Thank you so much am 82 all my life as a witness till 2020 at 80 walked away . Your message was powerful and correct . I too have grown spiritually so much by reading and prayer with GODS WORD . many blessings to you 🌻💝🙏🙏🙏
You have just blown my mind that you made that decision at 80! Amazing. 🎉 Keep walking with God and He will show you so much just from reading His Word. You’ve really inspired me. 😊 I pray my family let go of their pride and seek God from a pure heart despite my parents being also older in years.
A very courageous ideal! I applaud your steadfastness to the REAL truth! So happy that your eyes were opened. Wish you the best my dear. May you be blessed!
Excellent brilliant points! I've been disfellowshipped since I was 18 years old in 1989 and I'm still disfellowshipped shunned by my family, parents, my only sibling, and childhood friends. I'm now 52 years old, never been reinstated, my father's now an elder in the Jehovah's Witness organization, and both are my parents are in their 70s. It still hurts and is very traumatizing even now to be cut off treated like I'm dead. Disfellowshipping and shunning is inhumane and is a vindictive tactic. In my case I was a regular pioneer when I was disfellowshipped and baptized at age 14, the elders disfellowshipped me to make an example out of me and refused to reinstate me for over 30 years out of personal vendetta. Thank you so very much for your beautiful well informed video. God bless you tremendously!
Well that is sad . They truly will RECEIVE a huge judgment from GOD . My daughters 2 eldest stopped talking to me even though I was a witness because I would not abandon my other daughter who was like the black sheep . Off course now I am out they especially don't want contact with me . Very good info on Borean Pickets about organization sueing group off ex JWS in Spain amazing case . Think a great TSUNAMI is starting to overtake the organization . Justice will.come . Many blessings to you.
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That's similar to my story been out 40 years 62 now, I gave up and rightfully so the system is rigged against us I wish I knew all this when I was 15 not to worry just try to live a clean life on your own it's not easy but the older you get the better go to AA meetings they never turn you out if you relapse the brotherhood there is the same as any congregation just go meet new people.
When one of my friends was shunned, he called me. My JW robotic brain told him to not call me again. Many years later, I ran into him and he told me that he almost committed suicide when I told him that I would no longer be his friend. That woke me up!
@@p1consulting285 elders use world class knowledge of psychology to influence people with triggers, to increase mental illness to individuals. Shame. Humiliation. Emotional abuse. Psychological abuse. Social isolation. Where and who do elders get trained from??? GB Elders are given the right to judge. Problem. People aren't good judges because they're imperfect and make bad judges. We know from the scriptures people weren't good judges then either or kings etc This is why so many people experienced mental illness because of JW religion. It's power and influence. They have power over people because they know how people work, tick etc Endel tulving wrote the book about semantic and episodic memory. Elders are taught the deep inner workings of the mind and how that affects people. That coupled with their right to judge makes them very dangerous people...
I am glad to see lots of people waking up from the JWs nightmare. Congratulations to you and many that are trying to leave. Standup against the wrong teachings of the Watchtower.
You have some very good observations, and I absolutely LOVE your attitude! I was raised a witness and left over 20 years ago. Our family was very prominent in the JW community. I never disassociated myself because I didn't want to be the one to close the door on the people I had known and loved all my life. Of course few ever talked to me willingly after I stopped attending because I was a "bad associate", but I still greet the witnesses I know. I was even able to have lunch this past summer with the man who married my wife and me. So many Witnesses are genuinely kind people, in spite of being Jehovah's Witnesses. My heart goes out to them because most are so misled. Others, like my father, are too entrenched and feel trapped.
You will have many of them left broken as the organisation crumbles so expect to have lots of work consoling them! Bless your kind heart and love for them. Yes they are simply deceived. ❤
Excellent points. I will pray that your family and friends realize as you did, that the organization is just a group of men and nothing to do with God. And that they will join you in the light of day and begin thinking clearly for themselves in the love of Him.
I believe the organisation will gradually be fully exposed and leadership will end up despised by everyone on the streets. Unless they repent. Likely they will be about as responsive as the Pharaoh of Egypt whose heart was hardened prior to his destruction!
I really don’t think people understand that as a JW you can only associate and build relationships with friends in family who are ONLY JW’s. When you are Disfellowshipped and shunned you are left to survive on your own. Some of us don’t make it. Everything you have ever known or love is ripped away!
Yes - it’s all intentional to trap people. It gives the elders almost unlimited power over the lives of others. To pull the plug and destroy a life - overnight. Men that are often of low education, with no training to speak of and certainly never police checked… the criteria for selection as elder being obedience to rules and policies made up by the Governing Body and whoever was on the Service desk in 1950. You couldn’t make this up if you tried! Orwellian in the extreme.
Lovely clear explanation. Excellent. May help to explain to non witnesses why certain things happen and why the number of suicides among witnesses or witness-associated people is so high.
This message is a huge blessing to me. I am not a JW, but I have a close family member who is and I have been praying for many years that my family member would wake up and see the truth about the JW cult, and, that it is possible for them to come out of the cult and into a real relationship with Jesus our Savior. I know so many ex-JW’s decide to turn away from God and any organized religion once they are out.
Yes, survival of the ‘organisation’ is placed as highest priority - the JW leadership are happy to sacrifice people’s lives to that end. Anything to stop people from seeing through their lies and manipulation… and lose their position of power and influence.
This organization is too big and has too much wealth to go away. Since you have woken you have probably looked at things so much differently and wonder how you ever believed in it to begin with. With that experience in mind, can you see how powerful this mind control is and that many will never awaken no matter what? We are somewhat lucky in the sense that circumstances that came together allowed us to look deeper. The Jehoovians do not like using the word lucky but in my case it was circumstances that came together which made me feel I deserved to look into the organization further which ended up being a positive result for me and hopefully anyone I can warn away from them. About twenty years ago a woman I worked with gave me some papers about the trinity which she believed in. John 1:1 in the NWT translates "a god" and used a bible scholar to show they were right in doing so. The papers showed that a god is not correct according to the scholar JWs were using. In fact it pissed the scholar off so much he sent a letter and demanded them to quit using his work and he wanted a public apology. As it turns out the work showed nothing to support the trinity either but I wondered if they were still misquoting that scholar. Mantey is his last name if you want to look it up. Anyway they were still putting out literature misquoting him after they had received the letter. This is very interesting because they needed him very badly for a scholarly quote on this to cover up their previous source. Look it up. Anyway I didn't know about that stuff until recently but I did see how they were deliberately lying and deceiving their members. I did nothing with the info but I didn't trust them anymore. A couple of years ago my mother got sick and may have been in need of a blood transfusion so I started looking it up on the internet. Holy crapoly was I shocked about the information readily available now. I don't think there is any end to how wrong this organization is in everything they do and say. That woman planted a seed with me of distrust that she didn't even intend to that years later ended up allowing me to dive in deeper which I wouldn't have otherwise.
*Thanks for sharing this! It is very kind to share your experience. Spirituality is now fun and beautiful after leaving. I had your first heal though.*
We were born-ins. My sister disassociated herself and my younger brother was DF'D years ago. I never got baptized. My older brother is an Elder, the last I heard. I quit going to meetings about 5 or more years ago. I think I've been DF'D anyway. My rabidly devoted mother blocked me on her phone. I think she'd only do that if it came from the podium. She and my (now deceased) father would do whatever they tell them!!!! Speaking of suicide, I have thought alot about that lately, partly because of this cult and how I'm being treated. My SIL is the best at listening to me and talking me down. She's never been a Witness, thank god! She's a blessing for sure!!!
Dear Bekah, I am praying for you. I am so glad you have your SIL to offer you comfort. I hope you can find a support group. "The LORD is near the brokenhearted." Ps. 34:18
I’m sorry you have this to deal with. Life is worth living and fighting for! Please seek professional help, counselling. You can email me on faithopefuture@gmail.com and I can direct you to counsellors that understand the JW context.
Why would they treat you like that if you're not baptized ? Dont you have to be baptized to be DFd ? Any how hope things are getting better. I left the congregation 6 yrs ago.
18:52 glad you are doing well and thriving despite the despicable treatment that the cults show in their true nature like you said the shunning process is a form of public execution.
"confess sins to one another", that's what it says, yes, not to elders. I believe each point you said and worked out the same before we left in 2017. It's nice to know I'm not going mad.. haha I came to the same conclusions myself by reading the Bible at home. Same. Not by countless hours listening to egotistical men spout from the platform. Yes blood is on the elders' hands. Yes it is. They are guilty as hell.
"Going along with such things as disfellowshiping is an indication of how much someone knows God" very true. I couldn't go along with it even when I was a JW
It stopped me from getting baptized because I didn't want to be df'd. I felt like ignoring a df'd person was acceptable because everyone did it. Including me. Deep down, I knew it was messed up to treat anyone in such an Unchristian way.
I can tell you were a sister that was very loved by the congregation. You make great points and are very likeable. Enjoying your videos. You're definitely a great help with your content.
