Atlantic city had an airport 5 minutes from the Casinos. They closed it after years of sitting vacant they put in a stadium. A few years later both are closed and useless. General Aviation used to go and bring in lots of money investing in the community. Not now. Same with Meigs field in Chicago. General Aviation will gladly take the money where they are welcome. The politicians that push for it to close should be required to personally repay continuously the tax payers for lost revenue after it gets closed.
Um, Burke, for YEARS has done double duty as an airport and as a racetrack for Champ Cars. The drivers LOVE it because there's so much room and they can go wild in their overtaking. One driver said it was both fun and depressing. Why? Well, you can beat the car in front of you And the car behind you can do the same before you complete a lap! 😂💀 (Yes, I've seen it happen. Sometimes, I saw the drivers shake their heads in disbelief after going up one position and losing it - on the same lap.)
Why are you asking us? Experience indicates that by the time the local media is talking about it, it's already a done deal. Do what you want. You always do. And the residents just keep leaving...
But what's REALLY the reason they're looking to close Burke, besides just "We want to close it?" My first time seeing that anyone wanted it closed was a couple of years ago when I happened across an article online, and I was confused why people wanted it closed. I never heard a specific answer besides that people simply want to close it. I never thought it needed closing. I would understand if there were fewer than a dozen flights per month there, or if something drastic had happened there. If they do close it, make it a park. Name it "Burke Lakefront Park." Allow fishing and boat docking at the park. Make part of it a beach. You could even have some kind of gazebo or something, to give even more reason to go there, as a park. I just wish they would leave the stadium where it is. They keep wanting to move the Browns out of the city, and now they keep wanting to move the stadium out of the city, too. Downtown is the central location that everyone can get to. Still build the rendering in Brook Park that Haslam wants because the county could still use something like that. But the city of Brook Park should be the owner of that, with the Browns still downtown.
It averages 20-30 flights a day and peaks greatly with sporting events...So where will all that traffic end up? KCLE - Cleveland/Hopkins International. What about the hangared and tied down airplanes that rent space, where will they go?
So the equivalent of like 30 cars? maybe a couple hundred on a gameday? And keep in mind CLE is at like half of it's historic usage, so it's not like that traffic can't be handled there. Downtown airports are a remnant of a pipe-dream 1960s future where planes replaced cars. That future clearly never materialized, and never will. So in the meantime, lets actually do something useful with the land instead of spending city money to cater to people wealthy enough to afford their own aircraft or to charter private jets.
@@longhaulflyer Note what was said around the 2:43 point, "and medical flights". Would closing Burke help lives or harm lives by moving those Medical Air Service jets and helos elsewhere? Is saving even just one life worth having Burke for?
@@longhaulflyer Back to the air ambulances. Cleveland Clinic Hospital for instance, is something like 15 minutes, 5 miles, from Burke while the other air ambulance field is at Wadsworth Municipal Airport something like 20 miles away. Granted, Hopkins is closer than Wadsworth, but at Burke there isn't the greater volume of traffic, air or ground, to work through. Would medical care be better with or without Burke?
They're not messing with the stadium. What they are planning on doing is adding a land bridge connecting the stadium with Strawbridge Plaza. They're also turning Alfred Lerner into a boulevard. This also includes a new Intermodal Transport Hub, for the new arrival of Future Amtrak Routes within its expansion plans. So if anything happens to the stadium. They're probably just going to refurbish it. It's staying on the Lake, because where else are they going to put it? In the Lake?
Is he going to pull a meigs field?
Atlantic city had an airport 5 minutes from the Casinos. They closed it after years of sitting vacant they put in a stadium. A few years later both are closed and useless. General Aviation used to go and bring in lots of money investing in the community. Not now. Same with Meigs field in Chicago. General Aviation will gladly take the money where they are welcome.
The politicians that push for it to close should be required to personally repay continuously the tax payers for lost revenue after it gets closed.
