I'm using RGB where applicable, the only thing I'm in the process of modding is an N64 because it's more convenient for my CRT TV than s-video is. also because I hate the anti-aliasing on that thing. My NES is still using composite video with a home-made scart cable that sends the audio to both the left and right channels. It's 50hz (PAL) here, so I think if we can't have decent performing retro games, we ought to at least have a good image quality.
Fortunately I was able to get my setup pretty much completed before I had kids and had a little disposable income. I went with a scart setup and did some mods on my SNES mini and n64. I've got a few systems running on Svideo. I can't tell a huge difference between svideo and rgb. The difference between composite and svideo and rgb is huge. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to more videos!
Thank you for actually taking the time to explain all of this. I am pretty new to the concept of improving vintage gaming experiences and I was having a hell of a time finding good info on this subject!
i know this is 5 years old, but i dont blame you for thinking that. It was developed alongside super-vhs developed by JVC in the late 1980's for high end consumer tv's. VHS remained king, and then DVD took over so it became quickly obsolete.
I use s-video on my CRT on all native consoles. I found that game cube Mario sunshine shows great differences mainly in the red/blue colors from Mario.
gabrielmassa nice!! Svideo on a crt is amazing. I use it on my trinitron for ps1 and ps2. I love it, my resident evil live streams are in svideo aswell
S Video is basically hi def on a CRT. I used to play Madden at home on an HDTV and when i went to my friends house, he only had the trinitrons. It was frustrating because you couldn't see when your receiver would make a break on his route on the CRT, but with S Video you could! It quite literally was almost indistinguishable from my HDTV at the time. If you're looking for retro tvs nowadays make sure you get one with S Video!
I actually still have and use a 1990 zenith CRT that we have had since back then. It actually has an S-video input (the tv menu calls it "Y/C". I wish i knew back in the day that you could hook a super nintndo up do that when you have the right cable and get a better image. Its a shame that port got wasted all those early years but I used it in 2002 to play DVDs through the s-video port
S-Video is the ultimate sweet-spot between quality and price. For pre-HD generations of consoles, it's definitely good enough. Component or RGB will give you that extra bit of oomph but usually at a much higher cost. The one exception I make is enjoying Dreamcast on a CRT monitor with VGA for 480p, but that's a treat and I only do it because of 480p.
all you need is s-video cables and a way to plug them in, HOWEVER, there's many more options for you... i did a few more videos explaining them all "video signals explained" and "all consoles and their outputs" i should make a playlist about video quality and put them all in there
9 years ago I was playing Xbox 360 on a Panasonic Flat TV Plasma. I used the normal AV cables since Xbox 360 didn't have HDMI. One day I opened the Xbox box to get the manual after having the Rings of death and found the component cables and wondered what is it for. So I took them and checked the TV and I was shocked the they match the colors so i plugged right away. Also I remember it having a small switch between HD and normal. I couldn't believe my eyes how beautiful it was. Unbelievable difference. Even though I didn't know how they work or what they are called it just happened. 9 years later I just learned about them know and its a blessing to live through all the technological advancement and see how big the gap since then. 4K gaming is the norm today with 60 fps. So yeah big jump
great video! im in school right now to get A+ certified in software/hardware/security. i never had the time to look up ports and their functions/history. Since i am on chapter 1 in hardware, this is an excellent start.
You would think S-Video could have been even more advanced with a true RGB connection too… Such a shame. Especially since we never officially got Scart in North America.
i just recently got my PS2 Gamecube/N64 and OG XBOX A/V cables with S-Video but just only using tha S-Video portion to my capture while my composite goes to my CRT and wow what a difference it makes
I just got a trinitron for my game room. My Saturn is hooked up through s video on it, all other stuff is composite. Would the snes and n64 be that much sharper on a CRT too?
Yes. The SNES and N64 both output 240p, which a lot of modern HDTVs treat as 480i and mess up. I'd definitely say if you already have a CRT it's definitely worth it to play both those systems on it. (Note that the N64 actually does some antialiasing on the hardware itself, so even over s-video on a CRT you might not get the same kind of "sharpness" out of the system as you can out of, say, the SNES, but you'll still get better colors and less noise out of s video. plus, the cables are cheap)
I recommend a video by Techquickie where it has a segment where it explains why CRT TV's are superior to LCD screens in some respects. ruclips.net/video/bW7NjQLpHx0/видео.html
@@ShamoaKrasieski-xm4ze But do brand name s-video SNES/N64/GCN cables exist? I mean, you have to get the ones with a very specific Nintendo connector, and I doubt there is a big enough market for a known manufacture to produce those cables. Amazon just has a bunch of random brands. Some seem fairly well reviewed, but I wouldn't assume there's anything high quality about them... hmm... idk.
I did some more tests with S-Video compared to hdmi on digital tvs and I don't know what it is about S-Video but it gives less motion blur when compared to hdmi. I'm convinced that gaming on a digital TV from Atari 2600 to Playstation 5 is better with a digital TV with a good S-Video port because it gives less motion blur and it looks good being still too. I'm convinced that S-Video is the way to go. Even downscaling with the modern consoles from hdmi to S-Video is better with less motion blur. Now a analog CRT it doesn't matter being that there is no detectable blur from the human eye but S-Video is definitely the way to go for gamers that want to play on digital flatscreens more comfortable with the clearer motion image (less blur) than what hdmi does (more motion blur compared to S-Video).
