Honestly, I would like to see an in-depth comparison of non-premium Ayaka comps (Kazuha-Furina-Charlotte vs Kazuha-Mona-Layla/Diona), because there's a lot of nuance and I'm still not sure which is better.
Layla and diona is just a downgrade compared to another cryo dps as can rely on freeze to not get hit. If you are still afraid in surviving with no healer with ttds mona, you can put prototype amber on her. R5 can lower her ER requirements from about 250 to 200% and the small healing together with freeze can even survive through rifthounds. If you have to use mona against bosses, RIP as you either require sustain characters to not die so lose dps or dodge and I frame like crazy. Mona omen bubble does not pop on bosses for some reason (maybe because they infinite poise or cant be staggered or something) so her dmg buff actually has the highest uptime against bosses but her hydro application can still make a few hits from cryo dps not have the blizzard strayer 4pc effect against bosses. Mona E skill only generates particles after the taunt explodes so if the enemy dies or moves away at that time, mona might lose her hydro particles. Can just get even higher ER and fav weapons to not rely on mona E for energy which means no need to use E against bosses or small fries that will die quickly. I used to play ayaka ganyu mona kazuha which has similar AOE dps as international but I always grieve when going against bosses so they got benched. Mona Q also has a very large AOE range around her which synergize with ganyu large AOE range burst. Anyway, I think that furina teams (I havent played the team yet) are better than mona teams because the former at least has healing for sustain even if your team might be at half health at next rotation before charlotte burst or just have a clear cut better dps if you pair a shielder/healer with mona. Furina has random single target while mona has consistent AOE (buff). Conclusion, furina teams are generally better than mona imo because of bosses.
I personally run the first, they’re pretty good. Its a pretty fresh team for me but Charlotte is a little underbuilt. shes a good battery with along with r5 favonius codex.
Furina/Charlotte can actually be better than the premium team in some situations if you have the energy for them and you don't have vertical investment on ayaka/shenhe
Just found your channel and I love this kind of videos! When you're high AR and can clear all the content it's hard to find useful tips or advice. I'm currently working on maximizing my damage even by small margins so these are great tips. I hope you keep making these for a lot of characters! I would be interested in knowing your tips for Xiao now that we have Xanyun, and also for Tighnari and on-field Kokomi in dendro teams.
Thank you! I was worried it would be rotation tips that require Shenhe or Furina (neither of which I plan to get) but there was lots of good info here for general Ayaka use.
There's something wrong with my ayaka. She used to deal about 10k on her charge attacks per hit, her skill deals 32k. But now her charge attack is dealing 7k per hit and skill dealing 24k. I didn't change anything from weapons, artifact, party/team.
Biggest tip to use Ayaka on ST un freezable enemies, Go MH with Furina. 36 crit rate is a lot better than just 20 from blizzard (and 15 cryo but still)
Yes absolutely! She is good and I'd say her weapon is overrated, especially at low Constellation accounts. Favonius is giving you high base ATK and some much much needed energy for both Ayaka and Shenhe.
Been running Ayaka/Ganyu/Kazuha/Mona for a while and I've gotten quite comfortable with the team. I'd recently gotten frustrated with Mona's subpar hydro application, but experience teaches you ways to maximize her hydro uptime. Certainly one of the more challenging teams I play, and a personal favorite of mine. To those with Ayaka and looking for a use for your Ganyu that's been collecting dust, try her out as an off-field burst dps for your Ayaka. Running healer-less seems daunting at first, and the team certainly does have notable quirks that can make optimizing runs a headache, but it performs well and feels very rewarding to play. Another route to take for non Shenhe or Kokomi havers. NOTE: *I am NOT recommending pulling Ganyu just to use this team. This is just another Ayaka variation that utilizes Ganyu's burst capabilities.*
Yeah, finding a good place to play ayaka is getting harder and harder. In overworld she just feels bad, since you need to recharge her burst after using it; in abyss there are bosses/annoying enemies(pyro lectors currently) both sides so she doesn’t feel as effective; in events needing to use burst for every new wave of enemies means it’s really slow compared to even xiao since he can jump to different locations to keep doing damage. It’s kind of sad, hopefully they’ll add some good chambers for ayaka in abyss soon(I don’t think the leaked future ones are good for her though, unfortunately).
