I can see this type of set becoming more important in specificaly odyssey. Lack of sub jobs would require gear to supplement. Seeing these numbers though blows my mind, especially thinking what new Empy set will look like because it should be a step up even from this.
Something I really want to test is a Corsair’s Avengers Roll. That’s an additional 24% Counter so your build becomes 68% Counter. Avengers and Samurai Roll for tanking.-
That would be incredible, but if your still Evading 80% of the time I'm still fearful it's not going to have the impact I am hoping it would. I'm almost thinking maybe to use less eva in the accessories of the set in an effort to proc Counter more, but that really sounds backwards to me. Regardless it's pretty awesome we have multiple ways to evade attacks now above that 80% cap and keep pushing total evasion closer to 100%. I engaged Mboze today and immediately Intimidated his first spell, made me smile.
@@NextGamesGuide You would have floored evasion on anything serious tho. Unless with 2x mambo (possibly with SV). So counter sets seems interesting against group of high lvl mobs. Now for single mob Im not sure, because ideally you would want to keep shadows anyway, so counter wouldn't work. Unless switch to counter only when casting shadows, but interrupting shadow casting on NIN is usually not an issue, unless against some hundred fisting enemy or someone naturally hitting a lot like Caith? So Im not sure if avanger roll would be that useful for single enemy.
Hahaha WOW Next what a badass video. I was LOL just wow. 3 malignance pieces to go and i will have the full set. It has taken me about 50 runs so far so I have indeed been fortunate.
Christ, I was recently building Ninja about 2 weeks ago and I pretty much had the Mpaca set from the beginning because I was going into Odyssey on samurai yeah I think I'll stick with this and build on the other stuff that's not defensive. My best katana is a augmented Tancho+1 I want to get that Ambu Katana next.
Awesome video. I was looking through the evasion video, and couldn't see what the accessories were when you switch the second mpaca evasion set. Looks like a Dring, gelatinous ring, elemental belt, odnowa earring, eabani earring.. unsure on the neck? Could you point me to the video where you touch on those accessories, if not in the evasion one? Thank you!
The thing that boggles my mind about the higher evasion, is Mpaca actually has total lower EVA than Malignance AND far less AGI; and, Mpaca has far better DEF, HP and VIT. So the taking less damage makes sense when you stack on the pdt etc, however the only thing I can think of for evading better with less EVA is that SE is implementing invisible stats to armor we can't currently see. An example of this 'might' be that the armor is technically higher than '119' maybe and therefore you are treated like a higher level target? Idk. Se and there weird stats/armor/formulas. *edit* does the parser count a 'intimidate' as evasion? cuz the set does have 17~ on it.
I had a similar thought, as I have no explanation as to why this set did as well as it did over and over and over. I kept thinking it must be some mistake. I do NOT know how the parse calculates intimidate, but yes I have a feeling both intimdate and counters go into the parrying column
Mpaca Killer Effects combo w/ Counter is making all the difference which is seriously eye opening. Even in using just WS sets utilizing Mpaca I was seeing Intimidation kick in vs Gin. Mpaca Body + Legs w/ rest Malignance would probably be best in almost all scenarios minus Gin since he is THF and Daken will never touch him w/o any R.Acc.
Thanks for doing this, awesome test. Do you have gearsets, mentioned in this video or otherwise, on FFXIAH or centralized anywhere else in written form that would be easier to pull from? I'm finding scrubbing through the videos and trying to read the equipviewer icons to be tad difficult.
The entire series is devoted to this with many video's being on individual gearsets. I go through each in detail and why decisions were made in the video's on this series. ruclips.net/p/PLYtZg50CYZI49pmOmfGDGAXg42WCz_Ov2 The Mpaca set I speak of here is simply the evasion set with Mpaca gear swapped in. The Counter set is simply the Evasion set with Mpaca body, Counter +10 Back, Empy Pants and Bathy Choker. Hope this helps.
Can you make a video with the Nyame set? It seems as good as the Mpaca + Malignance together as for evasion, M evasion and DT and you get more HP and DEF. Seems like a great tanking set?
It's an good tanking set but really I prefer Malignance Head, Hands Feet and MPaca body, Legs for my new tanking set. Nyame is good but I really see most using it for the Weaponskill path or magic path and not turning it into a tp/def set. Will be doing some vids on the new set options soon and will be covering this.