Can anybody confirm if all S-Video cable products are essentially the same? For example, with SNES, there are tons of cheap and expensive options…. Is the picture output about the same?
I have an S-video cable that my N64 and SNES share, and the one I ordered for my original Xbox is about to arrive. I plan on getting one for my PlayStation/PS2 to share! I have a 4-input S-video switch that all of these can use. I realize that Xbox and PS2 output component, but I only have one component port on my CRT TV, and that's being used by my Wii. S-video is good enough for me. Perhaps I'll get an input switch that goes up to component, but good component cables are pricier than the good S-video cables. I think I'm happy with S-video.
I used to have s-video on all my consoles back in the day. It was very impressive. As I moved to digital, I ended up with the exact same setup you describe here. The switch + the s-video to HDMI box. Honestly, I had no choice as my TV's did not have composite (they had component, but getting a switch for those is nigh impossible) Thing is, I'm not very happy with the results. Its all well and good when everything is static, but get these artifacts when the anything moves. Its like the even and odd scan lines are slightly out of sync (probably because of the interlaced signal). I find that very annoying. I'm now getting a new OLED TV and it does have a composite in. I'm going to try and see if the loss of clarity is preferable to these motion artifacts to my eyes and will report back
Back in the early 2000s or mid 2000s, I remember having this s video to rgb cable . Not sure what I had in the computer at the time but Id plug the svideo into the back of my tower (into the gpu i assume?) and then plugged my ps2 into the rgb. Then I had some sort of "tv program" on my computer that let me play my ps2 inside of windows. For the life of me I cant remember the name of that program but lately ive been thinking hmm, I wonder if that would be a viable alternative to getting a capture card to stream console games.
Thanks so much! I'm looking at building a DIN-5 to S-Video monitor cable for my Atari 800 because along with composite video, its monitor port offers separate luma and chroma outputs. I just noticed that my old A/V to HDMI converter has S-Video input along with the standard composite input so this looks like the way to go. You've given me valuable information.
I remember having an old TV that has S-Video. Even as a kid I was impressed with how amazingly clear the picture was. I used S-Video to connect my set top box to my TV. I'm surprised I didn't try to track down an S-Video cable for my GameCube.
I recently bought a CRT television for 25 bucks it has s video and RGB inputs. I use an upscaler I didn't like it and then I'm trying to project 64 and it just gives me headaches trying to run Paper Mario. Here comes the CRT television to the rescue paper mario never look so good before
shy guy with a sombrero hahah. Nice! The crt in svideo or component looks soo good.. hey if you like this kinda stuff, 3 of my more recent videos where about all the different analog signals and one was about what consoles output what signal, and the 3rd was how i hook up my consoles, if you like increasing your video quality you should check those vids out i think youll enjoy, and if not. Thank you for watching and enjoy your new CRT!
I used to think that RGB Scart or RGB through component was the best way to play retro consoles until I started getting good at fine tuning old crts and lcds (flatscreens) to look the best and compared RGB (fine tuning) to S-Video (fine tuning) and so far S-Video has won every time. I'm not sure if its because S-Video has less saturated colors (and gives more room to fine tune) but I play all my consoles with S-Video if possible now and RGB scart or component second if S-Video is not available on a console. In my opinion S-Video at its best can look better than RGB. I know supposedly S-Video is taking the picture from RGB but S-Video looks better when both images are fine tuned. The colors look better in S-Video and S-Video has a cleaner image in motion. S-Video with a good hi quality gold plated cable gives the same sharpness and brightness as hi quality gold plated scart and gold plated component cables but the difference is the color which might look better at a first glance in RGB with the TV's standard or reset options but when fine tuning for RGB Scart or RGB Component and S-Video. S-Video looks better and even the color looks better and in motion S-Video looks better. Now for the ones who dont have access to S-Video or RGB Scart or RGB Component. Remember if you are using Composite. A hi quality gold plated composite cable will look a lot better than the original cable and the same with RF. I have a hi quality gold plated rf cable that looks better than what the original consoles rf cable does image and sound wise. But to keep it simple Hi Quality Gold Plated cables are the best.
