@@dickn.ormous1064 Right cuz in this tournament he had to face off against stronger chinese teammates Wang Hao, Xu Xin, Zhang JIke all in their primes or at least close to their prime condition. Not to forget players like Samsonov, Kenta, Joo, Boll that where still strong at the time and still took effort to defeat. Later on it was really only FZD that was threating and LJK would do better than most and that was about it
HA that's a funny statement Xu Xin and Ma Lin are both better than Wang Hao and they're just penholders, Joo Saehyuk is another of my favorite players and there are many others who have matched ma Long in matches it's just that mas consistency is on another level
@@bryanwells4063 Idk man Xu Xin is certainly not better and idk if you can say Ma Lin is better either. Wang Hao is the only man who beat Ma Long in wttc THREE times. Joo only beat him in his first wttc in 2007. There are many who has had good games against ML over the years but Wang Hao seems to be the only one he has consistent trouble with
I think Wang Hao said "怎么受/手伤啦?" Which kinda translates to either "did you get an injury?" or "did you get an injury on your hand?".... I think one of those that's my guess
Wang Hao controlled Ma Long with his serves. When WH serves, he almost always gets a weak return. This is followed by a strong attack or a BH to BH exchange where WH has the upper hand. This made ML very eager to use his FH by stepping around to his BH. WH anticipated this and answers accordingly (even wider to BH or to FH).
Wang Hao rips here, RVP best ever grip, it saved me from a mediocre backhand, and Iv'e tried many grips, from the 'traditional' penhold to the popular shakehands, and even the awful 'Danny Seemiller grip'. Thank you Wang Hao, you gave me the backhand of my dreams (for my level) Robert at 66.
Ma long improved a lot years later. Like he’s been to the most difficult match against FZD in wttc 2017.. like bruh. And he continues to dominate to this day
I've seen that match live. Wang Hao was not even trying and defensive all the time. Compare the match with his matches in quarter and semis, even this match, you could clearly see Wang Hao can kick ass when he is motivated but somehow occasionally.
3 time silver man, that's gotta be disappointing for him. I'm just happy to see him still out there working toward that elusive gold. Hopefully the tides will flow his way in Rio.
From my point of view, Malong achieved success in later of his career because ZJK, Wanghao past their prime. Fanzhengdong, wangchuquin, fangbo are pretty young, could not compare to him.If Malong better than ZJK or WangHao, why he had to wait till 2015 to get 1st WTTC title?
Mike D Wang Hao always owned him before he retired. It seemed like it was a sort of mental block for Ma Long and in every big tournament he would lose to Wang Hao. It used to be Wang Hao never being able to beat Ma Lin and now its the other way around with nobody being able to beat Ma Long. Almost like a never ending cycle
Wang Hao deserved this win. He came ready to play and Ma Long did not. When Ma Long played Timo Boll he was cho-ing every point. Here, complete silence. Sadly, Wang Hao did not learn from Ma Long's mistake and brought a similar weak energy to the final against ZJK!
I guess the main tactic used by Wang Hao is to change the degree of spin against the top speed from high to zero by Ma, Zhang, Yim and Xu during the matches as frequently as possible. Maybe penhold could produce the sudden changing more easier than the another blade...
Wang hao likes Ma longs style no spin just power and fast play that's how he beat yan an and ma long but Zhang Jike is to good for wang hao because Zhang Jike spins very good wang hao has to block it back or go into a counter looping rally
Ma long lost to Wang Hao, simply because WH has much precise and strong backhand, while WH can almost compete with Ma long for forehand. ZJK on the other hand, has much better backhand, therefore ZJK wins over WH. For recently finished china open, Ma long has improved a lot for backhand, then he beat WH in the end.
wang hao failed to return malong's serve at 6:2 in the last game, but the judge said"let" which means malong did not score. At the end of the match, I guess wanghao said to malong"球擦了一下"(the ball touched the net)， pronounced as...you can google translate it. Just guessing by his mouth movement.
anyone have any recommendations for best wang hao matches? i just started watching table tennis recently and wang hao is my fav! but i’m sure there are some great matches of his that i’ve missed
Wang hao beats Ma Long in WTTC three times. All in quarter final. WTTC 2009 Wang hao 4:1 Ma Long WTTC 2011 Wang hao 4:2 Ma Long WTTC 2013 Wang hao 4:2 Ma Long
ML's BH is very good, his problem is his confidence.There are numerous matches that he crashes WH and ZJK on BH BH situations. He thinks his backhand is much lower level than his opponents (whereas the difference is not so high) and thats why he loses. He is struggling all the time to step around to use FH, predictable tactic and was used against him by WH as you said with diagonal BH. He should stay on BH BH and try to force WH to exchange FH rallies, clearly he is the best in the world in that
oh in that case, it was such a pity that he couldn't get a gold medal despite deserving one all these years. Best wishes for whatever he's doing in the future.
