I'm an older man who has been learning German for a couple years. The single most important thing I have learned from Steve Kaufmann is this: Forgetting is OK; forgetting is normal; forgetting is unavoidable. And, how should someone deal with forgetting in language learning? First, recognize it as OK, normal and unavoidable, and continue on reading and listening. The more reading and listening one does, the more those "forgotten" words will be revisited, refreshed and reinforced, and, through this process, eventually, acquired and integrated into one's working lexicon for their new language.
You can tell Steven kraschen really believes in what he says. He just loses himself in his speech and his eyes gleam. He's also very lively. Truly a remarkable man.
I have been learning Dutch during the quarantine, and the other day I had this dream where my brain made up a situation where I used the american R sound, an american L sound, and the back of the mouth R sound, over and over again. When I woke up, I could pronounce the back of the mouth R sound! I couldn't do it before!
I was struggling with French for a while, trying to learn it with the traditional classroom method for years, and never felt confident in speaking fluently. I started doing comprehensible input on my own, and at some point I started having dreams where I was speaking entirely in French. Every since that I can speak/listen/write without even thinking lol. It’s like our brains are solidifying everything we’ve learned while we sleep!
I enjoyed the whole video. Steve, thanks for carrying out this amazing interview with Stephen Krashen whose old speech I watched some time ago. I feel really encouraged to pick up more languages in the future. Currently, I'm improving my English and Portuguese. I'm a native Spanish speaker and really enjoy this process. Deus abençõe você!
Thank you, Stephen and Steve. You've given me confidence and joy of learning. I will continue enjoying my comprehensible input while I struggle with my French!
Wow! I first studied these things from 2002 and 2005 and never even had a chance to see a picture of Professor Krashen let alone watching him talking about these ideas. The students of this era are just lucky. Thank you for the awesome interview.
I went to a chinese restaurant with my chinese friend and he gestured at me to speak in Chinese to the waitress, so I said "我们要买单“ (we would like the bill) and the waitress smiled so wide. Such simple interactions make all the hard work so worth it!
Great advice! Thanks for sharing these videos while at the conference, Steve! This was so helpful and motivating for me to watch on my first day of my senior year of undergrad as a German major :)
Let's remember another SK, Stephen King, who has written many novels that have been translated into many languages, so this SK has initiated many titles of comprehensible input for comparative study and enjoyment.
I started learning Swahili seriously this year. Loving it! It is amazing to me, once you get out of the western languages, how people express themselves so differently! I'm definitely having fun, but I need to continue having fun.
@@MarkBH70 there is so many western languages different to speak. In Brazil there is like 300 hundred languages beside portuguese. There is Guarani on Paraguay. Quenchua on Peru. And probably other hundreds north america native languages.
sorry to be offtopic but does anyone know of a trick to log back into an Instagram account? I was stupid forgot my password. I love any tips you can give me!
@Stephen Marvin I really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and Im in the hacking process atm. I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
I would be interested in you doing a video with polyglots on theories of language and perception - or a review of a similarly themed film or book like the recent film about language The Arrival
Steven Krashen put the SK in my channel name; SK Language. I'm trying to create a bilingual family based on his hypotheses. This video is so inspirational!
The point to be remembered about Comprehensible Input is this: the best part of Comprehensible Input is reading and listening. All the other fluff of gesture, emotion, et cetera, is a disaster in learning - NEVER "ACQUIRING!" To throw out grammar vocab and exercises to leave only reading and listening, gesture, emotion is absurd - paid for studies be damned! Reading and listening are but TWO PARTS of the GRAMMATICAL CONSTRUCTIONS that language makes. This is looking at grammar. Looking at the writer/speaker, the ability that knowledge of grammar gives permits a speaker or writer to create, build, shape and finish a piece in a meaningful and aesthetically pleasing way. THE CREATOR, WHO KNOWS HIS GRAMMAR, CAN CREATE GOOD WORK. THE POOR WONDERER, WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS GRAMMAR, WON'T BE ABLE TO COMPOSE, WRITE AND SPEAK WELL, THUS DISADVANTAGING HIM (If you know your grammar, you'll know that the masculine pronoun, "he," is the inclusive term). If you're serious about learning a language, you don't just want to mimick, what you hear and guess for your original speech: you want to know your language; not just some words, guessing others and imitating gestures and voice intonation BUT KNOW YOUR NEW LANGUAGE! BY LEARNING AND KNOWING WHAT IT MAY AND MAY NOT DO! LONG LIVE GRAMMAR STUDY!