I'm not though all of your vids as a new subscriber. But I'm curious of a few things. If you happen to plan on any other job guides like you did nin. I'm a thf, pld, rdm, sam, dark, nin. Also as a returning player after a number of years, some of these gears seem very difficult to obtain solo. If you have addressed any of these I apologize and thanks for the awesome vids. I know they take time!
Thanks for joining us on the channel. I am currently working on a guides for Red Mage, Dragoon, Thief and Summoner that will be out later in the year but no Ninja is the one I've covered extensively at this time. In regards to difficult to obtain gears, you are correct there is definitely a progression there. I would recommend checking out my A Guide to Ninja series from the start if you have not. Around Episode 6 I start talking about starting gearsets that help you then step up to Beginner Gear, Intermediate, Advanced, End Game and so on. This is the path I'd recommend you follow gear wise if you are returning. Hope this helps! ruclips.net/p/PLYtZg50CYZI49pmOmfGDGAXg42WCz_Ov2
I can afford the Mpaca set, but not the Ken+1 set. Would NQ Ken set still be a better dps set than NQ Mpaca? I'm currently using a combination of Adhemar (head, body, hands) and Mummu+2 (legs and feet).
HQ Ken is better than NQ MPaca but not by a huge amount. I'd probably recommend getting mpaca and then focusing on getting your malignance set which IMO is the main set you should be in right now and the one I find myself in 99% of the time.
I dont understand why, Malignance set and mpaca have the same evasion but the Kendatsuba Garb Set +1 has more evasion but you get hit alot more Am i missing something??
Not sure what you mean but Malignance has far more evasion then Kendatsuba. Just as an example 70 eva on kendatsuba +1 and 102 on Malignance. The big change here is the killer effects and counter effect on the mpaca gear. In general I find those stats aren't worth it but when facing this amount of mobs it really adds up.
Oneiros Belt and an Augmented Bathy Choker. Chocker helps quite a bit, belt is just for added HP and can really be swapped with anything including an evasion belt.
Malignance has +50 to both Acc/R.Acc while Mpaca only has +40 exclusively towards Acc itself meaning Daken can & will be an issue vs high EVA targets. Mpaca sounds amazing for MNK to TP in while Ken+1 sounds like w/ both NIN + MNK that you better have endless MP available to Cure Bomb you nonstop. NIN 3/5 Malignance w/ Mpaca Body + Legs allows you to keep R.Acc at a decent +150 while also keeping Counter+10 and Subtle Blow II+5 and Killer Effects +10 and a boost in MDB+12
All true, Mpaca is more of a defenders set while Malignance is more a mixed defense and DD. I truthfully have yet to really find solid use for the Mpaca, it's fun to play with some of the pieces but I've not found a solid use for any of them end game. The 3/5 combo you mention is the one I've been playing with and how it does make the set more defense minded with the counter, sb II and killer I just haven't noticed good results with it, it ends up lowering my dps and doesn't appear to offer me any more survivability based to what I would expect from 5/5 Malignance. I just stick with 5/5 Malignance as it's really hard to beat as an all around set, I rarely even equip ken+1 anymore which is kind of sad. Perhaps the higher tier augs released for this set next week will change my mind. :)
Yes I'm comparing the elite sets that I have gone over in previous videos in the series and how they compare to the new set. Sets to me include everything including accessories and how it works together. So comparing my DD set (Kendatsuba), normal BossDD set (Malignance), normal Eva set (Malignance with eva) and this set (tanking set) which despite it's lower eva numbers then the Malignance set shows promise in total evasion due to it's additional stats.
Not likely. White damage suffers a lot with this build. Also your mostly not fighting so much at once and don't need this kind of Evasion. Evasion builds have always been a thing. Just taken a back seat since zerg meta became a thing.
Seriously what do you have going on here? Because of this video I got access, win and bought the Mpaca's set. Went and grabbed 1 - One - (single) Apex Jagil and it beat me down. Come on man for real, how the hell you get 20 or 30 of them on you
Hmm, not sure what are you using in the rest of your slots? Are you using all the gear I have shown including the new Tsuru? What about trust setup as I do have usual trust buffs up including phalynx from koru.
I can't really make out the pictures as far as accessories or stats on your back. Got a TC event soon but I'm gonna log in now and have another look at this Mpaca's
Next time you do a test between Mpaca and Malignance at least cap PDT on the Malignance set which is probably the main you died, you were missing 11% PDT.
This video was to compare Ninja's normal gearsets vs how this one could be used. Specifically DD, BossDD and Evasion gearsets and how they compare when defensive numbers are taken into account. Changing around the normal gear we have in those sets wouldnt have made sense as this is a comparison of those sets.