What is BETTER than the reverse penhold with the knuckles TUCKED IN, not spread out over the bat, (unlike Xu Xin) Thought I was the only one on the planet who used that grip.
Wang Hao can always beat Ma Long, at least in those big important matches. Ma plays very well but he has a big drawback just as the coach Liu Guoliang says: Ma's ball is too regular and lacks the power to beat the opposite in one shock. When Ma is confronting with the topest players like Wang Hao, this drawback is fatal.
Does anyone else think wang hao used his RPB a bit too much? It was extremely good of course but still not ideal for a penhold player to have as many BH to BH exchanges with a shake hand player. Maybe he should have run around his BH more and used his RBP more sparingly like Ma lin did. Would have needed to lose a few kilos and get a little fitter though as it takes more steps to run around the BH more. Still he was one of the best players ever but maybe a bit lazy with his footwork and fitness cost him a few titles. Should maybe worked harder on his footwork to leverage his FH more like a classic penhold guy (like RSM or Ma lin did). Still a great player to watch with great technique who used his rpb like today's players use banana flick but Maybe had sometimes too many technical weapons and could have benefited from a simpler, no nonsense penhold game with a more dominant forehand
Yes, forehand should still be the main attacking weapon in a match, even for shakehanders. Forehand play keeps good footwork in place and encourages more positive play.
6:40 How the heck does Wang Hao do that ending point? Was the side spin from Ma Long? I thought it was impossible to side spin in that direction with the RPB?!?
that's not Ma long we all know. IMO, the main reason is obvious: in the morning of the same day he played against Timo Boll, with Liu Guoliang on his back pushing him to his limit. He was jumping like a lion, and gave it all, with a superb match. Then, in the evening this crappy performance... simply, it was totally drained, worn out, with no physical nor mental focus left... And that's more than enough to be beaten by a certain Wang Hao
we are in 2019 and this is the last time Ma Long lost a match in a WTTC (team and singles).
Andrea Scarton and now Ma Long is the goat!
Whoa!!
That says more about the level of competition than Ma Long's game.
Because Wang Hao retired in 2014
@@dickn.ormous1064 Right cuz in this tournament he had to face off against stronger chinese teammates Wang Hao, Xu Xin, Zhang JIke all in their primes or at least close to their prime condition. Not to forget players like Samsonov, Kenta, Joo, Boll that where still strong at the time and still took effort to defeat. Later on it was really only FZD that was threating and LJK would do better than most and that was about it
Wang Hao was one of the greatest rivals to Ma Long. Now he is his coach.
Hao is the only person who can give Ma Long a run for his money
HA that's a funny statement Xu Xin and Ma Lin are both better than Wang Hao and they're just penholders, Joo Saehyuk is another of my favorite players and there are many others who have matched ma Long in matches it's just that mas consistency is on another level
@@bryanwells4063 Idk man Xu Xin is certainly not better and idk if you can say Ma Lin is better either. Wang Hao is the only man who beat Ma Long in wttc THREE times. Joo only beat him in his first wttc in 2007. There are many who has had good games against ML over the years but Wang Hao seems to be the only one he has consistent trouble with
OK， here is the cycle , Ma Long hates Wang Hao, Wang Hao hates Zhang Jike and Zhang jike hates Ma Long
Yeah and ma long always meet wang hao in the semi final in the WTTC so that´s why ma long can never win :(
Around 2004-2007 the cycle was Wang Liqin hated Wang Hao, Wang Hao hated Ma Lin and Ma Lin hated Wang Liqin
........and I love Dai Jiaoqian 戴娇倩 :)
shuntian wang
Roofing
And we all went Wang Wang all the way home...
