I feel bad for the flareless planes that run into this thing:') however, planes/players I'd gladly face in this thing are F-5C players. Do I have to explain? They full commit every single head on they can take and well, I have r60Ms, so just park that thing on their forehead at 0.8km
@@mateuszsa7it will absolutely shit on the F-8 (F-5 is faster and is also more agile in short term, and about equal long term, though the f-8 has better acceleration at low speed) and as for the mig-21, it will absolutely shred a mig in a dogfight unless the F-5 pilot is a dumbass, + BS damage model. The three are about equal performance, HOWEVER the F-5 has that advantage of surviving a fucking nuke if it hit it.
@@v3es473they also have that near 1:1 TWR at about 0.95 mach so they also out accelerate stuff around that speed range so they basically stick on your six at high speed while you try dodging their rounds
When I play 10.7 these days, I get a lot of matches that have three-to-four 11.3 planes; it's not the sweet Goldilocks range that it once was. At least with my experience.
@@jayklink851 isn't just you my guy. I have consistently faced F14s, Mirage 2000s, the whole lot while I'm there sitting in my F-5E lol. I had to go 1 v 6 yesterday in the thing and I survived about a minute until matra magic 2 came knocking on my door
I actually would say the laser-guided munitions are pretty good at this BR. You don't HAVE to go into the camera view to guide the missile - if you just turn on the laser designator and then de-select the targeting point lock ("Deactivate Target Point" keybind) after firing the missile, the laser actually follows your cursor as you're flying the plane in mouse-aim mode, so you can use them as a mouse-guided munition pretty similar to the Fireflash missiles on the Swift F7. They're MUCH more accurate that way. I regularly do this with the SU25BM using two KH29L's and four KH25ML's and it's dead easy to pick up two to three kills this way despite its atrocious targeting camera.
I watched this live Grandpa, you can't hide your age. Also, that Kfir pulled such a good down on you with his Kvochur, the tac view showed how wild of a shot it really was!
i think the E is okay at 11.0 because it has an amazing airframe, but the D is a mig-21 mf at 11.0 with rear aspect, only, compared to all the mig 21 bis’s at 11.0 with literally 6 all aspect missiles, it’s crazy
i was on the stream when that kfir went tom cruise mode, you were gonna clutch that game if it wasn't for that detail since after you looked on the replay you could see that the Mig-23ML was out of gun ammo, sadge lol
@@BOSs-1313 yeah true but that's very weird since it looked like the kfir just took off since he was coming from their base direction and even had missiles (edit: nvm i only saw it now that he actually came from the ally base side)
Its not even that high, aim9L at 10.0 is. And these are crappy R-60, that could be flared by literally anything with heat signature (even tiny mighty mouse can flare them ffs).
I just gotta say. Rest in peace to all the Mitsubishi F-1s and T-2s that have to go against R-60s. But since this plane clearly shows that Gaijin is willing to put the R-60 at that low of a br, then when does the F-4EJ Kai get its AAM-3s?
Gaijin: Russian Bias does not exist Also Gaijin: Edit for anti stupid clarification: This is a joke, the plane is still from Russia, and I'm used to all aspect missiles.
they once added it before, and just remove it somewhere between it, and they added it again right now lmaoooo. I also remember when swinging R-60M in the 10.7 before they remove it.
@@fulturk4306 thanks to this, 10.0-10.3 are mostly get uptiered to 10.7, there's so much people using this plane, which also mean so much people just died because forcing a strike aircraft fighting a fighter jet lol.
I think this is not the plane for me. First it's 11.3 now and if you want to bomb bases the tornado will be much faster than you if you have 18 100 kg bombs and 6 r60mk's. Either the team is winning but you get only 1 or 0 kills or the team is losing and 5 planes launch missles at you. I dont have enough solver lions to repair the plane. Well well well i will have to play 9.7 grb to get silver lions.
To say that the aim 9L have any kind of flare resistance is just lying at this point. I play the tech tree A10, I hope I got 1 r-60m for every two aim9L I have. It's just absurdly useless against flares. Actually, today my missile directly ignored the plane I was targeting and tracked a flare 10 KM AWAY.