I had some high quality gold played svideo cables that I used to use for my CRTS, a nice thing about svideo is alot of crts had it so it makes it accessible, and the quality jump from composite to svideo is huge. But today people want the best of the best
@@RETROGAMINGARTS I guess what im trying to say was S-Video gives me more room to make adjustments on my TVs then RGB and after the adjustments S-Video looks better IMO then RGB adjusting. Looking at both with the standard settings RGB looks a little more colorful but when I fine tune both the color actually looks better in S-Video and also when looking at both in motion S -Video looks slightly cleaner IMO. The only thing I can say to be in RGBs favor is that I dont have a TV that has a Scart Input so getting RBG im using converters. Where S-Video im going straight into the TV into a S-Video input. Regardless of how expensive upscalers or converters used I have found that less conversion is best for a cleaner image and some LCD Flatscreens have no noticeable lag and put out a better image in S-Video then RGB with conversion upscaler boxes like the Framemeister and RetroTink. I have a Emerson 40" flatscreen w/ a S-Video port that not only produces a better picture using that S-Video port than using S-Video with the Framemister but also produces a better image when comparing to using the Framemeister using RGB Scart. Also there is no noticeable lag when just going straight to the S-Video input from S-Video out from the systems I have tested Saturn, Super Nintendo (1 chip and original) and a modded Sega Genesis. Maybe its the S-Video cord im using but no RGB conversion I have tried has looked better than S-Video with Hi Quality gold plated cable going straight into my Emerson 40" Flatscreen model LCD401EM2F. RGB looks good on it as well but not better than S-video especially after fine tuning them both with the TV (making the RGB conversion look the best) and (making S Video look the best) which S-Video always wins after comparing. This has happened with other TVs I own as well its just that the Emerson beats out all my TV's including my CRT's.
I remember my family big crt protection tv we used composite for so long then we upgraded to S video and well it was night and day image look so much more clean colours were way better sharpness and brightness I was amazed for early 2003
Thank you so much. This was a really early video of mine too, I'm glad you enjoyed it and some of my more recent ones on this topic you will enjoy I bet. Thanks alot
I flipped my lid when I found out my snes mini didn't have s-video, I looked up the mod right away and fixed that problem. I did the Luma/Chroma mod on my atari 2600 jr, now that I see the genesis can be upgraded to s-video I'm going to have to dive into that sometime too! Does your setup have any lag from the digital signal conversion? I have all my retro hooked up to a Panasonic Tau 34" widescreen CRT, it looks beautiful let me tell you.
i'm glad you did those mods, they're essential in my book, and i get no lag from this particular box, i have a YpbPr to hdmi box that gets lag, so i dont use that box, these conversion boxes can be hit or miss, my scart to hdmi box and my s-video box are the best 2 so far, they look just as good as a direct connection (atleast my eyes cant tell the diffrence) but my YpbPr box sucks hard
Not enough love for s-video! Any recommendations on splitter boxes? I have an un-powered 4-in/2-out one that is perfect for my setup, but definitely cuts the image quality a bit and I'd love to fix that issue.
Hi there great video learned alot from this. Did you use the converter when recording? I have bought 2 converters so far to plug in my digital tv but it looks really bad sadly. Will it look good with your converter considering buying it. Thanks in advance have a nice day:)
I just got what I thought is a nice S-video cable for my snes, But I am getting a lot of snowy type artifacts over black screens and certain screens with images happening as well...its clearly sharper and better but the snowy artifacts are really bothering me, anybody have any idea what that is from?
Well it modulates at a very specific frequency that the tv normally has to extract from the composite signal. The intensity of the frequency is how colorful it is and the phasing is what color it is. There is a “color burst” before the line starts going across the CRT that it uses to sync up with the phasing of the color signal. Composite/S-video/RF do not use the YPbPr color space, they use the YIQ color space, which was made because of the limitations of bandwidth, but luckily is very cleverly built around the limitations of the human eye. Y is luma (B/W image), I is how orange or teal something is, Q is how green or how purple something is. I is in phase with the color burst while Q is 90 degrees off. The reason this was done is because it was much harder for vacuum tube TVs to correctly deconstruct the Q signal, so they decided to make the signal colors that our eyes have trouble picking up detail.
Well, maybe this is just stupid nostalgia talking, but to me the composite video, which admittedly is much less sharp, it kind of compliments the old games, kind of makes them seem softer, less harsh and digital. Just an opinion, and doesn't apply to everything.
So a great example is with sonic and anytime you see a waterfall, they designed those waterfalls with composite video in mind, so on composite theyre essentuall transparent like water, but in svideo or rgb they're not
Bro. Do you think its possible to mod some other alternative consoles? For example the FC Twin? Shall I just find the video chip and locate the chroma and luma?
S-video on lower resolution consoles really brings out the jaggies, as well as the color. I think the slight blur from Composite video makes for a smoother image. It's all being played 6 to 10 feet from the TV anyways. Does it matter?
I have another video where I didthat, I think if you check my playlist "comparisons" you'll find it very easy, if not it's called "sega genesis av comparison"
@@RETROGAMINGARTS Thanks will do. Although my needs are a bit different. I need to know if its worth getting an S-Video cable as I might be helping a friend out to convert VHS tapes into digital and hopefully they have a VCR that supports S-Video.