Your comments at around 15 minutes in, actually struck me with a powerful point. You said something along the lines of "how cruel it is to believe that any person or group of persons can cut you off from God." "We do not have that kind of power!" How very true sister! It made me recall the Apostle Paul's words to the Romans at Romans 8: 33-39. I just gleaned a new perspective actually reading the context of a scripture I've read verbatim for over 50 years! Paul wrote, "Who will file accusations against God's chosen ones? God is the one that declares them righteous,......and Christ is the one who pleads for us.......For I am convinced that neither death not life, nor angels, nor governments,..nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God' s love that is in Christ Jesus,"........ So these abusive elders can stick it where the sun doesn't shine; because Jehovah knows the heart of a person, and so does his Son, the Christ. So Paul again condemned the brothers for setting themselves up as judges over their brothers and sisters over petty and personal matters of conscience, at Romans 14: 10, "Why do you judge your brother, or look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgement seat of God." Very informative and reasonable talk, there sister! Not to mention that you're really cute too! 😉 As a former elder and instructor of ministry schools for 26 years; I appreciate our sisters who are able to think critically, and use their powers of reason, as exhorted at Romans 12: 1. I was unscripturally shunned by elders who think that they can stand between me and my God Jehovah. Or between me and my family. Guess who wins? They have no idea of how much strength God has given me during this period of readjustment and waking up to organizational corruption! 😆 Just wait and see what happens soon. 😊
Praise the Lord! You heard the real voice of God and have escaped the dungeon that has so many people trapped and isolated from everyone outside of the Watchtower Society's control! The practice of shunning that they teach is so far from the heart of God, but remember Luke 18:29-30 let's us know that we won't really be alone. I am so glad to have come across your video because I have been saddened to see such a high percentage of XJW videos of people who decided to go atheist or agnostic after escaping the grigs of this errant organization. May my God supply all your needs according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus!!!
Yes when Witnesses leave and become atheist or agnostic the organisation wins. Because it is designed and exists to destroy people with kingdom potential. It’s very sad. Some I believe over time will be restored. Others… God was never real. Faith is a gift. And not everyone has it, or wants it.
Thank you very much for your insight into shunning it is unloving not call for you have very good points about it I've never been a witness but I've studied with them and I disagree totally for what they are saying all they care about is money that is their god thank you again take care
Excellent point it’s counter productive when I was dissed I felt relief. I went to a memorial about 3 years ago after being kicked out for 13 years I sat down for a few minutes and my spirit said “Get up and leave it’s was like god was telling me this isn’t for you. Now I see after years and years of blessing gods love is unwavering not dependent on going to the Kingdom Hall . Excellent video thanks for sharing
I’m so happy you got that confirmation to stay well clear of the kingdom hall. There is nothing in the Bible that says we must belong to an organisation to be saved or need such as an intermediary. The only mediator we need is Jesus Christ and confessing faith in him saves. Bless you, thank you for watching!
I used to feel uncomfortable when the householder spoke about Jesus. It's all Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah in the hall. So much so that at my mum's funeral the brother forgot and gave his last prayer in the name of Jehovah!!!!😮
Yes isn’t that interesting! I believe there is a reason they focus on ‘Jehovah’ - because the name of Jesus saves and should rightly be the focus for Christians - and the hidden agenda of the organisation is to keep people apart from Jesus. They are very effective at it! Once I realised it my days in the organisation were numbered.
Such amazing points. The GB have thoroughly entered into darkness. They certainly don’t reflect the love of the Father and the Son. When Jesus was here he made a distinction between the religions of authority and the religion of the Spirit. The religions of authority crave power and control over the people. They take away their free will and insist dogmatically that their adherents follow their doctrine or else. Of course as you related there are religions severe in their thinking that shock those that never grew up in a dystopian religion that actually despise the people. The religion of the Spirit is the religion of our Father. He sends fragments of himself to live in our hearts/minds to teach us to do the will of God. There isn’t as much certainty as there are with dogmatic, controlling, authoritarian religions, but though the direction of the Spirit may not be as certain as those that dogmatize beliefs, the Father fragments say take my hand and trust me. And through my love I will guide you to the home of the Father on the Paradise Isle. The Father fragments are here to transform our hearts and souls to see as the Father sees. To see everyone through the eyes of love. And contrary to the ugly, dystopian way that the GB views their adherents, our Father at the center of all things loves us each one as if we were the only child in all of creation.
I love the way you phrase this - yes may those ‘Father fragments’ - the love of God, his heart - replace the death dealing hatred and poison planted in people by JW teachings and shunning practices. We are each judged on how we treat others so it violates God’s clear commandment to love your neighbor. Blind guides indeed!
You are such a loving and kind hearted woman, Faith, Hope, Future. We are all like the walking wounded. Beaten up by a cult. And tossed away like yesterday’s garbage. But your love is like a healing salve. An ointment applied to the heart that exudes a pleasant odor. This is the love that the Father and the Son gave you dear one. And you are giving that love away freely to all of your brethren. Our Father looking down from heaven, is proud to have you as his daughter. For the healing salve of your heart is gathering the broken hearted and leading them back to the Father through your love.
I feel exactly the same as you do Jude v 2 May mercy and peace and love be increased to you. 💗💖 Good for you that God is guiding you and Jesus is helping show you the way! We may not know each other but you have gained a brother for sure ⭐💙🙋🥰🤗 You'll never be alone 🙏 They are cruel very very much and they don't acknowledge it because of religious organisational bureaucracy and being brainwashed to that. You ever need a friend don't hesitate to reach out 🙋💙⭐🕊️🫂
There is a clarification. It does not have to be a gross sin to be kicked out. It can be that you don't agree with them or you have scriptures to support what you say or you can quote their own material back to them, they can and do still kick you out. They have their parishioners convinced that only "unrepentant" people are kicked out. One does not get this until they are put through it.
My mothers sister was JW as was her whole family .We called her crazy behind my moms back. She arranged her daughters wedding to a Gay man. poor girl to this day she is living a life of hell. My aunt died because she refused blood during an operation. her whole family is very strange and very dysfunctional. So glad you got out. totally dysfunctional people.
I have this theory that only vulnerable and damaged people are drawn to even becoming Witnesses. If you are healthy, well adjusted and succeeding in life why would you jeopardise that? Definitely a self-selecting group. 😔
IAOSHUA said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - Jn 14:6 “All have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him. “Come to Me, all you who labour and are burdened, and I shall give you rest. - Mt 11:27,28
I was treated like crap since my nervous breakdown 3 months ago, I've noticed they would avoid me and not talk to to me anymore, one member told me they were told to cut me off and not to talk or be around me. Another member belittled we don't want poor mental Ill person in our congregation. I called them out saying so you say your not judgemental people but you attack me caused I have mental health issues. I rounded up everything that was tied to jw even my suits tossed it in a pile in my garden set it ablaze burned it up.
This is so shocking yet I can completely believe it happened to you. My advice is cut yourself off completely with a disassociation letter if you are in a position to do it. And to think Witnesses proudly claim they fulfill the verse about ‘having love among themselves’ but reality is they are often ‘ravenous wolves’ out to destroy individuals instead of build up.
Studied with JW for sometime. Could always sense the sales pitch behind the teachings. Also had the feeling that a baptism with them was more being baptised into serving their system than dedicating yourself God
2 Chronicles 7:17 “And you, if you walk before me as your father David walked by doing everything I have commanded you, and you obey my regulations and my judgments, 18 then I will establish the throne of your kingship, just as I made a covenant with your father David, saying, ‘There will never fail to be a man of your line ruling over Israel.’ 19 But if you turn away and forsake my statutes and my commandments that I have put before you and you go and serve other gods and bow down to them, 20 I will uproot Israel from my land that I have given them, and this house that I have sanctified for my name I will cast out of my sight, and I will make it an object of scorn and a cause for ridicule among all the peoples. 21 And this house will become heaps of ruins. Everyone passing by it will stare in amazement and will say, ‘Why did Jehovah do that to this land and this house?’ 22 Then they will say, ‘It was because they abandoned Jehovah the God of their forefathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and they embraced other gods and bowed down to them and served them. That is why he brought all this calamity on them.’” Jehovah “disfellowshipped“ Israel because they continued to have a disobedient heart. Many things one is disfellowshipped for in the congregation was actually a death penalty under the Law covenant through Moses. Many times it involved stoning a sinner to death. The parents were the first to throw the stone. Actually disfellowshipping today is a form of discipline that is to the sinner giving them time to and repent and turn around so as to be welcomed back into the congregation. Family members of those disfellowshipped continue to love in their hearts The disfellowshipped one, and wish them to return to Jehovah.
Nice mis-interpretion of scripture. Jesus would be horrified by the shunning you do. You can attempt to justify it all you want, but it is not a loving arrangement in any shape or form. The Watchtower society is the newest form of the pharisees denying the love of Jesus. Why do you abhor critical thought and searching for real truth? Truth don't mind scrutiny, but lies will not stand. Go peddle your lies and mis-interpatations somewhere else.
Jim.... Nothing you said can be found in scripture. Shunning is an exercise in emotional manipulation, not meant to bring the "repentant" back to "Jehovah" but back into the confines of the cult, where there is no "independent thinking." Those who have left Watchtower are now on the OUTSIDE. "I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did NOT mean with the sexually immoral PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolators, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a BROTHER, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are OUTSIDE? Do you not judge those who are inside? But THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE GOD JUDGES. Therefore, "put away from yourselves the evil person." 1.Cor.5:9-13 Watchtower hasn't gotten one thing right so far. None of the teachings from Watchtower can be found in scripture. Watchtower is a bad tree, bearing bad fruit, fit only for fire, the LORD has already laid axe to root. Watchtower will not survive the assault from the Armies of the LORD, no, a house divided will not stand.
