Drinker: Wasn't excited about Lady Gaga's casting when I read it but the trailer showed promise. MauLer (wearing a Lady Gaga t-shirt): Excuse me, what did you say?
lmao yeah, but on the other hand it was good to see some disagreement for a change. Watching open bar is like watching a bunch of those nodding dog figures sometimes.
I was sure Joker didn't need a origin movie and Phoenix was not a good choice for the role... Clearly I was VERY wrong so I'm willing to give this the benefit of the doubt.
@@ramigilneas9274the chance is close to 100%. It was made a musical specifically to piss off the fans of the original. This will be Harley Quinn and the birds of the long movie name, elseworlds edition
Y'know what the problem is? The Mandalorian (among other things) taught me that a well-received installment of an IP like this is just the little worm at the end of a long phoquin' hook. I have learned to expect attachment to IPs is just an attack vector for ideologues, and so I try to care about them as little as possible in general.
Testify it. You can say "It's a Star Wars movie", or you can say "Some people paid for the right to use the same name as a great series of movies from the 70s and 80s".
@@kjgoebel7098 movies from the 70s and 80s whose messaging, characters, legacy, and fanbase we actively hope to spite in the process of co-opting their legally licensed names*
Once they see something is successful, they assume if they push their politics with it that it will stay successful because why wouldn’t it? After all, it was successful before. Look at the immortal hulk comics, they started off fairly well. Sure, there were some warning signs but ultimately it was good. Buuuuut by the 10th issue they started pushing lgbtq politics and started creating strawman allegories for the critics of their ideology and it became a cesspit. Much like every comic released for the last 10+ years.
Agreed. Trailer looked very good. I will say I was shocked. However, we’ve been down this road too many time with movies, shows, and video games. I’ll wait until the reviews come out. Now if the media do like they did with the first movie and tell people don’t see this movie, then I could very much see the hype working in the sequel’s favor
From the wiki on lady gaga - "She also studied method acting at the Lee Strasberg Theatre and Film Institute for ten years." Doesn't mean she's any good, but she's not some singer who just decided to try acting for a lark.
I also didn't think a sequel was really needed but the fact this one looks to be trying something quite a bit different has got me intrigued rather than just another paint by numbers trying to capture what came before. The original film delved pretty well into the more surreal moments and his own imagination running wild so the thought of it turning into a musical within his mind could work well and blur the lines in a fun and creatively dark way.
no,hes not musically inclined, he didnt seek to be a musician , or wasnt seeking romance - he had a serious issue with the system, and was persuing being a standup commedian. suddenly its romance and music, because they have to somehow fit gaga into the role,and she only knows how to act portraying herself whilst at the sametime inflating her ego.look what she did to bradley cooper in interviews, he was a performing monkey for her look at me trail.
It uniquely spells out what you're in for tho. You can actually know pretty well if this will work for you before you see it, but the reception will be clear so you're best off waiting by default
The "I can fix him" mentality is strong with modern women, Baggage Claim is absolutely right. Also, he's hardly ugly. Maybe not traditionally handsome as he is presented in the role, but average to striking at least.
With the recent Tomb Raider changes; to remove her from her colonial past of raiding and stealing from other cultures, your name is sort of implicative. Basically, you love slavery and horrible things. So your opinion is pure reflection, and you therefore love a white woman. Clearly, you are a sexist while at the same time discluding trans people in your comment. Transphobe also. Thank you for coming this far, this is a joke, and I will be deleting my account soon to instead go fight bs like this, where as this was more of a chill account. But damn, there are people on that birb now x place that says stuff like this, well Im headed there. Have a good dway.
@@Hail_To_The_King Yikes. The movie will have to do insanely well for it to reach profits like the first one. I am assuming 200 is before factoring in marketing, which probably puts it around 300. So 600 to break even. That being said, I would be surprised if this movie didn't hit 1 billion.
@@lawlietriver8869 I would be surprised if this one hits 1 billion, the first movie was a lighting in a bottle, I hope I'm wrong and this is a great movie because I loved the first one. Im not a fan of Gaga tho.
@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 I do appreciate Mauler standing up. Drinker was prob being alil ruff on her. Personally I can't get past the Musical part. Def gonna have to wait for reviews I trust. Multiple reviews lol
3 soy boys, 3 soy boys, see how they run, see how they run. Like little girls I sure do bet, arms waving down by their sides, 3 soy boys, see how they run 😂
That's how I look at it. I see the addition of Harley Quinn as caving in to the fact she is a popular character so can't have a joker movie without her crowbar-d in anymore
After listening to you legends lament the state of the movie industry for the past few years, I think I heard a glimmer of hope in your voices? Cheers lady & gentlemen.
@@dmacleod3843 why so? The first one was great and this seems to be on the same level. Also it'll be great to see a Harley Quinn that is not a discount Deadpool
Madonna was going to play Harley Quinn in the late nineties, along with Howard Stern as the Scarecrow, in a sequel to Batman and Robin which thankfully never got off the ground
@@devlinallistair-zx5by With Nick Cage Superman! Actually, I might want to see all of these in a multiverse movie, with them at their current ages and abilities.
Oddly enough now due to the low standards for a woman's appearance in media, Howard Stern could play Harley Quinn and Madonna play Scarecrow without any added makeup or special fx.
i don't know, the first one was a surprise for ppl, but it was really an art-style movie. this time the surprise is gone, so what remains is...an art-style movie. and i hear it leans towards musical?. i very much doubt that will work a 2nd time, but hey. also...the first was a character study about Joker, this one will be one about HQ, not sure how many will be drawn to that.
its just going to be more of that movie, but with added face paint.gaga cant act, or sing.she doesnt have any variation in her voice,it doesnt go high or delicate, its just one droning tone that gradually gets louder towards the end of the song.listen the song from the bradley cooper movie.
I believe one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that Lady Gaga in and of itself is a performance. The person Stefani Germanotta has been performing as Lady Gaga for over 15 years, and I believe that deserves as much credit as her more conventional performances in films.
The reason i think this could work as a musical is because the first Joker movie was arguably a theatre-of-the-mind, unreliable narrator business that might have all, or partly, been in his head. Having perfect musical adaptation based on a vision he had of a dancer that sets his madness going again... I think it works in premise. Heck, that was the majority of how they pulled of "Chicago," treating it as a theatre production in Roxie's mind. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Maybe it's another trojan horse for The Message, but I'll hold out hope until it shows up.
nope, he wasnt a dancer in the first one, that was a coping method (slow danced twice after shooting the guys on the tube and before going on murrays stage), his vision was to be a comedian....., murray called him the joker, no the dancer. i know the films that have come out recently have been total shit, but i think you have all lost some perspective. the first movie was a very articulate expression of mental illness and the social stigma and struggle with it - therapists "nobody gives a shit about you arthur", the way the two cops spoke to him outside the hospital, how the black girl treats him. it wasnt theatre or a dance.it was like michael douglas falling down movie on steroids, with depression, and face paint.
