I think the original article did mention that Chinese T-34-85 exited active service in the 1990s. Also, at that time, each Military Region's Armour Command had a regional repair shop that could significantly repair and modify a batch of tanks received from its tank division or tank regiment, so the T-34-85's modification was not standardised across the PLA; each MR can adjust it according to its assigned sector Fun fact did you know that from 1958 to 1983, PLA was a heavy infantry-based army in which most infantry divisions performed as a static defence unit; only at the regional level held one or two tank divisions or even tank regimens (excluding the 38th Army. Also it change slightly after 1976) as its counter-offensive force, so the MR's armour command only oversees its MR's tank division's training, logistic and Maintainance, so it has nothing to command; is a bureaucracy itself.
I don't know anything about World of Tanks, but War Thunder also recreates some Chinese T-34s. We have the normal T-34-85 with the ZIS-S-53 cannon, a premium version of it which is the No.215 shown here: 11:10, and we have what appears to be a Type 58 with the second cupola (mounting the Type 54 MG referred to as a DShK), the turret stowage for the Type 54, and the transmission hull plate modification. This vehicle is named "T-34-85 Gai" which apparently represents "modified" in Chinese.
My first tier 6 medium in the days before patch 9.0 came out. Double cupola on the turret, less gun depression, worse gun, I hated myself for liking it.
If you are planning on T-54, it can still make sense to start production of the obsolete T-34 as this would allow for gaining experience in the various required manufacturing process. This doesn't mean they finished a whole new tank. Building and testing hull plates would be vital to prepare for the expected T-54. Overhaul of damaged T-34 hulls could absorb the production of plates, leaving no time in which a complete domestic Chinese hull would be viable in that narrow windo.
From a production standpoint, this wouldn't make any sense at all. You'd need two sets of machinery tools, which cost money and time. Why would you set up two different lines when you're intending to use only one ? You gain the same experience when you just go with the T-54 line. A road wheel is a road wheel, a track is a track and an engine is an engine. It's not that you have to teach people how to fly. A limited production of spare parts, yes, which also trains your workforce, a full scale production line, no. No matter if socialism or capitalism, you won't intentionally waste your resources on a dead project. That said, history and present are full of examples which show exactly this ...
@@ottovonbismarck2443 you want to go from 0 to making viable t54 in one go? You have t34 production documentation. You need t34 parts anyway. You even need to repair damaged tanks with hull and turret damage. That's if the planned sharing of t54 plans happen. Best plan for what if the deal fails.
Germany and USSR were more or less in agreement until 1941. China and Vietnam were more or less in agreement until 1979. USA and Iraq were more or less in agreement until 1990. GB and EU ... well, let's see what the future brings, shall we ? 🙂
@@ottovonbismarck2443 lol No they had disagreements but they still saw eachother as valuable allies The sino soviet split happened because Khrushchev was being a revisionist cunt who wanted to bend red china to his will like he did with eastern europe The Molotov ribbentrop pact was the highest form of realpolitiks and both the ussr and germany hated eachother and wanted the other dead, i think the Bismarck fan would get it Finally with vietnam, china was one of the principle allies to the NLF and North vietnam again shit fell off because deng was a revisionist bitch who wanted to make vietnam his own (not that vietnam wasnt the brezhenvite ussr orbiter herself but alas) Revisionism is not a mere ideological disagreement it takes place from the socialist path towarda the capitalist one
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It pays to do research into the proper terms for armored vehicles if you want to make a video about them. Yes I know it's pedantic to differentiate tank destroyers assault guns and tanks but there is good reason to do so. I'm sure for most of the people that's unimportant but for those who have studied the subject you getting that wrong as a bit of an annoyance.
Okay, I do hate T-34 in any shape or form for my own good reasons. But the designer made a decent job. I mean before they asked him to make it much cheaper and then cut the costs in half before the production even started. It should look more like the T-44. That's why I say it was decent design work.
Well the T-34 is the tank you build to avoid losing a war. T-44 is the tank you want to build when you are already winning the war. So Russia had little choice at the time.
you can hate the tank all you want or bootlicking Lazerpig for sharing the same primitive mindset, Bevington Tank Museum says the best: it wasn't just about the T-34 tank, it was about the spirit of the people who made this tank a legendary war machine despite all its flaws and how it was build. Its reputation isn't paper stats, but how poorly trained peasants and workers, under harsh condition beat back a group of professional genocidal military force that seemingly unstoppable at one point.