@JimGordon where in Isaiah 55:7 or James 5:14,15 does it say anything about harsh punishment towards those that sin? …. James mentions that “oil will be poured onto the sinners head and his sins will be forgiven by the elders” when in reality it’s the complete opposite! Elders don’t help all they do is shun and isolate the sinner… you can deny it all you want but that ain’t loving at all, real love is when you run to the elders for help and they actually HELP you with you problem instead of judging and shunning. Like I said those scriptures encourage forgiveness and say nothing about ostracizing the person.
@@Jeron_Benton i candy park for all elders. To say a blanket statement implying all elders only want to disfellowshipped is false. I know for fact it pains them to do such and it is only after really trying to reach person who is not responsive that the decision. But I don’t expect you to believe that. You are anti-JW.
@@jwjim wrong again buddy!! When I got disfellowshipped the elders were more then happy to shun me even AFTER I repented and turned around from my previous lifestyle. Elders are just mere men pretending to have gods backing on judicial matters and not to mention the hundreds if not thousands that have committed suicide from all the shunning - explain that to the families of the deceased souls that took their own life from being shunned.
Persons leaving the WBTS should never accept being shunned by the Society. Instead they should consider that they are shunning the society by making social connections elsewhere. And when the Elders tell you that they want your disfellowshipping letter, tell them that they must first submit theirs to you.
Its very important to disassociate yourself if you are leaving if at all possible as the legal tie remains and therefore you remain under the spiritual authority of the WTBS. Whether you like it or not that is how its seen by the spirit realm. If you were ever a baptised JW member that is. Evidence speaks for itself as those who simply fade remain tethered. It holds one back. Important to realise this as much as you may mentally reject it all.
I’ve often wondered about that. Since I was baptized at 14years old I figured it didn’t really count because I was a minor. I faded when I was in my early 50’s, but I believe tethers and soul ties are real. I did tell my ex sister-in-law whomI really liked that I no longer identified as a JW and just recently erased everyone’s number from my phone who hasn’t contacted me in the last 7 years. I hope that’s enough because I really don’t feel like being triggered by their nonsense.
@@faithhopefuture There is no legal tie. There is no legally enforceable contract. You may have signed their commitment statement, but it's not a contract under law.
Faith I think you are beautiful. But the fact is as soon as you stop going to meetings and show that you disagree with what you’ve been taught all you’re life even if no official action has been taken against you, you are dead to them.
Oh I disassociated myself as soon as and knew the consequences full well! But I could not uphold falsehood and its all refuse to me like Paul said. I left it behind.
All great points. It's important to remember that Adam, Eve, Satan etc call come from a book written by men approx 2700 years ago. This is one book about human origins / God. There are several earlier books about human origins / God. Homo sapiens have been around for about 190,000 years.
I love that i’ve heard recently that even active Jehovah’s Witnesses, believe they do not disfellowshipped minors. And never have this is hysterical because I was disfellowshipped as a minor and when I bring this up, they say I was a liar or I made it up or never a JW. How do they know this when they’ve never met me. I love the twists that come with this false religion a.k.a. a cult.
Yes its a cult and local elders have mostly carte blanche to do whatever the hell they like with people’s lives. The results are frightening and yes, as the Norwegian authorities - ‘placed by God’ according to Romans 13 - recently identified, it becomes a breach of basic human rights not to mention dignity.
God has the right to judge and make life and death decisions. We do not have that authority. Neither should we twist scripture to fit sth it doesn’t say.
im a jw. the principal you are talking about here is "if you draw close to jehovah, he will draw close to you" but if you draw away and sin, he will draw away. so not quite what your advocating but i get where your coming from. i'm merely stating that i see if from your point of view, but i understand the deeper meaning. If however, one of my family memebrs was disfellowshiped, and i had to "shun" them as you describe,,, i may be disfellowshipped myself becasue i love my familly so much. its a hard place to be in. i can see you struggling to talk about it. much love x
So its not true that God draws away if we sin because Jesus blood now covers our sins. Romans 8:1 says there is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus. We merely need to pray for forgiveness on that basis. JW teaching on how the blood applies and covers us is incomplete with emphasis on works and earning salvation which is impossible and a return to legalism, essentially Judaism. Paul wrote on this when he spoke of such actions placing a person back under the law and making what Jesus did thus empty. Hopefully my video demonstrates clearly that Disfellowshipping and shunning as practiced by Jehovah’s Witnesses is demonic in nature & origin - there is no other way to describe it. Satan delights in inflicting pain and suffering, God does not force anyone with emotional blackmail of losing family connections to serve him because he upholds free will. To do so is warped. It’s inexcusable. And twists the minds of JWs into a path that leads to destruction and the abyss - which as Jesus said is not limited to fallen spirits but also for judgement of men. - Matt 25:41
I was disfellowshipped for apostasy. I.e. denying that the wt bible and tract society is Gods sole channel of bible truth on earth today. IT IS NOT KIND. CAN YOU IMAGINE Jesus shunning ??????????? I REST MY CASE.
Reduce contact or cut contract? Those are quite different. Reduce implies you have contact just not as much. But contact means you no longer have contact what so ever. Which one?
If JWs are obedient to ‘the slave’ they cut all contact and even ignore phone calls as I vividly recall shown just a few years ago in a convention video. Parents proudly ignoring a call from their own flesh and blood daughter. Can you imagine Jehovah ever ignoring someone calling out to him? Of course not. Also we are not to fight flesh and blood but unseen forces like the demon entity JW spirit that fuels the organisation in reality. Many deliverance ministries pray out this entity from exWitnesses to release its demonic hold. It is a real thing. A religious spirit. I bind it in you jwjim in Jesus name so you can see light. Amen. 🙏
Although JW org insists on this its because they want to distract people from the fact that it is the name of JESUS that saves. Not any other name. Interestingly YHWH is used in the Old testament interchangeably of God and Jesus. So in some instances it can only be in reference to Jesus, not Father. This whole debate is therefore sort of pointless, a distraction. They are one.
When has God used coercion and emotional blackmail to force people to serve him? During the duration of the entire old testament! Without the rod, the sword, or threats, Yahweh of armys would have no followers.
What disgraceful treatment of a fellow human being. How families can participate in this treatment of other family members is beyond all comprehension. This is a cult mentality. Jesus did not practice shunning, indeed he mixed freely with sinners. We all sin and baptism will not save you, only the blood of Jesus Christ, He died was buried and rose again on the third day. God's standard is sinless perfection so only the blood of Jesus would do to pay for all sin. Salvation is a gift from God, it cannot be earned and it cannot be lost and is eternal. Ephesians 2:8&9 & John 3 :16. No one is beyond the grace of God Almighty no matter what you have done or are still doing. Go to Him as you are and believe that Jesus paid for all sin. Love to you all xxx
I agree on all points except that salvation cannot be lost because it can, by those who sin against the Holy Spirit. (Matt 12:31) However that is thankfully an exceptional circumstance, and more relevant for individuals with deep prophetic walks operating in miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit so not sth to be too concerned about for majority.
It's always a REASON why people don't like you! Most of the time it's mainly by their EXPECTATIONS of you. Many expect others to think as they do. Many expect you to do things as they do. Many expect you to fall in line with their zone of things that will make them happy or better off chasing after them calling them it being one sided. They want you to always agree what they agree on. Always being RIGHT over you can sway you to do things to make them happy instead of your self and family and soon as you piss them off they walk away continue on as if you never existed IT'S WHEN WE DON'T ALLOW THAT from them is when the HATE comes. If a child can't have his way or get what they want they have a tantrum right then and there and get MAD at the person that isn't complying trying to bust them in the head with a toy. Many of us experience that behavior from different age levels of the people around us never dealing with that to improve themselves getting self control, learning respect, understanding in situations like that. So when they get denied, told "No", or can't have what they want out the situation that same mentality comes out age 15, 21, 30, 45, 79 facing rejection. And depending on how bad this person want that OPPORTUNITY of yours for themselves and how they may view "you" as not important, don't care what you want or may think or your outcome. They will try to take it, they will try to remove you or whomever in their way and most of the time they are not playing fair. They are willing to destroy you if needed to get what they want out the situation. That is what it is why so many people hate other people attacking them because they are in their way stopping them from having what they are after or wanting in that situation. It's often always being in that situation with alot of people you meet in your life. People get mad at the simplest, smallest things quick to walk away out of your life. If they want something bad enough they will not hold back of trying to get it from you. Starting off behind your back you don't even have a clue they plotting and scheming on you and BAM you find out and they begin showing that HATE openly and out for that jugular vein doing this to you, that to you abusing police, courts, friends, step-kids turning folk against you. You being like wow!! Don't I have that right to have my own family with my spouse and our children without you wanting to come and raise our children as you desire in your jw religion grand ma. We doing something different over here baptist why are you attacking us, why bringing drama to our household, why are you trying to ruin and destroy our family keeping us from enjoy our own lives as we have that right too. Nobody interfered with you raising your 4 children why you causing problems for my wife and I? So people just expect you to fall in line with their ways and beliefs when you don't they begin the tantrum behind closed doors and begin their attack trying to ruin you as that child trying to buss you in the head with their doll or truck being denied that snack or outside playground. It's sad but it's truth and reality. Many of us lose alot of friends and family behind this wanting our opportunities for themselves to control and benefit off of instead of us the rightful entitled. So when they storm off whether they succeed at taking your step-kids away from your household by manipulation and abuse of the court system they think they defeated you!!! In truth they ruined a family, messed up your kids minds causing issue for them in later years turning them against their parent, siblings, step-parent. All because they trying to impress a jw org to please it's leaders and they failed to convert them having the opportunity as they failed their own children converting them. So it's just HATE pushed on a non close family everybody divided can't even stay in communication carrying ongoing hate wanting to control your adult child children and run their family. You didn't win but cemented your judgement day to be ask you why did you do what you did causing all those problems and issues for your daughter and her family. I was trying to please you GOD trying to save my grandchildren i felt they didn't have what it take to raise their own children together as they wanted. I wanted their opportunity myself. Ms R you literally destroyed your daughters family to get that chance and didn't care on all you caused for them removing 4 of 6 of their children by deception caused separation, hardship, struggle, $$$ loss of a happy family they were before you decided to try to please your religion leadership. And after all that 2016 you come to the hospital telling her doctors not to give her blood transfusions having 2 infections from chemo almost dying. You caused her and her spouse to separate for 4 years previous out of state from each other. I brought her spouse back in 2016 to her to save his spouse life knowing you was trying to please and use your religion leaders and their policies. He saved your daughters life you almost ended it! So all this other stuff you brought on her family since 2003 bringing extreme problems and hardships just because you trying to please your religious leaders. Then in 2023 you come after another child of your daughter behind her parents back sending her a train ticket without their knowledge so you can try to force her into your religion to impress those same religious leaders to bring further hurt and pain, sadness to your adult daughter and family trying to further ruin them. 4 out of their 6 and her spouse kids You did alot to your daughter's and their family's over the decades trying to please your religion org leaders. So you EXPECT me to bless you, send you on to paradise/heaven, be proud happy for you on all you did to your own daughter's you had plenty times to repent do what was right but continued on following foolishness you wasn't following me never had my spirit in you I never knew you and it's no place for you here Ms R! someone is here to speak to you! Your son in law **** Ms B I forgiven you for all the damage you caused for my family!!! We survived it I ask GOD ALMIGHTY if he can give you a chance to save you from going to that lake of fire. That you will repent from all your previous sins and show your daughter you was sorry and want to make up in heaven being a mother, friend, respecting her spouse, being a grandmother respecting your daughters household. ****** I know you are a sincere child of mines and really mean well so I will grant you your request in saving Ms R from the fate she has brought on her life. ******* you will remain on earth with your wife and children till your time to come and MS R time is now so down the road you all will unite in Heaven given you that chance to be the family you all should of been on earth.