And now after being portrayed as a victim from SoC1eTy, joker is a semi-wossie that needs Harley's help to pull out his confident, malevolent persona. It's not joker brainwashing a psychiatrist with his charisma and constructed persona, and a smart therapist willingly falling into madness and making the same choice as the joker...it's a 'weakened' and 'silenced' man who needs his woman to find himself. I have no doubt this will be visually beautiful and I'm actually in favour of the mad musical approach (you'll see, they sold it badly, it's not a freaking musical) but this is not joker to me.
Love Mauler's point with Lady Gaga, it is true, no one is talking about comparing her to Phoenix. Gaga can act and is a great performer. How she acts in this movie, to this particular character can be dissected when the movie plays. Drinker needs to shift in giving examples of poor acting performance he has seen with the actors/actresses instead of assuming an opinion.
One thing that will always amuse me is that Hildur has worked for two people who both started out with stuff like the Hangover and then one went and made HBO’s Chernobyl and Todd made the Joker. I just found that interesting
as someone who is not a Fan of the modern interpretation of Harley Quinn,i still liked the first movie enough to at least give it a chance. Lady Gaga as Harley is actually kinda interesting considering how Eccentric she is in real life and Hearing it was going to have Musical elements actually had me very intrigued. I really want this to actually be a Romantic story in some ways,but not in a way where they make it out to be where Harley Quinn is the true mastermind behind the Duo's schemes like with the Harley Quinn Animated series or with Margo Robbies interpretation. The only thing im wondering is why is Zazie Beets coming back? Her role in the first movie was fairly small and doesnt need to be revisited.
I tuned in late yesterday and didn't realize they were talking about musicals because of the Joker! I love musicals, so this has me intrigued as well. I wonder if it would be too dark for me though.
@@MaryRohwer I like certain Musical elements. I love the original West Side Story film adaptation and the In the Heights film was fairly well done with memorable songs and great choreography. Then we get terrible musicals like Dear Evan Hansen.
@@dominiqueodom3099 I had a hard time getting into West Side Story and the other two I've never even heard of. But I love musicals: Seven Brides For Seven Brothers (Bless Your Beautiful Hide is pretty funny), Sound of Music, Hey Dolly! (the lovable gold-digger and I love Louis Armstrong). I like Grease; my husband prefers Grease 2. We both enjoy O!Brother, Where Art Thou? and quote it pretty often. My mother said she had a hard time getting into that one, but maybe we relate since we're in the south. I thought it was fun to figure out which Odyssey character was being portrayed. Also, I still listen to the music from the Hobbit on RUclips. I love that they kept those poems from the book and made them into songs.
@@MaryRohwer oh brother Where art thou? Is legitimately one of my favorite films. I don't see it as a musical but more of a Journey through the depression Era Deep South during an age of Transition. Too each their own though on why we like though lol.
@@dominiqueodom3099 My husband said the same thing when I mentioned it as a musical. He hadn't thought of it as a musical either. I suppose if there's no spirit fingers and jumping out from behind buildings unexpectedly, it just isn't considered a musical. lol
Yeah, but trailers are unreliable at best. A 1998 film 'Lost in Space' had an amazing trailer, and it turned out to be one of the worst films of all time. Trailers are meant for hyping and misleading people. That's their purpose. To be frank the first 'Joker' wasn't that good. That idea was done before, and done better in my opinion. The only reason that film got any traction is because it's a DC based character. If the film was about Arthur, a crazed loner, no one would care much.
Coming from NY, Lady Gaga was a known talent before her albums blew up. She’s a weirdo theater kid / performer. You could criticize her for being a little derivative and wearing her influences on her sleeve, but she’s definitely capable of having a solid take on Harley Quinn. Shes a great casting.
One thing I'll say is she definitely gives everything she does her all. So I'm reserving judgment until it comes out. I think alot of people will be pleasantly surprised.
You forego immersion using her, a famous pop star, for 15 songs. There's no room left to get a Harley Quinn when you're getting obviously-Lady Gaga. I'd love to see what we might've gotten but we're getting this now & I can't see them fitting both when one requires immersion while the other one breaks it. Think ppl. 'oh she's great casting' ..bc she can sing & act & that's all we'll consider here. I can't believe mauler didn't think beyond the obv here when there's a ton to consider
Yeah… in that specific role. Outwith that he is an absolute tit. This is the problem with todays world, if I had saw him in that role and other roles showcasing his acting, yeah great… but no.. with social media and every single actor and actress on it making their personal and political views known to the world, it completely ruins the immersion for me. Now all I see is an absolute weirdo who cries on camera on social media and makes absolutely out of touch statements and is absolutely trapped in his Hollywood bubble. Same for 90% of celebrities now.
If this movie is commercially successful, I think it will have a new standard for superhero/supervillain movies. The first movie was crazy good and I think the second one will be even more insane. Who knows Lady Gaga could set a new standard for Harley Quin.
Having looked into it, being an extra in a scene where she is uncredited isn't as confidence-boosting as you think. Good show but even Lady Gaga says that role isn't the highlight of her career.
@@NathanCassidy721 Oh, she wasn't a big part of the Sopranos. That's just an excellent show. But I do think she was very good in A Star is Born and House of Gucci
@@Promance2300 TBF she has been trying to break into acting more and more but I don't know how big a draw she is. House of Gucci underpreformed at the BO.
My introduction to Todd Philips was Road Trip back in 2000. It was one of my favorite movies back then for when I wanted to have something casually fun on my TV. I'm glad to see he's been able to evolve as a filmmaker. Every great piece of work is a result of culminated experience.
I didn't want to see Joker, as Heath Ledger had already done the best performance I could imagine. However, I did enjoy Joker. I am worried about the musical bit for Joker 2. I really hate musicals.
Mauler didn't have to be afraid to simply say Lady Gaga is a good actress. There are plenty of people who started as musicians first that are also good in movies.
exactly. this is going to be a hamming it up lady gaga movie, guest appearing arthur fleck as a plot tool. all she did in the trailer is things arthur did in the first movie, that nobody else was around to see to be able to copy. its fucking stupid
I’m on the fence with this one. While the trailer looks great; the last time Todd Phillips did a sequel to one of his movies it ended up being crap. Then again that was a decade ago and he’s probably improved in his writing.
You'll be happy to know Todd Philips didn't get a writing credit on the first one but he did on the sequels. 1. John Lucas, Scott Moore, [Jeremy Garelick] 2. Scott Armstrong, Craig Mazin, Todd Philips 3. Craig Mazin, Todd Phillips
THANK YOU. Everyone acting like the last six years didn't exist. Why on earth would THIS ONE MOVIE, from the same studio that's made one woke disaster after another, NOT make another woke disaster. It is literally all they do.
There are so many problems with this to consider & none of them have been brought up by the talking heads beyond drinker's 'I didn't know initially about casting a pop star...'
When I saw they made Harley a patient instead of a doctor I lost interest. It could be good but I don’t have much hope this will be as good as the trailer otherwise makes it seem.
They never wanted to follow the source material, other than the bare necessities. They just wanted extra profit from all the obsessed DC fans. That first film wasn't even about the character of Joker. It was about some guy named Arthur who got screwed by the system. We've seen that film before, and it was don e a lot better. 'Falling Down' comes to mind, 'Taxi Driver', 'King of Comedy', etc...
