Bryan Caplan: "The Case Against Education"

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  • Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025

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  • @diegomorales8616
    @diegomorales8616 3 года назад +6

    More than anything, I appreciate that he distinguishes between teaching vs learning. And learning anything vs learning employable skills.

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  • @NathanSaor1798
    @NathanSaor1798 4 года назад +10

    Wish I could study at GMU for a reasonable price! Bryan is amazing I watch all of his content, read all of his books!

    • @bozimmerman
      @bozimmerman 3 года назад +3

      Same here. My fav economist, even when I think some of his declarations are ill considered.

  • @BC-ze4tp
    @BC-ze4tp 2 месяца назад

    A great lecture with great insights.
    I would still make a case against the signaling explains it all argument - that you forgot almost everything you studied at university and IQ, literacy and math skills don't increase significantly during college (and for those who work hard and don't cheat it might not be the case).
    My point is - everything you learned in college you forgot, but it took you 4 years to learn it. Now ask yourself, how much time will it take you to relearn it all? Probably a very short time, a few months will suffice. And many graduates work in jobs even though they don't require academic knowledge they are relatable to what you majored in. For example an econ major that works in a bank or a data analyst that majored in math...
    In those jobs you deal with materials that can be similar to what you learned at school and the deep neural connections that you created in the econ class have been weaken to the point you don't remember the material but not to the point that they have been completely erased, and they could be served to learn subjects that are closely related to what you have learned and do it quickly.
    Someone who studied history didn't increase his IQ significantly but he did increase his ability to understand texts about dates, even though he forgot everything factual that he learned, this neural connections will serve him in his job as a fraud assessor in a credit insurance company.
    Anyway, your points are still valid and mind provoking. And also alarming about the health of our democracy in chronic political ignorance

  • @212025510
    @212025510 2 года назад +2

    If you need to have a college degree in order to become a waiter in America, then the schooling system is worse than before, not better. From what I've heard the schooling system is much better in Europe.

    • @IAmInterested-cc4hr
      @IAmInterested-cc4hr 10 месяцев назад

      You dont need the degree to do the job, we just so highly subsidized college degrees that not having that degree is perceived as being of low aptitude and so employers use it as a simple litmus test to eliminate applicants

  • @amateur_adventurist
    @amateur_adventurist Год назад +3

    yeah but not everything is about working, education is not designed to make you find a job, you can find a job in mcdonald if you want

    • @jhghf9685
      @jhghf9685 Год назад +2

      This is true, but colleges aren't even successful in teaching people critical thinking (for which people praise them). This fact alone should make us think about their utility. Of course, there are cases, where a college education is necessary (especially in medicine), but most of the time spending such an amount of money for studying a few years for a worthless degree is just a waste of time.

    • @OptimalOwl
      @OptimalOwl Год назад +3

      When surveyed, most college students will admit that the reason they're in college is to help get a better job. That's their own story about what they're doing, so it's at least worth addressing.
      But do also remember that this is the one respect in which education fails the least, comparatively speaking. Having a more impressive degree really will help you get a better job.

  • @psychicspy
    @psychicspy 2 года назад +6

    Sure. Let's do it. Lets dumb down the curriculum even further. Just prepare yourself for inequality in all aspects of society the likes of which you have never seen.

    • @divinegon4671
      @divinegon4671 2 года назад +6

      You have a weak grasp of the situation

    • @psychicspy
      @psychicspy 2 года назад +2

      @divinegon4671
      If you water down education so that students are not encouraged to pursue difficult courses then only the brightest and well motivated will amount to anything.

    • @psychicspy
      @psychicspy 2 года назад

      @@divinegon4671
      So enlighten me.

    • @divinegon4671
      @divinegon4671 2 года назад

      @@psychicspy force children to labor in the fields.