After that Loss Ma Long Decided to become The best☺️
but he lost world cup 2014 to zhang jike... that's probably where your comment should be
Christian Adrian Aniceta one loss doesn't mean that he wasn't the best
3 in a role wttc championship. 2015_2017_2019.
Ma long now is unstoppable
@@dickn.ormous1064 Yes, Wang Hao really lost control for his weight. Somehow ironically, he is not that heavy at present.
I think Wang Hao said "怎么受/手伤啦?" Which kinda translates to either "did you get an injury?" or "did you get an injury on your hand?".... I think one of those that's my guess
nah he said 操你妈了个逼 which means "I think ur forehand is shit"
@@sk91hkwn You aren't serious? :D
@@ttime9947 he said "u are way better than that" little panda ain't a bad panda
Wang Hao controlled Ma Long with his serves. When WH serves, he almost always gets a weak return. This is followed by a strong attack or a BH to BH exchange where WH has the upper hand. This made ML very eager to use his FH by stepping around to his BH. WH anticipated this and answers accordingly (even wider to BH or to FH).
Wang Hao has a backhand that is as good as shakehanders... That is holy adorable!
I miss Wang Hao :D .. so inspiring for penholders..
right now my favorite is Wang Zeng Yi :D
Jenny Pearson why? haha I like his rpb :D
Xu xin
Wang Hao's backhand is still unrivaled
Wang Hao rips here, RVP best ever grip, it saved me from a mediocre backhand, and Iv'e tried many grips, from the 'traditional' penhold to the popular shakehands, and even the awful 'Danny Seemiller grip'. Thank you Wang Hao, you gave me the backhand of my dreams (for my level) Robert at 66.
王皓的直拍反手技术到目前为止没人能超越。
I think Wang Hao was the only player that didn't had a negative h2h vs Ma Long
Ma long improved a lot years later. Like he’s been to the most difficult match against FZD in wttc 2017.. like bruh. And he continues to dominate to this day
Wang Hao ,Ma Long'u en çok yenen oyuncudur. Reyizdir adamın dibidir , penholderların ilham kaynağıdır
now this is a real table tennis game !
I've seen that match live. Wang Hao was not even trying and defensive all the time. Compare the match with his matches in quarter and semis, even this match, you could clearly see Wang Hao can kick ass when he is motivated but somehow occasionally.
Ma Long really deserves the World Title
3 time silver man, that's gotta be disappointing for him. I'm just happy to see him still out there working toward that elusive gold. Hopefully the tides will flow his way in Rio.
Well now he is a 3 times gold WC.
Wang Hao will transform every time.He has competed on Big match.
From my point of view, Malong achieved success in later of his career because ZJK, Wanghao past their prime. Fanzhengdong, wangchuquin, fangbo are pretty young, could not compare to him.If Malong better than ZJK or WangHao, why he had to wait till 2015 to get 1st WTTC title?
Never seen Ma Long get owned, or loose in general for that matter...Wang was in a zone! :)
Mike D Wang Hao always owned him before he retired. It seemed like it was a sort of mental block for Ma Long and in every big tournament he would lose to Wang Hao. It used to be Wang Hao never being able to beat Ma Lin and now its the other way around with nobody being able to beat Ma Long. Almost like a never ending cycle
I think, next WTTC will win MA Long.
and fang bo got defeated by ma long..ma long is now 3 wttc winner in a row :))))
Wang Hao, Master of RBP 4ever.
Wang Hao majestic Reverse penhold backhand is quite strong
Wang Hao deserved this win. He came ready to play and Ma Long did not. When Ma Long played Timo Boll he was cho-ing every point. Here, complete silence. Sadly, Wang Hao did not learn from Ma Long's mistake and brought a similar weak energy to the final against ZJK!
马龙也有被教做人的时候，当时马龙二十五岁王皓三十岁（次年王皓宣布退役）Wang Hao (30 ys old) taught Ma Long (25 ys old) a lesson and taught the other players how to defeat Ma Long.
I have never seen Ma Long as dominated in a match.
I guess the main tactic used by Wang Hao is to change the degree of spin against the top speed from high to zero by Ma, Zhang, Yim and Xu during the matches as frequently as possible. Maybe penhold could produce the sudden changing more easier than the another blade...
the student against the master
Wang Hao are coming back strong. The blow left his hands are full and effective than before. It is not easy final for Zhang Jike
He was the only who could stop Ma Long, ma long wanted to dictat the game every time but wang hao always had the response
This match tell us PENHOLD NEVER DIE
Who's that guy in the blue shorts? I thought Ma Long was supposed to play? :p
Joseph Garrett won 3 wttc titles now lmao 😂
Did they not shake hands?
