The discursive approach to populism explained & compared to the ideational one

In this video, Dr Stijn van Kessel (Queen Mary University of London) is discussing with Dr Giorgos Katsambekis (Loughborough University) about the specificities and merits of the discursive approach to populism, that is inspired by the work of Ernesto Laclau, and compare it to the ideational approach, inspired by the work of Cas Mudde.