Does s-video brighten the picture any? I have a Panasonic crt with s-video and thats what I've been playing my SNES on. Problem is I only have the av cable at the moment and it looks a little dark even tho I have the brightness all the way up.
musicmanfl23 it does brighten it, aswell as makes it look more sharp, i dont play my snes in svideo, but for all the consoles i do use svideo on, its a no brainer on how much better they look. I did a comparison video of composite to svideo for the genesis, it looks real good
I was so intrigued to see what the comparison and then you used a modded console. :-/ I wish more retro gamer channels would show things in original form some the majority of us without mods or special hooks ups could see what’s up. Seems there’s always a twist in the end. Almost every channel!!! Why couldn’t you just use a Super Nintendo or Dreamcast? One that already has svideo hooked up to a regular CRT? Am I missing something?
www.amazon.com/Tendak-Composite-S-Video-Converter-Upscaler/dp/B00V2ULHBS/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_23_bs_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=E50M9AVM4AZZZYSBF2WH this is the exact one i use, highly recomend it
Buster, thank you for watching the stream for the past 2 days, i kinda got hooked on RE, now i want to beat it, check my other reply to your other comment on youtube
So...... They make a s-video / Composite to component box now. My NES is Connected to my VCR. Now my VCR is connected to my tv via Composite (NES) and S-VIDEO (VCR) I'm very interested to what happens when I use this converter box via component to my sony trinitron CRT TV? 🤔 I wonder if there will be if ANY improvements or if it will even work.
Yes, yes, yes S-video is more better, but the consumers TV in the 80 and 90 is fortune have a scart. And not! PS2 is compatible with component and composite video trust me.
RETRO GAMING ARTS I don’t think Nintendo ever made an official s-Video cable for the Wii (component video was finally starting to take hold), but third-party options do exist-I have one.
Do you use S-Video? if not, what do you use?
RETRO GAMING ARTS u got some cool stuff
thanks, i have alot of pre-modded consoles, and i mean alot. i want to get them in the hands of gamers so they can enjoy better video quality
I'm using RGB where applicable, the only thing I'm in the process of modding is an N64 because it's more convenient for my CRT TV than s-video is. also because I hate the anti-aliasing on that thing.
My NES is still using composite video with a home-made scart cable that sends the audio to both the left and right channels.
It's 50hz (PAL) here, so I think if we can't have decent performing retro games, we ought to at least have a good image quality.
Fortunately I was able to get my setup pretty much completed before I had kids and had a little disposable income. I went with a scart setup and did some mods on my SNES mini and n64. I've got a few systems running on Svideo. I can't tell a huge difference between svideo and rgb. The difference between composite and svideo and rgb is huge. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to more videos!
RETRO GAMING ARTS I just switched from A/V to S-Video, major improvement on my cable box and game system.
What is Kylo Ren doing talking about old video games!
Thank you for actually taking the time to explain all of this. I am pretty new to the concept of improving vintage gaming experiences and I was having a hell of a time finding good info on this subject!
Look up a RUclips channel called my life in gaming and RetroRGB. You will find everything you need on those channels.
WHAT!? all this time(10 years or so...) I was thinking that S-Video was Super video o.O
Hahahaha, it is super! Glad my channel told you something new, thank you very much for checking out some of my older videos. It really means alot
i know this is 5 years old, but i dont blame you for thinking that. It was developed alongside super-vhs developed by JVC in the late 1980's for high end consumer tv's. VHS remained king, and then DVD took over so it became quickly obsolete.
Loved this video man. Even though this is old, I watch this video just for reference.
I use s-video on my CRT on all native consoles. I found that game cube Mario sunshine shows great differences mainly in the red/blue colors from Mario.
gabrielmassa nice!! Svideo on a crt is amazing. I use it on my trinitron for ps1 and ps2. I love it, my resident evil live streams are in svideo aswell
S Video is basically hi def on a CRT. I used to play Madden at home on an HDTV and when i went to my friends house, he only had the trinitrons. It was frustrating because you couldn't see when your receiver would make a break on his route on the CRT, but with S Video you could! It quite literally was almost indistinguishable from my HDTV at the time. If you're looking for retro tvs nowadays make sure you get one with S Video!
I actually still have and use a 1990 zenith CRT that we have had since back then. It actually has an S-video input (the tv menu calls it "Y/C". I wish i knew back in the day that you could hook a super nintndo up do that when you have the right cable and get a better image. Its a shame that port got wasted all those early years but I used it in 2002 to play DVDs through the s-video port
S-Video is the ultimate sweet-spot between quality and price. For pre-HD generations of consoles, it's definitely good enough. Component or RGB will give you that extra bit of oomph but usually at a much higher cost. The one exception I make is enjoying Dreamcast on a CRT monitor with VGA for 480p, but that's a treat and I only do it because of 480p.
Remember when DVD players had a thing called progressive scan and you could watch a DVD in 480p instead of 480i I remember that being ground breaking
Holy crap. What have i been missing all these years.... how can i make this happen with my super nintendo
all you need is s-video cables and a way to plug them in, HOWEVER, there's many more options for you... i did a few more videos explaining them all "video signals explained" and "all consoles and their outputs" i should make a playlist about video quality and put them all in there
RETRO GAMING ARTS great thanks for the tip. I did some research and looks like ive got a little project to work on.
9 years ago I was playing Xbox 360 on a Panasonic Flat TV Plasma. I used the normal AV cables since Xbox 360 didn't have HDMI.
One day I opened the Xbox box to get the manual after having the Rings of death and found the component cables and wondered what is it for. So I took them and checked the TV and I was shocked the they match the colors so i plugged right away. Also I remember it having a small switch between HD and normal.