I feel so proud of myself. I've been studying the Bible with a Jewish friend and I know the Hebrew alphabet and I can read the Bible. I feel so proud. 😇
Hi dear Steve, great video! I used to be a Mandarin teacher and I don't know if you've ever heard a program "QTALK", visual cues to talk. It's totally based on icons as a form of "comprehensible input". They place icons side by side to enable learners to speak sentences. It's quite effective and I think it's because visuals tie to our memory and it's so intuitive to look at, just as a "hint" as you said. Can you tell me what's your opinion on this?
@@Thelinguist Sorry for the scare! Stephen is thankfully well, as far as I can tell. I don't mean to bother you with this. It was a quip, I noticed that in 2017 Stephen was very prone to dragging the President into unrelated matters. I don't mean to stir the pot, I just wanted to share these videos with some very fine and open minded people who would nonetheless groan about being lectured to about a politician when fully engaged in an otherwise positive activity of looking to the broader world for diverse perspectives. すみません。
Just remember ,זה סבבה you will get to your goal.at some point , you need the orientation . But this theory is new for me, cool , thanks for publishing. Great way to put it "genius is found the path a stick for it" But i think genius as it's flaws and you shouldn't aspire to it
Interesting talk, as always. What is the book you were referencing towards the end of the video? It seems like it is called 'Flow', but it's not a very unique title, so I'm concerned I will end up finding the wrong book. Searching on Google yields a book by a certain Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. Is this the book in question?
Hello, Mr Kaufmann, thank you so much for all the info you have shared on this video. I just have a question and I hope you reply back to me. The question is: Can the natural approach method be used to teach all languages tenses or does it have a limit in which the students must study Grammar? Good regards I am from Nicaragua.
@@claudiofabricioteranfajard8051 Thank you Mr Fajardo. I think I must not been clear with my question. My concern is related to the levels we can get with the natural approach, for example, levels like A1 A2 B1 B2 C1 C2. That is my question if following just the natural way.. Can we get those levels or does it have a limit? So that We have to study Grammar to get these levels B2 and C1.
@@marcoscollado4417I'm not an expert on the subject but most of your doubts will be removed when you watch this video and if you can try to read his book. ruclips.net/video/J_EQDtpYSNM/видео.html
What about listening to music in the native language? Would that help. How many times mothers accros the world tell their kids "if you'd study your school work like you learned those songs you'd come first in test"
something i'm not entirely clear on though this video seems to confirm.. Does reading a paragraph with 20% comprehension but using a dictionary to bring it up to +90%= comprehensible input?
@@zombiedeutsch Japanese. I've found it easier to just follow along with normal people conversations through twitter and such. Its coming along fine. Reading something that requires a heavy amount of dictionary to understand feels like a waste of time. Trying to rush it when I'm inconsistent in application is the primary issue for me. You?
@@BobbyJ529 my biggest issue the the overwhelming vocabulary, i ankied around 3500 vocabulary words, and i still see many unknown words on Facebook posts. I am learning German. I wasted a lot of time on anki. I did half assimil 50 lessons. It quick started me and made me understand some grammar. It's critical to get some meaning out of phrases. Idk if it's the same in Japanese or not. Inconsistency isn't an issue, but feeling overwhelmed and wanting to learn so much in little time. I am feeling retarted. 4 months doing 2 hours a day and still can't speak or understand well.
I'm gonna do it 1 hour and 1 hour along with speaking practice as my learning method (because I know the language in a certain level) Excellent interview!! Bty, where's the histories in english with question/storytelling
Yo creo que gente que no ha sido capaz de aprender bien ni una sola L2 no puede erigirse como pope de la enseñanza de idiomas. La anécdota del chino en Alemania es bastante triste.