Hopefully they don't change it, it's a huge target. A single flare throws off any R-60m. You can only get kills on clueless people sticking head on without flaring, wich is their fault for not preflaring in a head on in 10.7 matchmaking, or people that didn't saw you. Anyone remotely decent in any plane can get kills against F-5s that stall themselves out or straight flying A-10s at 10.3 due to the ammount of brainless wallet warriors who have no idea how anything in the game works, it's not a problem related to the Su-22UM3K, it's because the 70$ players are bad.
@@waki0069 Are you forgeting about all other planes that have 30g missiles at this br ? Or even lower, like the A-10s and Su-25s for exemple ? If you don't have flares, and still want to stick a head vs a potentially all aspect carrying plane, you lack game knowledge. Just don't stick head ons, or take rocket pods if you can, it acts as flares really well in head on. or stay like 2.5 km away from potential R-60m carrier, and 4 km away from 9L carriers. Comming from a big Ariete player.
Yeah but those are not R-60m (all aspect) and sadly the yak-38 is.... Kinda lacking in every flight performance department so you getting a rear aspect is kinda hard
They are actually easy to kill. You go head on, flare and kill them when they try to pass you. A10 and SU25 were annoying, and now 9.7 is even more fun.
@@mushlook7251 Ngl, only the german version is this competitive in arb While the russian and italy su-22m3 have better engines They barely got 2-6 flaring opportunities
@@mushlook7251 I play harrier fr1 and just shoot missle at their when head on. In my case it works, but i agree it sucks. When i see two A10 4km from me in different directions i basically know i`m fu*ked.
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I feel bad for the flareless planes that run into this thing:') however, planes/players I'd gladly face in this thing are F-5C players. Do I have to explain? They full commit every single head on they can take and well, I have r60Ms, so just park that thing on their forehead at 0.8km
I dont get why ppl hate F5 soo much. Mig 21 and F8 are much more broken. I know its annoying but why is it only F5 that gets this treatment?
@@mateuszsa7it will absolutely shit on the F-8 (F-5 is faster and is also more agile in short term, and about equal long term, though the f-8 has better acceleration at low speed) and as for the mig-21, it will absolutely shred a mig in a dogfight unless the F-5 pilot is a dumbass, + BS damage model. The three are about equal performance, HOWEVER the F-5 has that advantage of surviving a fucking nuke if it hit it.
@@v3es473they also have that near 1:1 TWR at about 0.95 mach so they also out accelerate stuff around that speed range so they basically stick on your six at high speed while you try dodging their rounds
When I play 10.7 these days, I get a lot of matches that have three-to-four 11.3 planes; it's not the sweet Goldilocks range that it once was. At least with my experience.
@@jayklink851 isn't just you my guy. I have consistently faced F14s, Mirage 2000s, the whole lot while I'm there sitting in my F-5E lol. I had to go 1 v 6 yesterday in the thing and I survived about a minute until matra magic 2 came knocking on my door
I remember this livestream. You should've let the original audio with your diabolical laughter as you threw fire arrows to the unsuspecting enemy.
Shhhhh don't tell them 🤣
I still have your evil voice playing over my head as you bully these children
It was worth it
I actually would say the laser-guided munitions are pretty good at this BR. You don't HAVE to go into the camera view to guide the missile - if you just turn on the laser designator and then de-select the targeting point lock ("Deactivate Target Point" keybind) after firing the missile, the laser actually follows your cursor as you're flying the plane in mouse-aim mode, so you can use them as a mouse-guided munition pretty similar to the Fireflash missiles on the Swift F7. They're MUCH more accurate that way. I regularly do this with the SU25BM using two KH29L's and four KH25ML's and it's dead easy to pick up two to three kills this way despite its atrocious targeting camera.
I might have to try this then, thanks for the tip!
I watched this live Grandpa, you can't hide your age. Also, that Kfir pulled such a good down on you with his Kvochur, the tac view showed how wild of a shot it really was!
And the J-7D/E is at 11.0 with rear aspect.
i think the E is okay at 11.0 because it has an amazing airframe, but the D is a mig-21 mf at 11.0 with rear aspect, only, compared to all the mig 21 bis’s at 11.0 with literally 6 all aspect missiles, it’s crazy
F4E, from 1967, with 60’s era missiles, at 11.0 :(
AJS37 now at 10.7 with 2 aim9Ls and 2 Aim9Ps. The gun pod is rather painful to use though.