When Satan and the angels he got to turn from Jehovah, sinned, Jehovah disfellowshipped them. 2 Peter 2:4 says; “Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” They were not allowed spiritual association or even taking part in angelic gatherings. Job 1:6 has Satan entering a meeting of angels, each taking their station. Satan though has no station there. He was an intruder.
Please do not accredit Satan with such powers as to intrude Heaven. Witnesses elevate and magnify the enemy continually attributing him power he doesn’t have thus revealing their dark roots while ignoring Jesus position which is also God / divine in nature according to scripture and way above ‘an archangel’. Hebrews 1:4 ‘having become as much superior to angels, since He has inherited a more excellent and glorious name than they [that is, Son-the name above all names].’ AMP If Satan was allowed to enter and speak it was on Jehovah’s terms. God is in control. Read the whole passage please. How God deals with fallen angels is a different matter than mankind. They fall essentially from perfection and having seen God’s face. Humans inherit sin. Jesus blood does not redeem fallen spirits. So it’s not a fair comparison.
@@faithhopefuture I never claimed that Satan power was announced that of God. His being there was an intrusion. It was obviously allowed by God, for Satan would come to his end in the future. JW’s do not magnify Satan or the demons. We do know what they are capable of and that God and His Son can and can protect us from them. Meanwhile we are to Watchtower out for their crafty acts that can mislead even the faithful.
It amazes me that they're so against Christianity yet the name itself "Jehovah" which is the only name they use actually originated from a Catholic monk. The original scriptures were in Hebrew and did not contain the letter J in it's vocabulary however, they somehow translated the tetragrammaton 'YHWH' into Jehovah and we are not sure of the exact pronunciation of the tetragrammaton but they have just RANDOMLY picked vowels of their liking to support this name yet it remains a uneducated guess just as Yahweh would also!!! This is the name that they emphasized as so important but if u used different vowels it would make the name sound entirely different 😂 They also say gods name has been removed from the scriptures so they added it some 7,000 times to their own version of the bible 😮 I guess they find little ways to look unique as if they have some hidden gem or the "so-called truth" and if you do some research outside of the organization you can quickly come to realize that maybe the reason they don't want you to research outside of the organization or look at so-called apostate material is so they will not lose you as a member of the organization😅 It also amazes me how many times they have been wrong about the end times coming not only after 1914 but also in 1975 amongst others yet don't the scriptures say beware of false prophets and if somebody prophesies in God's name and it doesn't come true then it's not from God!! According to the bible originally Jews are God's chosen people. Now they found a way to twist things and say God broke his promise to the Jews so that many many many centuries later they could form into God's chosen ones. I'm personally finding so much truth and answers from Judaism now. Particularly from Rabbi Tovia Singer on RUclips. He has really cleared things up for me and undone these cult lies I used to believe and when I started questioning things that weren't making sense as I got older Rabbi Tovia Singer really made sense to me!!
I too was disfellowshipped as a teen for engaging in fornication which the bible condemns i loved women. But i realised JWS have the TRUTH. Satan is mankinds enemy he does not want any one to worship and love Jehovah. Thats why there are so many religions. Some teach Jesus is God. Others teach when our love one dies God wants an angel it could be a 6 month old who dies. Jehovah has myriads of angels in heaven already😂
You don't have to be a part of religious organisations to read the main message of the bible to how you should live. Religion is man made and tries to justify the need for religion Hence all the smoke screens and mirrors and dark tactics
I'm not an advocate of shunning, and it has had some tragic consequences, as you rightly say. But you seemed to quickly gloss over how the Corinthian congregation actually treated the sinner- you admitted that "the majority of the congregation did shun him", and that it was "quite strong discipline." You also ignored the key verses 1 Cor 5:11-13, where Paul instructs the congregation 'to stop keeping company with...to judge...and to remove' the 'wicked person' from (their) midst. (see also v5 where he is to be 'thrown out and handed over to Satan'- NLT) Regarding the OT, where does it say that God continued to have dealings with A&E after they were dismissed from the garden (Gen 3:24)? And with Cain after being banished (Gen 4:16)? Finally, there are numerous examples in the OT where God did actually "shun" people, or would potentially do so, as follows- (Saul) 1 Sam 28:6; (Solomon) 1Chr 28:9; (Asa) 2 Chr 15:2...
DM2002 1st Corinthians as you quoted. This is NOT a L❤ving CHRISTIAN teaching. Wasn't it Saul of Tarsus the murder who wrote this ?? If so it is no wonder Christianity to day shadows pagan activities of centuries ago even B. C.
The main point is that we are not God and should not make such totalitarian decisions over people’s lives because we do not have such authority. Yes there is a precedent for taking action as a group against a sinner as in Corinthians - but HOLY SPIRIT and JESUS directed it not a person or three elders in a hidden back room! “Even though I am not physically present I am with you in SPIRIT and the power of our LORD JESUS is present” - v4. JWs don’t believe H S operates in this way today so they aren’t being directed. They don’t hear God for themselves so how could they? Elders simply follow the guidelines in Shepherd the flock of God. Blind guides that destroy lives in the name of religious fervour bringing blood guilt on themselves in the process.
@@faithhopefuture I'm a bit confused- you admitted in your video that "the majority of the Corinthians shunned" that particular individual and that helped to restore him. So according to your understanding of 1 Cor 5:5, 11-13, how should an unrepentant, practiser of gross sin (as listed in v11), whom Paul calls 'wicked', be handled in the Christian congregation today? Also, regarding the OT, where does it say that God continued to have dealings with A&E after they were dismissed from the garden (Gen 3:24)? And with Cain after being banished (Gen 4:16)?
First, let me note that this is the only case in which shunning is blatantly recommended in the NT. One should not use an isolated case to make a foundational support for a potentially harmful doctrine, namely, disfellowship (excommunication) with shunning. This would be a ridiculous overstep of authority, especially when it is incongruent and inconsistent with the prevailing theme of the gospels, viz love and forgiveness. Additionally, Paul was a hot headed, impetuous person, who was not directly taught by the Master. We cannot with complete accuracy, say what the specific circumstances were at that time and occasion. Even scholars can't be 100% certain. Therefore, why use this isolated situation to inflict pain on others? Furthermore, the young lady above, expressed sound and balanced reasoning when sounding the alarm concerning this policy. Even Paul recommended a termination clause to this dastardly practice, for fear of a complete loss of such victims. Faith Hope Future is the first one I have heard mentioning this important point. Incidentally, WT could use it to limit its duration. The OT is overflowing with its God, exhibiting characteristics which are diametrically opposed to those treasured in the Gospels. This should give believers a cause for pause, however, we will leave that for another occasion. I must say, even the sound and tone of FHF's voice soothes and heals.
@@lesliethomas7234 v11 seems to suggest Paul was setting a precedent on how to deal with various gross sins, not just an isolated incident. But I agree wholeheartedly with the comment about the short duration of the shunning, barely 6 months probably. Evidently the man had stopped sinning, felt remorse and could now be forgiven and comforted, to prevent his becoming overwhelmed.