People in the comments complaining about the Trump quip as if he hasn’t ruined countless lives and is absolutely horrible. Privilege from an objective standpoint, count yourselves lucky, but apathetic and vile. Great video Mr Kaufmann, very interesting!
@@Thelinguist, OMG, what an honor! I love your channel, and LinQ. What I meant is that grammar is just the way the language is constructed and the rules that govern it. For example, Spanish has the adjective after the noun, that's grammar. What grammar ISN'T an altar in a cathedral where we come and prostrate ourselves. Grammsr is supposed to help us, not dominate us. If we can learn our target language without arcane rules, more power to us.
Every sentence has grammar, has a structure in it, of course. But the point is that you don't need to consciously know the grammar rules to understand, acquire and use language.
He cant make it through a single video without trump on his breath. You're also the first genius(tm) lol, that has ever refereed to himself as one. Love your work, but genius? no relax. Nothing you have done has ever been on that level. You do and study what average people have been doing for millenia. (not sure why that rubbed me the wrong way... far too cocky i think)
Krashen has been preaching the same simple message for decades. Its really time for him to move on to something new !!! Of course he won’t. That would take some work and he is used to living off of his past glory. What a lazy man.
I'm an older man who has been learning German for a couple years. The single most important thing I have learned from Steve Kaufmann is this: Forgetting is OK; forgetting is normal; forgetting is unavoidable. And, how should someone deal with forgetting in language learning? First, recognize it as OK, normal and unavoidable, and continue on reading and listening. The more reading and listening one does, the more those "forgotten" words will be revisited, refreshed and reinforced, and, through this process, eventually, acquired and integrated into one's working lexicon for their new language.
I love this comment, it's so true.
These two legends are single handedly an inspiration and a "father like" figure to so many language learners around the world. God bless both of them.
You can tell Steven kraschen really believes in what he says. He just loses himself in his speech and his eyes gleam. He's also very lively. Truly a remarkable man.
The two old men have lots of wisdom :)
Both Stephen?
You, guys, gave me more knowledge than any books I've read or any teachers I've met. Just wanna sincerely thank you that you are!
"...i heard her voice in my head..." that's WONDERFUL in that a part of your teacher is always with you❤
I have been learning Dutch during the quarantine, and the other day I had this dream where my brain made up a situation where I used the american R sound, an american L sound, and the back of the mouth R sound, over and over again. When I woke up, I could pronounce the back of the mouth R sound! I couldn't do it before!
I was struggling with French for a while, trying to learn it with the traditional classroom method for years, and never felt confident in speaking fluently. I started doing comprehensible input on my own, and at some point I started having dreams where I was speaking entirely in French. Every since that I can speak/listen/write without even thinking lol. It’s like our brains are solidifying everything we’ve learned while we sleep!
I wish one day hugging mr Krashen .The genius of languages
The great krashen, and the phenomenon Kaufman, so much love sir
Love listening to these two chat about CI! Thanks for sharing, and NEVER retire!
I enjoyed the whole video. Steve, thanks for carrying out this amazing interview with Stephen Krashen whose old speech I watched some time ago. I feel really encouraged to pick up more languages in the future. Currently, I'm improving my English and Portuguese. I'm a native Spanish speaker and really enjoy this process. Deus abençõe você!
What a great chat! Really pulled me in as if I were there.
Thank you, Stephen and Steve. You've given me confidence and joy of learning. I will continue enjoying my comprehensible input while I struggle with my French!
Wow! I first studied these things from 2002 and 2005 and never even had a chance to see a picture of Professor Krashen let alone watching him talking about these ideas. The students of this era are just lucky. Thank you for the awesome interview.
I went to a chinese restaurant with my chinese friend and he gestured at me to speak in Chinese to the waitress, so I said "我们要买单“ (we would like the bill) and the waitress smiled so wide. Such simple interactions make all the hard work so worth it!
So lovely to watch these two men talk so passionately about something they love so much! Their eyes exude their passion!
You always give me the motivation to continue studying languages, Steve. Thank you very much.