I dislike the decision to move it down
I don't know which game you played, but in WT this plane gets full downtier 5 times out of 100 battles. Most of the time you have to play 11.3.
Or you can play SB and you get uptiers for 4 days (to 11.3/10.7) rest is full downtier.
Su 17 m2 in the corner: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!! To gaijins balance team
i was on the stream when that kfir went tom cruise mode, you were gonna clutch that game if it wasn't for that detail since after you looked on the replay you could see that the Mig-23ML was out of gun ammo, sadge lol
and it seems like the kfir was out of fuel too, r60 could barely lock on it, so engine was probably cold
@@BOSs-1313 yeah true but that's very weird since it looked like the kfir just took off since he was coming from their base direction and even had missiles
(edit: nvm i only saw it now that he actually came from the ally base side)
great video Grandpa Lee
Funnily enough you don't have a camera for the laser guided missiles, the very small zoom you get is the pilot leaning over looking at the sight.
Excellent video
Hell yeah
I always love "seal clubbing"
It’s 11.3 now
Its 11.3 now and worse than just about everything at its be lmao
You jinxed it
This plane would be immensely shit at 11.0 so 10.7 makes sense
Su17/22M4:"Am i a joke to you?!"
@@patriktoth6258 Thats the cool part, yes.
Stop giving all aspect missiles to planes that play against low brs >:(
Gaijin: 🫵😹
@@Z3r0-Ski11z We must move on and feed the snail 😔
U have missiles to counter them
Its not even that high, aim9L at 10.0 is. And these are crappy R-60, that could be flared by literally anything with heat signature (even tiny mighty mouse can flare them ffs).
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 show proof of youb doing this
i saw polish camo
i clicked
simple as that.
r60m's are known for ignoring flares below 1km even when burner is completely off but you need to enslave to radar first.
how can you do that?
I've had AIM-9P do that too, with the F-104S (not sure if his burner was off though).
@@cmdrTremyss just radar lock your target and most IR missiles will automatically put their seeker on whatever is locked.
sometimes it works yeah, iffy though
1:10 love getting energy trapped then third partied as im about to kill lee
LMAO
Yo Lee how'd you get those different smoke textures? I've been hunting for an explanation or ages
You have to travel back 7 years and buy a dog tag from event
it was 2021 new year smoke
POLAND REFERENCE
True!
I just gotta say. Rest in peace to all the Mitsubishi F-1s and T-2s that have to go against R-60s. But since this plane clearly shows that Gaijin is willing to put the R-60 at that low of a br, then when does the F-4EJ Kai get its AAM-3s?
Gaijin: Russian Bias does not exist
Also Gaijin:
Edit for anti stupid clarification: This is a joke, the plane is still from Russia, and I'm used to all aspect missiles.
ITS GERMAN, the soviet one only has 12 Flares
if you bother that R60M (1.5km all aspect shit missile) is at 10.7, you will suicide when you notice 9L being at 10.0
@@gasparferrandisromero1075 It was a joke, and I play 10.7 and 11.3 so I'm used to all aspects.
@@vincentreim8962 It was a joke
I mean seriously, who the fuck mid-mounts sweeping wings INTO ANOTHER WING
POLAND MENTIONED RAHHHHH
POV: 1 flares: R60M IM COMING
The dogfight footage gave me anxiety.
Great video as always!
Will I still be able to have fun with the Hunter F.58, being new to 9.7?
Hunter F.6 be like: hold my dead beer 💀
Yes
@@TM-bv5yw same plane no flares lmao...
@@scaniadan2968 ok then.
Wait were these missiles just added to it? Last time I checked there are only to Su-22s in the german line and the 10.7 Su-22 only had R-60s
they once added it before, and just remove it somewhere between it, and they added it again right now lmaoooo. I also remember when swinging R-60M in the 10.7 before they remove it.
@@muhamadafrifauzi5695 oh my, this thing will interesting to play
@@fulturk4306 thanks to this, 10.0-10.3 are mostly get uptiered to 10.7, there's so much people using this plane, which also mean so much people just died because forcing a strike aircraft fighting a fighter jet lol.
NASCAR level's of turning here. Vertically to. Puts them to shame.