@@NextGamesGuide "Let me fast forward to the end of the run and show you what happens to when we swap to our normal malignance evasion set" proceeds to die in 6 secs due to uncapped PDT, Phalanx wearing off and Yoran-Oran missing...... Of course you are going to die very quickly.
I really do think the point of this video was lost on you. The data collection showing the different defensive stats parse'ed in the sets is what was being shown here. I think your a little too focused on the part of the video where I had already shown the data of the sets and was just messing around seeing how many apex mobs one could get with this new set.
@@NextGamesGuide He is kinda right tho. When you switched to Malignance at the end, you switched to Malignance DD set, not evasion set. You had no phalanx and no healer. It's perfectly possible that with slightly higer evasion, capped PDT and phalanx and Yoran, you would stay alive almost as easily as with Mpaca.
This is insane! I love the whole system you setup to show us the numbers. Thank you!
Super detailed analysis, kudos to you 👍
I can see this type of set becoming more important in specificaly odyssey. Lack of sub jobs would require gear to supplement. Seeing these numbers though blows my mind, especially thinking what new Empy set will look like because it should be a step up even from this.
Insane. Thanks for posting this.
Something I really want to test is a Corsair’s Avengers Roll. That’s an additional 24% Counter so your build becomes 68% Counter.
Avengers and Samurai Roll for tanking.-
That would be incredible, but if your still Evading 80% of the time I'm still fearful it's not going to have the impact I am hoping it would. I'm almost thinking maybe to use less eva in the accessories of the set in an effort to proc Counter more, but that really sounds backwards to me. Regardless it's pretty awesome we have multiple ways to evade attacks now above that 80% cap and keep pushing total evasion closer to 100%. I engaged Mboze today and immediately Intimidated his first spell, made me smile.
@@NextGamesGuide dropped you a line on the forums.
@@NextGamesGuide You would have floored evasion on anything serious tho. Unless with 2x mambo (possibly with SV). So counter sets seems interesting against group of high lvl mobs. Now for single mob Im not sure, because ideally you would want to keep shadows anyway, so counter wouldn't work. Unless switch to counter only when casting shadows, but interrupting shadow casting on NIN is usually not an issue, unless against some hundred fisting enemy or someone naturally hitting a lot like Caith? So Im not sure if avanger roll would be that useful for single enemy.
Hahaha WOW Next what a badass video. I was LOL just wow. 3 malignance pieces to go and i will have the full set. It has taken me about 50 runs so far so I have indeed been fortunate.
And here I was thinking I was done with my MNK/NIN/SAM gearsets, lol. Looks like an awesome set!
Lol an PUP can use it as well. Now the PUP will be able to get closer and fight as well
Christ, I was recently building Ninja about 2 weeks ago and I pretty much had the Mpaca set from the beginning because I was going into Odyssey on samurai yeah I think I'll stick with this and build on the other stuff that's not defensive. My best katana is a augmented Tancho+1 I want to get that Ambu Katana next.
Awesome video. I was looking through the evasion video, and couldn't see what the accessories were when you switch the second mpaca evasion set. Looks like a Dring, gelatinous ring, elemental belt, odnowa earring, eabani earring.. unsure on the neck? Could you point me to the video where you touch on those accessories, if not in the evasion one? Thank you!
Hmm Bathy Choker maybe!
Aye! Most of this should be on Evasion video but some of the Unity+Odyssey gear may have not been out at the time.
Awesome, thank you for your comment and for the amazing videos!
Man... Inspired to take next steps with NIN :)
The thing that boggles my mind about the higher evasion, is Mpaca actually has total lower EVA than Malignance AND far less AGI; and, Mpaca has far better DEF, HP and VIT. So the taking less damage makes sense when you stack on the pdt etc, however the only thing I can think of for evading better with less EVA is that SE is implementing invisible stats to armor we can't currently see. An example of this 'might' be that the armor is technically higher than '119' maybe and therefore you are treated like a higher level target? Idk. Se and there weird stats/armor/formulas. *edit* does the parser count a 'intimidate' as evasion? cuz the set does have 17~ on it.
I had a similar thought, as I have no explanation as to why this set did as well as it did over and over and over. I kept thinking it must be some mistake. I do NOT know how the parse calculates intimidate, but yes I have a feeling both intimdate and counters go into the parrying column
@@NextGamesGuide well, either way, if us nin's can now hold 30 mobs... we're slowly becoming Ochainin's! (w/o the block)lol
I just added this up as well. Stats don't add up to what is obviously fact in his trials, it's way more Eva.