    • @psychicspy
      @psychicspy 2 года назад

      @@divinegon4671
      Eat ice cream with a fork

  • @nononouh
    @nononouh 2 года назад

    :50 3

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    @yossischmeidler9145 Год назад

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  • @brendanmcnichols302
    @brendanmcnichols302 3 года назад +6

    Having a basic understanding of history and other subjects is vital to a functioning democracy. The main reason why conspiracy theories and reactionary politics are becoming so widespread is that Americans are very poorly educated. Also, the arts are important to culture and just being a well-rounded human being. This line of thinking comes off as very reductionist, as if schools should just be factories for producing industrial employees.
    There are numerous problems with the education system, but all austerity does is hurt poor people

    • @diegomorales8616
      @diegomorales8616 3 года назад +10

      Is government school the only way to learn history? See James Tooley. Is a larger government more helpful for people? See the freedom index.

    • @brendanmcnichols302
      @brendanmcnichols302 3 года назад +2

      @@diegomorales8616 No, but most people can’t afford private school and I don’t think self-teaching would scale well to the majority of young people. My preferred solution would be public funding of non public schools, or even individual teachers being able to operate independently, as long as basic standards were met to qualify for public funding.
      His take just came off as a bit reductionist, dismissing the value of areas of study that aren’t explicitly job training

    • @brendanmcnichols302
      @brendanmcnichols302 3 года назад +1

      @The505Guys It certainly can work very well for a lot of people. There’s plenty of resources, from free online courses, to being able to have almost any book delivered to you for under $20, and RUclips, which in some ways functions like I think a university should: audiences curious about gaining knowledge for its own sake, and creators presenting ideas free from institutional restrictions.
      This approach does require a level of self-discipline though that I think would be difficult for most young people. Maybe this could be possible in the future if there’s a cultural shift in that direction. There’s also the issue that one can gain a lot of information on a topic, but may be lacking in foundational aspects unless they know which sources to investigate.
      Finally, it can be just as easy to find profound insights on a topic as it can be to fall into an unhelpful echo chamber. A level of discernment is required that I don’t think most people possess currently. That’s where I think that if topics like critical thinking, media literacy, and basic psychology were taught in a formalized way from a young age it would have a huge positive impact on our society

    • @bozimmerman
      @bozimmerman 3 года назад +10

      He covers all that in his book, and destroys it. This is a perfect example of someone reviewing a book without checking the table of contents.

    • @brendanmcnichols302
      @brendanmcnichols302 3 года назад +4

      @@bozimmerman I haven’t read his book, I’ve just seen this video and a couple debates he’s done. Does he offer a solution other than just defunding? I acknowledge that the current system is bad, but wouldn’t gutting it just make things worse?

  • @jaehwan123
    @jaehwan123 2 года назад +4

    He's trying to break things down to the bare minimum of practical knowledge which he believes are necessary to do a job while ignoring the views of actual employers/HR people. In other words, HE doesn't think the ability to decode Latin helps a person do a better job at being a doctor, but he doesn't think it important to ask the opinions of hospitals that hire doctors or med schools that admit them. There may be a good reason that med schools look for people who've demonstrated nimbleness of thought by learning Latin.

    • @jaehwan123
      @jaehwan123 2 года назад +1

      Also, I'm not sure why he thinks waitering hasn't changed substantially over time. For those of us who have been alive long enough, we remember what customer service used to look like. It's very different from what it's like today. Waitering at some restaurants requires much softer skills these days, and these skills are even more important in these days of Yelp and Google Reviews.

    • @michaelhutchings6602
      @michaelhutchings6602 Год назад +3

      You need to learn this dead language to perform surgery because…..you just do okay!

    • @IAmInterested-cc4hr
      @IAmInterested-cc4hr 10 месяцев назад

      HR, aka human resources, so who is reducing humans ?

    • @IAmInterested-cc4hr
      @IAmInterested-cc4hr 10 месяцев назад

      Great for doctors, most people won't be doctors. Most people will work at Target which is fine