Jesus said only those doing the Fathers will will be saved. Mt 7:21 JW believe only they are doing the Fathers will today. Regardless, we don’t decide who is saved. Jehovah does. Jehovah’s Witnesses are leading millions along the narrow path.
I disagree. JW are leading millions to destruction and cutting them off from all that is good and of God. Sorry. Witnesses contribute nothing to society by existing in their own little bubble with higher than average rates of physical and mental health issues, poor education and economic hardships. The evidence does not indicate they are in any way blessed, rather their idolatrous baptism and elevation of men (governing body) and the organisation above God brings curses and misery.
Ephesians 2:8 ‘For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.’ 😂 thanks for walking straight into that one. JWs teach that works save, miss the point of grace and even omit the word from their Bible and publications to add in next level manipulation of verses!!! Keeps the sheep in check and from getting any ideas or confidence in their salvation.
Whilst I am happy that you have escaped from the JW cult, I would now encourage you to step back and take a more open minded critical look at your theology. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan. Also the serpent told the truth, there was nothing deceptive about his words. Finally Adam and Eve, according to the story, Yahweh gave them no concept of right and wrong so they couldn't have known that is was wrong to disobey the lie that they were told by Yahweh.
Rev 12:8 identifies the serpent in Eden as Satan: the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - KJV Rev. 20:2 carries the same thought. See also 2. Cor. 11:3. Who did you think the serpent in Eden is? I’m open to hearing other ideas although I’m certain it’s the one and only Lucifer Morning Star Son of Dawn aka ‘Satan the Devil’ himself in question! I don’t think he minds the notoriety. It’s his claim to infamy.
So Adam and Eve had been given one commandment and one only by this point: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” - Genesis 2:16,17 This meant that death had to be brought in as God had set the standard to measure sin. Then there is a gap until the Law is given to Moses. Also Eve was deceived but Adam was not. It is through one MAN that sin entered the world so let’s leave women out of it please. 😂
@@faithhopefuture It's just a serpent. Satan is not a concept in the Old testament. Read 1 Corinthians 14: 33, if it was meant to be anything else then it would have been plainly written, such as "Satan in the guise of a serpent".
@@faithhopefuture They didn't die as Yahweh said they would, did they. There is no deception in the serpent words it told them the truth. To the best of their knowledge the only reason not to eat from the tree was the lie that they would die. So when the serpent told them the truth, the reason not to eat the fruit had gone. So as Yahweh had made them incapable of discerning good and evil they predictably ate the fruit. Yahweh must have seen this coming and was content to let it happen. The only one doing the deceiving in this story is Yahweh. "Death had to be brought in". You can't seriously believe that there was no death before eating the apple. Animals eat, living matter, just walking around and you inadvertently kill countless tiny creatures underfoot. Just read the story as it is written and just think about where your post hoc rationalisation came from.
No Christmas or birthdays has nothing to do with association, but with the Bible. Christmas and birthdays were not celebrated by early Christian’s. Birthdays were celebrated by unbelieving nations. The customs of Christmas were customs off the unbelieving nations in their different pagan celebrations.
Did you realise that the celebrations Job’s children are described as holding were in fact their BIRTHDAYS? Each on their day… So if the children of the most righteous person on earth at the time celebrated birthdays yet it’s not what Satan used as an accusation… clearly birthdays are fine, as long as you don’t get drunk or whatever. Or go totally overboard. If you research this outside the limitations of the Watchtower library for once you will discover birthdays were celebrated customarily in the Middle East, even by Hebrews like Job and his family. “His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.” - Job 1:4 NIV
@@faithhopefuture only the sons and not the daughters. Men were the land owners. Those feasts were not birthdays but harvest celebrations. Giving that’s to God for all he has provided.
@Jim Gordon Jesus said to remember his death. Does this mean to celebrate it the way Jehovah's Witnesses do, once a year ?? He did say not to celebrate his birth. Does this say we, who claim to be Christian, can not celebrate the day our mother went into great pain to bring us into this sinful world ?? Why can't we remember our mother in this manner ?? Phooey to the obvious teachings in error of Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@robertgrey6101 since Jesus initiated his last supper on Passover, a once a year celebration, JW’s also on that day, Nisan 4, at sundown, JW’s do as Jesus commanded. No one said you can’t express thanks to your mother for her part in bringing you into the world. Show me where the Bible says on the second Sunday in May, give this day to the honor of your mother, I’ll be there with you. Show me where Jesus was born on December 25 and that Jesus wants you to celebrate that north then and I’m there. I have a JW who’s mother was upset about him not observing Mother’s Day. So four 51 Sundays he bought his mother flowers to show her thanks and love.
@@jwjim Christ has set us free from religious superstition. "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths," Col.2:16 This includes birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving...and all the festive food and drink that accompany. Freedom in Christ. Bondage in Watchtower.
They will always put lesbians out of their congregation, it’s not scriptural for people to leave the natural use of their body! You have now found a faith that accepts this behaviour!
You don't have to be a part of religious organisations to read the main message of the bible to how you should live. Religion is man made and tries to justify the need for religion Hence all the smoke screens and mirrors and dark tactics
Thank you so much am 82 all my life as a witness till 2020 at 80 walked away . Your message was powerful and correct . I too have grown spiritually so much by reading and prayer with GODS WORD . many blessings to you 🌻💝🙏🙏🙏
You have just blown my mind that you made that decision at 80! Amazing. 🎉 Keep walking with God and He will show you so much just from reading His Word. You’ve really inspired me. 😊 I pray my family let go of their pride and seek God from a pure heart despite my parents being also older in years.
@bevmeier Wow! Not many would be able to make such a courageous step. Well done!🤎
Wow.
A very courageous ideal! I applaud your steadfastness to the REAL truth!
So happy that your eyes were opened. Wish you the best my dear. May you be blessed!
GOMER OZ and DANDAR is g.o.d in freemasonry
Zeus is jesus or iesus no letter j until late 1500s
Israel is ISIS AMUNRA ELOHIM
Excellent brilliant points! I've been disfellowshipped since I was 18 years old in 1989 and I'm still disfellowshipped shunned by my family, parents, my only sibling, and childhood friends. I'm now 52 years old, never been reinstated, my father's now an elder in the Jehovah's Witness organization, and both are my parents are in their 70s. It still hurts and is very traumatizing even now to be cut off treated like I'm dead. Disfellowshipping and shunning is inhumane and is a vindictive tactic. In my case I was a regular pioneer when I was disfellowshipped and baptized at age 14, the elders disfellowshipped me to make an example out of me and refused to reinstate me for over 30 years out of personal vendetta. Thank you so very much for your beautiful well informed video. God bless you tremendously!
Well that is sad . They truly will RECEIVE a huge judgment from GOD . My daughters 2 eldest stopped talking to me even though I was a witness because I would not abandon my other daughter who was like the black sheep . Off course now I am out they especially don't want contact with me . Very good info on Borean Pickets about organization sueing group off ex JWS in Spain amazing case . Think a great TSUNAMI is starting to overtake the organization . Justice will.come . Many blessings to you.
Tetragrammaton is Egyptian meaning FOUR LETTERS of aton atum adam electron and the SUN or jehovah is atum in Greek
Israel is ISIS AMUNRA ELOHIM
PARIS is para ISIS
AMUNRA is amen RA
Amen means hidden name
Ra is SUN sol
Solomon
Sol
Solomon is sol or SUN and ohm's for chanting and on as in the Egyptian city of on meaning electron thus you turn the light on
Tetragrammaton is Egyptian meaning FOUR LETTERS of aton atum adam electron and the SUN
Egyptians
India
Brahma is abraham
Abrir
April
Abra ca da bra
A,B,C,D
April
You pay taxes in April
Abra ca da bra Aries is first month in occultism
Israel is ISIS AMUNRA ELOHIM
Jacob saw god and named that place penial as in the penial gland or 3rd eye...DMT poped eye or popeye
PARIS is para ISIS
Psalms is lamps
Anagram science
Amen is name
Anagram
Esther is star
Ruth is truth
Deuteronomy is duality 2 dos dios two twinkling twin towers
Numbers is numerology
Laws of love
Love is evol
Love meana law
Fear of the lord or law
Fire
Earth
Air
River...f.e.a.r...
All is astrology and mental
Kybalion
Watch exjw Santos Bonacci and Jordan Maxwell
That's similar to my story been out 40 years 62 now, I gave up and rightfully so the system is rigged against us I wish I knew all this when I was 15 not to worry just try to live a clean life on your own it's not easy but the older you get the better go to AA meetings they never turn you out if you relapse the brotherhood there is the same as any congregation just go meet new people.
When one of my friends was shunned, he called me. My JW robotic brain told him to not call me again. Many years later, I ran into him and he told me that he almost committed suicide when I told him that I would no longer be his friend. That woke me up!
This made me cry.
@@p1consulting285 elders use world class knowledge of psychology to influence people with triggers, to increase mental illness to individuals.
Shame.
Humiliation.
Emotional abuse.
Psychological abuse.
Social isolation.
Where and who do elders get trained from???
GB
Elders are given the right to judge.
Problem. People aren't good judges because they're imperfect and make bad judges.
We know from the scriptures people weren't good judges then either or kings etc
This is why so many people experienced mental illness because of JW religion.
It's power and influence.
They have power over people because they know how people work, tick etc
Endel tulving wrote the book about semantic and episodic memory.
