On focus breathing, importnant to notice Matt that the field of view distortion of Canon is opposite comparing to the other two. So actually, when focusing in close at 200mm with the Canon, you're actually getting "closer" to the subject, which is great for head shots.
in fact is a lot better thanks to that! Nikon and Tamron in closest focus at 200mm you get about 135 to 140mm, in Canon, in fact at closest focus you get true 200mm so do the math, when you are taking a portrait o a head shot, the amoun of bokeh at true 200mm 2.8 vs 135mm at 2.8 you will get almost the double of bokeh at 200! :D
If I understand what you're saying, that's called depth of field, the distances before and after the subject in which other stuff will be in focus too. This depends on focal lenth, keeping aperture, focusing distance and sensor size the same. The visual effect being the amount of focus or bluriness.
airjaff The D750 has been said by many to be far superior in the image to the MK3, I know "Canon is better" is a common saying and that may still hold for cheaper-medium ranges but the Sony sensor on the more recent higher end cameras smokes away Canon anyway. I know most people are still shooting Canon and will keep doing so but again, if you watch comparisons between the D750 and the MK3 the Canon wins in almost nothing, even Jordan from TheCameraStore(which REALLY knows what he's doing) doesn't think of a single area where he would recommend the MK3 after the D750 release...and even the D810 is better of course.
***** thanks for agreeing, I mean sure the 5DMK3 has been the standard for a while but right now it got REALLY old, don't get why people get so defensive about the stuff they like when they're clearly outperformed. Technology advances fast, why holding back?
+AndreCorner strange .. ist you notice Nikon has terrible colours (matts D810)then you say the Sony sensor "smokes" the canon ermmm ...well how is the Nikon smoking the canon with its terrible colours ???
david appleton it's two separate things plus you red it wrong. I said the NIKKOR, not Nikon, displayed terrible colours and I'm talking about this lens compared to the other two. That being said I also mentioned Sony sensors being way better in general but again, it's a separate thing :)
I shoot with a Nikon D800 and previously had the Sigma 70-200 OS HSM. After doing my own comparison with the Tamron 70-200 VC, I traded the Sigma for the Tamron. I find the Tamron to be much sharper from 70-200, and the Vibration Control to be more effective. It also has weather sealing, which the Sigma lacks. It is a bit more expensive, but worth it, in my opinion.
hello how are you, Matt one question. Which is more sharper, I do not mind vignetting or build quality, I just want good resolution, sharp images, ( canon vsTamron) I can fix the vignetting in lightroon so the more sharper, clear glass
Really nice and gutsy work. Thank you. I am so sick of hearing about "focus breathing" based solely, exclusively, and totally on one person's subjective measure of their own work flow I could puke. People just make up "tests" based on vapor and then rate lenses on MUST HAVE basis. It makes me sick. Everyone uses gear differently. Any "tests" based on one kind of work flow are nothing but hindsight justifications for bad choices made in the past. You did a good job. You will be savaged.
Focus breathing is heavily influenced by the minimum focus distance, which is closest in canon 1.20m compared to 1.40m in nikon and 1.30m in Tamron. (Nikon user BTW)
Basically which lens to choose comes down to whether less vignetting and a focus limiter switch is worth $1000 to you. If they are get the Canon/Nikon version and if they aren't get the Tamron which is close enough the Nikon/Canon versions in all other areas that it will never make a noticeable difference in the final image unless you are pixel peeping at 100% and directly comparing them.
Its the term for how the image changes in size depending on where the focal plane is. See how on the Canon the image seems to zoom in when he turns the focus ring? Its important when shooting video since you frequently change focus but want to keep the same composition of your frame.
@Windbringer, the Tamron scored 4.29 but got 4.25 rounded down, the Nikkor got 4.33 but was rounded up to 4.5... it doesn't seem fair to round one down and one up when both are closer to 4.25!
Hey Aeiq1219, yes the 70-200 lens for the Nikon systems will work on your D3100 even with autofocus. As long as the lens says that it's an AF-S lens, it has the motor built into the lens so it will work on your camera. Also you won't be disappointed with any of the 70-200 series of lenses both the f2.8 VR II and the F4 VR II versions are incredible for performance.
Hey MrNuri21, sorry for not replying earlier, had issues with my new 5D3 and had to send it back, therefore i could not test the Tamron 70-200 until last sunday when i shot a wedding with it. Best real-world testing you can get... :) I have to say i am really pleased with the results, good sharpness even at 2.8, good micro contrast and nice color rendition. The vignetting at 200mm/2.8 is quite heavy as matt mentioned but its not an issue for me and f4 ist much better already.
Thank you Jessica. I had made another comment. About Tamron making it possible for newbies or wannabees having a chance to get their foot in the door with the Tamron. It is hard enough putting together a pro kit or semi-pro kit these days. With that price and their foot in the door, they can actually start something which in turn will allow them to earn enough for top of the line- in time.
Thanks for the info. I bought the Tamron 18-270 for a walk around lens and it is sweet. For the price it should be rated 11 out of 10. Picture quality is even better than I hoped it would be. Is it as good as and big dollar lens? No but is it sure sweet when you are out for the day.