Mpaca Killer Effects combo w/ Counter is making all the difference which is seriously eye opening. Even in using just WS sets utilizing Mpaca I was seeing Intimidation kick in vs Gin. Mpaca Body + Legs w/ rest Malignance would probably be best in almost all scenarios minus Gin since he is THF and Daken will never touch him w/o any R.Acc.
that was crazy. looked at the sets. looks like everyone will be happy except RUN. they got shafted far as i can tell. nuking set for a tank.
About fking time. I'm a Paladin and hate how the game has been so Run eccentric.
What accessories do you have on with Kenda/Malig set?
Thanks for doing this, awesome test. Do you have gearsets, mentioned in this video or otherwise, on FFXIAH or centralized anywhere else in written form that would be easier to pull from? I'm finding scrubbing through the videos and trying to read the equipviewer icons to be tad difficult.
The entire series is devoted to this with many video's being on individual gearsets. I go through each in detail and why decisions were made in the video's on this series. ruclips.net/p/PLYtZg50CYZI49pmOmfGDGAXg42WCz_Ov2 The Mpaca set I speak of here is simply the evasion set with Mpaca gear swapped in. The Counter set is simply the Evasion set with Mpaca body, Counter +10 Back, Empy Pants and Bathy Choker. Hope this helps.
Sick! Can you make videos on how to get this new set? Soloable on NIN with trust help or need to two three man and what jobs
Released yesterday for the fight to get it, all the NM fights so far are also documented. ruclips.net/video/eVpvpn_sLqw/видео.html
Can you make a video with the Nyame set? It seems as good as the Mpaca + Malignance together as for evasion, M evasion and DT and you get more HP and DEF. Seems like a great tanking set?
It's an good tanking set but really I prefer Malignance Head, Hands Feet and MPaca body, Legs for my new tanking set. Nyame is good but I really see most using it for the Weaponskill path or magic path and not turning it into a tp/def set. Will be doing some vids on the new set options soon and will be covering this.
I'm not though all of your vids as a new subscriber. But I'm curious of a few things. If you happen to plan on any other job guides like you did nin. I'm a thf, pld, rdm, sam, dark, nin. Also as a returning player after a number of years, some of these gears seem very difficult to obtain solo. If you have addressed any of these I apologize and thanks for the awesome vids. I know they take time!
Thanks for joining us on the channel. I am currently working on a guides for Red Mage, Dragoon, Thief and Summoner that will be out later in the year but no Ninja is the one I've covered extensively at this time. In regards to difficult to obtain gears, you are correct there is definitely a progression there. I would recommend checking out my A Guide to Ninja series from the start if you have not. Around Episode 6 I start talking about starting gearsets that help you then step up to Beginner Gear, Intermediate, Advanced, End Game and so on. This is the path I'd recommend you follow gear wise if you are returning. Hope this helps! ruclips.net/p/PLYtZg50CYZI49pmOmfGDGAXg42WCz_Ov2
@@NextGamesGuide thanks so much! I'm currently on ep 5 haha.
I can afford the Mpaca set, but not the Ken+1 set. Would NQ Ken set still be a better dps set than NQ Mpaca? I'm currently using a combination of Adhemar (head, body, hands) and Mummu+2 (legs and feet).
HQ Ken is better than NQ MPaca but not by a huge amount. I'd probably recommend getting mpaca and then focusing on getting your malignance set which IMO is the main set you should be in right now and the one I find myself in 99% of the time.
weird that mpaca gives more evasion as full malignance is 477 eva and the same with mpaca, even more agi on malignance, any thoughts ?
Seems to be the Intimidation effect and Counter that is making the difference to me.
awesome 👌
is there a direct link to the Parse v1.63? cant seem to find it not sure which one of the list to use, there is like 8 different luas lol
Pretty sure this it the one I used. github.com/flippant/parse
I dont understand why, Malignance set and mpaca have the same evasion but the
Kendatsuba Garb Set +1 has more evasion but you get hit alot more
Am i missing something??
Not sure what you mean but Malignance has far more evasion then Kendatsuba. Just as an example 70 eva on kendatsuba +1 and 102 on Malignance. The big change here is the killer effects and counter effect on the mpaca gear. In general I find those stats aren't worth it but when facing this amount of mobs it really adds up.