Do i need shenhe or is furina team close enough in damage i have well built charolette with TDS ? Still what is the dps loss without shenhe compared to furina team ? Edit : using r5 finale for the deep
i'm afraid dps loss is quite high, for furina you get 200 stacks on average which is 50% bonus and TTDS. With shenhe + kokomi you get: 15% shred, 20% Q dmg, nobless, tenacity, and 10 stacks of icy quills which is almost 50% more dmg for ayaka burst, plus she brings more energy than charlotte. Edit: furina's personal damage is not bad but it's kinda incompatible with the frontload playstyle of ayaka and enemies escape freeze too often
@@karrot6941you’re underestimating furina damage, the team is quite close in single target due to it, and shenhe loses value in aoe too, but I think it’s a bit better than furina in aoe.
I just pulled Ayaka, I'm only have Mona, Sucrose C4, Diona, and Rosaria C2 right now. Who should I pick for my Ayaka's team? Any recommendation? Thank you
With your characters, a good starting point is Ayaka/Mona/Sucrose/Diona. Standard Ayaka freeze team is Ayaka, one other Cryo for battery, one Hydro to trigger Freeze, and one Anemo for grouping. Mona and Sucrose can fill their respective element’s slots. As for the other Cryo, Diona is usually preferred since she rounds out the team with her shield and healing. If you want to take a more offensive approach, go for Rosaria and use Prototype Amber on Mona.
you dont use venti cause he brake freeze with the ulti you could use what ever ayaka melt even .....cause yall have the obsession of oh ayaka its only the ulti nope its not
If you are able to get Finale's effect consistently and you have no problem with Energy than it is better, even at R1. For easier gameplay/rotations stick to Amenoma.
my problem is related to teams my ayaka is weak cos I lost the 50/50 on kazuha and I lost it on ayaka so I couldnt get shenhe or kazuha and I only have kok to play with her and I am using the amanuma on ayaka and using rozaria sucrose and kok but I heard that mona diona sucrose is better is that right? I want to leave the account because 1 I lost all of my 50/50 on my favorite characters (I got hu tao and raiden on their next rerun) 2 the lac of 5* I don't even have 2 completed teams 3 ayaka my friend told me ayaka is good believe me and for my I feel like I I have save my garnte for yelan or a better character that would have been way better cos my ayaka does no dmg without shenhe or kazuha and because loging in that account makes feel like I have 1.5 limited 5stars cos my ayaka does no dmg and cos I have mona and everyone is saying I you don't have shnhe the diona mona will be better that rozaria kok so she is useless and hu tao is also useless because I have no sups for her so what do you say about all of this should I just give up on this account it has (hu tao raiden ayaka and kok only but way better artifacts than the other one) pity 70 character banner and like 20 weapon banner and play on my 2nd one it has (childe kazuha alhaitham yelan and furina and a garnte) they are at the same ar for stander 5stars the first one has c1 diluc c1 mona a qiqi a jean two useless weapons and the other one got the 5* pyscal weapon a qiqi c1 diluc a jean and a useless weapon
I would keep playing your account to be honest, unless you have another on the ready. Starting over is not going to give up any benefit anyway. You can always just save primogems via events and exploration and wish for Kazuha again or whoever you want. But to be honest Rosaria and Sucrose with Kokomi is a decent team. You could play Mona instead of Kokomi and give her Prot Amber if you still need healing, TTDS could then go to Sucrose. Regardless focus on your builds and especially on Ayaka's and you can get by!! If you need more specific help join our discord or ask here, I will reply!
@@mickysaif I disagree, you just need the right build, Sacrificial sword and clam set it's awesome on her, with ER/ATK/ATK or healing bonuses she will burst every rotation, and because she heals so much the clam bubble it's gonna do some good sub DPS damage. She can battery some, maybe not solve Ayaka energy problems but help.