I've enjoyed all 4 of these, and I thank you for your work and time you invested in them. Personally, I have been leaning toward the Sigma, but now, having seen a lot about the Tamron, it gives me another lens to consider. It will likely take me another 6 months or so to get all "saved up" for the purchase, so maybe during that time you might be able to give some feedback on the Sigma. I'm a Canonite, so I probably will never buy a Nikon lens. However, your information is ALL valuable. Thanks
Excellent, that half point Tamron lost on focussing ring. I was just wondering if that should be grouped with build. It is design after all. And the vignetting in image quality, just another notch on PS to correct I think. In any case very clear what it what. Thanks.
An interesting anecdote of mine: The Canon EF-M 55-200 f4.5-6.3 IS STM that I have doesn't have any perceptible focus breathing, but the EF-s 55-250 f4-5.6 IS II does have a fair amount of it.
I just got the sigma 70-200 f2.8 HSM OS, very good autofocus system and very Sharp at f4, build quality is very good, will be nice to see a compare against the Tamron
interesting vignetting rating on the Tamron. Sharper than the others, which would make you think higher image quality. I've seen the Canon has trouble with random colors being through the photos. Seems a little biased towards the big name lenses. Just my opinion though, I'll be getting the Tamron, has the same if not more to offer than the others (with a lesser build quality) and it's almost half the price.
depends really on you, hired the nikon f4 for a wedding of a friend recently. pluses not heavy, solid and sharp but was pretty disappointed with the lack of bokeh blur with it on the d700. think f2.8 really is better for me
Thanks for an interesting review. As amateur/enthusiast, I would probably not go the expensive 2.8 Canon/Nikon lenses but would wonder whether to buy the Tamron 2.8 or the Nkon f4. Any suggestions?
What I didn't see you address was the focusing speed and accuracy between the three choices, my understanding is the Tamron can be a bit sluggish, maybe you can comment on this.
Hi Matt. I have a question but not related to lenses. Which do you prefer desktop for editing photos and videos.... 1) imac 2) dell xps 2720 3) lenovo horizon. Pls advice. Thanks.
I have the Tamron and use it on the D7000. love the lens. I have shot sports and portraits. quick to focus on moving objects and delivers good contrast
Anoop NC I own Nikon d7500 and would like to purchase a 70 - 200mm 2.8 lens. Not being interested in wildlife and sports photography whether the lenses without image stabilisation is ideal for portrait photography especially when zooming to full?
I have used a EF 75-300 f4-5.6 MK 1 for 30 years from 1990 the film era The camera I have used it on is a lot,It now is used on My EOS1 D MK 4 I even have the original lens hood and Hoya UV filter and never worried about big apertures most long focal lengths what ever I always use F8 which is enough at this aperture most lenses have that sweet spot Some 30-40 years ago I was advised to use middle aperture and still do I will not buy a new lens or other equipment until it is only fit for the bin . The EF 75-300 was and still is a damn good lens.
I own the 70-200 tamron and its not great for anything besides portraits. The Autofocus is not the best its slow and "clunky" compared to both the Canon and the Nikon. Its a superlens for low budgets but not great if its your soul and income. Just that you can pick up this and its smaller brother 24-70 VC for the same price as the canon or nikon is great for anyone that just want some fun. Whats your take on the focusing of the Tamron being only 50-150ish mm?
I'd probably hit up the f/4 - I can't seem to justify the 2.8 unless you're gonna go pro/absolutely need the low light. The VR on the F4 is also a generation ahead and offers an extra stop of compensation.
Your star system of using PRO and Enthusiasts is very practical, for me at least. I love image quality, but cannot recover cost from photography and will not "abuse" it in a daily basis. Thanks.
Canon's focus breathing issue is actually a huge bonus. On a fairly close portrait you are actually at 200 mm. On the others your subject will appear smaller and out of focus areas not as smooth
Tony Northup focus breathing results are different. At minimum focus distance comparing Canon, Nikon, and Tamron 70-200mm lenses, only Canon is true 200mm and Nikon and Tamron are at 150mm. Canon give photographers a 50mm focal length / focus breathing advantage over both Nikon and Tamron.
Tony made his "tests" up based on hi personal work flow. At least he had guts to admit it. Many thumbs up to Tony. It is the bozos out there that don't admit that their tests are pulled from their personal use (i.e. their butts), that make me sick. I spent years aligning lasers and complex lens systems to do photochemistry at nanosecond time scales. Believe me, there is no definition of lens breathing.
Hi Matt, I really enjoy you channel, thank you. I have a question I already have the Canon 24 -70 F4. What do you think for general photos, landscape, portraits and some wildlife. A 100-400 or 70-200 F2.8 with a 2 times extender for the wildlife bit, I have a Canon 80D and the budget won’t stretch to both lenses, thanks again Laurie
I really love how you broke down your rating and touched on the breathing and bokeh of the lenses. It's to bad you weren't able to get the Sigma up in the mix either way great video.
nice review have you tested the tamron 70-200 with tamron or nikon 2X teleconverter ? i read some online reviews complaining that AF and VC didn't work on their cameras with the above setup even that they have new bodies which can AF till f/8.
Hmmm, what I look for is focusing speed mostly in those lenses. Even if you have the best sharpness but without the speed to focus the decisive moment you will have a very hard time especially shooting high speed sports. I traded my Tamron (excellent image) for a Canon simply because of this. Try it on a 1-series body and you'll see the difference right the way. For portrait or anything that doesn't move much, I'd go for a prime which is much cheaper, sharper and brighter (aperture).