Great advice! Thanks for sharing these videos while at the conference, Steve! This was so helpful and motivating for me to watch on my first day of my senior year of undergrad as a German major :)
My confidence in learning French as a 3rd language has been restored, thanks to comprehensible input theory 😭
ten es où mtn?
OMG, THE LEGEND! #Fun fact, SK interviewing SK. ;)
Let's remember another SK, Stephen King, who has written many novels that have been translated into many languages, so this SK has initiated many titles of comprehensible input for comparative study and enjoyment.
We were very fortunate to have both of them presenting at the Montreal LangFest
It's the best interview that I have seen in my life
Thanks to your video implication that learning a foreign language should be viewed as an interesting rather than compelling daily task
Smashing interview.
Excellent back-and-forth! God bless you guys!
This was absolutely beautiful. I appreciate this so much! Wow.
I started learning Mandarin Chinese last week, loving it !
I started learning Swahili seriously this year. Loving it! It is amazing to me, once you get out of the western languages, how people express themselves so differently! I'm definitely having fun, but I need to continue having fun.
it’s been 2 years, how your mandarin today?
@@MarkBH70 there is so many western languages different to speak. In Brazil there is like 300 hundred languages beside portuguese. There is Guarani on Paraguay. Quenchua on Peru. And probably other hundreds north america native languages.
@@edgarazevedo1306 I didn't know it was that many.
You fluent yet?
2 legends in the language community
Thank you soooo much Steve Kaufmann!!! I ve been learning so much from this channel!!! Also started to learn Italian with LingQ!!!👍🏻🙋
Thank you so much for your sharing. I have been inspired a lot by this interview.
two stars in one video 💚 what a nice and great video 💚
Two inspirations. Much respect =)
love these guys!
sorry to be offtopic but does anyone know of a trick to log back into an Instagram account?
I was stupid forgot my password. I love any tips you can give me!
@Baker Zain Instablaster :)
@Stephen Marvin I really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and Im in the hacking process atm.
I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Stephen Marvin it worked and I actually got access to my account again. I'm so happy:D
Thank you so much, you really help me out!
@Baker Zain glad I could help xD
Wonderful video. Thank you, Steve.
these 2 should have a podcast
I would be interested in you doing a video with polyglots on theories of language and perception - or a review of a similarly themed film or book like the recent film about language The Arrival
God! I had so much fun listening to this conversation
Steven Krashen put the SK in my channel name; SK Language. I'm trying to create a bilingual family based on his hypotheses. This video is so inspirational!
Just subbed sis 🤗
The point to be remembered about Comprehensible Input is this: the best part of Comprehensible Input is reading and listening. All the other fluff of gesture, emotion, et cetera, is a disaster in learning - NEVER "ACQUIRING!"
To throw out grammar vocab and exercises to leave only reading and listening, gesture, emotion is absurd - paid for studies be damned!
Reading and listening are but TWO PARTS of the GRAMMATICAL CONSTRUCTIONS that language makes. This is looking at grammar.
Looking at the writer/speaker, the ability that knowledge of grammar gives permits a speaker or writer to create, build, shape and finish a piece in a meaningful and aesthetically pleasing way.
THE CREATOR, WHO KNOWS HIS GRAMMAR, CAN CREATE GOOD WORK.
THE POOR WONDERER, WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS GRAMMAR, WON'T BE ABLE TO COMPOSE, WRITE AND SPEAK WELL, THUS DISADVANTAGING HIM (If you know your grammar, you'll know that the masculine pronoun, "he," is the inclusive term).
If you're serious about learning a language, you don't just want to mimick, what you hear and guess for your original speech: you want to know your language; not just some words, guessing others and imitating gestures and voice intonation BUT KNOW YOUR NEW LANGUAGE! BY LEARNING AND KNOWING WHAT IT MAY AND MAY NOT DO!
LONG LIVE GRAMMAR STUDY!
Mi ne havas vortojn por esprimi min mem. Dankon pro ĉi tiu grava intervjuo
I don't have words to express myself. Thanks for this important interview
MANY THANKS!
It's amazing how many people think you two are not in simpatico.
I'm learning and this helped.
Breaking my Japanese immersion to watch this!
Noooo, you’ll never learn Japanese at this rate!