I watch Joaquin Phoenix for his ability to play tortured characters. His ability to show multiple emotions in one expression is very impressive. Lady Gaga, when given the right material, can also act the hell out of things. I'm quite curious at this point....
I think this has the potential to be the 3rd or 4th musical I actually like. I can only remember The Little Shop of Horrors off the top of my head but I know there were others. I have a strong feeling that this is going to be a banger. I rarely have expectations, so my experience in life is that I am guaranteed to be disappointed. When you are 0/300 on positive expectations it can be traumatizing, I hope it is great.
It’s the Joker, he’s known for being theatrical whilst committing sickening acts of violence, most versions tend to maintain that aspect of his character.
100% on maulers side, Lady gag is weird and has weird music and has done decent acting roles and this movie seems to fit her brand of weirdness perfectly
I rewatched the original, and thought about the reasons that made it work. I came away thinking that what it needed was musical covers and Lady Gaga. Because everything we saw in original just screams, “This world needs a studio promoted pop star and soundtrack tie in!” Get me a random group of DEI hires with no experience, that haven’t seen the first movie, STAT!” Clearly, a recipe for success.
I think Drinker got caught in a loop with this one. Like, he couldn’t fully articulate why he didn’t like Gaga, and so cycled through a few other reasons before landing on it. Regarding the “not an actor” excuse, we have to remember that Adam Driver was a marine before. People seem to be pretty fond of him as an actor. I agree with the wary approach, though. Can she hit the tone that this Harley Quinn requires of her? Do Gucci and Star give her the right experience? We’ll see. Also, MauLer’s excitement over being able to mention Jebby is hilarious and endearing.
Whoa this like the first time I think drinker is just talking out of his ass about people who started doing something other than acting and get into it and are good. Say what you will about GaGa as an artist or popstar she has serious acting skills based off star is born\house of Gucci. Also no denying her voice I think she's actually a very thought out choice for the role.
@@ryanwood6754 This coming from someone who is so lonely that they stack videos about an anime girl talking to them like it was their girlfriend. You dont like movies with singing numbers in them, I guess I change my mind then because you said so.
I remember seeing Blade 2 when I was 14. In that movie they cast Luke Goss of Bros (an 80s British boy band) as the villain, Jared Nomak. The consensus from most people who watched it was that Goss was horrendously miscast, what were they thinking casting a pop star as the main villain, that for most people it was distracting, completely pulled them out of the movie and prevented them from taking it seriously. The thing is, I had never seen or heard of Bros. I had no idea who Luke Goss was, didn't know he was already famous for being in a band, and I thought his performance in that movie was great. I just saw him as another actor and didn't notice anything subpar about his acting. The point I'm making is that I think a lot of times the problem people have with seeing a musician or pop star acting in a movie, a lot of the times the problem is in the head of the viewer.
Not to belittle the craft of acting but when studios are looking for authenticity, they tend to have more success going in the other direction. Stallone got a boxer for Balboa and taught him to act. In Miracle, they figured, correctly, it would be easier to get hockey players and teach them to act, then to get actors and reach them to play hockey. Drinker should be careful taking actors over singers just because we have technology. That's how we got Gerard Butler in Phantom of the Opera, and Russell Crowe in Les Miserables.
being on pitch is not the only thing that makes a voice sound good, especially in a musical where you have so much expression in how you’re using your voice. if you have a really high budget musical, i actually think the singing is more important than the acting ability (of course relatively, both have to be on a high standard and i personally think the singing ability should be a tad more important). then again, i’m a musician so i’m biased
They were wise to keep any scene of the inevitable over-acting from Gaga out of the trailer. My one hope is that Todd Phillips was able to keep her mostly subdued.
Yup. Gaga sucks as an actress (not a fan of her ‘music’ either, but that’s irrelevant really). She’s not got classical leading lady looks either. Will still give the movie a go though, based on the quality of the first movie alone.
I'm optimistic (as much as one can be these days). If they were going to make a sequel to Joker, telling the story of Harley Quinn was absolutely the right move. We know the Joker (Arthur) has an altered sense of reality, so the musical part could make sense in the universe. Also, Gaga is moderately attractive, but not unrealistically good looking, like Margot Robbie, so she fits in the drab Joker universe. Some women being attracted towards violent killers in prison is a known phenomenon which fits well in the universe. Having seen a Star is Born, Gaga seems like she can act as long as she's directed well, although she still has a lot to prove. I thought the trailer was promising.
Why do people say this 'The trailer looks good' ? The Movie is NOT the trailer: the trailer is a selection of clips smashed together to music. You can make anything look good/bad with a trailer.
It looks good because it looks interesting. The first film was an examination of Joker's origin from a very particular stylistic direction. Style and substance were put together with a vision. We got to see Joker from one particular angle and it was engaging. This trailer hints that Joker's character can be explored further. How does he react to someone who returns his affections? What will he do when placed in a new set of situations? It looks like another character study to me...with a particular style and tone that dovetails with the previous film. I'm not put off by the musical. He's an insane man who dresses like a clown. I am hopeful that it will have something interesting to say and show about the Joker as a character.
A rare moment where i think Drinker had lost his mind. I guess he's welcome to it, and he's welcome to be disappointed when he finds out how woke it is.
The icing on the cake would be that media would praise this film because the first one (which they hated) was popular. But the average viewer would hate it.
I was 100% convinced the first Joker movie was going to be the DC version of Venom, right up until I saw the first trailer, and realized that actual effort was clearly going into it. I thought I would hate it, for being so far from how I normally like to see Joker portrayed based on the comics, but the film was just so good that I couldn't help but appreciate it as it's own version of the character. It kept just enough of the base elements of the character to not feel like it wasn't purely using the name recognition, even if I had a hard time picturing this version fighting Batman or doing many of the other typical Joker things. Once again, my cynical brain makes me wary of a completely unnecessary sequel to a film I really like, and the musical aspect is still very concerning to me. However, I can't deny that the trailer was really good, and Gaga is perhaps not as weird a pick as I first thought. I can already see that this isn't going to be a particularly faithful adaptation of the Mad Love story, but that's not really what I'd expect, based on the first film. It seems like Joker genuinely cares about Harley, as opposed to just being a manipulative abuser, who's using her for his own ends. I think that makes sense, if their idea is to keep the sympathetic aspect of Joker's character from the first film relatively intact. As long as it's a good follow up to the first film, I don't think I'll be too mad if they do something different with Joker/Harley relationship. This is current year, however, so I'll have to wait and see before making any decisions to go see it.
I have never been a big Lady Gaga fan, but I have been surprisingly impressed with her in A Star is Born and House of Gucci. Plus if she brings this persona she had in the beginning of her career, it seems like a logical choice if this is meant to have musical numbers. Plus, I have seen many female Gaga fans loving her casting for Joker 2, so there's that huge bullseye from a marketing point of view.