Hi andeashun I am also looking at buying the same tamron lens. Will you please share your experience about the vignetting. Would be nice to know if the effect shows on all the lenses from the same range. thank you
Hi Matt in Aus the Sigma is 1085 on on sale and the Tamron is 1200 on sale from digitalcamera warehouse . Nikon out of my price range. Mt GF likes me taking photos of her equestrian cross country. I only had a 18-105 kit lents and it had difficulty on focusing solely on the rider and all pics were a bit soft. So I have decided to upgrade Whats The best for this ? Sigma or Tamron ?
I'd be really interested to know where the 70-200 f4 fits into the mix. Yeah you lose some light but value would have to be up there with the tamron... Another alternative for the enthusiast perhaps?
Hi Matt how does Tamron perform at 200mm f2.8 compare to other two? Also tell me is it capable for doing some semipro work like social events. Many thanks
Hi Matt, Really enjoyed this series! Overall, I appreciate your field-based approach, honesty, enthousiasm and humor (sometimes a bit quirky, but please stay true to yourself ;) In part 3 you mentioned addressing the true focal range in your 4th video, as the Tamron in particular is rumored to have a 70-186mm true focal range. Unfortunately I missed this item in the 4th video. Can you still elaborate? I 'm considering a fast 70-200mm zoom and your insight would really help. Many thanks!
I would like to know what's up with this focus breathing contradiction between Tony and Matt. I've been in the market for a Nikon mount 70-200mm for a while now and I'm just not sure which way to go. Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8, the Tamron, or the Nikon f/4 version, which has no focus breathing issues. I know each lens has its pros and cons beyond focus breathing, but what's the leaning factor, price? Build quality? Ect... Any useful input would be appreciated.
Awesome review especially since you rated it in 2 different categories. I think for the majority of people they fall in the prosumer range and don't make a living off it their photos. The Tamron at over $1000 cheaper sure allows you to use that extra money to create a small studio or towards another lens.
The Canon 70-200 is superior lens 2.8 sharpest images Read the reviews of this lens from actual owners on www.digilh.com/canon70-2002.8lens and see for yourself (374 customer reviews 5 star ratings section)
Linda Malendse I don't trust reviews from actual owners as they feel they have to justify their purchase, even if they don't realize it. Pro reviews say the Tamron is as good or better than Nikon or Canon.
tbcass I've had focus issues with Tamron and Sigma (mostly Sigma) but I'm excited to try this lens for the dollar savings. I have been very happy with my Tamron lenses, minus the necessary focal adjustment in the camera body.
This is really interesting - guys like Tony Northrup mention how much closer the Canon lens is at close 'tight headshot' lengths and looking at the focus breathing test you did - it appears that the canon is the only lens which magnifies the closer it focuses rather than de-magnifying (if that's the correct term). In the side by side comparison it's easy to see that the focus breathing is 'reversed' on the canon allowing a much tighter headshot.
Which one is the winner if you compare the Tamron 70-200 vs the Sigma 700-200 as those are the two that are really in my decision list and the two I could afford as an enthusiast/non-pro/hobbyist. thanks
Great review! I've been wanting to upgrade my f/4L 70-200 to a 2.8, but price has been the main obstacle. Your review, along with some others, has me thinking more along the line of the Tamron. I'd love to have a 2.8L II, but the difference isn't worth $1000 to me.
Tony northrup said that the canon doesn't have focus breathing. Very interesting that he missed this one. The focus breathing is interesting because only on the canon the closer you focus the more magnification you get. Tamron and nikon seem to have a different design.
This is why I prefer reviews that show you rather than list a spec without any evidence of the test. I love Tony's reviews but I think he dropped the ball on this one.
ocubex As with anyone's reviews you always gotta take them with a grain of salt. Tony has some great content but sometimes I don't agree with his opinions. You also have to think about what kind of photography the reviewers are usually into. Wedding, birds, nature, landscapes, it all plays into the bias the reviewer has.
Not every kind of fix can be changed and/or fix can be done in post processing. Most of the one considered the best photographer will only do adding a watermark and noise reduction in order to stay true to the photo.
You are right. It has to be at least 4.375 to be rounded to 4.5 (When rounding to the nearest quarter) . So the rating for the nikkor is 4.25. Personally I think it is as good as the canon
I noticed the Canon seems to focus a lot closer (well I'm assuming so by the greater blur). Could this be one of the causes for the larger focus breathing? Does it really breath that much more if you focus between two identical differences between lenses rather than just closest and furthest?
..shot with the Canon & Tamron. The Tamron is sharper. Of course copies, AFs, MA all factors in but at the end Tamron is a game changer. It does the same or better job as the Canon for much less & instead of spending on a label & white paint I can spend on lights and other important stuff. The vignetting is there but LR automatically fix it.
I'd like to see zoom lenses rated on the feel of the zoom ring, along with all of your other criteria. You mention the focus ring. Many lenses have a smooth zoom ring that you can turn with one finger. This is true of the Canon lenses I own, but not for the Tamron 24-70. I considered returning that lens because of the stiff zoom ring.
I just pulled the trigger and brought the Tamron, large in part from your vids. What I would have liked to have seen (very difficult I know) is the Tamron rated against Nikkor and Canon V1 versions. Seeing as though one might be skeptical to buy Tamron because its third party, people may consider older just because its brand. this would give them an idea if its worth it to go old brand or new third party... If that makes sense..