@@ihatecabbage7270 Funny how they only managed to do that because of allied bombing of German industry, lend lease supplying raw materials and chemicals to soviet industry so they actually had enough steel to churn out their shit-tier rolling coffins, and expending American, British, French, Canadian and others lives to open up additional fronts to relieve pressure on the soviets. Almost like it was a group effort or something. Also, I'm guessing you didn't actually watch Lazerpig's video if you think there's any sort of "primitive mindset" involved, because he kind of spends.... the entire fucking time addressing what you're going on about. He doesn't rattle on about the tank is shit because it's shit. He explains why they war time construction ones were pretty shit, what was shit about them in great detail, and that the post-war ones were built to a higher standard because they weren't being built on strict time tables anymore.
Tank Encyclopedia has a beef with World of Tanks video game. I find it funny that they are obsessed over an arcade game being historically inaccurate. Nerd rage at its finest.
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I think the original article did mention that Chinese T-34-85 exited active service in the 1990s.
Also, at that time, each Military Region's Armour Command had a regional repair shop that could significantly repair and modify a batch of tanks received from its tank division or tank regiment, so the T-34-85's modification was not standardised across the PLA; each MR can adjust it according to its assigned sector
Fun fact did you know that from 1958 to 1983, PLA was a heavy infantry-based army in which most infantry divisions performed as a static defence unit; only at the regional level held one or two tank divisions or even tank regimens (excluding the 38th Army. Also it change slightly after 1976) as its counter-offensive force, so the MR's armour command only oversees its MR's tank division's training, logistic and Maintainance, so it has nothing to command; is a bureaucracy itself.
How American reverse engineered Mig 25 and created F15 from it.
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Wow
Great stuff, though I confess that the image of the PRC tanks stopped in front of the scarecrow was especially good. A humorous take on a dark event.
The power of misinfo sure is amazing
I don't know anything about World of Tanks, but War Thunder also recreates some Chinese T-34s. We have the normal T-34-85 with the ZIS-S-53 cannon, a premium version of it which is the No.215 shown here: 11:10, and we have what appears to be a Type 58 with the second cupola (mounting the Type 54 MG referred to as a DShK), the turret stowage for the Type 54, and the transmission hull plate modification. This vehicle is named "T-34-85 Gai" which apparently represents "modified" in Chinese.
Yeah the Gai is an upgrade package I forgot the actual name of it but it wasn't actually named that
6:32 yeah. It's me
The recording was so fun.
I really enjoyed it.
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Finally, my Fav Chinese tank gets a spotlight.
Ha
My first tier 6 medium in the days before patch 9.0 came out. Double cupola on the turret, less gun depression, worse gun, I hated myself for liking it.
If you are planning on T-54, it can still make sense to start production of the obsolete T-34 as this would allow for gaining experience in the various required manufacturing process. This doesn't mean they finished a whole new tank. Building and testing hull plates would be vital to prepare for the expected T-54. Overhaul of damaged T-34 hulls could absorb the production of plates, leaving no time in which a complete domestic Chinese hull would be viable in that narrow windo.
From a production standpoint, this wouldn't make any sense at all. You'd need two sets of machinery tools, which cost money and time. Why would you set up two different lines when you're intending to use only one ? You gain the same experience when you just go with the T-54 line. A road wheel is a road wheel, a track is a track and an engine is an engine. It's not that you have to teach people how to fly.
A limited production of spare parts, yes, which also trains your workforce, a full scale production line, no. No matter if socialism or capitalism, you won't intentionally waste your resources on a dead project. That said, history and present are full of examples which show exactly this ...
@@ottovonbismarck2443 you want to go from 0 to making viable t54 in one go? You have t34 production documentation. You need t34 parts anyway. You even need to repair damaged tanks with hull and turret damage.
That's if the planned sharing of t54 plans happen. Best plan for what if the deal fails.