I couldn't believe my eyes how beautiful it was. Unbelievable difference.
Even though I didn't know how they work or what they are called it just happened.
9 years later I just learned about them know and its a blessing to live through all the technological advancement and see how big the gap since then.
4K gaming is the norm today with 60 fps. So yeah big jump
I’d kill for 4K 60fps
great video!
im in school right now to get A+ certified in software/hardware/security.
i never had the time to look up ports and their functions/history.
Since i am on chapter 1 in hardware, this is an excellent start.
+HeDtraX im so happy you enjoyed, im going to try to do the same for every video quality, and explain alot of different tech in future videos
You can learn that in 3 hours on RUclips drop out
You would think S-Video could have been even more advanced with a true RGB connection too… Such a shame. Especially since we never officially got Scart in North America.
i just recently got my PS2 Gamecube/N64 and OG XBOX A/V cables with S-Video but just only using tha S-Video portion to my capture while my composite goes to my CRT and wow what a difference it makes
I just got a trinitron for my game room. My Saturn is hooked up through s video on it, all other stuff is composite. Would the snes and n64 be that much sharper on a CRT too?
Yes. The SNES and N64 both output 240p, which a lot of modern HDTVs treat as 480i and mess up. I'd definitely say if you already have a CRT it's definitely worth it to play both those systems on it.
(Note that the N64 actually does some antialiasing on the hardware itself, so even over s-video on a CRT you might not get the same kind of "sharpness" out of the system as you can out of, say, the SNES, but you'll still get better colors and less noise out of s video. plus, the cables are cheap)
I recommend a video by Techquickie where it has a segment where it explains why CRT TV's are superior to LCD screens in some respects.
ruclips.net/video/bW7NjQLpHx0/видео.html
@@ShamoaKrasieski-xm4ze But do brand name s-video SNES/N64/GCN cables exist? I mean, you have to get the ones with a very specific Nintendo connector, and I doubt there is a big enough market for a known manufacture to produce those cables. Amazon just has a bunch of random brands. Some seem fairly well reviewed, but I wouldn't assume there's anything high quality about them... hmm... idk.
Use S-Video on my PSOne with component on my PS2 on my Panasonic Tau flat panel CRT. It’s a 29 inch. I love my setup.
it turned my ps2 into a gamecube
For PS2 the best option a component cable
@@ViniciusOliveira-ny4yt why is that?
@@walterwhite1 much better quality and colors
@@obungass how?
@@walterwhite1 science shit
I did some more tests with S-Video compared to hdmi on digital tvs and I don't know what it is about S-Video but it gives less motion blur when compared to hdmi. I'm convinced that gaming on a digital TV from Atari 2600 to Playstation 5 is better with a digital TV with a good S-Video port because it gives less motion blur and it looks good being still too. I'm convinced that S-Video is the way to go. Even downscaling with the modern consoles from hdmi to S-Video is better with less motion blur. Now a analog CRT it doesn't matter being that there is no detectable blur from the human eye but S-Video is definitely the way to go for gamers that want to play on digital flatscreens more comfortable with the clearer motion image (less blur) than what hdmi does (more motion blur compared to S-Video).
How did you convert HDMI to s video?
Can anybody confirm if all S-Video cable products are essentially the same? For example, with SNES, there are tons of cheap and expensive options…. Is the picture output about the same?
I have an S-video cable that my N64 and SNES share, and the one I ordered for my original Xbox is about to arrive. I plan on getting one for my PlayStation/PS2 to share! I have a 4-input S-video switch that all of these can use.
I realize that Xbox and PS2 output component, but I only have one component port on my CRT TV, and that's being used by my Wii. S-video is good enough for me. Perhaps I'll get an input switch that goes up to component, but good component cables are pricier than the good S-video cables. I think I'm happy with S-video.
I used to have s-video on all my consoles back in the day. It was very impressive.
As I moved to digital, I ended up with the exact same setup you describe here. The switch + the s-video to HDMI box. Honestly, I had no choice as my TV's did not have composite (they had component, but getting a switch for those is nigh impossible)
Thing is, I'm not very happy with the results. Its all well and good when everything is static, but get these artifacts when the anything moves. Its like the even and odd scan lines are slightly out of sync (probably because of the interlaced signal). I find that very annoying.
I'm now getting a new OLED TV and it does have a composite in. I'm going to try and see if the loss of clarity is preferable to these motion artifacts to my eyes and will report back
I know it's been a while but it would be great to have your thoughts now that you've tried them out!
Back in the early 2000s or mid 2000s, I remember having this s video to rgb cable . Not sure what I had in the computer at the time but Id plug the svideo into the back of my tower (into the gpu i assume?) and then plugged my ps2 into the rgb. Then I had some sort of "tv program" on my computer that let me play my ps2 inside of windows. For the life of me I cant remember the name of that program but lately ive been thinking hmm, I wonder if that would be a viable alternative to getting a capture card to stream console games.
I still use S-Video with my video game systems. I even record on S-Video, myself with my trusty DVD Recorder.