From Wang Hao's lips, it looks like he said "以后再来", Come again next time.
7:34 Wang Hao said: Ma Long, you can't win me forever in WTTC 1/4 final, HAHAHA, you have lost 3 times, 2009, 2011 and 2013!! haha
5:51 We don't see this underspin serve from Ma Long very often
look at wang hao's power!
Backhand players are a problem for Ma Long
Wang hao likes Ma longs style no spin just power and fast play that's how he beat yan an and ma long but Zhang Jike is to good for wang hao because Zhang Jike spins very good wang hao has to block it back or go into a counter looping rally
Nothing is better than the RVP grip at its best.
KOREA OPEN 2013:MA LONG VS WANG HAO 4-2
WTTC PARIS 2013:MA LONG VS WANG HAO 2-4
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
有人知道最后王皓跟马龙说了什么？Does anybody know what Wang Hao said to Ma Long at the end? Curious haha.
Ma long lost to Wang Hao, simply because WH has much precise and strong backhand, while WH can almost compete with Ma long for forehand. ZJK on the other hand, has much better backhand, therefore ZJK wins over WH. For recently finished china open, Ma long has improved a lot for backhand, then he beat WH in the end.
I am wondering what wang hao said to ma long at the end....,,,,
me to
@@ahhdodbegyd your forehand is shit
wang hao failed to return malong's serve at 6:2 in the last game, but the judge said"let" which means malong did not score. At the end of the match, I guess wanghao said to malong"球擦了一下"(the ball touched the net)， pronounced as...you can google translate it. Just guessing by his mouth movement.
anyone have any recommendations for best wang hao matches? i just started watching table tennis recently and wang hao is my fav! but i’m sure there are some great matches of his that i’ve missed
He won the world title in 2009 so that might be a fun set of matches to watch?
..probably missed..but then that RVP grip is the 'most'
Nice Game
Why Ma didn’t greeted at the end Wang?why would he do that?
4:22 What a great receive!
I agree you.In fact,that is the reason why Liu Guoliang likes ZJK and Wang more.Ma long's playstyle is not creative.
When will the final match?
Love when RVP penholders kick tail on shakehanders..LOL!
Ahah Ma Long is just a Pro Tour winner. He's so weak in WTTC, that's incredible... ZJK forever ♥
KiraWasHere -flickr no its ma long forever
thats not true ma long is a world champ now in 2015. soon gold medal olympic champ in 2016 peace
+KiraWasHere -flickr lol
Where are you now in 2018??????
Wang hao beats Ma Long in WTTC three times. All in quarter final.
WTTC 2009 Wang hao 4:1 Ma Long
WTTC 2011 Wang hao 4:2 Ma Long
WTTC 2013 Wang hao 4:2 Ma Long
*semi final
Ma long, you have to play forehand~~~
in the end ,wang hao said "ma long, it is not full of your skill, why are you not in the good condition today?, "
my chinese is a bit rusty but i think Wang Hao says something in the line "-Got you the third time stright sucker"
ML's BH is very good, his problem is his confidence.There are numerous matches that he crashes WH and ZJK on BH BH situations. He thinks his backhand is much lower level than his opponents (whereas the difference is not so high) and thats why he loses. He is struggling all the time to step around to use FH, predictable tactic and was used against him by WH as you said with diagonal BH. He should stay on BH BH and try to force WH to exchange FH rallies, clearly he is the best in the world in that
Anyone notice in the ast 3 wttcs over the 6 years Ma long has lost to Wang Hao in all 3 of those wttcs in the semi final?
oh in that case, it was such a pity that he couldn't get a gold medal despite deserving one all these years. Best wishes for whatever he's doing in the future.
This aged wepp
What is BETTER than the reverse penhold with the knuckles TUCKED IN, not spread out over the bat, (unlike Xu Xin) Thought I was the only one on the planet who used that grip.
At this shape Wang Hao had won all 3 Olympic Finals.