Elders are taught the deep inner workings of the mind and how that affects people.
That coupled with their right to judge makes them very dangerous people...
I am glad to see lots of people waking up from the JWs nightmare.
Congratulations to you and many that are trying to leave.
Standup against the wrong teachings of the Watchtower.
You have some very good observations, and I absolutely LOVE your attitude!
I was raised a witness and left over 20 years ago. Our family was very prominent in the JW community. I never disassociated myself because I didn't want to be the one to close the door on the people I had known and loved all my life. Of course few ever talked to me willingly after I stopped attending because I was a "bad associate", but I still greet the witnesses I know. I was even able to have lunch this past summer with the man who married my wife and me.
So many Witnesses are genuinely kind people, in spite of being Jehovah's Witnesses. My heart goes out to them because most are so misled. Others, like my father, are too entrenched and feel trapped.
You will have many of them left broken as the organisation crumbles so expect to have lots of work consoling them! Bless your kind heart and love for them. Yes they are simply deceived. ❤
Excellent points. I will pray that your family and friends realize as you did, that the organization is just a group of men and nothing to do with God. And that they will join you in the light of day and begin thinking clearly for themselves in the love of Him.
I believe the organisation will gradually be fully exposed and leadership will end up despised by everyone on the streets. Unless they repent. Likely they will be about as responsive as the Pharaoh of Egypt whose heart was hardened prior to his destruction!
I really don’t think people understand that as a JW you can only associate and build relationships with friends in family who are ONLY JW’s. When you are Disfellowshipped and shunned you are left to survive on your own. Some of us don’t make it. Everything you have ever known or love is ripped away!
Yes - it’s all intentional to trap people. It gives the elders almost unlimited power over the lives of others. To pull the plug and destroy a life - overnight. Men that are often of low education, with no training to speak of and certainly never police checked… the criteria for selection as elder being obedience to rules and policies made up by the Governing Body and whoever was on the Service desk in 1950. You couldn’t make this up if you tried! Orwellian in the extreme.
Though I am n agnostic, I am glad that you left that organization.
Great wonderful presentziony
It clearly fisptoves the judicial commmittees
Shunning is a great to drive people over the edge.
Lovely clear explanation. Excellent. May help to explain to non witnesses why certain things happen and why the number of suicides among witnesses or witness-associated people is so high.
This message is a huge blessing to me. I am not a JW, but I have a close family member who is and I have been praying for many years that my family member would wake up and see the truth about the JW cult, and, that it is possible for them to come out of the cult and into a real relationship with Jesus our Savior. I know so many ex-JW’s decide to turn away from God and any organized religion once they are out.
Belief…Faith in the finished work on the cross. Is what saves. Belief. God Bless Sister
The JW’s are mostly afraid that those of us who have woke up will wake up others, and then there would be no JW😮faith. It’s really horrible.
Yes, survival of the ‘organisation’ is placed as highest priority - the JW leadership are happy to sacrifice people’s lives to that end. Anything to stop people from seeing through their lies and manipulation… and lose their position of power and influence.
This organization is too big and has too much wealth to go away. Since you have woken you have probably looked at things so much differently and wonder how you ever believed in it to begin with. With that experience in mind, can you see how powerful this mind control is and that many will never awaken no matter what? We are somewhat lucky in the sense that circumstances that came together allowed us to look deeper. The Jehoovians do not like using the word lucky but in my case it was circumstances that came together which made me feel I deserved to look into the organization further which ended up being a positive result for me and hopefully anyone I can warn away from them. About twenty years ago a woman I worked with gave me some papers about the trinity which she believed in. John 1:1 in the NWT translates "a god" and used a bible scholar to show they were right in doing so. The papers showed that a god is not correct according to the scholar JWs were using. In fact it pissed the scholar off so much he sent a letter and demanded them to quit using his work and he wanted a public apology. As it turns out the work showed nothing to support the trinity either but I wondered if they were still misquoting that scholar. Mantey is his last name if you want to look it up. Anyway they were still putting out literature misquoting him after they had received the letter. This is very interesting because they needed him very badly for a scholarly quote on this to cover up their previous source. Look it up. Anyway I didn't know about that stuff until recently but I did see how they were deliberately lying and deceiving their members. I did nothing with the info but I didn't trust them anymore. A couple of years ago my mother got sick and may have been in need of a blood transfusion so I started looking it up on the internet. Holy crapoly was I shocked about the information readily available now. I don't think there is any end to how wrong this organization is in everything they do and say. That woman planted a seed with me of distrust that she didn't even intend to that years later ended up allowing me to dive in deeper which I wouldn't have otherwise.
Lovely to hear my own accent. I'm from Carlisle X ❤ love and light ❤😊
*Thanks for sharing this! It is very kind to share your experience. Spirituality is now fun and beautiful after leaving. I had your first heal though.*
Absolutely
We were born-ins. My sister disassociated herself and my younger brother was DF'D years ago. I never got baptized. My older brother is an Elder, the last I heard.
I quit going to meetings about 5 or more years ago. I think I've been DF'D anyway. My rabidly devoted mother blocked me on her phone. I think she'd only do that if it came from the podium. She and my (now deceased) father would do whatever they tell them!!!!
Speaking of suicide, I have thought alot about that lately, partly because of this
cult and how I'm being treated. My SIL is the best at listening to me and talking me down. She's never been a Witness, thank god! She's a blessing for sure!!!
Dear Bekah, I am praying for you. I am so glad you have your SIL to offer you comfort. I hope you can find a support group. "The LORD is near the brokenhearted." Ps. 34:18
I’m sorry you have this to deal with. Life is worth living and fighting for! Please seek professional help, counselling. You can email me on faithopefuture@gmail.com and I can direct you to counsellors that understand the JW context.
Why would they treat you like that if you're not baptized ? Dont you have to be baptized to be DFd ? Any how hope things are getting better. I left the congregation 6 yrs ago.
18:52 glad you are doing well and thriving despite the despicable treatment that the cults show in their true nature like you said the shunning process is a form of public execution.
Brilliant exposition!
It wasn't really.
"confess sins to one another", that's what it says, yes, not to elders. I believe each point you said and worked out the same before we left in 2017. It's nice to know I'm not going mad.. haha I came to the same conclusions myself by reading the Bible at home. Same. Not by countless hours listening to egotistical men spout from the platform. Yes blood is on the elders' hands. Yes it is. They are guilty as hell.
"Going along with such things as disfellowshiping is an indication of how much someone knows God" very true. I couldn't go along with it even when I was a JW
It stopped me from getting baptized because I didn't want to be df'd. I felt like ignoring a df'd person was acceptable because everyone did it. Including me. Deep down, I knew it was messed up to treat anyone in such an Unchristian way.
Such a great video! You have exposed the dark side of Watchtower's policy about shunning people. Thanks for the video!
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I can tell you were a sister that was very loved by the congregation. You make great points and are very likeable. Enjoying your videos. You're definitely a great help with your content.
Your comments at around 15 minutes in, actually struck me with a powerful point. You said something along the lines of "how cruel it is to believe that any person or group of persons can cut you off from God." "We do not have that kind of power!" How very true sister! It made me recall the Apostle Paul's words to the Romans at Romans 8: 33-39. I just gleaned a new perspective actually reading the context of a scripture I've read verbatim for over 50 years! Paul wrote, "Who will file accusations against God's chosen ones? God is the one that declares them righteous,......and Christ is the one who pleads for us.......For I am convinced that neither death not life, nor angels, nor governments,..nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God' s love that is in Christ Jesus,"........
So these abusive elders can stick it where the sun doesn't shine; because Jehovah knows the heart of a person, and so does his Son, the Christ. So Paul again condemned the brothers for setting themselves up as judges over their brothers and sisters over petty and personal matters of conscience, at Romans 14: 10, "Why do you judge your brother, or look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgement seat of God."
Very informative and reasonable talk, there sister! Not to mention that you're really cute too! 😉 As a former elder and instructor of ministry schools for 26 years; I appreciate our sisters who are able to think critically, and use their powers of reason, as exhorted at Romans 12: 1. I was unscripturally shunned by elders who think that they can stand between me and my God Jehovah. Or between me and my family. Guess who wins? They have no idea of how much strength God has given me during this period of readjustment and waking up to organizational corruption! 😆 Just wait and see what happens soon.
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Absolute Truth!,,very good explanation,,
Praise the Lord! You heard the real voice of God and have escaped the dungeon that has so many people trapped and isolated from everyone outside of the Watchtower Society's control! The practice of shunning that they teach is so far from the heart of God, but remember Luke 18:29-30 let's us know that we won't really be alone. I am so glad to have come across your video because I have been saddened to see such a high percentage of XJW videos of people who decided to go atheist or agnostic after escaping the grigs of this errant organization. May my God supply all your needs according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus!!!
Yes when Witnesses leave and become atheist or agnostic the organisation wins. Because it is designed and exists to destroy people with kingdom potential. It’s very sad. Some I believe over time will be restored. Others… God was never real. Faith is a gift. And not everyone has it, or wants it.
Thank you very much for your insight into shunning it is unloving not call for you have very good points about it I've never been a witness but I've studied with them and I disagree totally for what they are saying all they care about is money that is their god thank you again take care
I am so proud of you for having the courage to LEAVE
OMG! You're very pretty! Thanks for sharing your story, dear! I was raised a JW, but never got baptized!
shalom, merci...