Immersions out of the question when you put one of the most recognizable pop stars in a musical w/15 songs. It forces the gimmick they're going for to work at the expense of anything else they could've done. There's no time or opportunity left for anything else now & you have to buy her & her musical ability at face value since they're decidedly not going to hide it & instead use it to dictate the premise. I'm not saying I know exactly what this movie should've been, but now it can only be one thing, at the expense of believability otherwise. Breaking immersion (which she absolutely does whether anyones appreciating that fact yet - they don't make her look or act like she's NOT exactly who you'd recognize her to be (at least in the states) esp when you have her performing musically) is a costly thing to forego right out of the gate. It's likely both your best tool & ultimate goal at once being chucked right out for a gimmick you now have to hope & rely on ppl appreciating at face value. It certainly makes a relationship & setting they might try to characterize less believable when it's a literal celebrity you're seeing (left fully recognizeable, performing her recognized profession). It would be her job to make me forget she's obviously Lady Gaga, but with 15 songs relying on her talent musically I'm simply not permitted any opportunity for this. This was beyond a bold move & while it might work, it now MUST work exactly how they've left it to since, again, there's hardly any room or opportunity outside of it to even operate as a movie with any sense of immersion intact. It now MUST be an unbelievable Lady Gaga-led fever dream that you have to appreciate for that very specific quality bc it's too distracting to leave anything else
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An actress who wears a dress made entirely out of meat to a major awards show seems like a natural for a Joker movie to me.
Haha, I've just read this comment but I said the same to someone else further up!
What about that egg she rode in on?
Touché!
And who thinks Dylan Mulvany is a woman. Yep, a 100% clown, definitely fits the Joker.
@@NZealand😂😂😂
"Two tickets to Joker: Omelette Deux Fromage."
I'm laughing more than necessary.
I had a chuckle.
That's all you can saaaAaaay, that's all you can say.
Dexter's Laboratory for the win.
„Omelette du fromage“ 😊
oui oui baguette
Imagine if we get a modern Harley Quinn adaptation who isn't insufferable
Who's the insufferable one?
@@thedarkestknight7559Margot Robbie - she removes all depth from the performance and boils Harley down to a quirky girl from Brooklyn
@olivercrespo2329 - The Suicide Squad actually made you remember she was insane tho
Idk mate, we are talking about Lady Gaga in this version
Imagine still being attached to a character owned by INGSOC.
Drinker: Wasn't excited about Lady Gaga's casting when I read it but the trailer showed promise.
MauLer (wearing a Lady Gaga t-shirt): Excuse me, what did you say?
Mauler clutching his Lady Gaga CDs ever closer to his bossom
MauLer was born this way
Mauler: "One for Shallow by Lady Gaga"
Karaoke DJ: "But that's a duet"
Mauler: "Yeah I know"
Mauler is a gay grifter
lmao yeah, but on the other hand it was good to see some disagreement for a change. Watching open bar is like watching a bunch of those nodding dog figures sometimes.
I was sure Joker didn't need a origin movie and Phoenix was not a good choice for the role... Clearly I was VERY wrong so I'm willing to give this the benefit of the doubt.
Don't look at it as a comic book movie and you'll be fine. That's what I did
@@Darkstar_Dayne not necessary... look at it like an elseworlds comic... its good that way too
I’m mildly optimistic that it will be great.
Make it a musical… embrace the insanity.
But of course there is also a chance that it will be terrible.😅
@@ramigilneas9274the chance is close to 100%. It was made a musical specifically to piss off the fans of the original.
This will be Harley Quinn and the birds of the long movie name, elseworlds edition
How about looking at it like a film and not a comic book at all. Because this is the medium of cinema and not comics.
Y'know what the problem is? The Mandalorian (among other things) taught me that a well-received installment of an IP like this is just the little worm at the end of a long phoquin' hook.
I have learned to expect attachment to IPs is just an attack vector for ideologues, and so I try to care about them as little as possible in general.
Testify it. You can say "It's a Star Wars movie", or you can say "Some people paid for the right to use the same name as a great series of movies from the 70s and 80s".
@@kjgoebel7098
movies from the 70s and 80s whose messaging, characters, legacy, and fanbase we actively hope to spite in the process of co-opting their legally licensed names*
THANK YOU !
People are excited for this parade of red-flags I dont get it
Once they see something is successful, they assume if they push their politics with it that it will stay successful because why wouldn’t it? After all, it was successful before.
Look at the immortal hulk comics, they started off fairly well. Sure, there were some warning signs but ultimately it was good. Buuuuut by the 10th issue they started pushing lgbtq politics and started creating strawman allegories for the critics of their ideology and it became a cesspit. Much like every comic released for the last 10+ years.
@@jiggycalzone8585
Hey hey hey....
The Woke people hated the first Joker alright? Let's give this one a chance... alright?
Hype is not your friend or ally.
Nor is nostalgia. Nor is being married to legacy IPs.
It just gives ideologues ways to grift you.
Desire is the cause of suffering
Agreed. Trailer looked very good. I will say I was shocked. However, we’ve been down this road too many time with movies, shows, and video games. I’ll wait until the reviews come out.
Now if the media do like they did with the first movie and tell people don’t see this movie, then I could very much see the hype working in the sequel’s favor
@ephraimwinslow nah nostalgia is a least your friend
Neither is the blackpill
The Austin Powers song is what sold me on this movie 😂
Mauler defending Lady Gaga being in this movie was NOT on my 2024 bingo card...
She's almost as bad as Zoey Kravitz. Dunno what kind of kink he has to defend that female
From the wiki on lady gaga -
"She also studied method acting at the Lee Strasberg Theatre and Film Institute for ten years."
Doesn't mean she's any good, but she's not some singer who just decided to try acting for a lark.
"Wiki" 😂
You can always tell when Mauler starts clutching his pearls a bit.
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Yeah, he shows his youth on any feminist stuff
@@SchizoidPD Of course they were having a disagreement. My comment was about tone. Try to put your thinking hat on, dear.
Tbf mauler had a point
@@DLC1990 I agree! I think she is a pretty good actress, at least with what I have seen her in.
I also didn't think a sequel was really needed but the fact this one looks to be trying something quite a bit different has got me intrigued rather than just another paint by numbers trying to capture what came before. The original film delved pretty well into the more surreal moments and his own imagination running wild so the thought of it turning into a musical within his mind could work well and blur the lines in a fun and creatively dark way.
no,hes not musically inclined, he didnt seek to be a musician , or wasnt seeking romance - he had a serious issue with the system, and was persuing being a standup commedian. suddenly its romance and music, because they have to somehow fit gaga into the role,and she only knows how to act portraying herself whilst at the sametime inflating her ego.look what she did to bradley cooper in interviews, he was a performing monkey for her look at me trail.
Sorry, but I don’t trust trailers anymore. I’ll wait until the movie comes out before I render judgement
I mean trailers have never In history been reviews lol
fair
It uniquely spells out what you're in for tho. You can actually know pretty well if this will work for you before you see it, but the reception will be clear so you're best off waiting by default
Sorry, but I don’t trust Drinker anymore. He was shilling hard for ghostbusters afterlife and that is unforgivable.
@@donniedeville5102 Really? Which video?