This is interesting, the Canon actually looks like it "breathes longer" when focusing close while the others actually show less overall change to shorter lengths? Bad weather weekend coming, time for some test shooting with my Nikon ☺
I have the Tamron 24-70 and it is an awesome lens. I think I will go for the Tamron in the 70-200 but I am just wondering about extension tubes, will this lens be compatible with Canon tubes?
Hi, I have a queston about the Tamron, I've been looking at some videos in RUclips and there's a problem that caight my eye, some people claim that there is a play between the body and the lens that can actually make the camera have a false contact with the lens, did you experiment something like that?, if so, does tamron offers a solution for it? Thank you very much. Best regards.
What would you choose between the Nikon 70-200 f/2,8 VR (first version) and the tamron / sigma? Looking to buy a second hand Nikon, rather than the sigma / tamron.
Matt, you rock and I love your videos and really appreciate all the info you supply. However, I loath this new jazz background track you've added to your recent videos. haha
could you do a video on how to change the color settings on your nikon to make it look more like a canon does out of the camera? I've already invested a lot into nikon, and I love it, and I do love the editing process...BUT sometimes, clients want that punchy more "edited" look in the middle of the shoot to give them confidence.
Newbie question but the vig problems the Tamron has on a full frame would pretty much disappear on a crop sensor right? I shoot a 60D and desperately need something with a constant aperture since I shoot motorsports (drifting mostly) and am changing focal length as I pan my shots
Vignetting should be almost non-existent and is correctable anyway, keep in mind you need to multiply by 1.6 though since your a Canon owner - I guess thats good since you're shooting long distance autosports stuff.
Hi. I have just begun photography with a Canon 700D. Currently I have the 55-250mm kit lens. It's very slow though. The auto focus takes its own sweet time. Which other telephoto would you suggest on my crop sensor? Also, how fast would the auto focus be compared to the kit lens again keeping in mind my crop sensor camera body ?
+Sarthak Agarwal I have the 70D and the 55-250 STM, and that combination is amazingly fast when there is light enough. In low light a 2.8 lens will always be faster - that's what you are paying for.
Can i ask, If you shot the Canon and the Tamron from the same point at the same focal range , ie, 200mm , would you get a identical area of coverage ? I ask because i have seen a video where the Canon is tighter at 20mm than the Tamron which is slightly wider so you would have to move in slightly to get the same result... Thanks !
Is it possible to do a which manufacturer makes the best 70-200 F/4? Because i find it unlikely that many beginning photographers can go the F/2.8 route unless they go for pre-owned lenses.
Awesome video Matt lije always and the rating system is a great idea. To bad you couldn't get the sigma one. what if you do alternative systems on your next 70-200 showdown?
superb videos! I really think this is groundbreaking stuff and I know its been out there for a while but sure hope to see more of this videos. congratz and wish you the best in the future!
First and foremost I want to thank you Matt for these videos. Secondly, I just purchased the Tamron and I think it's the best bang for buck. Thanks Matt
What about the Sigma 70-200 2.8. I've been searching for a focus breathing test and have yet to find one. So far Canon has the rest beat. Im wondering what sigma looks like. For the price it could be a steal. Do you have any info on that ?
Is US $ 1600 a good price for nikon 70 200 VR ii lens, today in 2016. Mint condition inside box and all that. almost new. not sure when Nikon might bring an upgrade for this lens. Thanks!
Love the rating scale of the lenses. lol. Man that was a GREAT idea! I for one appreciate how much thought you put into giving people practical information.
Just looking at the thumbnail image: Tamron shirt is whiter and leaves are greener in the background; Canon has a slight red(?) tinge; Nikon looks a bit blue(?)...
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Matt I have to thank you for your taste in models it makes all what you are saying all more important.
On focus breathing, importnant to notice Matt that the field of view distortion of Canon is opposite comparing to the other two.
So actually, when focusing in close at 200mm with the Canon, you're actually getting "closer" to the subject, which is great for head shots.
in fact is a lot better thanks to that!
Nikon and Tamron in closest focus at 200mm you get about 135 to 140mm,
in Canon, in fact at closest focus you get true 200mm
so do the math, when you are taking a portrait o a head shot, the amoun of bokeh at true 200mm 2.8 vs 135mm at 2.8 you will get almost the double of bokeh at 200! :D
Excellent point.
Is the white balance off on the Nikon? The scene in general has a bluish tint...
I believe Canon is known for having better reds.
Not when you set your white balance correctly.
Roberto Pavan Am I perpetuating an urban myth?
If I understand what you're saying, that's called depth of field, the distances before and after the subject in which other stuff will be in focus too. This depends on focal lenth, keeping aperture, focusing distance and sensor size the same. The visual effect being the amount of focus or bluriness.
3:00 maybe I missed it but why does the Nikkor have that terrible colors? Is that the camera, a cloudy moment or what else?
Canon is just better for video. Have a look at other videos taken by a nikon, there is a green hue to all these nikon videos
airjaff The D750 has been said by many to be far superior in the image to the MK3, I know "Canon is better" is a common saying and that may still hold for cheaper-medium ranges but the Sony sensor on the more recent higher end cameras smokes away Canon anyway.
I know most people are still shooting Canon and will keep doing so but again, if you watch comparisons between the D750 and the MK3 the Canon wins in almost nothing, even Jordan from TheCameraStore(which REALLY knows what he's doing) doesn't think of a single area where he would recommend the MK3 after the D750 release...and even the D810 is better of course.