So good! wow! Amen! Thank you for explaining so well! Blessings!
Excellent point it’s counter productive when I was dissed I felt relief. I went to a memorial about 3 years ago after being kicked out for 13 years I sat down for a few minutes and my spirit said “Get up and leave it’s was like god was telling me this isn’t for you. Now I see after years and years of blessing gods love is unwavering not dependent on going to the Kingdom Hall . Excellent video thanks for sharing
I’m so happy you got that confirmation to stay well clear of the kingdom hall. There is nothing in the Bible that says we must belong to an organisation to be saved or need such as an intermediary. The only mediator we need is Jesus Christ and confessing faith in him saves. Bless you, thank you for watching!
Great Job!
This is my first time seeing your video . Love your explaining… I’m questioning everything now about the religion
I used to feel uncomfortable when the householder spoke about Jesus. It's all Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah in the hall. So much so that at my mum's funeral the brother forgot and gave his last prayer in the name of Jehovah!!!!😮
Yes isn’t that interesting! I believe there is a reason they focus on ‘Jehovah’ - because the name of Jesus saves and should rightly be the focus for Christians - and the hidden agenda of the organisation is to keep people apart from Jesus. They are very effective at it! Once I realised it my days in the organisation were numbered.
Such amazing points. The GB have thoroughly entered into darkness. They certainly don’t reflect the love of the Father and the Son. When Jesus was here he made a distinction between the religions of authority and the religion of the Spirit.
The religions of authority crave power and control over the people. They take away their free will and insist dogmatically that their adherents follow their doctrine or else. Of course as you related there are religions severe in their thinking that shock those that never grew up in a dystopian religion that actually despise the people.
The religion of the Spirit is the religion of our Father. He sends fragments of himself to live in our hearts/minds to teach us to do the will of God. There isn’t as much certainty as there are with dogmatic, controlling, authoritarian religions, but though the direction of the Spirit may not be as certain as those that dogmatize beliefs, the Father fragments say take my hand and trust me. And through my love I will guide you to the home of the Father on the Paradise Isle.
The Father fragments are here to transform our hearts and souls to see as the Father sees. To see everyone through the eyes of love. And contrary to the ugly, dystopian way that the GB views their adherents, our Father at the center of all things loves us each one as if we were the only child in all of creation.
I love the way you phrase this - yes may those ‘Father fragments’ - the love of God, his heart - replace the death dealing hatred and poison planted in people by JW teachings and shunning practices. We are each judged on how we treat others so it violates God’s clear commandment to love your neighbor. Blind guides indeed!
You are such a loving and kind hearted woman, Faith, Hope, Future. We are all like the walking wounded. Beaten up by a cult. And tossed away like yesterday’s garbage. But your love is like a healing salve. An ointment applied to the heart that exudes a pleasant odor. This is the love that the Father and the Son gave you dear one. And you are giving that love away freely to all of your brethren. Our Father looking down from heaven, is proud to have you as his daughter. For the healing salve of your heart is gathering the broken hearted and leading them back to the Father through your love.
Good points! 😄👌
Thanks! 😁
@@faithhopefuture Jesus christ sent churches including exjws apostate to preach about the Jehovah's witnesses???????????
Good reasoning points! Really!
When I come out of the station, I feel so sorry for the witnesses with the watchtower stands. Religion is supposed to be a help, not a burden
I feel exactly the same as you do
Jude v 2
May mercy and peace and love be increased to you. 💗💖
Good for you that God is guiding you and Jesus is helping show you the way!
We may not know each other but you have gained a brother for sure ⭐💙🙋🥰🤗
You'll never be alone 🙏
They are cruel very very much and they don't acknowledge it because of religious organisational bureaucracy and being brainwashed to that.
You ever need a friend don't hesitate to reach out 🙋💙⭐🕊️🫂
There is a clarification. It does not have to be a gross sin to be kicked out. It can be that you don't agree with them or you have scriptures to support what you say or you can quote their own material back to them, they can and do still kick you out. They have their parishioners convinced that only "unrepentant" people are kicked out. One does not get this until they are put through it.
Yes, they can and do DF people at elders discretion. So that gives elders godlike power to destroy lives at whim. Its a sickening arrangement.
"The truth" is blinded to the truth.
Its so ironic!
You have nailed it!
My mothers sister was JW as was her whole family .We called her crazy behind my moms back. She arranged her daughters wedding to a Gay man. poor girl to this day she is living a life of hell. My aunt died because she refused blood during an operation. her whole family is very strange and very dysfunctional. So glad you got out. totally dysfunctional people.
I have this theory that only vulnerable and damaged people are drawn to even becoming Witnesses. If you are healthy, well adjusted and succeeding in life why would you jeopardise that? Definitely a self-selecting group. 😔
IAOSHUA said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - Jn 14:6
“All have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.
“Come to Me, all you who labour and are burdened, and I shall give you rest. - Mt 11:27,28
I was treated like crap since my nervous breakdown 3 months ago, I've noticed they would avoid me and not talk to to me anymore, one member told me they were told to cut me off and not to talk or be around me. Another member belittled we don't want poor mental Ill person in our congregation. I called them out saying so you say your not judgemental people but you attack me caused I have mental health issues. I rounded up everything that was tied to jw even my suits tossed it in a pile in my garden set it ablaze burned it up.
This is so shocking yet I can completely believe it happened to you. My advice is cut yourself off completely with a disassociation letter if you are in a position to do it. And to think Witnesses proudly claim they fulfill the verse about ‘having love among themselves’ but reality is they are often ‘ravenous wolves’ out to destroy individuals instead of build up.
Studied with JW for sometime. Could always sense the sales pitch behind the teachings. Also had the feeling that a baptism with them was more being baptised into serving their system than dedicating yourself God
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2 Chronicles 7:17 “And you, if you walk before me as your father David walked by doing everything I have commanded you, and you obey my regulations and my judgments, 18 then I will establish the throne of your kingship, just as I made a covenant with your father David, saying, ‘There will never fail to be a man of your line ruling over Israel.’ 19 But if you turn away and forsake my statutes and my commandments that I have put before you and you go and serve other gods and bow down to them, 20 I will uproot Israel from my land that I have given them, and this house that I have sanctified for my name I will cast out of my sight, and I will make it an object of scorn and a cause for ridicule among all the peoples. 21 And this house will become heaps of ruins. Everyone passing by it will stare in amazement and will say, ‘Why did Jehovah do that to this land and this house?’ 22 Then they will say, ‘It was because they abandoned Jehovah the God of their forefathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and they embraced other gods and bowed down to them and served them. That is why he brought all this calamity on them.’”
Jehovah “disfellowshipped“ Israel because they continued to have a disobedient heart.
Many things one is disfellowshipped for in the congregation was actually a death penalty under the Law covenant through Moses. Many times it involved stoning a sinner to death. The parents were the first to throw the stone. Actually disfellowshipping today is a form of discipline that is to the sinner giving them time to and repent and turn around so as to be welcomed back into the congregation.
Family members of those disfellowshipped continue to love in their hearts The disfellowshipped one, and wish them to return to Jehovah.
Nice mis-interpretion of scripture. Jesus would be horrified by the shunning you do. You can attempt to justify it all you want, but it is not a loving arrangement in any shape or form. The Watchtower society is the newest form of the pharisees denying the love of Jesus. Why do you abhor critical thought and searching for real truth? Truth don't mind scrutiny, but lies will not stand. Go peddle your lies and mis-interpatations somewhere else.
Jim....
Nothing you said can be found in scripture.
Shunning is an exercise in emotional manipulation, not meant to bring the "repentant" back to "Jehovah" but back into the confines of the cult, where there is no "independent thinking."
Those who have left Watchtower are now on the OUTSIDE.
"I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
Yet I certainly did NOT mean with the sexually immoral PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolators, since then you would need to go out of the world.
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a BROTHER, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are OUTSIDE? Do you not judge those who are inside?
But THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE GOD JUDGES.
Therefore, "put away from yourselves the evil person."
1.Cor.5:9-13
Watchtower hasn't gotten one thing right so far.
None of the teachings from Watchtower can be found in scripture.
Watchtower is a bad tree, bearing bad fruit, fit only for fire, the LORD has already laid axe to root.
Watchtower will not survive the assault from the Armies of the LORD, no, a house divided will not stand.
@JimGordon where in Isaiah 55:7 or James 5:14,15 does it say anything about harsh punishment towards those that sin? …. James mentions that “oil will be poured onto the sinners head and his sins will be forgiven by the elders” when in reality it’s the complete opposite! Elders don’t help all they do is shun and isolate the sinner… you can deny it all you want but that ain’t loving at all, real love is when you run to the elders for help and they actually HELP you with you problem instead of judging and shunning. Like I said those scriptures encourage forgiveness and say nothing about ostracizing the person.
@@Jeron_Benton i candy park for all elders. To say a blanket statement implying all elders only want to disfellowshipped is false. I know for fact it pains them to do such and it is only after really trying to reach person who is not responsive that the decision.
But I don’t expect you to believe that. You are anti-JW.
@@jwjim wrong again buddy!! When I got disfellowshipped the elders were more then happy to shun me even AFTER I repented and turned around from my previous lifestyle. Elders are just mere men pretending to have gods backing on judicial matters and not to mention the hundreds if not thousands that have committed suicide from all the shunning - explain that to the families of the deceased souls that took their own life from being shunned.