The "I can fix him" mentality is strong with modern women, Baggage Claim is absolutely right. Also, he's hardly ugly. Maybe not traditionally handsome as he is presented in the role, but average to striking at least.
The fact he is good looking made him even more despisable as emperor commodus in gladiator. One of those characters you love to hate.
@@ThiefOfNavarre I still love him in that role. So unhinged.
Is he not what would would call hot ugly?
@@AcidifiedMammoth Ha, I haven't heard of that before
dawg u know nothing bout modern women
Mauler has the hots for Lady Gaga. Who'd a thunk?
With the recent Tomb Raider changes; to remove her from her colonial past of raiding and stealing from other cultures, your name is sort of implicative. Basically, you love slavery and horrible things. So your opinion is pure reflection, and you therefore love a white woman. Clearly, you are a sexist while at the same time discluding trans people in your comment. Transphobe also. Thank you for coming this far, this is a joke, and I will be deleting my account soon to instead go fight bs like this, where as this was more of a chill account. But damn, there are people on that birb now x place that says stuff like this, well Im headed there. Have a good dway.
Mauler wants to BE Lady Gaga
I think he made a fair point tbf
I thought Mauler was ghay
Nah he made a good point, she a Oscar nominated actress. What more do you need?
They're doing a sequel because they would rather milk the healthy cash cow, instead of trying to resurrect all the dead ones they slaughtered lol.
100%, well said
It's refreshing to see a big budget franchise that actually looks creatively daring rather than committee-led formula
Big budget?! The first was like 35-50M.
@@Thurmanatr16 The sequel is $200m
@@Hail_To_The_King Yikes. The movie will have to do insanely well for it to reach profits like the first one. I am assuming 200 is before factoring in marketing, which probably puts it around 300. So 600 to break even. That being said, I would be surprised if this movie didn't hit 1 billion.
A sequel to a successful movie. Such risk.
@@lawlietriver8869 I would be surprised if this one hits 1 billion, the first movie was a lighting in a bottle, I hope I'm wrong and this is a great movie because I loved the first one. Im not a fan of Gaga tho.
Mauler going to bat for Gaga is pretty funny. The tone of his voice was basically slapping drinker.
And it was well deserved.
@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 I do appreciate Mauler standing up. Drinker was prob being alil ruff on her. Personally I can't get past the Musical part. Def gonna have to wait for reviews I trust. Multiple reviews lol
3 soy boys, 3 soy boys, see how they run, see how they run. Like little girls I sure do bet, arms waving down by their sides, 3 soy boys, see how they run 😂
Mauler and Drinker ripping each other apart in this clip like dayum
It’s like watching an old married couple bickering 😳😬😅 A lot of respect to Drinker for keeping it in the clip though.
That's what happens when a friendship lasts enough, people just start shitting and farting on each other
Joker was a stand alone masterpiece
It can only be ruined
Joker was not a masterpiece. It was trash.
@@sbelkiinah it was a masterpiece
That's how I look at it. I see the addition of Harley Quinn as caving in to the fact she is a popular character so can't have a joker movie without her crowbar-d in anymore
@@SeSeReRfRfis she even popular anymore?
average reddit threads 🤖
After listening to you legends lament the state of the movie industry for the past few years, I think I heard a glimmer of hope in your voices? Cheers lady & gentlemen.
It's refreshing to see Drinker and the others excited over a movie
Unfortunately, it was the wrong one.
@@dmacleod3843 why so? The first one was great and this seems to be on the same level. Also it'll be great to see a Harley Quinn that is not a discount Deadpool
I'm not watching a freaking musical
the elephant in the room should surely be that it's likely only a fucking musical because of lady gaga joining the project in the first place though?
Madonna was going to play Harley Quinn in the late nineties, along with Howard Stern as the Scarecrow, in a sequel to Batman and Robin which thankfully never got off the ground
Somewhere in the multiverse, that film exists. And Dougrey Scott is Wolverine.
@@devlinallistair-zx5by With Nick Cage Superman! Actually, I might want to see all of these in a multiverse movie, with them at their current ages and abilities.
part of me really wishes that happened, would love to see Red Letter Media forced to watch it.....
Oddly enough now due to the low standards for a woman's appearance in media, Howard Stern could play Harley Quinn and Madonna play Scarecrow without any added makeup or special fx.
I don't know. A sequel to Batman and Robin would have been amazing (for all the wrong reasons).
i don't know, the first one was a surprise for ppl, but it was really an art-style movie.
this time the surprise is gone, so what remains is...an art-style movie. and i hear it leans towards musical?.
i very much doubt that will work a 2nd time, but hey.
also...the first was a character study about Joker, this one will be one about HQ, not sure how many will be drawn to that.
I thought "A star is born" would suck... I was completely wrong. Gaga can act much better than expected, Cooper can sing much better than expected.
its just going to be more of that movie, but with added face paint.gaga cant act, or sing.she doesnt have any variation in her voice,it doesnt go high or delicate, its just one droning tone that gradually gets louder towards the end of the song.listen the song from the bradley cooper movie.
I believe one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that Lady Gaga in and of itself is a performance. The person Stefani Germanotta has been performing as Lady Gaga for over 15 years, and I believe that deserves as much credit as her more conventional performances in films.
My roommate and I watched the Joker at home, and after it ended, we both looked at each other and said, "Yeah, I can relate"
When Mauler got his back up, I immediately starting humming, "When A Man Loves A Woman!"
The reason i think this could work as a musical is because the first Joker movie was arguably a theatre-of-the-mind, unreliable narrator business that might have all, or partly, been in his head. Having perfect musical adaptation based on a vision he had of a dancer that sets his madness going again... I think it works in premise. Heck, that was the majority of how they pulled of "Chicago," treating it as a theatre production in Roxie's mind.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Maybe it's another trojan horse for The Message, but I'll hold out hope until it shows up.
"was arguably a theatre-of-the-mind"
pretentious AF
nope, he wasnt a dancer in the first one, that was a coping method (slow danced twice after shooting the guys on the tube and before going on murrays stage), his vision was to be a comedian....., murray called him the joker, no the dancer. i know the films that have come out recently have been total shit, but i think you have all lost some perspective.
the first movie was a very articulate expression of mental illness and the social stigma and struggle with it - therapists "nobody gives a shit about you arthur", the way the two cops spoke to him outside the hospital, how the black girl treats him. it wasnt theatre or a dance.it was like michael douglas falling down movie on steroids, with depression, and face paint.
Just why? The story didn't need a continuation.
money
Neither did alien, terminator or star wars. Imagine if everyone was as scared as you
Neither did the godfather
It was one of the few DC-adjacent movies that wasn't an unmitigated disaster. It has to go on.
I actually wanted a sequel. And I'm 100% in on it.
And now after being portrayed as a victim from SoC1eTy, joker is a semi-wossie that needs Harley's help to pull out his confident, malevolent persona. It's not joker brainwashing a psychiatrist with his charisma and constructed persona, and a smart therapist willingly falling into madness and making the same choice as the joker...it's a 'weakened' and 'silenced' man who needs his woman to find himself.