***** thanks for agreeing, I mean sure the 5DMK3 has been the standard for a while but right now it got REALLY old, don't get why people get so defensive about the stuff they like when they're clearly outperformed.
Technology advances fast, why holding back?
+AndreCorner strange .. ist you notice Nikon has terrible colours (matts D810)then you say the Sony sensor "smokes" the canon ermmm ...well how is the Nikon smoking the canon with its terrible colours ???
david appleton it's two separate things plus you red it wrong. I said the NIKKOR, not Nikon, displayed terrible colours and I'm talking about this lens compared to the other two.
That being said I also mentioned Sony sensors being way better in general but again, it's a separate thing :)
just got myself the tamron as i'm an enthusiast still budget minded took a couple of shot this morning and i'm pretty pleased, thanks for the review
I shoot with a Nikon D800 and previously had the Sigma 70-200 OS HSM. After doing my own comparison with the Tamron 70-200 VC, I traded the Sigma for the Tamron. I find the Tamron to be much sharper from 70-200, and the Vibration Control to be more effective. It also has weather sealing, which the Sigma lacks. It is a bit more expensive, but worth it, in my opinion.
hello how are you, Matt
one question.
Which is more sharper, I do not mind vignetting or build quality, I just want good resolution, sharp images, ( canon vsTamron)
I can fix the vignetting in lightroon
so the more sharper, clear glass
Really nice and gutsy work. Thank you.
I am so sick of hearing about "focus breathing" based solely, exclusively, and totally on one person's subjective measure of their own work flow I could puke. People just make up "tests" based on vapor and then rate lenses on MUST HAVE basis. It makes me sick.
Everyone uses gear differently. Any "tests" based on one kind of work flow are nothing but hindsight justifications for bad choices made in the past.
You did a good job. You will be savaged.
Focus breathing is heavily influenced by the minimum focus distance, which is closest in canon 1.20m compared to 1.40m in nikon and 1.30m in Tamron. (Nikon user BTW)
The vignetting is neglectable on a crop sensor Camera for the Tamron. Might want to take this into account for enthusiast rating.
Basically which lens to choose comes down to whether less vignetting and a focus limiter switch is worth $1000 to you. If they are get the Canon/Nikon version and if they aren't get the Tamron which is close enough the Nikon/Canon versions in all other areas that it will never make a noticeable difference in the final image unless you are pixel peeping at 100% and directly comparing them.
Its the term for how the image changes in size depending on where the focal plane is. See how on the Canon the image seems to zoom in when he turns the focus ring? Its important when shooting video since you frequently change focus but want to keep the same composition of your frame.
@Windbringer, the Tamron scored 4.29 but got 4.25 rounded down, the Nikkor got 4.33 but was rounded up to 4.5... it doesn't seem fair to round one down and one up when both are closer to 4.25!
Hey Aeiq1219, yes the 70-200 lens for the Nikon systems will work on your D3100 even with autofocus. As long as the lens says that it's an AF-S lens, it has the motor built into the lens so it will work on your camera. Also you won't be disappointed with any of the 70-200 series of lenses both the f2.8 VR II and the F4 VR II versions are incredible for performance.
Hey MrNuri21,
sorry for not replying earlier, had issues with my new 5D3 and had to send it back, therefore i could not test the Tamron 70-200 until last sunday when i shot a wedding with it. Best real-world testing you can get... :) I have to say i am really pleased with the results, good sharpness even at 2.8, good micro contrast and nice color rendition. The vignetting at 200mm/2.8 is quite heavy as matt mentioned but its not an issue for me and f4 ist much better already.
Thank you Jessica. I had made another comment. About Tamron making it possible for newbies or wannabees having a chance to get their foot in the door with the Tamron. It is hard enough putting together a pro kit or semi-pro kit these days. With that price and their foot in the door, they can actually start something which in turn will allow them to earn enough for top of the line- in time.
I have the Nikon 70-200, Sigma 70-200 OS, and Tamron 70-200 VC in for testing right now. Video will be posted within the next couple weeks :)
Will get the Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC next week for my 5D Mk III, really looking forward to test it out!
Thanks for another great video Matt!
Hi, How does it compare to the What about the Sigma 70-200 2.8? Thanks
Thanks for the info. I bought the Tamron 18-270 for a walk around lens and it is sweet. For the price it should be rated 11 out of 10. Picture quality is even better than I hoped it would be. Is it as good as and big dollar lens? No but is it sure sweet when you are out for the day.
I bought a secondhand camera and this was with it, I'am very happy wit the Tamron 70-200 2.8, super sharp
I've enjoyed all 4 of these, and I thank you for your work and time you invested in them. Personally, I have been leaning toward the Sigma, but now, having seen a lot about the Tamron, it gives me another lens to consider. It will likely take me another 6 months or so to get all "saved up" for the purchase, so maybe during that time you might be able to give some feedback on the Sigma. I'm a Canonite, so I probably will never buy a Nikon lens. However, your information is ALL valuable. Thanks
Excellent, that half point Tamron lost on focussing ring. I was just wondering if that should be grouped with build. It is design after all. And the vignetting in image quality, just another notch on PS to correct I think. In any case very clear what it what. Thanks.
An interesting anecdote of mine: The Canon EF-M 55-200 f4.5-6.3 IS STM that I have doesn't have any perceptible focus breathing, but the EF-s 55-250 f4-5.6 IS II does have a fair amount of it.