Tekashi haha I’ll have to catch up later then ;p.
Great interview thanks very much.
I love your videos because of your positive attitude. I watch a few when I'm taking a break from Portuguese
I feel so proud of myself. I've been studying the Bible with a Jewish friend and I know the Hebrew alphabet and I can read the Bible. I feel so proud. 😇
Fantastic interview. Inspiring and made me think!
I Live in Brazil, But I Speak English with friends I Love this Language.
Thank you for this steve!
Just ❤️❤️❤️
Hi dear Steve, great video! I used to be a Mandarin teacher and I don't know if you've ever heard a program "QTALK", visual cues to talk. It's totally based on icons as a form of "comprehensible input". They place icons side by side to enable learners to speak sentences. It's quite effective and I think it's because visuals tie to our memory and it's so intuitive to look at, just as a "hint" as you said. Can you tell me what's your opinion on this?
Thanks for this great video! Love it!
This is great! Thanks for sharing!
Muchas gracias Steve y Stephen, es muy agradable escucharlos!
This is how wisdom looks.. speaking of languages
My condolences to Stephen's family, and hopes for a swift recovery from his TDS.
What is TDS?
@@Thelinguist
Sorry for the scare! Stephen is thankfully well, as far as I can tell.
I don't mean to bother you with this. It was a quip, I noticed that in 2017 Stephen was very prone to dragging the President into unrelated matters.
I don't mean to stir the pot, I just wanted to share these videos with some very fine and open minded people who would nonetheless groan about being lectured to about a politician when fully engaged in an otherwise positive activity of looking to the broader world for diverse perspectives.
すみません。
Eating this up at 1:26am!! 🥰🥰🥰
love the way Stephen talks. :D
Fernando Gomez too anecdotal
Just remember ,זה סבבה you will get to your goal.at some point , you need the orientation .
But this theory is new for me, cool , thanks for publishing.
Great way to put it "genius is found the path a stick for it"
But i think genius as it's flaws and you shouldn't aspire to it
Thanks for the interview! =)
Interesting talk, as always. What is the book you were referencing towards the end of the video? It seems like it is called 'Flow', but it's not a very unique title, so I'm concerned I will end up finding the wrong book. Searching on Google yields a book by a certain Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. Is this the book in question?
brilliant gents. thanks.
Knowledge is but rumor until it lives in the body.
I'm pretty sure that when Stephen Krashen says Steve Kaufman that he doesn't realizes that it's the same man sitting next to him.
Hello, Mr Kaufmann, thank you so much for all the info you have shared on this video. I just have a question and I hope you reply back to me.
The question is: Can the natural approach method be used to teach all languages tenses or does it have a limit in which the students must study Grammar?
Good regards
I am from Nicaragua.
2:26 the answer you need.
@@claudiofabricioteranfajard8051
Thank you Mr Fajardo. I think I must not been clear with my question. My concern is related to the levels we can get with the natural approach, for example, levels like A1 A2 B1 B2 C1 C2. That is my question if following just the natural way.. Can we get those levels or does it have a limit? So that
We have to study Grammar to get these levels B2 and C1.
@@marcoscollado4417I'm not an expert on the subject but most of your doubts will be removed when you watch this video and if you can try to read his book. ruclips.net/video/J_EQDtpYSNM/видео.html
I'm the First here... Thank you Steve and Stephen.
Should we look up words for making the input comprehensible it takes too much time to do so
If i have a son and i will name him with initials S.K with hope that he will be a great linguist and polyglot like these two legends here.
Oh, we named our son S.K...hahaha.
Love that!
What about listening to music in the native language? Would that help. How many times mothers accros the world tell their kids "if you'd study your school work like you learned those songs you'd come first in test"
How many languages do you have to speak in order to be considered as a polyglot
Steve Krashen and Stephen Kaufmann
Krashen mentioned something about "You don't need to learn grammar if you're a child" something along those lines, When do you stop being a child?
6 months old
When you need grammar to learn a language.
These guys should live 299 years.
Спасибо!
something i'm not entirely clear on though this video seems to confirm.. Does reading a paragraph with 20% comprehension but using a dictionary to bring it up to +90%= comprehensible input?
