Actually, the technology of recording on film had been developing before disc. Dr. Lee deForest started experimenting with sound on film in 1919, and started the first public display of what he called Phonofims in 1923.
When early talking films are discussed, the title Becky Sharpe (sp) comes up. I guess that didn't use Western Electric's sound system, as it is not mentioned in this film. At any rate, this is a great look at the early talkies.
Realize this film was sponsored by Western Electric/Bell System/AT&T so there is a strong bias to the technologies AT&T offered to the film industry (such as high-fidelity Vitaphone discs playing at 33 1/3 rpm, later used as radio transcriptions discs) as the slight mention of Lee de Forest's audion invention barely 'talks' about his years of phonofilm experiments before RCA Photophone started flexing their usual corrupt muscles - also not mentioned.
Edison's Kinetophone of the 1910s is a small blip in the history of sound film. The films themselves were hard to keep in synch and were only produced for about three years. Also by the time this film was made (1978) the cylinders were probably lost. The only (known) surviving cylinder for experimental edison-dickson sound film experiments of the 1890s with the accompanying film was discovered in the 1960s, but "the connection between film and cylinder was not made until 1998".
Yes, the Kinetophone was difficult to control, but the Edison company sent trained operators to help exhibit the pictures. Scores of newspaper articles appeared praising successful demonstrations (as well as negative ones, when the system failed!). I believe there were at least 300 Kinetophone films made during their short lifetime, so to say it was "a small blip in the history of sound film" is overly simplistic -- after all, these were the first commercial live recordings to be made while filming at the same time...all done acoustically before the advent of the microphone. The Edison National Historic Site had several of the giant cylinders in their archives in 1978, but no attempt had been made at that time to marry them to existing films -- many of which had deteriorated or had been forever lost. Just because precious few survive doesn't mean the Kinetophone was a "small blip"! Just watch ruclips.net/video/6ycNxZ5aZ00/видео.html (from 1913), and tell me this wasn't a significant contribution to the history of sound film!!
@@michealgilliland8830 While Edison's experiment worked, the problem was with amplification. It wasn't until Dr. Lee deForest developed the Audion that this was possible.
There are some interesting bonus films on "The Jazz Singer" special edition DVD that cover this subject along with several Vitaphone short films as well.
@@indiana2096 Thanks for replying. I saw that DVD several years ago.. What they said is good, but not complete. If I recall, they spent very little time explaining variable width recording. Too bad. The best explanation of variable width recording is in the early(?) 30s Raditotron Designers Handbook. In general terms the explanation made sense. IMHO the supplemental disc was better than The Jazz Siinger.
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Interesting, the stepping stones to the platforms we experience today
nice ilove it
Now if only they could only send moving pictures over the radio..wouldn't that be grand? 👍👍
Indeed! I would call it "Television." 😀
@@elijahvincent985 I think radiovision would be good. Could name it after Tesla, he did start broadcasting. Ever heard of William or Edwin ?
I am sure somebody has tried to develop it. If they could make a CED work anything is possible.
Actually, the technology of recording on film had been developing before disc. Dr. Lee deForest started experimenting with sound on film in 1919, and started the first public display of what he called Phonofims in 1923.
“I’m Miles Cholmondley-Warner and my friend, Mr Grayson has put together a short sequence of clips on life during the 20th century.”
When early talking films are discussed, the title Becky Sharpe (sp) comes up. I guess that didn't use Western Electric's sound system, as it is not mentioned in this film. At any rate, this is a great look at the early talkies.
I wanna hear what movie audiences had to say about talking pictures from silents.
I love oddinstink
Realize this film was sponsored by Western Electric/Bell System/AT&T so there is a strong bias to the technologies AT&T offered to the film industry (such as high-fidelity Vitaphone discs playing at 33 1/3 rpm, later used as radio transcriptions discs) as the slight mention of Lee de Forest's audion invention barely 'talks' about his years of phonofilm experiments before RCA Photophone started flexing their usual corrupt muscles - also not mentioned.
Other than patent control, what do you have against RCA? Wasn't RCA using a system that started at GE in the early 20's?
But what about Edison's Kinetophone of the early teens??
Edison's Kinetophone of the 1910s is a small blip in the history of sound film. The films themselves were hard to keep in synch and were only produced for about three years. Also by the time this film was made (1978) the cylinders were probably lost. The only (known) surviving cylinder for experimental edison-dickson sound film experiments of the 1890s with the accompanying film was discovered in the 1960s, but "the connection between film and cylinder was not made until 1998".
Yes, the Kinetophone was difficult to control, but the Edison company sent trained operators to help exhibit the pictures. Scores of newspaper articles appeared praising successful demonstrations (as well as negative ones, when the system failed!). I believe there were at least 300 Kinetophone films made during their short lifetime, so to say it was "a small blip in the history of sound film" is overly simplistic -- after all, these were the first commercial live recordings to be made while filming at the same time...all done acoustically before the advent of the microphone. The Edison National Historic Site had several of the giant cylinders in their archives in 1978, but no attempt had been made at that time to marry them to existing films -- many of which had deteriorated or had been forever lost. Just because precious few survive doesn't mean the Kinetophone was a "small blip"! Just watch ruclips.net/video/6ycNxZ5aZ00/видео.html (from 1913), and tell me this wasn't a significant contribution to the history of sound film!!
@@michealgilliland8830 While Edison's experiment worked, the problem was with amplification. It wasn't until Dr. Lee deForest developed the Audion that this was possible.
So what does the Hitler Olympian film have on it? I'd like to hear those films now we know more..
Too bad the film's not longer.
There are some interesting bonus films on "The Jazz Singer" special edition DVD that cover this subject along with several Vitaphone short films as well.
@@indiana2096 Thanks for replying. I saw that DVD several years ago.. What they said is good, but not complete. If I recall, they spent very little time explaining variable width recording. Too bad. The best explanation of variable width recording is in the early(?) 30s Raditotron Designers Handbook. In general terms the explanation made sense. IMHO the supplemental disc was better than The Jazz Siinger.