Thanks for the review Matt. You put so much thought and effort into your reviews and it shows.
I just got the sigma 70-200 f2.8 HSM OS, very good autofocus system and very Sharp at f4, build quality is very good, will be nice to see a compare against the Tamron
As a Nikon user I would only worry about the Nikor or Tamron lens but great review for both Camera companies and all three lens makers
Thanks Matt for several hours of effort for a 12 minute review, if not 8 hours of hard work
interesting vignetting rating on the Tamron. Sharper than the others, which would make you think higher image quality. I've seen the Canon has trouble with random colors being through the photos. Seems a little biased towards the big name lenses. Just my opinion though, I'll be getting the Tamron, has the same if not more to offer than the others (with a lesser build quality) and it's almost half the price.
depends really on you, hired the nikon f4 for a wedding of a friend recently. pluses not heavy, solid and sharp but was pretty disappointed with the lack of bokeh blur with it on the d700. think f2.8 really is better for me
I think your rating system is brilliant! Great job!
Thanks for an interesting review. As amateur/enthusiast, I would probably not go the expensive 2.8 Canon/Nikon lenses but would wonder whether to buy the Tamron 2.8 or the Nkon f4. Any suggestions?
This man make fine videos with precious models ! And i like it that way. Greetings from Finland.
What I didn't see you address was the focusing speed and accuracy between the three choices, my understanding is the Tamron can be a bit sluggish, maybe you can comment on this.
Hi Matt. I have a question but not related to lenses. Which do you prefer desktop for editing photos and videos.... 1) imac 2) dell xps 2720 3) lenovo horizon. Pls advice. Thanks.
Very interesting that the Canon 70-200 zooms IN as you focus closer, the Nikon and Tamron does the opposite.
I have the Tamron and use it on the D7000. love the lens. I have shot sports and portraits. quick to focus on moving objects and delivers good contrast
Anoop NC
I own Nikon d7500 and would like to purchase a 70 - 200mm 2.8 lens. Not being interested in wildlife and sports photography whether the lenses without image stabilisation is ideal for portrait photography especially when zooming to full?
I have used a EF 75-300 f4-5.6 MK 1 for 30 years from 1990 the film era The camera I have used it on is a lot,It now is used on My EOS1 D MK 4 I even have the original lens hood and Hoya UV filter and never worried about big apertures most long focal lengths what ever I always use F8 which is enough at this aperture most lenses have that sweet spot Some 30-40 years ago I was advised to use middle aperture and still do I will not buy a new lens or other equipment until it is only fit for the bin .
The EF 75-300 was and still is a damn good lens.
I own the 70-200 tamron and its not great for anything besides portraits. The Autofocus is not the best its slow and "clunky" compared to both the Canon and the Nikon. Its a superlens for low budgets but not great if its your soul and income. Just that you can pick up this and its smaller brother 24-70 VC for the same price as the canon or nikon is great for anyone that just want some fun. Whats your take on the focusing of the Tamron being only 50-150ish mm?
I'd probably hit up the f/4 - I can't seem to justify the 2.8 unless you're gonna go pro/absolutely need the low light. The VR on the F4 is also a generation ahead and offers an extra stop of compensation.
Your star system of using PRO and Enthusiasts is very practical, for me at least. I love image quality, but cannot recover cost from photography and will not "abuse" it in a daily basis. Thanks.
Canon's focus breathing issue is actually a huge bonus. On a fairly close portrait you are actually at 200 mm. On the others your subject will appear smaller and out of focus areas not as smooth
between sigma and tamrom, which is best ?, excluding macro function. tnks
Hello! Would you recomend the tamron 70-200 2.8 for my nikon d7100? What is the resulting focal length due to the crop factor?
Very pleased with your review.
Very fair.
A typical brilliant Matt Review!
Tony Northup focus breathing results are different. At minimum focus distance comparing Canon, Nikon, and Tamron 70-200mm lenses, only Canon is true 200mm and Nikon and Tamron are at 150mm. Canon give photographers a 50mm focal length / focus breathing advantage over both Nikon and Tamron.
Tony told that this works in case you focus on close objects. So Canon 70-200 is kinda macro telephoto.
Tony made his "tests" up based on hi personal work flow. At least he had guts to admit it. Many thumbs up to Tony.
It is the bozos out there that don't admit that their tests are pulled from their personal use (i.e. their butts), that make me sick.
I spent years aligning lasers and complex lens systems to do photochemistry at nanosecond time scales. Believe me, there is no definition of lens breathing.
Crocellian
Hi Matt, I really enjoy you channel, thank you. I have a question I already have the Canon 24 -70 F4. What do you think for general photos, landscape, portraits and some wildlife. A 100-400 or 70-200 F2.8 with a 2 times extender for the wildlife bit, I have a Canon 80D and the budget won’t stretch to both lenses, thanks again
Laurie
I really love how you broke down your rating and touched on the breathing and bokeh of the lenses. It's to bad you weren't able to get the Sigma up in the mix either way great video.
nice review
have you tested the tamron 70-200 with tamron or nikon 2X teleconverter ? i read some online reviews complaining that AF and VC didn't work on their cameras with the above setup even that they have new bodies which can AF till f/8.
Hmmm, what I look for is focusing speed mostly in those lenses. Even if you have the best sharpness but without the speed to focus the decisive moment you will have a very hard time especially shooting high speed sports. I traded my Tamron (excellent image) for a Canon simply because of this. Try it on a 1-series body and you'll see the difference right the way.