I have no doubt this will be visually beautiful and I'm actually in favour of the mad musical approach (you'll see, they sold it badly, it's not a freaking musical) but this is not joker to me.
at the end of the first movie arthur wasnt weak
A Joker musical is gonna be more gay than if you combined Velma, She Hulk and The Acolyte
Love Mauler's point with Lady Gaga, it is true, no one is talking about comparing her to Phoenix. Gaga can act and is a great performer.
How she acts in this movie, to this particular character can be dissected when the movie plays.
Drinker needs to shift in giving examples of poor acting performance he has seen with the actors/actresses instead of assuming an opinion.
One thing that will always amuse me is that Hildur has worked for two people who both started out with stuff like the Hangover and then one went and made HBO’s Chernobyl and Todd made the Joker. I just found that interesting
as someone who is not a Fan of the modern interpretation of Harley Quinn,i still liked the first movie enough to at least give it a chance. Lady Gaga as Harley is actually kinda interesting considering how Eccentric she is in real life and Hearing it was going to have Musical elements actually had me very intrigued.
I really want this to actually be a Romantic story in some ways,but not in a way where they make it out to be where Harley Quinn is the true mastermind behind the Duo's schemes like with the Harley Quinn Animated series or with Margo Robbies interpretation.
The only thing im wondering is why is Zazie Beets coming back? Her role in the first movie was fairly small and doesnt need to be revisited.
I tuned in late yesterday and didn't realize they were talking about musicals because of the Joker! I love musicals, so this has me intrigued as well. I wonder if it would be too dark for me though.
@@MaryRohwer I like certain Musical elements. I love the original West Side Story film adaptation and the In the Heights film was fairly well done with memorable songs and great choreography. Then we get terrible musicals like Dear Evan Hansen.
@@dominiqueodom3099 I had a hard time getting into West Side Story and the other two I've never even heard of.
But I love musicals: Seven Brides For Seven Brothers (Bless Your Beautiful Hide is pretty funny), Sound of Music, Hey Dolly! (the lovable gold-digger and I love Louis Armstrong). I like Grease; my husband prefers Grease 2.
We both enjoy O!Brother, Where Art Thou? and quote it pretty often. My mother said she had a hard time getting into that one, but maybe we relate since we're in the south. I thought it was fun to figure out which Odyssey character was being portrayed.
Also, I still listen to the music from the Hobbit on RUclips. I love that they kept those poems from the book and made them into songs.
@@MaryRohwer oh brother Where art thou? Is legitimately one of my favorite films.
I don't see it as a musical but more of a Journey through the depression Era Deep South during an age of Transition. Too each their own though on why we like though lol.
@@dominiqueodom3099 My husband said the same thing when I mentioned it as a musical. He hadn't thought of it as a musical either. I suppose if there's no spirit fingers and jumping out from behind buildings unexpectedly, it just isn't considered a musical. lol
I watched the trailer recently; it was better than I thought it was. I hope it does well at the box office. 🎉
Yeah, but trailers are unreliable at best.
A 1998 film 'Lost in Space' had an amazing trailer, and it turned out to be one of the worst films of all time.
Trailers are meant for hyping and misleading people. That's their purpose.
To be frank the first 'Joker' wasn't that good. That idea was done before, and done better in my opinion.
The only reason that film got any traction is because it's a DC based character.
If the film was about Arthur, a crazed loner, no one would care much.
I've only ever enjoyed 2 musicals, Rocky Horror and Little Shop of Horrors. I don't see this being the 3rd.
It's not a musical lol
@@anotherhappylanding4746 Why do they keep telling me it is?
Tenecious d and the pic of destiny
Sweeny Todd wasn't bad.
Also, do animated Disney films count as musicals? If so, then Mulan is definitely my favorite musical.
@@GhostLink92 Animated gets free pass
Mauler going to bat for Gaga was great to hear.
Coming from NY, Lady Gaga was a known talent before her albums blew up. She’s a weirdo theater kid / performer. You could criticize her for being a little derivative and wearing her influences on her sleeve, but she’s definitely capable of having a solid take on Harley Quinn. Shes a great casting.
One thing I'll say is she definitely gives everything she does her all. So I'm reserving judgment until it comes out. I think alot of people will be pleasantly surprised.
I’m sure her acting will be fine but she’s not attractive. At least not Harley Quinn attractive.
You forego immersion using her, a famous pop star, for 15 songs. There's no room left to get a Harley Quinn when you're getting obviously-Lady Gaga. I'd love to see what we might've gotten but we're getting this now & I can't see them fitting both when one requires immersion while the other one breaks it. Think ppl. 'oh she's great casting' ..bc she can sing & act & that's all we'll consider here. I can't believe mauler didn't think beyond the obv here when there's a ton to consider
Harley Quinn fatigue *is* a thing😂
Lets wait and see. Though with how Harley has been handled recently, it doesn't inspire much confidence
This trailer makes me think of Fight Club, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Harley ends up being a Tyler Durden character.
That "finger gun to head" pose was a strong indicator in that direction.
They already did that with the girlfriend in the first movie.
@@Opener73 Just be _very_ suspicious of any other character who suddenly acts a bit too much like Joker
Mauler hits it on the head, GoT is where I noticed Pedro Pascal as an actor, he was intimidating and badass.
Yeah… in that specific role. Outwith that he is an absolute tit. This is the problem with todays world, if I had saw him in that role and other roles showcasing his acting, yeah great… but no.. with social media and every single actor and actress on it making their personal and political views known to the world, it completely ruins the immersion for me. Now all I see is an absolute weirdo who cries on camera on social media and makes absolutely out of touch statements and is absolutely trapped in his Hollywood bubble. Same for 90% of celebrities now.
If this movie is commercially successful, I think it will have a new standard for superhero/supervillain movies. The first movie was crazy good and I think the second one will be even more insane. Who knows Lady Gaga could set a new standard for Harley Quin.
nope,lady gaga has only one way to act, she just plays herself.she has an undeserved ego.
Feel like the cynicism football kept being kicked between Mauler and Drinker then promptly got switched out for the optimism ball.
But why a musical?
Director said it's not a musical
It is delightfully refreshing to see you guys disagreeing with each other but it not descending into the usual web-based bullshit.
She acted first. Then went into music. She was in HBO the Saprano's.
Most of these people have not seen that masterpiece of a show, unfortunately. It's come up a few times.
Having looked into it, being an extra in a scene where she is uncredited isn't as confidence-boosting as you think.
Good show but even Lady Gaga says that role isn't the highlight of her career.
@@NathanCassidy721 Oh, she wasn't a big part of the Sopranos. That's just an excellent show. But I do think she was very good in A Star is Born and House of Gucci
@@Promance2300 TBF she has been trying to break into acting more and more but I don't know how big a draw she is.
House of Gucci underpreformed at the BO.
@@NathanCassidy721 It was a pretty niche topic. I might not have enjoyed it as much if I wasn't Italian.
My introduction to Todd Philips was Road Trip back in 2000. It was one of my favorite movies back then for when I wanted to have something casually fun on my TV. I'm glad to see he's been able to evolve as a filmmaker. Every great piece of work is a result of culminated experience.