Um, Burke, for YEARS has done double duty as an airport and as a racetrack for Champ Cars. The drivers LOVE it because there's so much room and they can go wild in their overtaking. One driver said it was both fun and depressing. Why? Well, you can beat the car in front of you
And the car behind you can do the same before you complete a lap! 😂💀 (Yes, I've seen it happen. Sometimes, I saw the drivers shake their heads in disbelief after going up one position and losing it - on the same lap.)
so i guess this is the next meggs field
Ok if you close it we can take the planes 30 miles on the other side of Lake Erie in ST Thomas ONT south of London
Why are you asking us? Experience indicates that by the time the local media is talking about it, it's already a done deal. Do what you want. You always do. And the residents just keep leaving...
But what's REALLY the reason they're looking to close Burke, besides just "We want to close it?" My first time seeing that anyone wanted it closed was a couple of years ago when I happened across an article online, and I was confused why people wanted it closed. I never heard a specific answer besides that people simply want to close it. I never thought it needed closing. I would understand if there were fewer than a dozen flights per month there, or if something drastic had happened there.
If they do close it, make it a park. Name it "Burke Lakefront Park." Allow fishing and boat docking at the park. Make part of it a beach. You could even have some kind of gazebo or something, to give even more reason to go there, as a park.
I just wish they would leave the stadium where it is. They keep wanting to move the Browns out of the city, and now they keep wanting to move the stadium out of the city, too. Downtown is the central location that everyone can get to. Still build the rendering in Brook Park that Haslam wants because the county could still use something like that. But the city of Brook Park should be the owner of that, with the Browns still downtown.
It averages 20-30 flights a day and peaks greatly with sporting events...So where will all that traffic end up? KCLE - Cleveland/Hopkins International. What about the hangared and tied down airplanes that rent space, where will they go?
so not even 2 flights per hour on average? For a downtown airport it certainly seems like a decent argument to close if there's nearby alternatives.
@@Joesolo13 Does that average include 1, 2, 3, and 4am, where it is not astonishing for there to be few civil aviation flights?
So the equivalent of like 30 cars? maybe a couple hundred on a gameday? And keep in mind CLE is at like half of it's historic usage, so it's not like that traffic can't be handled there.
Downtown airports are a remnant of a pipe-dream 1960s future where planes replaced cars. That future clearly never materialized, and never will. So in the meantime, lets actually do something useful with the land instead of spending city money to cater to people wealthy enough to afford their own aircraft or to charter private jets.
@@longhaulflyer Note what was said around the 2:43 point, "and medical flights". Would closing Burke help lives or harm lives by moving those Medical Air Service jets and helos elsewhere? Is saving even just one life worth having Burke for?
@@longhaulflyer Back to the air ambulances. Cleveland Clinic Hospital for instance, is something like 15 minutes, 5 miles, from Burke while the other air ambulance field is at Wadsworth Municipal Airport something like 20 miles away. Granted, Hopkins is closer than Wadsworth, but at Burke there isn't the greater volume of traffic, air or ground, to work through. Would medical care be better with or without Burke?
Hey. Do you know how many cities would give
their eyeteeth to have a downtown airport? Close Hopkins airport
wild take
Leave our stadium on the lake!
They're not messing with the stadium. What they are planning on doing is adding a land bridge connecting the stadium with Strawbridge Plaza. They're also turning Alfred Lerner into a boulevard. This also includes a new Intermodal Transport Hub, for the new arrival of Future Amtrak Routes within its expansion plans. So if anything happens to the stadium. They're probably just going to refurbish it. It's staying on the Lake, because where else are they going to put it? In the Lake?
Follow the money.
Bibs doesn’t have a clue how to build a beautiful city full of hope and prosperity
Well it requires something more than a population dependent on government and federal funding.
You guys acting like you will be affected by it closing lol, who cares if the billionaires have to drive an extra 20 minutes from hopkins
Ask Chicago how closing Meigs worked out .... promised development is still nothing years later.....
Yeah, "best practices' and all that jazz..
They never think it thru do they?...Money and greed...
Beautiful park actually.
Two different states with two different economies...
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