also a drop-in replacement
Oh man, I'm loving everything about this new unit (and, f/w obviously!) - already have the OG Plum OCP, but this looks like it'd still make a nice up-(side?)-grade while harvesting some more HP!
Panel design is also right up my sleek-industrial alley; like a cross between ADDAC & Modulaire Maritime, or even ALM. 🎯
Credit to Andrew (yratof) and Teemac for helping develop the panel!
Wtf this is probably why I cant be any longer without oc 😄🖖
@@modulove don't miss out! 😬
Any chance the Suite could get a pitch tracker? For audio to pitch-cv shenanigans...
@@gdrdm Write one and send a pull request! Accurate pitch detection is tricky, but possible...
@@Phazerville Thanks for the reply! I'm not sure how to do those things but I'll try to figure it out. I'll try using ChatGPT to write some pitch tracking code, perhaps, and see if that can be ported to the O_c! Cheers
@@Phazerville Hey! I tried sending a pull request with some code I got ChatGPT to write (after some prompts), but Phazer Github denied it saying I'm not a collaborator. I'm not at all in programming and don't really know how Github works or the ethics of the community. Is there any chance I could share what it came up with somehow/somewhere? Or am I being naive?
@@Phazerville Hello again, I tried sending a pull request but was denied for not being a collaborator... anyway, after a few prompts I got ChatGPT to write a pitch tracking programme for the O_c/Phazer. Is there some way or somewhere I could share this where someone could take a look at it? I apologize if I'm being naive or annoying. Cheers!
@@gdrdm Hey friend! Sounds like you might be in over your head... when a dev says "send a pull request" it basically means, "do the work yourself and show me when it's functional" ... ChatGPT might give you clues, but you'll need to build and test it on your actual O_C module before contributing!
I plan on making an O_C development tutorial vid one of these days...
I love you bro, so glad you are back in the game with this. Hey so with the Dual TM is that only a teensy 4.- thing to be able to have different quantization per channel? How do I get that?
Bear with me I’m a bit of a borderline boomer with code
@@andrewnancarrow something new in v1.7.1 😉
Slightly off topic question- in quadraturia, since range is assymetric -3.5v to +6v, I’m struggling trying to figure out how to adjust the range and offset to get a symmetric -3.5v to +3.5v range… any suggestions?
You'll want to use the settings to reduce the amplitude level, and then use a negative offset to center the wave around 0V. It's kinda goofy.
Ok yea, but I mean do you have any ideas on how the numbers for the “output range” and “offset” relate to voltages? The numbers are just like 1 to 230 on the range and -128 to +127 on the offset. Just trying to figure out how those equate to voltages
Damn boy
You will build me one i can buy you a lot coffee ;-)
lol I'm not exactly a hardware maker, but... maybe I'll attempt it ;)
I know that, but a module made by "Phazerville" is just something special. Think of all the coffees you can buy from it
"You. I wanna take you to the GAYBAR!"
@@JesseSep. "Tell me do ya.... do ya have any money?" 😂
Very kewl! Does Dual TM have the ability to accept resets? I feel like this is one of the major limitations of most TM/shift register modules, especially if you wanna explore odd pattern lengths. Even better might be if it could also trigger its own resets every bar or 2.
It does not, but it could be possible. I've been embracing the chaos with this one, but I'm starting to see why a reset might be cool. It's tricky, because there's no real start/end, the bits are just constantly shifting.
EnigmaJr has a reset tho...
@@Phazerville I don't know that it needs to be a "real" start/end point as such - the reset point in the register could be arbitrarily selected - it just needs to then be repeatable.
To take it even further, it would be ideal to be able move the reset point (in a similar fashion to rotating a Euclidean pattern) to define where the register falls relative to the beat/bars.
AFAIK the only way to do that with typical TM's is to add or remove clock steps.
I've also had this idea floating around in my head for a pattern generator that combines Euclidean (or modified Euclid like Shakmat's Knights Gallop) with reversed 8-Bit bit table patterns like the Mazzatron Golden Shower, either CV/manual switched between, or combined with various logic operations.
I'm not a code guy though - just an ideas guy.
A good solution is to have a reset value, that IS a point in the sequence. Even better, would also to be a way to capture the current value of the shift register, to use as a reset value. Super math 5 star achievement would be to back calculate from the rest point, or fo forward & backward. Maybe I need to pick up some software skills and put my keyboard where my idea is.
@@justinkoller6599 I'm definitely going to try out some of these ideas. It would be a great coding exercise though, if you beat me to it 😜
That was rad!!
MICHIGAN GANG RISE UP
@@bigman3274 BIG UP IN THE MITTEN
Do you like salted cashews?
For sure, I love nuts! ...is this a reference to something I don't get? 😅
@@Phazerville You're one of the good ones! I highly recommend munching on ¢a$hewz and drinking Cranberry Red Bull. Unfortunately Cranberry flavor is no longer made so you'll have to drink the Blue version. BTW a ¢a$hew is a seed not a nut, although I wasn't always aware of this myself!
Ah yes, and peanuts are actually legumes! I admittedly like Red Bull on occasion but I'm usually content with my fruit seed soup ☕
Anyone know where the MIDI expansion for O&C can be bought? 🥲
Only the new O_C T4.1 has MIDI expansion and it's not released or for sale yet. If you ask DJ Phazer nicely, maybe you can get into the beta test for early access to the new hardware. If you manage to get one of the betas, it comes with the MIDI & USB expansion panel (because the idea is to be able to actually beta test the new features...)
@@PaulStoffregen Paul, thanks so much for responding, that explains some. I would very much appreciate volunteering for a beta test, though I have the tendency to drive developers up the wall for pushing tests to extremes 😅
@@KPsTboy Sorry, it's too late now. I already have 14 requests for the final 5 beta test units.
LMFAO im the guy that sent the text in the thumbnail it is an honor to be here 🫡
hahah yessss, I hope the nickname sticks... new D&M module? ;)