Thanks so much! I'm looking at building a DIN-5 to S-Video monitor cable for my Atari 800 because along with composite video, its monitor port offers separate luma and chroma outputs. I just noticed that my old A/V to HDMI converter has S-Video input along with the standard composite input so this looks like the way to go.
You've given me valuable information.
Thanks
My streaming box only supports composite and HDMI
But HDMI to component is expensive so s-video is like a halfway upgrade
Thanks, very clear and informative.
S-Video was mind blowing back in the day
still is in my opinion!
Still looks amazing, it's like the HD of CRT, such a crispy signal.
component looks amazing, but yeah composite to s video is probs the biggest jump in quality
Don’t forget Sega Saturn did have S-Video imo i use it a lot than the coloured ones
Saturn svideo was great!
Virgin composite video vs chad s-video vs thad component video
What is the reason behind adding S-Video to Sega Genesis when it's already have DIN 8 pin?
**=** Cool, and HDMI, DisplayPort?
I'm definitely late to the game here but how would someone use S-video for the old school NES?
I remember having an old TV that has S-Video. Even as a kid I was impressed with how amazingly clear the picture was. I used S-Video to connect my set top box to my TV. I'm surprised I didn't try to track down an S-Video cable for my GameCube.
I recently bought a CRT television for 25 bucks it has s video and RGB inputs. I use an upscaler I didn't like it and then I'm trying to project 64 and it just gives me headaches trying to run Paper Mario. Here comes the CRT television to the rescue paper mario never look so good before
shy guy with a sombrero hahah. Nice! The crt in svideo or component looks soo good.. hey if you like this kinda stuff, 3 of my more recent videos where about all the different analog signals and one was about what consoles output what signal, and the 3rd was how i hook up my consoles, if you like increasing your video quality you should check those vids out i think youll enjoy, and if not. Thank you for watching and enjoy your new CRT!
Nice persona 3 music
I used to think that RGB Scart or RGB through component was the best way to play retro consoles until I started getting good at fine tuning old crts and lcds (flatscreens) to look the best and compared RGB (fine tuning) to S-Video (fine tuning) and so far S-Video has won every time. I'm not sure if its because S-Video has less saturated colors (and gives more room to fine tune) but I play all my consoles with S-Video if possible now and RGB scart or component second if S-Video is not available on a console. In my opinion S-Video at its best can look better than RGB. I know supposedly S-Video is taking the picture from RGB but S-Video looks better when both images are fine tuned. The colors look better in S-Video and S-Video has a cleaner image in motion.
S-Video with a good hi quality gold plated cable gives the same sharpness and brightness as hi quality gold plated scart and gold plated component cables but the difference is the color which might look better at a first glance in RGB with the TV's standard or reset options but when fine tuning for RGB Scart or RGB Component and S-Video. S-Video looks better and even the color looks better and in motion S-Video looks better.
Now for the ones who dont have access to S-Video or RGB Scart or RGB Component.
Remember if you are using Composite. A hi quality gold plated composite cable will look a lot better than the original cable and the same with RF.
I have a hi quality gold plated rf cable that looks better than what the original consoles rf cable does image and sound wise.
But to keep it simple Hi Quality Gold Plated cables are the best.
I had some high quality gold played svideo cables that I used to use for my CRTS, a nice thing about svideo is alot of crts had it so it makes it accessible, and the quality jump from composite to svideo is huge. But today people want the best of the best
@@RETROGAMINGARTS I guess what im trying to say was S-Video gives me more room to make adjustments on my TVs then RGB and after the adjustments S-Video looks better IMO then RGB adjusting. Looking at both with the standard settings RGB looks a little more colorful but when I fine tune both the color actually looks better in S-Video and also when looking at both in motion S -Video looks slightly cleaner IMO. The only thing I can say to be in RGBs favor is that I dont have a TV that has a Scart Input so getting RBG im using converters. Where S-Video im going straight into the TV into a S-Video input. Regardless of how expensive upscalers or converters used I have found that less conversion is best for a cleaner image and some LCD Flatscreens have no noticeable lag and put out a better image in S-Video then RGB with conversion upscaler boxes like the Framemeister and RetroTink. I have a Emerson 40" flatscreen w/ a S-Video port that not only produces a better picture using that S-Video port than using S-Video with the Framemister but also produces a better image when comparing to using the Framemeister using RGB Scart. Also there is no noticeable lag when just going straight to the S-Video input from S-Video out from the systems I have tested Saturn, Super Nintendo (1 chip and original) and a modded Sega Genesis. Maybe its the S-Video cord im using but no RGB conversion I have tried has looked better than S-Video with Hi Quality gold plated cable going straight into my Emerson 40" Flatscreen model LCD401EM2F. RGB looks good on it as well but not better than S-video especially after fine tuning them both with the TV (making the RGB conversion look the best) and (making S Video look the best) which S-Video always wins after comparing. This has happened with other TVs I own as well its just that the Emerson beats out all my TV's including my CRT's.
Oh, I didn't know Kylo Ren became a youtuber!