Did you find an answer?
@@zombiedeutsch nope. Did you?
@@BobbyJ529 i still struggle understanding text where i know most words. Let alone text with unknown vocabulary. What language are you learning?
@@zombiedeutsch Japanese. I've found it easier to just follow along with normal people conversations through twitter and such. Its coming along fine. Reading something that requires a heavy amount of dictionary to understand feels like a waste of time. Trying to rush it when I'm inconsistent in application is the primary issue for me. You?
@@BobbyJ529 my biggest issue the the overwhelming vocabulary, i ankied around 3500 vocabulary words, and i still see many unknown words on Facebook posts. I am learning German. I wasted a lot of time on anki. I did half assimil 50 lessons. It quick started me and made me understand some grammar. It's critical to get some meaning out of phrases. Idk if it's the same in Japanese or not.
Inconsistency isn't an issue, but feeling overwhelmed and wanting to learn so much in little time. I am feeling retarted. 4 months doing 2 hours a day and still can't speak or understand well.
Stephen Krashen should try Remembering the Hanzhi with the readings in an SRS like Anki
Does Krashen speak any other language apart from his native language?
yes
This is funny
He speaks German fluently. There's a video where he literally teaches you German. He's also been learning more languages.
How many hours a day is necesary reading activity or listening?
I manage to listen an hour and try to get in another 30 minutes of reading and LingQing.
I'm gonna do it 1 hour and 1 hour along with speaking practice as my learning method (because I know the language in a certain level) Excellent interview!! Bty, where's the histories in english with question/storytelling
i want to join langfest
I disagree with the statement «Don’t teach children Grammar “.I do teach them grammar and I am sure it is important.
Who’s this Steve Kaufmann guy?
I heard he can speak other languages...
Like Klingon
Hebrew is my first language ,(:
If you "struggle" to learn a language then the methodology is deficient.
Are you gonna add Tagalog
If we get enough content.
his name is stephen and you called him steve in the begining of video... i know this is something not important but just i wanna practice english
Who here from channel Simple Thoughts or "Простые Мысли" on Russian.
no comment
Yo creo que gente que no ha sido capaz de aprender bien ni una sola L2 no puede erigirse como pope de la enseñanza de idiomas. La anécdota del chino en Alemania es bastante triste.
the bests
If i can understand 95% this conversation . Whats my level? I mean, im not still fluent, but i can speak some things.
Had Srephen recently walked into a door? I hope he is fine now.
Steve, are you related to the Nietzsche scholar Walter Kaufmann?
Dude, are they twins or something?
You look like siblings 🎉
I didn’t know that Trump meddled in science.
People in the comments complaining about the Trump quip as if he hasn’t ruined countless lives and is absolutely horrible. Privilege from an objective standpoint, count yourselves lucky, but apathetic and vile.
Great video Mr Kaufmann, very interesting!
他是你的朋友吗？
Let's not kid ourselves, ALL language is grammar.
What does that even mean?
@@Thelinguist, OMG, what an honor! I love your channel, and LinQ. What I meant is that grammar is just the way the language is constructed and the rules that govern it. For example, Spanish has the adjective after the noun, that's grammar. What grammar ISN'T an altar in a cathedral where we come and prostrate ourselves. Grammsr is supposed to help us, not dominate us. If we can learn our target language without arcane rules, more power to us.
Every sentence has grammar, has a structure in it, of course. But the point is that you don't need to consciously know the grammar rules to understand, acquire and use language.
He cant make it through a single video without trump on his breath.
You're also the first genius(tm) lol, that has ever refereed to himself as one.
Love your work, but genius? no relax. Nothing you have done has ever been on that level.
You do and study what average people have been doing for millenia. (not sure why that rubbed me the wrong way... far too cocky i think)
Who, besides Trump, has referred to himself as a genius and who are you criticizing here?
Krashen has been preaching the same simple message for decades. Its really time for him to move on to something new !!! Of course he won’t. That would take some work and he is used to living off of his past glory. What a lazy man.
Wonderful video
Thanks Stephen
The "lazy man" couldn't retire because dummies around the world still haven't got the message.