Great video! Thank you. WoT does serve to make excellent background footage :)
This is because their graphics department is their best asset.
actually the PLA got their hands on many of the Japanese tanks from the Japanese depot at war's end.
Even got one chi ha renamed gong chen , which mean the main contributor in mandarian and parade it at victory celebration
Can you talk about the "WZ-111 model 1-4" the next time?
6:03 it's me 427
Literally cannot wait. I've jammed an Ethernet cable into my brain so I can get this information faster.
The ussr and china were more or less in agreement till 1956
Germany and USSR were more or less in agreement until 1941.
China and Vietnam were more or less in agreement until 1979.
USA and Iraq were more or less in agreement until 1990.
GB and EU ... well, let's see what the future brings, shall we ? 🙂
@@ottovonbismarck2443 lol
No they had disagreements but they still saw eachother as valuable allies
The sino soviet split happened because Khrushchev was being a revisionist cunt who wanted to bend red china to his will like he did with eastern europe
The Molotov ribbentrop pact was the highest form of realpolitiks and both the ussr and germany hated eachother and wanted the other dead, i think the Bismarck fan would get it
Finally with vietnam, china was one of the principle allies to the NLF and North vietnam again shit fell off because deng was a revisionist bitch who wanted to make vietnam his own (not that vietnam wasnt the brezhenvite ussr orbiter herself but alas)
Revisionism is not a mere ideological disagreement it takes place from the socialist path towarda the capitalist one
@@ottovonbismarck2443 sorry if i seemed snide to you bro btw
Im just bit arugementative
@@fremiloant1186 No offense taken at all ! Let's argue ! 🙂
A radio is important equipment in a tank but it’s not a part as such. Changing radios doesn’t mean that tank parts are being produced
You forgot to mention the M8C Greyhound Light Armored Cars
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Can you make a video about the Bulgarian t-34 with t-62 turrets in you're next upload
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And in WoT the Type 58 is basically just a worse T-34-85^^
Why is the tank number on thumbnail 404?😂😂😂
"infamous" world of tanks?
That Design copy paste from Soviet Union ^^
To be reimported into the Motherland soon?🤔
most likely with conditions.
Type 62 tho
It pays to do research into the proper terms for armored vehicles if you want to make a video about them. Yes I know it's pedantic to differentiate tank destroyers assault guns and tanks but there is good reason to do so. I'm sure for most of the people that's unimportant but for those who have studied the subject you getting that wrong as a bit of an annoyance.
Okay, I do hate T-34 in any shape or form for my own good reasons. But the designer made a decent job. I mean before they asked him to make it much cheaper and then cut the costs in half before the production even started. It should look more like the T-44. That's why I say it was decent design work.
Well the T-34 is the tank you build to avoid losing a war. T-44 is the tank you want to build when you are already winning the war. So Russia had little choice at the time.
@@xt6wagon more like "build the tanks, or dig your grave" kind of government
you can hate the tank all you want or bootlicking Lazerpig for sharing the same primitive mindset, Bevington Tank Museum says the best: it wasn't just about the T-34 tank, it was about the spirit of the people who made this tank a legendary war machine despite all its flaws and how it was build. Its reputation isn't paper stats, but how poorly trained peasants and workers, under harsh condition beat back a group of professional genocidal military force that seemingly unstoppable at one point.
@@ihatecabbage7270 Funny how they only managed to do that because of allied bombing of German industry, lend lease supplying raw materials and chemicals to soviet industry so they actually had enough steel to churn out their shit-tier rolling coffins, and expending American, British, French, Canadian and others lives to open up additional fronts to relieve pressure on the soviets.
Almost like it was a group effort or something.
Also, I'm guessing you didn't actually watch Lazerpig's video if you think there's any sort of "primitive mindset" involved, because he kind of spends.... the entire fucking time addressing what you're going on about. He doesn't rattle on about the tank is shit because it's shit. He explains why they war time construction ones were pretty shit, what was shit about them in great detail, and that the post-war ones were built to a higher standard because they weren't being built on strict time tables anymore.
Tank Encyclopedia has a beef with World of Tanks video game. I find it funny that they are obsessed over an arcade game being historically inaccurate. Nerd rage at its finest.
Jovial banter? Never heard of her
@@uisce_ That is not jovial banter.
Hmm
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