Never seen any star wars movies ever. But thank you! Lol
I use Akura box for Dreamcast and svideo on all my retro games on my crt. Svideo is awesome
I love s video. Great rundown.
I remember my family big crt protection tv we used composite for so long then we upgraded to S video and well it was night and day image look so much more clean colours were way better sharpness and brightness I was amazed for early 2003
Wow! I think I like how composite looks more
Very helpful, thank you! Time to invest in an s video cable for my N64
Great video! It was very informative. You've earned yourself another subscriber.
Thank you so much. This was a really early video of mine too, I'm glad you enjoyed it and some of my more recent ones on this topic you will enjoy I bet. Thanks alot
4:26 Sega Genesis isn't compatible with S video without mods.
can you add an adapter (composite to s video) to the back of a VCR that doesn't have the s-video built-in and still get the upgraded picture quality?
My TV has S video. I use component right now for my ps2.
I flipped my lid when I found out my snes mini didn't have s-video, I looked up the mod right away and fixed that problem. I did the Luma/Chroma mod on my atari 2600 jr, now that I see the genesis can be upgraded to s-video I'm going to have to dive into that sometime too!
Does your setup have any lag from the digital signal conversion?
I have all my retro hooked up to a Panasonic Tau 34" widescreen CRT, it looks beautiful let me tell you.
i'm glad you did those mods, they're essential in my book, and i get no lag from this particular box, i have a YpbPr to hdmi box that gets lag, so i dont use that box, these conversion boxes can be hit or miss, my scart to hdmi box and my s-video box are the best 2 so far, they look just as good as a direct connection (atleast my eyes cant tell the diffrence) but my YpbPr box sucks hard
John Bowden, I have the same TV as you!
Not enough love for s-video! Any recommendations on splitter boxes? I have an un-powered 4-in/2-out one that is perfect for my setup, but definitely cuts the image quality a bit and I'd love to fix that issue.
Subscribed 🙏🏼☯️🐲
I'm using S-video now Thank you!
great video, very well-explained!
How does it affect today's Tv verses the crt
*looks in the corner* why is that not the SEGA CD version of Lunar?!
LMAO
Haha
Hi there great video learned alot from this.
Did you use the converter when recording? I have bought 2 converters so far to plug in my digital tv but it looks really bad sadly. Will it look good with your converter considering buying it.
Thanks in advance have a nice day:)
Ty, this video was perfect for all my sVideo questions
Good im glad
I just got what I thought is a nice S-video cable for my snes, But I am getting a lot of snowy type artifacts over black screens and certain screens with images happening as well...its clearly sharper and better but the snowy artifacts are really bothering me, anybody have any idea what that is from?
Composite < S-Video < Component < VGA < DVI < HDMI < DisplayPort
Is there a good explanation of how the chrominance signal is modulated? Is the amplitude saturation and frequency hue, or is it something different?
Well it modulates at a very specific frequency that the tv normally has to extract from the composite signal. The intensity of the frequency is how colorful it is and the phasing is what color it is. There is a “color burst” before the line starts going across the CRT that it uses to sync up with the phasing of the color signal.
Composite/S-video/RF do not use the YPbPr color space, they use the YIQ color space, which was made because of the limitations of bandwidth, but luckily is very cleverly built around the limitations of the human eye. Y is luma (B/W image), I is how orange or teal something is, Q is how green or how purple something is. I is in phase with the color burst while Q is 90 degrees off. The reason this was done is because it was much harder for vacuum tube TVs to correctly deconstruct the Q signal, so they decided to make the signal colors that our eyes have trouble picking up detail.
Holy shit it's Adam driver
Couldn't explain it any better!
Greetings from Germany!
Well, maybe this is just stupid nostalgia talking, but to me the composite video, which admittedly is much less sharp, it kind of compliments the old games, kind of makes them seem softer, less harsh and digital. Just an opinion, and doesn't apply to everything.
So a great example is with sonic and anytime you see a waterfall, they designed those waterfalls with composite video in mind, so on composite theyre essentuall transparent like water, but in svideo or rgb they're not
Great explanation, thanks!
Thank you!
Please with the s video to hdmi converter, can I use it for livestream?
Thankyou this video really helped me understand the difference.
is the s video have audio out put ? yes or no
So you hook up the yellow red and white, plus the s-video at the same time?
svideo + red + white, if your doing svideo you dont need the yellow anymore
Does using yellow i interfere while using s video?
Dont plug the yellow in
Bro. Do you think its possible to mod some other alternative consoles? For example the FC Twin? Shall I just find the video chip and locate the chroma and luma?
anything and everything is possible
You don’t show the Saturn off in this ?’!?!?! What!!!!
thanks for the help man! I appreciate it.
Your welcome man, thanks for watching
Hey man great vid. Question if I use a basic nonshielded svideo cable will a shielded cable look better or not much interferrence?
Shielded cable will have much less interferences which will give you a much better picture
@@RETROGAMINGARTS awesome man thanks for the quick reply!
Qual melhor conversor para jogar nintendo 64 em s-video?
Please reply back now but if u have an av switch and inputs are composite and u output it through s video can it convert it from composite to svideo
Nope
Very well explained.