So the secret is: have Kazuha, Have Shenhe and have Furina. So have 260-520 pulls, and 2 years of your life to pull their reruns. Also Ayaka's weapon (70-210 pulls). Cool
Ayaka mains staring as i use off field ayaka burst support for my ganyu freeze team
I was genuinely thinking about doing that for my Childe.
should be the other way around bruh
No@@mickysaif
I use Ganyu's burst as support to my main dps Ayaka (+20% Cryo Dmg)
Ganyu 4 pc Noblesse + Elegy 😎👍
what support is she even doing other than finishing off the enemies before ganyu could even land a charged atk 😭
Honestly, I would like to see an in-depth comparison of non-premium Ayaka comps (Kazuha-Furina-Charlotte vs Kazuha-Mona-Layla/Diona), because there's a lot of nuance and I'm still not sure which is better.
Layla and diona is just a downgrade compared to another cryo dps as can rely on freeze to not get hit. If you are still afraid in surviving with no healer with ttds mona, you can put prototype amber on her. R5 can lower her ER requirements from about 250 to 200% and the small healing together with freeze can even survive through rifthounds. If you have to use mona against bosses, RIP as you either require sustain characters to not die so lose dps or dodge and I frame like crazy. Mona omen bubble does not pop on bosses for some reason (maybe because they infinite poise or cant be staggered or something) so her dmg buff actually has the highest uptime against bosses but her hydro application can still make a few hits from cryo dps not have the blizzard strayer 4pc effect against bosses. Mona E skill only generates particles after the taunt explodes so if the enemy dies or moves away at that time, mona might lose her hydro particles. Can just get even higher ER and fav weapons to not rely on mona E for energy which means no need to use E against bosses or small fries that will die quickly. I used to play ayaka ganyu mona kazuha which has similar AOE dps as international but I always grieve when going against bosses so they got benched. Mona Q also has a very large AOE range around her which synergize with ganyu large AOE range burst. Anyway, I think that furina teams (I havent played the team yet) are better than mona teams because the former at least has healing for sustain even if your team might be at half health at next rotation before charlotte burst or just have a clear cut better dps if you pair a shielder/healer with mona. Furina has random single target while mona has consistent AOE (buff). Conclusion, furina teams are generally better than mona imo because of bosses.
I personally run the first, they’re pretty good. Its a pretty fresh team for me but Charlotte is a little underbuilt. shes a good battery with along with r5 favonius codex.
Furina/Charlotte can actually be better than the premium team in some situations if you have the energy for them and you don't have vertical investment on ayaka/shenhe
After i watched the video till the outro, i got jumpscared of the name of the segment 💀
Just found your channel and I love this kind of videos! When you're high AR and can clear all the content it's hard to find useful tips or advice. I'm currently working on maximizing my damage even by small margins so these are great tips. I hope you keep making these for a lot of characters! I would be interested in knowing your tips for Xiao now that we have Xanyun, and also for Tighnari and on-field Kokomi in dendro teams.
Thanks a lot! Hope to be able to make a Xiao video for his re-run~
Ty mr. Seven for this tips! See you on streaming
Thanks for the tips!
I always mess my burst up while sprinting to get her a4
Happy to help!
Thank you! I was worried it would be rotation tips that require Shenhe or Furina (neither of which I plan to get) but there was lots of good info here for general Ayaka use.
There's something wrong with my ayaka. She used to deal about 10k on her charge attacks per hit, her skill deals 32k.
But now her charge attack is dealing 7k per hit and skill dealing 24k.
I didn't change anything from weapons, artifact, party/team.
This happens when you level up your world, encounter stronger mobs with higher Defence and resistances.
then maybe it's about the enemy's resistance ?
Could also be that you took ttds from your hydro sup and haven't noticed
Biggest tip to use Ayaka on ST un freezable enemies,
Go MH with Furina. 36 crit rate is a lot better than just 20 from blizzard (and 15 cryo but still)
Nice video!
Wondering if Amenoma would still be the f2p go to for Ayaka-Kazuha-Furina-Charlotte because of Charlotte's very high ER requirements
True I would like to know that as well because Charlotte needs high ER!