For portrait or anything that doesn't move much, I'd go for a prime which is much cheaper, sharper and brighter (aperture).
yes
Hi andeashun
I am also looking at buying the same tamron lens. Will you please share your experience about the vignetting. Would be nice to know if the effect shows on all the lenses from the same range.
thank you
Hi Matt in Aus the Sigma is 1085 on on sale and the Tamron is 1200 on sale from digitalcamera warehouse . Nikon out of my price range. Mt GF likes me taking photos of her equestrian cross country. I only had a 18-105 kit lents and it had difficulty on focusing solely on the rider and all pics were a bit soft. So I have decided to upgrade Whats The best for this ? Sigma or Tamron ?
I'd be really interested to know where the 70-200 f4 fits into the mix. Yeah you lose some light but value would have to be up there with the tamron... Another alternative for the enthusiast perhaps?
Hi Matt how does Tamron perform at 200mm f2.8 compare to other two? Also tell me is it capable for doing some semipro work like social events.
Many thanks
Hi Matt,
Really enjoyed this series! Overall, I appreciate your field-based approach, honesty, enthousiasm and humor (sometimes a bit quirky, but please stay true to yourself ;)
In part 3 you mentioned addressing the true focal range in your 4th video, as the Tamron in particular is rumored to have a 70-186mm true focal range. Unfortunately I missed this item in the 4th video.
Can you still elaborate? I 'm considering a fast 70-200mm zoom and your insight would really help.
Many thanks!
Totally agree about the inconsistent rating system but good test.
I was thinking about this a lot. With this it is settled, gonna upgrade to a 6D and the tamron. Thank you so much for your time and effort :-)
With my budget i'm considering to get used VR1 or the tamron - what do you suggest?
I would like to know what's up with this focus breathing contradiction between Tony and Matt. I've been in the market for a Nikon mount 70-200mm for a while now and I'm just not sure which way to go. Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8, the Tamron, or the Nikon f/4 version, which has no focus breathing issues. I know each lens has its pros and cons beyond focus breathing, but what's the leaning factor, price? Build quality? Ect... Any useful input would be appreciated.
Awesome review especially since you rated it in 2 different categories. I think for the majority of people they fall in the prosumer range and don't make a living off it their photos. The Tamron at over $1000 cheaper sure allows you to use that extra money to create a small studio or towards another lens.
The Canon 70-200 is superior lens 2.8 sharpest images
Read the reviews of this lens from actual owners on www.digilh.com/canon70-2002.8lens and see for yourself
(374 customer reviews 5 star ratings section)
Linda Malendse did you try both side to side? . I still have to make that test.
Linda Malendse I don't trust reviews from actual owners as they feel they have to justify their purchase, even if they don't realize it. Pro reviews say the Tamron is as good or better than Nikon or Canon.
tbcass I've had focus issues with Tamron and Sigma (mostly Sigma) but I'm excited to try this lens for the dollar savings. I have been very happy with my Tamron lenses, minus the necessary focal adjustment in the camera body.
This is really interesting - guys like Tony Northrup mention how much closer the Canon lens is at close 'tight headshot' lengths and looking at the focus breathing test you did - it appears that the canon is the only lens which magnifies the closer it focuses rather than de-magnifying (if that's the correct term). In the side by side comparison it's easy to see that the focus breathing is 'reversed' on the canon allowing a much tighter headshot.
Which one is the winner if you compare the Tamron 70-200 vs the Sigma 700-200 as those are the two that are really in my decision list and the two I could afford as an enthusiast/non-pro/hobbyist. thanks
Great review! I've been wanting to upgrade my f/4L 70-200 to a 2.8, but price has been the main obstacle. Your review, along with some others, has me thinking more along the line of the Tamron. I'd love to have a 2.8L II, but the difference isn't worth $1000 to me.
Tony northrup said that the canon doesn't have focus breathing. Very interesting that he missed this one. The focus breathing is interesting because only on the canon the closer you focus the more magnification you get. Tamron and nikon seem to have a different design.
This is why I prefer reviews that show you rather than list a spec without any evidence of the test. I love Tony's reviews but I think he dropped the ball on this one.
ocubex As with anyone's reviews you always gotta take them with a grain of salt. Tony has some great content but sometimes I don't agree with his opinions.
You also have to think about what kind of photography the reviewers are usually into. Wedding, birds, nature, landscapes, it all plays into the bias the reviewer has.
Interesting vid. These comparisons are very helpful, Matt Granger. And your model is incredibly beautiful.
Not every kind of fix can be changed and/or fix can be done in post processing. Most of the one considered the best photographer will only do adding a watermark and noise reduction in order to stay true to the photo.
You mention the Tamron has not so good vignetting, would that be less noticeably on a DX camera?
You are right. It has to be at least 4.375 to be rounded to 4.5 (When rounding to the nearest quarter) . So the rating for the nikkor is 4.25.
Personally I think it is as good as the canon
I noticed the Canon seems to focus a lot closer (well I'm assuming so by the greater blur). Could this be one of the causes for the larger focus breathing? Does it really breath that much more if you focus between two identical differences between lenses rather than just closest and furthest?