REAL. We love NASCAR
to be fair, a brainless player is the only player who is gonna die to an r60 (any variant) from head-ons
so 80% of the playerbase
yup, honestly just go for the premium players
The r60 essentially ignores flares if you launch it right, you don’t need to be brainless, unless you mean the soviet pilot launching it
Nice
Yeah this thing in air sim is broken right now 😭
Doesnt the russian one only have like 18 flares or am i losing it
12 yeah
the problem is this plane have more flares the squad on is not op
I think this is not the plane for me. First it's 11.3 now and if you want to bomb bases the tornado will be much faster than you if you have 18 100 kg bombs and 6 r60mk's. Either the team is winning but you get only 1 or 0 kills or the team is losing and 5 planes launch missles at you. I dont have enough solver lions to repair the plane. Well well well i will have to play 9.7 grb to get silver lions.
Oh this thing is definitly going up.
Itll go back to 11 where it was before
Where do you get these thrust charts from?
There's a bot that pulls it from the github, it used to be on Defyn's discord but it got disabled. Now someone is hosting it on a private discord.
Sim content when?
TIL the F-5C is flare less.
To say that the aim 9L have any kind of flare resistance is just lying at this point. I play the tech tree A10, I hope I got 1 r-60m for every two aim9L I have. It's just absurdly useless against flares. Actually, today my missile directly ignored the plane I was targeting and tracked a flare 10 KM AWAY.
Hopefully they don't change it, it's a huge target. A single flare throws off any R-60m. You can only get kills on clueless people sticking head on without flaring, wich is their fault for not preflaring in a head on in 10.7 matchmaking, or people that didn't saw you. Anyone remotely decent in any plane can get kills against F-5s that stall themselves out or straight flying A-10s at 10.3 due to the ammount of brainless wallet warriors who have no idea how anything in the game works, it's not a problem related to the Su-22UM3K, it's because the 70$ players are bad.
Are you forgetting about all other planes that cannot preflare because THEY DONT HAVE FLARES?
@@waki0069 Use rockets. R-60 is bad enough to be fooled by anything that burns for even a second.
@@waki0069 Are you forgeting about all other planes that have 30g missiles at this br ? Or even lower, like the A-10s and Su-25s for exemple ? If you don't have flares, and still want to stick a head vs a potentially all aspect carrying plane, you lack game knowledge. Just don't stick head ons, or take rocket pods if you can, it acts as flares really well in head on. or stay like 2.5 km away from potential R-60m carrier, and 4 km away from 9L carriers. Comming from a big Ariete player.
You can get R60s at 9.3 soooo
Yeah but those are not R-60m (all aspect) and sadly the yak-38 is.... Kinda lacking in every flight performance department so you getting a rear aspect is kinda hard
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Sad!!!
Fun fact: The Su22M4 WHICH IS ALMOST 1 FULL BR HIGHER is now officially useless and the M3 is an A10/Su25
Wassup lee?
Heya!
Avg gaijin soviet balance
ITS 10.3 IN SIMULATOR BATTLES LMFAO
that’s brutal
@@ianbad02 yes, also, factor in that you can choose your br in sim battles depending on the br bracket schedule those few days
The A-10s and Su-25s are fine where they are. But the other's could change.
R60MK
It's the exact same thing 🤣
it’s just the export version, it’s the same as the m just different name
Hahaha “enemy kill stolen”
yeah and it's still a bad plane NEXT
They are actually easy to kill. You go head on, flare and kill them when they try to pass you.
A10 and SU25 were annoying, and now 9.7 is even more fun.
And what are people supposed to do without flares again?
@@mushlook7251 Ngl, only the german version is this competitive in arb
While the russian and italy su-22m3 have better engines
They barely got 2-6 flaring opportunities
@@mmneaapro596 No no what i meant was "how are people supposed to fight R-60Ms in planes without flares?"
@@mushlook7251 I play harrier fr1 and just shoot missle at their when head on. In my case it works, but i agree it sucks. When i see two A10 4km from me in different directions i basically know i`m fu*ked.
@@mateuszsa7 the thing is, you don't,
you have 2 options, don't engage, or outrun them
pretty much what you would do against su-25, A10 and Harrier
OMG and all the AXIS players are complaining about the F8U- 2 being op this had 6 all aspect plus speed same BR REALY LOL
First
No views in 30 seconds this guy fell of
Sad!!!