I didn't want to see Joker, as Heath Ledger had already done the best performance I could imagine. However, I did enjoy Joker. I am worried about the musical bit for Joker 2. I really hate musicals.
Mauler didn't have to be afraid to simply say Lady Gaga is a good actress. There are plenty of people who started as musicians first that are also good in movies.
She was good in House of Gucci
Courtney Love in the People vs. Larry Flint. Bjork in Dancer in the Dark.
Ye ol' trailer bait and switch. Not falling for it.
exactly. this is going to be a hamming it up lady gaga movie, guest appearing arthur fleck as a plot tool. all she did in the trailer is things arthur did in the first movie, that nobody else was around to see to be able to copy. its fucking stupid
I’m on the fence with this one. While the trailer looks great; the last time Todd Phillips did a sequel to one of his movies it ended up being crap. Then again that was a decade ago and he’s probably improved in his writing.
You'll be happy to know Todd Philips didn't get a writing credit on the first one but he did on the sequels.
1. John Lucas, Scott Moore, [Jeremy Garelick]
2. Scott Armstrong, Craig Mazin, Todd Philips
3. Craig Mazin, Todd Phillips
media outlets should really pick up on the fact that this movie will inspire more on edge teenagers to commit spontaneous musical numbers
It looks like a Harley/GaGa bait and switch to me. People excited by that trailer are too easily swayed. You should know how this works by now.
THANK YOU. Everyone acting like the last six years didn't exist. Why on earth would THIS ONE MOVIE, from the same studio that's made one woke disaster after another, NOT make another woke disaster. It is literally all they do.
Exactly, me thinks some form of WB “incentives” are swaying the opinions…
There are so many problems with this to consider & none of them have been brought up by the talking heads beyond drinker's 'I didn't know initially about casting a pop star...'
Never trust the trailer. Trailers always lie.
When I saw they made Harley a patient instead of a doctor I lost interest. It could be good but I don’t have much hope this will be as good as the trailer otherwise makes it seem.
They never wanted to follow the source material, other than the bare necessities.
They just wanted extra profit from all the obsessed DC fans.
That first film wasn't even about the character of Joker. It was about some guy named Arthur who got screwed by the system.
We've seen that film before, and it was don e a lot better.
'Falling Down' comes to mind, 'Taxi Driver', 'King of Comedy', etc...
Harley is a psychiatrist in this version. It's a teaser trailer. They aren't going to show every part of the plot.
@@bmsuperstar1 Thanks for this post. It sums up my feelings about the first film perfectly.
this isnt the joker that fights batman, so this isnt the joker that has harley quinn.its fucking stupid.
It's nice to see muLer and Drinker have a different opinion on a subject for a change.
I'll watch it on TV.
I'll watch it on mobile.
Finally a comic book movie that isn't formulaic and we have no idea what to expect from it. How movies are supposed to be made.
Lady Gaga is absolutely a great great great actress. Choosing her for the role is ace.
Pathetic.
I watch Joaquin Phoenix for his ability to play tortured characters. His ability to show multiple emotions in one expression is very impressive. Lady Gaga, when given the right material, can also act the hell out of things. I'm quite curious at this point....
Dude said "I don't like auto turn" while talking about liking the auto tune queen?! 😂🤦♂️👍
'No woman liked it' because there was no cheesy romance.
Do you really believe what you're saying?
@@nastyfyme Yes
@@dean_l33 well... guess you're like the women caliming all men are the same 🤷♀️
@@nastyfyme Most men are the same because they have to deal with women. The rest are gay
I think this has the potential to be the 3rd or 4th musical I actually like. I can only remember The Little Shop of Horrors off the top of my head but I know there were others. I have a strong feeling that this is going to be a banger. I rarely have expectations, so my experience in life is that I am guaranteed to be disappointed. When you are 0/300 on positive expectations it can be traumatizing, I hope it is great.
Personally I thought the first Joker was a very good movie. So I hope they can keep it on that level if they made a sequel
IT'S A MUSICAL?!?!?!!?!?!?! blank me to infinity
🤣🙌🎯
It’s the Joker, he’s known for being theatrical whilst committing sickening acts of violence, most versions tend to maintain that aspect of his character.
I thought it looked terrible, but then I can't stand Lady GaGa.
Hilarious that everyone on the panel is fighting back on drinkers takes. Literally telling him he doesn't know what he's talking about. 😂
I love that on my PS5 my first ad when I clicked on this video was for Star Wars: Outlaws.
100% on maulers side, Lady gag is weird and has weird music and has done decent acting roles and this movie seems to fit her brand of weirdness perfectly
Deep analysis there
weird doesn't equal good. Both her music and "acting" sucks
I saw the first Joker on a Thursday early screening in 2019, and I plan to do the same for this one
I rewatched the original, and thought about the reasons that made it work. I came away thinking that what it needed was musical covers and Lady Gaga. Because everything we saw in original just screams, “This world needs a studio promoted pop star and soundtrack tie in!” Get me a random group of DEI hires with no experience, that haven’t seen the first movie, STAT!” Clearly, a recipe for success.
Lady Ga Ga is perfect casting for Harley Quinn.
I think Drinker got caught in a loop with this one. Like, he couldn’t fully articulate why he didn’t like Gaga, and so cycled through a few other reasons before landing on it. Regarding the “not an actor” excuse, we have to remember that Adam Driver was a marine before. People seem to be pretty fond of him as an actor.
I agree with the wary approach, though. Can she hit the tone that this Harley Quinn requires of her? Do Gucci and Star give her the right experience? We’ll see.
Also, MauLer’s excitement over being able to mention Jebby is hilarious and endearing.
She was phenomenal in AHS she is a REALLY GOOD actresses better than some who have been acting in movies there whole lives ❤
“Joker has a problem with black women”
Based
We can't have a White couple unless they are made to look evil, oh wait.
Whoa this like the first time I think drinker is just talking out of his ass about people who started doing something other than acting and get into it and are good. Say what you will about GaGa as an artist or popstar she has serious acting skills based off star is born\house of Gucci. Also no denying her voice I think she's actually a very thought out choice for the role.
What open bar was this? Watched the last one to try to find this topic.
If you have any reservations about Gaga acting don't, she was great in American Horror Story. It will be fine, and this is from a non Gaga fan.
I agree and I'm also not a regular fan of Lady Gaga.
She was a solid actor under a couple of different directors. That's always a good sign
nah its still a musical.....and gaga
@@ryanwood6754 This coming from someone who is so lonely that they stack videos about an anime girl talking to them like it was their girlfriend. You dont like movies with singing numbers in them, I guess I change my mind then because you said so.
Also don’t forget House of Gucci
I'll wait and see. We should all know better than to judge based on only the trailer
I remember seeing Blade 2 when I was 14. In that movie they cast Luke Goss of Bros (an 80s British boy band) as the villain, Jared Nomak. The consensus from most people who watched it was that Goss was horrendously miscast, what were they thinking casting a pop star as the main villain, that for most people it was distracting, completely pulled them out of the movie and prevented them from taking it seriously.