..shot with the Canon & Tamron. The Tamron is sharper. Of course copies, AFs, MA all factors in but at the end Tamron is a game changer. It does the same or better job as the Canon for much less & instead of spending on a label & white paint I can spend on lights and other important stuff. The vignetting is there but LR automatically fix it.
I'd like to see zoom lenses rated on the feel of the zoom ring, along with all of your other criteria. You mention the focus ring. Many lenses have a smooth zoom ring that you can turn with one finger. This is true of the Canon lenses I own, but not for the Tamron 24-70. I considered returning that lens because of the stiff zoom ring.
to what camera is this guy attaching these lends? The color configuration for Nikkon seems to be corrupted.
which camera did you used for shooting with Nikon 70-200 2.8 VR 2 ? please replay ..
He was shooting on a Nikon D800 body. He said it at roughly 4:34 seconds.
I just pulled the trigger and brought the Tamron, large in part from your vids. What I would have liked to have seen (very difficult I know) is the Tamron rated against Nikkor and Canon V1 versions. Seeing as though one might be skeptical to buy Tamron because its third party, people may consider older just because its brand. this would give them an idea if its worth it to go old brand or new third party... If that makes sense..
This is interesting, the Canon actually looks like it "breathes longer" when focusing close while the others actually show less overall change to shorter lengths?
Bad weather weekend coming, time for some test shooting with my Nikon ☺
I have the Tamron 24-70 and it is an awesome lens. I think I will go for the Tamron in the 70-200 but I am just wondering about extension tubes, will this lens be compatible with Canon tubes?
Hi, I have a queston about the Tamron, I've been looking at some videos in RUclips and there's a problem that caight my eye, some people claim that there is a play between the body and the lens that can actually make the camera have a false contact with the lens, did you experiment something like that?, if so, does tamron offers a solution for it?
Thank you very much.
Best regards.
What would you choose between the Nikon 70-200 f/2,8 VR (first version) and the tamron / sigma? Looking to buy a second hand Nikon, rather than the sigma / tamron.
Matt, you rock and I love your videos and really appreciate all the info you supply. However, I loath this new jazz background track you've added to your recent videos. haha
could you do a video on how to change the color settings on your nikon to make it look more like a canon does out of the camera? I've already invested a lot into nikon, and I love it, and I do love the editing process...BUT sometimes, clients want that punchy more "edited" look in the middle of the shoot to give them confidence.
Newbie question but the vig problems the Tamron has on a full frame would pretty much disappear on a crop sensor right? I shoot a 60D and desperately need something with a constant aperture since I shoot motorsports (drifting mostly) and am changing focal length as I pan my shots
Vignetting should be almost non-existent and is correctable anyway, keep in mind you need to multiply by 1.6 though since your a Canon owner - I guess thats good since you're shooting long distance autosports stuff.
Hi. I have just begun photography with a Canon 700D. Currently I have the 55-250mm kit lens. It's very slow though. The auto focus takes its own sweet time. Which other telephoto would you suggest on my crop sensor? Also, how fast would the auto focus be compared to the kit lens again keeping in mind my crop sensor camera body ?
+Sarthak Agarwal Tamron SP 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di VC USD, you can find it used on B&H for 300 (9 out of 10)... see Matt review about this lense as well.
+Sarthak Agarwal
I have the 70D and the 55-250 STM, and that combination is amazingly fast when there is light enough. In low light a 2.8 lens will always be faster - that's what you are paying for.
Can i ask, If you shot the Canon and the Tamron from the same point at the same focal range , ie, 200mm , would you get a identical area of coverage ? I ask because i have seen a video where the Canon is tighter at 20mm than the Tamron which is slightly wider so you would have to move in slightly to get the same result... Thanks !
Brilliant review Matt - I like your scoring system. Thank you for doing this - I look forward to more reviews.
Is it possible to do a which manufacturer makes the best 70-200 F/4? Because i find it unlikely that many beginning photographers can go the F/2.8 route unless they go for pre-owned lenses.
This may be a long shot but if u are able to, can you compare the sigma and tamron 70-200? this would be highly appreciated.
Awesome video Matt lije always and the rating system is a great idea. To bad you couldn't get the sigma one. what if you do alternative systems on your next 70-200 showdown?
superb videos! I really think this is groundbreaking stuff and I know its been out there for a while but sure hope to see more of this videos. congratz and wish you the best in the future!
First and foremost I want to thank you Matt for these videos. Secondly, I just purchased the Tamron and I think it's the best bang for buck. Thanks Matt
Excellent and very fair comparison!!
hey does this tamron VC (latest) 70-200 lens zooms to 200mm or it's 150mm?
Please Matt what is this models name? I asked before in the other video about tele converters.
What about the Sigma 70-200 2.8. I've been searching for a focus breathing test and have yet to find one. So far Canon has the rest beat. Im wondering what sigma looks like. For the price it could be a steal. Do you have any info on that ?
Is US $ 1600 a good price for nikon 70 200 VR ii lens, today in 2016. Mint condition inside box and all that. almost new. not sure when Nikon might bring an upgrade for this lens. Thanks!
Great review, thanx
please do comparison between the tamron 70-200 f2.8 vc and the sigma 70-200 f2.8 os.
Love the rating scale of the lenses. lol. Man that was a GREAT idea! I for one appreciate how much thought you put into giving people practical information.
Just looking at the thumbnail image: Tamron shirt is whiter and leaves are greener in the background; Canon has a slight red(?) tinge; Nikon looks a bit blue(?)...