Great tips, thank you! Happy holidays! 🎄🎄🎄
I really need to learn how to play Ayaka properly laff
Very good content ❤. Is shenhe good without cons and her weapon?
Yes absolutely! She is good and I'd say her weapon is overrated, especially at low Constellation accounts. Favonius is giving you high base ATK and some much much needed energy for both Ayaka and Shenhe.
Thanks, i'll try to get her 😊@@SevenPls
I'm tempted to work on my Ayaka again
Jesus, no. That domain still gives me nightmares.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Can you make a 7 advanced tips for Raiden when her rerun comes out?
Yes I will try to cover her!
Excellent content, subbed.
Much appreciated!
Fresh thought: with Kazuha, give Ayaka Attack Goblet. Hmm
Thank you! Hmmm I’ve never liked her. Maybe I will tinker with her build and teams.
Added a comment cause your guide is plenty helpful!
Glad it helped!
How come Venti was not mentioned? Would he be good for grouping and also the energy return he gives?
Been running Ayaka/Ganyu/Kazuha/Mona for a while and I've gotten quite comfortable with the team. I'd recently gotten frustrated with Mona's subpar hydro application, but experience teaches you ways to maximize her hydro uptime. Certainly one of the more challenging teams I play, and a personal favorite of mine. To those with Ayaka and looking for a use for your Ganyu that's been collecting dust, try her out as an off-field burst dps for your Ayaka. Running healer-less seems daunting at first, and the team certainly does have notable quirks that can make optimizing runs a headache, but it performs well and feels very rewarding to play. Another route to take for non Shenhe or Kokomi havers. NOTE: *I am NOT recommending pulling Ganyu just to use this team. This is just another Ayaka variation that utilizes Ganyu's burst capabilities.*
y does he have the piss seelie
My team consists of Ayaka, Rosaria, Sucrose, Barbara.
Good 4-star team!
As a c1r1 Ayaka + her skin and Kazuha Shenhe c1 Kokomi. I rarely play her Lol maybe because it didn't fit my playstyle or something
Yeah, finding a good place to play ayaka is getting harder and harder. In overworld she just feels bad, since you need to recharge her burst after using it; in abyss there are bosses/annoying enemies(pyro lectors currently) both sides so she doesn’t feel as effective; in events needing to use burst for every new wave of enemies means it’s really slow compared to even xiao since he can jump to different locations to keep doing damage. It’s kind of sad, hopefully they’ll add some good chambers for ayaka in abyss soon(I don’t think the leaked future ones are good for her though, unfortunately).
AYAYA
Do i need shenhe or is furina team close enough in damage i have well built charolette with TDS ?
Still what is the dps loss without shenhe compared to furina team ?
Edit : using r5 finale for the deep
shenhe is more comfortable and more damage output for ayaka
i'm afraid dps loss is quite high, for furina you get 200 stacks on average which is 50% bonus and TTDS. With shenhe + kokomi you get: 15% shred, 20% Q dmg, nobless, tenacity, and 10 stacks of icy quills which is almost 50% more dmg for ayaka burst, plus she brings more energy than charlotte. Edit: furina's personal damage is not bad but it's kinda incompatible with the frontload playstyle of ayaka and enemies escape freeze too often
@@karrot6941you’re underestimating furina damage, the team is quite close in single target due to it, and shenhe loses value in aoe too, but I think it’s a bit better than furina in aoe.
Furina/Charlotte is just as good
@@karrot6941you can max furina stacks pretty easily before using Ayaka's burst. And you are underestimating furina's damage too much here
I have 4 ayakad
I just pulled Ayaka, I'm only have Mona, Sucrose C4, Diona, and Rosaria C2 right now. Who should I pick for my Ayaka's team? Any recommendation? Thank you
mona sucrose and diona
With your characters, a good starting point is Ayaka/Mona/Sucrose/Diona.
Standard Ayaka freeze team is Ayaka, one other Cryo for battery, one Hydro to trigger Freeze, and one Anemo for grouping. Mona and Sucrose can fill their respective element’s slots. As for the other Cryo, Diona is usually preferred since she rounds out the team with her shield and healing. If you want to take a more offensive approach, go for Rosaria and use Prototype Amber on Mona.