The thing is, I had never seen or heard of Bros. I had no idea who Luke Goss was, didn't know he was already famous for being in a band, and I thought his performance in that movie was great. I just saw him as another actor and didn't notice anything subpar about his acting.
The point I'm making is that I think a lot of times the problem people have with seeing a musician or pop star acting in a movie, a lot of the times the problem is in the head of the viewer.
Having said that, Lady Gaga is a Satanist phedopile, so I can see why people do have a problem with her casting in this case...
Not to belittle the craft of acting but when studios are looking for authenticity, they tend to have more success going in the other direction. Stallone got a boxer for Balboa and taught him to act. In Miracle, they figured, correctly, it would be easier to get hockey players and teach them to act, then to get actors and reach them to play hockey.
Drinker should be careful taking actors over singers just because we have technology. That's how we got Gerard Butler in Phantom of the Opera, and Russell Crowe in Les Miserables.
being on pitch is not the only thing that makes a voice sound good, especially in a musical where you have so much expression in how you’re using your voice. if you have a really high budget musical, i actually think the singing is more important than the acting ability (of course relatively, both have to be on a high standard and i personally think the singing ability should be a tad more important). then again, i’m a musician so i’m biased
Lady Grogu as harley Sqwin
They were wise to keep any scene of the inevitable over-acting from Gaga out of the trailer.
My one hope is that Todd Phillips was able to keep her mostly subdued.
She did not over act in AHS.
Doubt if they hired her to be subdued.
Yup. Gaga sucks as an actress (not a fan of her ‘music’ either, but that’s irrelevant really).
She’s not got classical leading lady looks either.
Will still give the movie a go though, based on the quality of the first movie alone.
Joker Fol.. Foliu.. Fole.. F@ck! Joker 2 seems promising.
I'm optimistic (as much as one can be these days). If they were going to make a sequel to Joker, telling the story of Harley Quinn was absolutely the right move.
We know the Joker (Arthur) has an altered sense of reality, so the musical part could make sense in the universe. Also, Gaga is moderately attractive, but not unrealistically good looking, like Margot Robbie, so she fits in the drab Joker universe. Some women being attracted towards violent killers in prison is a known phenomenon which fits well in the universe.
Having seen a Star is Born, Gaga seems like she can act as long as she's directed well, although she still has a lot to prove. I thought the trailer was promising.
This sounded so awful on paper but the trailer was surprisingly good. I'm definitely interested now.
Why do people say this 'The trailer looks good' ?
The Movie is NOT the trailer: the trailer is a selection of clips smashed together to music.
You can make anything look good/bad with a trailer.
And with zero reasons given as to why it “looks good”.
It looks good because it looks interesting. The first film was an examination of Joker's origin from a very particular stylistic direction. Style and substance were put together with a vision. We got to see Joker from one particular angle and it was engaging.
This trailer hints that Joker's character can be explored further. How does he react to someone who returns his affections? What will he do when placed in a new set of situations?
It looks like another character study to me...with a particular style and tone that dovetails with the previous film. I'm not put off by the musical. He's an insane man who dresses like a clown.
I am hopeful that it will have something interesting to say and show about the Joker as a character.
I’ve been saying it from the beginning, let Todd Philips cook
Yes, like his classics Hangover 2/3, masterpieces.
If Drinker had seen season 5 of AHS, he wouldn't be questioning the acting skills of Lady Gaga
This guy that is playing Harley is doing a great job acting as Harley.
A rare moment where i think Drinker had lost his mind. I guess he's welcome to it, and he's welcome to be disappointed when he finds out how woke it is.
Gary too…interesting.
but at least he hasn't let history jade his pre-disposition yet.
Yeah these guys are insane to think this is gonna be good.
movies can be gud and woke
About as gud as your spelling of gud @@sppppeeeedyboi
Trailer was a masterpiece.
The icing on the cake would be that media would praise this film because the first one (which they hated) was popular. But the average viewer would hate it.
Holy shit Mauler! Tell us you're Gaga for Gaga without telling us you're Gaga for Gaga...
MauLer is such a legend! Actually had me cracking up in this clip 🤣
Wait, this is a musical?
I was 100% convinced the first Joker movie was going to be the DC version of Venom, right up until I saw the first trailer, and realized that actual effort was clearly going into it. I thought I would hate it, for being so far from how I normally like to see Joker portrayed based on the comics, but the film was just so good that I couldn't help but appreciate it as it's own version of the character. It kept just enough of the base elements of the character to not feel like it wasn't purely using the name recognition, even if I had a hard time picturing this version fighting Batman or doing many of the other typical Joker things.
Once again, my cynical brain makes me wary of a completely unnecessary sequel to a film I really like, and the musical aspect is still very concerning to me. However, I can't deny that the trailer was really good, and Gaga is perhaps not as weird a pick as I first thought. I can already see that this isn't going to be a particularly faithful adaptation of the Mad Love story, but that's not really what I'd expect, based on the first film. It seems like Joker genuinely cares about Harley, as opposed to just being a manipulative abuser, who's using her for his own ends. I think that makes sense, if their idea is to keep the sympathetic aspect of Joker's character from the first film relatively intact. As long as it's a good follow up to the first film, I don't think I'll be too mad if they do something different with Joker/Harley relationship. This is current year, however, so I'll have to wait and see before making any decisions to go see it.
I like It when you guys actually disagree a bit and debate.
She was good in House of Gucci too. The movie was meh but performance-wise she did good. Depends on what is to act there she may deliver.
I have never been a big Lady Gaga fan, but I have been surprisingly impressed with her in A Star is Born and House of Gucci. Plus if she brings this persona she had in the beginning of her career, it seems like a logical choice if this is meant to have musical numbers. Plus, I have seen many female Gaga fans loving her casting for Joker 2, so there's that huge bullseye from a marketing point of view.
Immersions out of the question when you put one of the most recognizable pop stars in a musical w/15 songs. It forces the gimmick they're going for to work at the expense of anything else they could've done. There's no time or opportunity left for anything else now & you have to buy her & her musical ability at face value since they're decidedly not going to hide it & instead use it to dictate the premise. I'm not saying I know exactly what this movie should've been, but now it can only be one thing, at the expense of believability otherwise. Breaking immersion (which she absolutely does whether anyones appreciating that fact yet - they don't make her look or act like she's NOT exactly who you'd recognize her to be (at least in the states) esp when you have her performing musically) is a costly thing to forego right out of the gate. It's likely both your best tool & ultimate goal at once being chucked right out for a gimmick you now have to hope & rely on ppl appreciating at face value. It certainly makes a relationship & setting they might try to characterize less believable when it's a literal celebrity you're seeing (left fully recognizeable, performing her recognized profession). It would be her job to make me forget she's obviously Lady Gaga, but with 15 songs relying on her talent musically I'm simply not permitted any opportunity for this. This was beyond a bold move & while it might work, it now MUST work exactly how they've left it to since, again, there's hardly any room or opportunity outside of it to even operate as a movie with any sense of immersion intact. It now MUST be an unbelievable Lady Gaga-led fever dream that you have to appreciate for that very specific quality bc it's too distracting to leave anything else