Wang Hao can always beat Ma Long, at least in those big important matches. Ma plays very well but he has a big drawback just as the coach Liu Guoliang says: Ma's ball is too regular and lacks the power to beat the opposite in one shock. When Ma is confronting with the topest players like Wang Hao, this drawback is fatal.
8 years later, the guy which shots lacked of power, is now the GOAT of this sport
@@francorastelli6308 Greatest of the plastic ball era.He was irrelevant with the celluloid 'cause his flat shots couldn't cut it.
Wang Hao at the end to ma long "you used to be way better than that".
王皓王打球很美。18个世界重大比赛世界冠军。很强。他在享受世界比赛，再多一个或少一个世界冠军已经不是主要因为已经18个世界重大比赛冠军。
1:07
is it me or Ma Long tried to apply Zhang Jike's strategy on that point which usually breaks Wang Hao's footwork?
wang hao said: next time, you will be champion!
He said :"Don't forget we will meet at XXXXXX(the address of some Chinese restaurant in Paris) tonight, are you clear?"
Does anyone else think wang hao used his RPB a bit too much? It was extremely good of course but still not ideal for a penhold player to have as many BH to BH exchanges with a shake hand player.
Maybe he should have run around his BH more and used his RBP more sparingly like Ma lin did. Would have needed to lose a few kilos and get a little fitter though as it takes more steps to run around the BH more.
Still he was one of the best players ever but maybe a bit lazy with his footwork and fitness cost him a few titles. Should maybe worked harder on his footwork to leverage his FH more like a classic penhold guy (like RSM or Ma lin did).
Still a great player to watch with great technique who used his rpb like today's players use banana flick but
Maybe had sometimes too many technical weapons and could have benefited from a simpler, no nonsense penhold game with a more dominant forehand
Yes, forehand should still be the main attacking weapon in a match, even for shakehanders. Forehand play keeps good footwork in place and encourages more positive play.
thats what we all thought and said before...and then there was 2011 and 2012 olympics. im pretty sure zhang will win.
Zhang terminated Wang finally, and again. He is the nightmare of Wang Hao. :D
7:34 what did he say to him at the end of the match? ??????????????????????????????????????????????
It's been 6 years and I'm still trying to figure it out
Ma Long did not used his killer forehand...just backhand blocks...:(
just like the old days of ma lin x wang liqin, or almost that
Yan An try's to play like ma long and they play on the same team
彼は次の年から6年間世界卓球で負けなしとなる。伝説だ！
even the Best of the Best lose every now and then.
best rpb
Hao Long Ma Wang?
Ma long wang
6:40 How the heck does Wang Hao do that ending point? Was the side spin from Ma Long? I thought it was impossible to side spin in that direction with the RPB?!?
It's Wang Hao's spin! You can see a little bit of sideways motion in his shot. Same as a shakehand player's backhand
Guys before u compare the points just see the ranks and after you did never compare Ma long again
Ma Long without coach = Nothing
Ma Long is like a computer, it won't do anything unless you give it a command.
because Wang Hao feel weird why Ma Long not use the timeout when he was passive at the match
Combination of Ma Long not still being as fast and not as secure on the backhand. And of course Wang Hao tricked him a lot on the serves.
“Ma Long Wang Hao” is like a mixture of Chinese and English, and it translates to “my long pp is good”
that's not Ma long we all know. IMO, the main reason is obvious: in the morning of the same day he played against Timo Boll, with Liu Guoliang on his back pushing him to his limit. He was jumping like a lion, and gave it all, with a superb match. Then, in the evening this crappy performance... simply, it was totally drained, worn out, with no physical nor mental focus left... And that's more than enough to be beaten by a certain Wang Hao
He just can't play under pressure, he start to make bad decisions (he said something like that in some interview)
2013 not 2011 or 2009 -.-
1:20 the guy says 9/11
its the score
رائفی پور ببینه کون ما ایرانیا پارس
so true!
BH của Ma long có vấn đề. Mình nghĩ Ma Long đổi mặt để quả trái phòng thủ hiệu quả hơn. Nhưng dường như kết quả ngược lại.
Just about the experience .............
Nah, even Wang Hao knew something was wrong. Just look at him question Ma at the end.
Wang hao is too strong
obviously hao said something tender in the end...there is no animosity between the chinese players
how is with wang haos loses to Zhang Jike ?
Good question..
wang Hao's got a tan. Ma long jelly