What is the neck and waist piece when you are using the full mpaca set?
Oneiros Belt and an Augmented Bathy Choker. Chocker helps quite a bit, belt is just for added HP and can really be swapped with anything including an evasion belt.
@@NextGamesGuide any suggestions for evasion belts?
Yep, I recommend www.ffxiah.com/item/28436/svelt-gouriz-1
what belt is that with the Mpaca set? Edit: Assuming it's Engraved Belt.
Yep
what add on are you using to show ur eva ,parry, avg dmg take?
It's called parse and needs to be installed manually. here you go github.com/flippant/parse
Malignance has +50 to both Acc/R.Acc while Mpaca only has +40 exclusively towards Acc itself meaning Daken can & will be an issue vs high EVA targets.
Mpaca sounds amazing for MNK to TP in while Ken+1 sounds like w/ both NIN + MNK that you better have endless MP available to Cure Bomb you nonstop.
NIN 3/5 Malignance w/ Mpaca Body + Legs allows you to keep R.Acc at a decent +150 while also keeping Counter+10 and Subtle Blow II+5 and Killer Effects +10 and a boost in MDB+12
All true, Mpaca is more of a defenders set while Malignance is more a mixed defense and DD. I truthfully have yet to really find solid use for the Mpaca, it's fun to play with some of the pieces but I've not found a solid use for any of them end game. The 3/5 combo you mention is the one I've been playing with and how it does make the set more defense minded with the counter, sb II and killer I just haven't noticed good results with it, it ends up lowering my dps and doesn't appear to offer me any more survivability based to what I would expect from 5/5 Malignance. I just stick with 5/5 Malignance as it's really hard to beat as an all around set, I rarely even equip ken+1 anymore which is kind of sad. Perhaps the higher tier augs released for this set next week will change my mind. :)
ninja gang
what plugins do you use to track def stats?
It's called "parse" github.com/flippant/parse
You're not just changing 5 slots though between the sets.
Yes I'm comparing the elite sets that I have gone over in previous videos in the series and how they compare to the new set. Sets to me include everything including accessories and how it works together. So comparing my DD set (Kendatsuba), normal BossDD set (Malignance), normal Eva set (Malignance with eva) and this set (tanking set) which despite it's lower eva numbers then the Malignance set shows promise in total evasion due to it's additional stats.
lol, this will definitely get nerfed some way by the time i eventually get it.
Not likely. White damage suffers a lot with this build. Also your mostly not fighting so much at once and don't need this kind of Evasion. Evasion builds have always been a thing. Just taken a back seat since zerg meta became a thing.
Seriously what do you have going on here? Because of this video I got access, win and bought the Mpaca's set. Went and grabbed 1 - One - (single) Apex Jagil and it beat me down. Come on man for real, how the hell you get 20 or 30 of them on you
Hmm, not sure what are you using in the rest of your slots? Are you using all the gear I have shown including the new Tsuru? What about trust setup as I do have usual trust buffs up including phalynx from koru.
@@NextGamesGuide no. You basically had the zone. I got the gear changed to ninja and pulled 1 Jagil.
I can't really make out the pictures as far as accessories or stats on your back. Got a TC event soon but I'm gonna log in now and have another look at this Mpaca's
Next time you do a test between Mpaca and Malignance at least cap PDT on the Malignance set which is probably the main you died, you were missing 11% PDT.
This video was to compare Ninja's normal gearsets vs how this one could be used. Specifically DD, BossDD and Evasion gearsets and how they compare when defensive numbers are taken into account. Changing around the normal gear we have in those sets wouldnt have made sense as this is a comparison of those sets.
@@NextGamesGuide "Let me fast forward to the end of the run and show you what happens to when we swap to our normal malignance evasion set" proceeds to die in 6 secs due to uncapped PDT, Phalanx wearing off and Yoran-Oran missing...... Of course you are going to die very quickly.
I really do think the point of this video was lost on you. The data collection showing the different defensive stats parse'ed in the sets is what was being shown here. I think your a little too focused on the part of the video where I had already shown the data of the sets and was just messing around seeing how many apex mobs one could get with this new set.
@@NextGamesGuide He is kinda right tho. When you switched to Malignance at the end, you switched to Malignance DD set, not evasion set. You had no phalanx and no healer. It's perfectly possible that with slightly higer evasion, capped PDT and phalanx and Yoran, you would stay alive almost as easily as with Mpaca.
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