"NEED" of kazua no you dont need kazua can do with sucrosse no problem or even with out ayaka its ayaka and work even alone
you dont use venti cause he brake freeze with the ulti you could use what ever ayaka melt even .....cause yall have the obsession of oh ayaka its only the ulti nope its not
whats the website used to calculate dmg on 5:38
Genshin Optimizer
what's that calculating website or app called
Genshin Optimizer
Mono Cryo Ayaka tip? Ayaka fallen down new challenges
Wow an actual video not shitting on Ayaka
I will never shit on any character! I like them all lol
Amenoma vs finale of the deep which is better?
P.s I have r3 amenoma
If you are able to get Finale's effect consistently and you have no problem with Energy than it is better, even at R1. For easier gameplay/rotations stick to Amenoma.
@@SevenPls great and thanks for replying
I have a problem with ayaka can you help me please
my problem is related to teams my ayaka is weak cos I lost the 50/50 on kazuha and I lost it on ayaka so I couldnt get shenhe or kazuha and I only have kok to play with her and I am using the amanuma on ayaka and using rozaria sucrose and kok but I heard that mona diona sucrose is better is that right? I want to leave the account because 1 I lost all of my 50/50 on my favorite characters (I got hu tao and raiden on their next rerun) 2 the lac of 5* I don't even have 2 completed teams 3 ayaka my friend told me ayaka is good believe me and for my I feel like I I have save my garnte for yelan or a better character that would have been way better cos my ayaka does no dmg without shenhe or kazuha and because loging in that account makes feel like I have 1.5 limited 5stars cos my ayaka does no dmg and cos I have mona and everyone is saying I you don't have shnhe the diona mona will be better that rozaria kok so she is useless and hu tao is also useless because I have no sups for her so what do you say about all of this should I just give up on this account it has (hu tao raiden ayaka and kok only but way better artifacts than the other one) pity 70 character banner and like 20 weapon banner and play on my 2nd one it has (childe kazuha alhaitham yelan and furina and a garnte) they are at the same ar for stander 5stars the first one has c1 diluc c1 mona a qiqi a jean two useless weapons and the other one got the 5* pyscal weapon a qiqi c1 diluc a jean and a useless weapon
I would keep playing your account to be honest, unless you have another on the ready. Starting over is not going to give up any benefit anyway. You can always just save primogems via events and exploration and wish for Kazuha again or whoever you want. But to be honest Rosaria and Sucrose with Kokomi is a decent team. You could play Mona instead of Kokomi and give her Prot Amber if you still need healing, TTDS could then go to Sucrose. Regardless focus on your builds and especially on Ayaka's and you can get by!! If you need more specific help join our discord or ask here, I will reply!
You forgot Qiqi exist, she is not bad with furina/Ayaka.
She is one of the worst
@@crystadarkkaiser2565 not really, have you ever tried Qiqi, furina, kazuha, Ayaka?
qiqi is not that great as off field healer and she also can't battery ayaka which is necessary in this team
@@mickysaif I disagree, you just need the right build, Sacrificial sword and clam set it's awesome on her, with ER/ATK/ATK or healing bonuses she will burst every rotation, and because she heals so much the clam bubble it's gonna do some good sub DPS damage. She can battery some, maybe not solve Ayaka energy problems but help.
@@oterogalvishonestly, if you use qiqi, I would run triple fav, probably the only way to have reasonable ER reqs on that team.
So the secret is: have Kazuha, Have Shenhe and have Furina. So have 260-520 pulls, and 2 years of your life to pull their reruns. Also Ayaka's weapon (70-210 pulls). Cool
why does he shift before ulti? its useless on the ulti shift only apply cryo on autos and carged
Ayaka gets 18% Cryo DMG from it (A4)
Pro tip: Pull nuvilette and forget about teams and rotations
These are neither advanced tips nor hidden techs. Up your game and not just the clickbait thumbnails.
Correct way to use ayaka doesn't involve furina. Simple as that.