This is very helpful. Thank you Keith. I'm no longer Christian but I certainly do believe in Jesus, and it never made sense that he or God would have any wrath to begin with. We are not perfect but an imperfect creation and if God loves us immensely then there should be nothing to be accounted for.
I had an OBE and experienced God. He spoke to me and his peace and love surrounded and flowed through me. Yes, his voice was stern and loving but never any wrath or anger like the Bible describes. It’s definitely man’s projection.
Love what you said about the prodigals brother. It is an example of how some Christians think some people are deserving of an eternal hell and not forgiving like the Father. That is probably another thing Christ was trying to show in that parable I had never thought of before.
so true about the brother, not the Father, being the angry and unmerciful one. it is always the other Christians, isn't it, like "Lord shall we call down fIrE on them?? shall we slAy with the sword???"
Wrath was never from the Father who sent Jesus. When Jesus came to earth, He said He had come to destroy the works of "the ruler of this world". Wrath was one of those works. There were two Gods/ gods in the old testament. See Malachi 9:1, and Amos 4:11 to begin the search.
He that believeth in the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 Read the word and think for yourself. Dont listen to people think for you and who try to explain away hard things as if they werent even there and dont have to be delt with.
Jesus also mentioned "the ruler of this world" three times, and it wasn't His Heavenly Father. He said "he's coming for me but has nothing in me", "he's being judged", and "I've come to destroy his works". Satan wanted to be God, and said he would be. Rulership of this world was given to him when Adam sinned. Jesus came to redeem us from the power the devil had over us, and restore our relationship back to the Father. Satan had wrath all through the old testament. Jesus came to show us what our true Father is like.
This is very helpful. Thank you Keith. I'm no longer Christian but I certainly do believe in Jesus, and it never made sense that he or God would have any wrath to begin with. We are not perfect but an imperfect creation and if God loves us immensely then there should be nothing to be accounted for.
What a blessing to listen to this. Best explanation I have come across! Thank you @keithgiles
I had an OBE and experienced God. He spoke to me and his peace and love surrounded and flowed through me. Yes, his voice was stern and loving but never any wrath or anger like the Bible describes. It’s definitely man’s projection.
Love what you said about the prodigals brother. It is an example of how some Christians think some people are deserving of an eternal hell and not forgiving like the Father. That is probably another thing Christ was trying to show in that parable I had never thought of before.
so true about the brother, not the Father, being the angry and unmerciful one. it is always the other Christians, isn't it, like "Lord shall we call down fIrE on them?? shall we slAy with the sword???"
amen. the anger of God(Yahuwah) is his longsuffering. we are the ones that get angry with each other. with Yahuwah there is only mercy and love.
Amen! Love This ❤️
Excellent.
So, I’m other words…reconciliation triumphs over wrath?
Wrath was never from the Father who sent Jesus. When Jesus came to earth, He said He had come to destroy the works of "the ruler of this world". Wrath was one of those works.
There were two Gods/ gods in the old testament. See Malachi 9:1, and Amos 4:11 to begin the search.
Amen
He that believeth in the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36
Read the word and think for yourself. Dont listen to people think for you and who try to explain away hard things as if they werent even there and dont have to be delt with.
Jesus also mentioned "the ruler of this world" three times, and it wasn't His Heavenly Father. He said "he's coming for me but has nothing in me", "he's being judged", and "I've come to destroy his works".
Satan wanted to be God, and said he would be. Rulership of this world was given to him when Adam sinned. Jesus came to redeem us from the power the devil had over us, and restore our relationship back to the Father. Satan had wrath all through the old testament. Jesus came to show us what our true Father is like.