Great video wished u covered the s video 7pin version too
Nice video man loved it
thanks yo, thank you for checking out my super old videos too
I will make sure to check out your new ones
S-video on lower resolution consoles really brings out the jaggies, as well as the color. I think the slight blur from Composite video makes for a smoother image. It's all being played 6 to 10 feet from the TV anyways. Does it matter?
Depending on a person's setup, and funds, everyone's different. I dont use svideo anymore. My CRT is in my closet🤫
What if you only used s video and no yellow white red?
No sound.
Thanks brother
Thank you for watching😀
S-Video always meant Super video, this is the first time I'm ever hearing it called seperated video.
Super video doesnt make any sense anyway.
@@Massobliteration It made more sense in the 80s haha
@@blairlohnes8103 I suppose they called it like that because it was a huge step up from composite and rf.
What's up Kylo Ren?
I had a CRT that used S Video, but it was thrown out when we moved, (thanks dad...)
you can invest on a frememesiter (i don't even know the name of that thing, but it's a scaller)
Or invest in the OSSC much more available
Maybe you should add a video showing the difference between S-Video and Composite, that little clip on the end didn't really do it for me.
I have another video where I didthat, I think if you check my playlist "comparisons" you'll find it very easy, if not it's called "sega genesis av comparison"
Thank you for watching some of my older stuff by the way, much better newer videos too
@@RETROGAMINGARTS Thanks will do. Although my needs are a bit different. I need to know if its worth getting an S-Video cable as I might be helping a friend out to convert VHS tapes into digital and hopefully they have a VCR that supports S-Video.
cool boy
5:46 What track is that? Very beautiful! Great comparison btw!
I donno let me listen that was an old video
I think it's from Persona 4 but not 100% sure
The Velvet Room from Persona 4
what's the input lag increase like through the converter? I'm thinking of connecting my pc to a crt
Doesnt matter. use VGA for that
@@vhsorion I don't think you have to be old or experienced to know that televisions don't come with pc cabling standards like vga or display port
Does s-video brighten the picture any? I have a Panasonic crt with s-video and thats what I've been playing my SNES on. Problem is I only have the av cable at the moment and it looks a little dark even tho I have the brightness all the way up.
musicmanfl23 it does brighten it, aswell as makes it look more sharp, i dont play my snes in svideo, but for all the consoles i do use svideo on, its a no brainer on how much better they look. I did a comparison video of composite to svideo for the genesis, it looks real good
RETRO GAMING ARTS it really does! I want a modded Genesis now.
musicmanfl23 lol, did you know i have them for sale on my website, already got a Genesis? Send it to me and ill mod it for you
RETRO GAMING ARTS I just checked it out. Pretty sweet man.
Ty for video
SVID FTW! So much better. Just harder to plug in B - )
Thanks again
Adam Driver vibes
I've herd that before, the bootleg Keanu reeves guy right
I was so intrigued to see what the comparison and then you used a modded console. :-/ I wish more retro gamer channels would show things in original form some the majority of us without mods or special hooks ups could see what’s up. Seems there’s always a twist in the end. Almost every channel!!! Why couldn’t you just use a Super Nintendo or Dreamcast? One that already has svideo hooked up to a regular CRT? Am I missing something?
Do you know where i can get a composite to hdmi box?
www.amazon.com/Tendak-Composite-S-Video-Converter-Upscaler/dp/B00V2ULHBS/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_23_bs_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=E50M9AVM4AZZZYSBF2WH
this is the exact one i use, highly recomend it
Buster, thank you for watching the stream for the past 2 days, i kinda got hooked on RE, now i want to beat it, check my other reply to your other comment on youtube
RETRO GAMING ARTS your welcome. I enjoy watching someone play for the first time and helping them as well. When will you be streaming again?
i'm asking aldo if he wants to see if we can beat the game tonight, hes gunna let me know, so maybe soon. the wii softmod link?
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So...... They make a s-video / Composite to component box now.
My NES is Connected to my VCR.
Now my VCR is connected to my tv via Composite (NES) and S-VIDEO (VCR)
I'm very interested to what happens when I use this converter box via component to my sony trinitron CRT TV? 🤔 I wonder if there will be if ANY improvements or if it will even work.
"Any" isn't an acronym
2:26 its pronounced Trin-eh-Tron, not "trin-tron"
Super
When i was a kid i beat san Andreas on the PS2 with composite converted to coax. Looking back on it as an adult using component is SO different
Dude right. RIGHT! its almost like breathing new life into them. Making them fresh again
Yes, yes, yes S-video is more better, but the consumers TV in the 80 and 90 is fortune have a scart. And not! PS2 is compatible with component and composite video trust me.
Wii and Wii U actually support S-Video.
really? I kinda stay away from the wii/wii-u and didnt know that lol
RETRO GAMING ARTS I don’t think Nintendo ever made an official s-Video cable for the Wii (component video was finally starting to take hold), but third-party options do exist-I have one.
there was an official Wii/Wii U S-Video cable but only sold in Japan
Mind blowm
Thanx for a great review