Persons leaving the WBTS should never accept being shunned by the Society. Instead they should consider that they are shunning the society by making social connections elsewhere. And when the Elders tell you that they want your disfellowshipping letter, tell them that they must first submit theirs to you.
Its very important to disassociate yourself if you are leaving if at all possible as the legal tie remains and therefore you remain under the spiritual authority of the WTBS. Whether you like it or not that is how its seen by the spirit realm. If you were ever a baptised JW member that is. Evidence speaks for itself as those who simply fade remain tethered. It holds one back. Important to realise this as much as you may mentally reject it all.
I’ve often wondered about that. Since I was baptized at 14years old I figured it didn’t really count because I was a minor. I faded when I was in my early 50’s, but I believe tethers and soul ties are real. I did tell my ex sister-in-law whomI really liked that I no longer identified as a JW and just recently erased everyone’s number from my phone who hasn’t contacted me in the last 7 years. I hope that’s enough because I really don’t feel like being triggered by their nonsense.
@@faithhopefuture There is no legal tie. There is no legally enforceable contract. You may have signed their commitment statement, but it's not a contract under law.
How would explain Jesus saying with the keys to the kingdom one would be able lock and unlock things in heaven and on earth?
Faith I think you are beautiful. But the fact is as soon as you stop going to meetings and show that you disagree with what you’ve been taught all you’re life even if no official action has been taken against you, you are dead to them.
Oh I disassociated myself as soon as and knew the consequences full well! But I could not uphold falsehood and its all refuse to me like Paul said. I left it behind.
Lovely
All great points. It's important to remember that Adam, Eve, Satan etc call come from a book written by men approx 2700 years ago. This is one book about human origins / God. There are several earlier books about human origins / God. Homo sapiens have been around for about 190,000 years.
I love that i’ve heard recently that even active Jehovah’s Witnesses, believe they do not disfellowshipped minors. And never have this is hysterical because I was disfellowshipped as a minor and when I bring this up, they say I was a liar or I made it up or never a JW. How do they know this when they’ve never met me. I love the twists that come with this false religion a.k.a. a cult.
Yes its a cult and local elders have mostly carte blanche to do whatever the hell they like with people’s lives. The results are frightening and yes, as the Norwegian authorities - ‘placed by God’ according to Romans 13 - recently identified, it becomes a breach of basic human rights not to mention dignity.
God is the first that has shunned during the days of Noa and also disfellowed tomorow he will disfellowed again for good
God has the right to judge and make life and death decisions. We do not have that authority. Neither should we twist scripture to fit sth it doesn’t say.
@Faith Hope Future I shun them, they are modern day Pharisees.
@@faithhopefuture so, my sister what are you doing in your apare time now that you have tons of free time..thanks
You're not only extremely beautiful, but "BRILLIANT"
It has been shocking to me how they took si many bible texto where Jesus is mention.
Your very beautiful and pretty face alone gets a Thumbs Up and shared. A++++ Love your channel. : )
This is crazy sick. why disfellowship that's crazy!!!!
Women that wear short skirts and makeup will be DESTROYED!!! They would say that in the 70’s
im a jw. the principal you are talking about here is "if you draw close to jehovah, he will draw close to you" but if you draw away and sin, he will draw away. so not quite what your advocating but i get where your coming from. i'm merely stating that i see if from your point of view, but i understand the deeper meaning. If however, one of my family memebrs was disfellowshiped, and i had to "shun" them as you describe,,, i may be disfellowshipped myself becasue i love my familly so much. its a hard place to be in. i can see you struggling to talk about it. much love x
So its not true that God draws away if we sin because Jesus blood now covers our sins. Romans 8:1 says there is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus. We merely need to pray for forgiveness on that basis. JW teaching on how the blood applies and covers us is incomplete with emphasis on works and earning salvation which is impossible and a return to legalism, essentially Judaism. Paul wrote on this when he spoke of such actions placing a person back under the law and making what Jesus did thus empty.
Hopefully my video demonstrates clearly that Disfellowshipping and shunning as practiced by Jehovah’s Witnesses is demonic in nature & origin - there is no other way to describe it. Satan delights in inflicting pain and suffering, God does not force anyone with emotional blackmail of losing family connections to serve him because he upholds free will. To do so is warped. It’s inexcusable. And twists the minds of JWs into a path that leads to destruction and the abyss - which as Jesus said is not limited to fallen spirits but also for judgement of men. - Matt 25:41
@@faithhopefuture next you'l be saying the trinity is real.
How do you return to the congregation what do you do every day
I have no intention of returning
Very well said..must be bible based teaching..not man's..
My wife started doing it and I hate it
Get her out of there
She just won’t listen
@@michaelsimpson5434 Do you show her the videos? Yt. Stop the shunning, her name is Beth. Hope it helps.
This commentary makes a good point. Wait until you hear about the child sex abuse that they cover up. I personally know of three cases.
Why is anyone still a jw - 1914????????
I was disfellowshipped for apostasy. I.e. denying that the wt bible and tract society is Gods sole channel of bible truth on earth today. IT IS NOT KIND. CAN YOU IMAGINE Jesus shunning ??????????? I REST MY CASE.
Ex smurf girl called the bethel about having her baptism void interesting.
The bible does not say SATAN tricked Eve. It says the SERPENT.
1 John 3:6-8
My mom was raped and was disfellowshiped
I can believe that as I know similar cases. Sexual abuse among JWs is primarily towards women and girls, statistically.
Reduce contact or cut contract? Those are quite different.
Reduce implies you have contact just not as much. But contact means you no longer have contact what so ever.
Which one?
If JWs are obedient to ‘the slave’ they cut all contact and even ignore phone calls as I vividly recall shown just a few years ago in a convention video. Parents proudly ignoring a call from their own flesh and blood daughter. Can you imagine Jehovah ever ignoring someone calling out to him? Of course not. Also we are not to fight flesh and blood but unseen forces like the demon entity JW spirit that fuels the organisation in reality. Many deliverance ministries pray out this entity from exWitnesses to release its demonic hold. It is a real thing. A religious spirit. I bind it in you jwjim in Jesus name so you can see light. Amen. 🙏
You’re making to much sense
And you are far too informed
Those people are SICK
Did Jesus and disciples ever say Jehovah or Jehovah god? Governing body is not in the Bible
Although JW org insists on this its because they want to distract people from the fact that it is the name of JESUS that saves. Not any other name. Interestingly YHWH is used in the Old testament interchangeably of God and Jesus. So in some instances it can only be in reference to Jesus, not Father. This whole debate is therefore sort of pointless, a distraction. They are one.
When has God used coercion and emotional blackmail to force people to serve him? During the duration of the entire old testament! Without the rod, the sword, or threats, Yahweh of armys would have no followers.
What disgraceful treatment of a fellow human being. How families can participate in this treatment of other family members is beyond all comprehension. This is a cult mentality. Jesus did not practice shunning, indeed he mixed freely with sinners. We all sin and baptism will not save you, only the blood of Jesus Christ, He died was buried and rose again on the third day. God's standard is sinless perfection so only the blood of Jesus would do to pay for all sin. Salvation is a gift from God, it cannot be earned and it cannot be lost and is eternal. Ephesians 2:8&9 & John 3 :16. No one is beyond the grace of God Almighty no matter what you have done or are still doing. Go to Him as you are and believe that Jesus paid for all sin. Love to you all xxx
I agree on all points except that salvation cannot be lost because it can, by those who sin against the Holy Spirit. (Matt 12:31) However that is thankfully an exceptional circumstance, and more relevant for individuals with deep prophetic walks operating in miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit so not sth to be too concerned about for majority.
They have a pharisee mentality like ,we over here here are the only ones
Yes this is accurate. It’s very obviously the same self-righteous haughty attitude.
It's always a REASON why people don't like you! Most of the time it's mainly by their EXPECTATIONS of you. Many expect others to think as they do. Many expect you to do things as they do. Many expect you to fall in line with their zone of things that will make them happy or better off chasing after them calling them it being one sided. They want you to always agree what they agree on. Always being RIGHT over you can sway you to do things to make them happy instead of your self and family and soon as you piss them off they walk away continue on as if you never existed IT'S WHEN WE DON'T ALLOW THAT from them is when the HATE comes.
If a child can't have his way or get what they want they have a tantrum right then and there and get MAD at the person that isn't complying trying to bust them in the head with a toy. Many of us experience that behavior from different age levels of the people around us never dealing with that to improve themselves getting self control, learning respect, understanding in situations like that. So when they get denied, told "No", or can't have what they want out the situation that same mentality comes out age 15, 21, 30, 45, 79 facing rejection.
And depending on how bad this person want that OPPORTUNITY of yours for themselves and how they may view "you" as not important, don't care what you want or may think or your outcome. They will try to take it, they will try to remove you or whomever in their way and most of the time they are not playing fair. They are willing to destroy you if needed to get what they want out the situation.
That is what it is why so many people hate other people attacking them because they are in their way stopping them from having what they are after or wanting in that situation. It's often always being in that situation with alot of people you meet in your life. People get mad at the simplest, smallest things quick to walk away out of your life. If they want something bad enough they will not hold back of trying to get it from you. Starting off behind your back you don't even have a clue they plotting and scheming on you and BAM you find out and they begin showing that HATE openly and out for that jugular vein doing this to you, that to you abusing police, courts, friends, step-kids turning folk against you. You being like wow!!
Don't I have that right to have my own family with my spouse and our children without you wanting to come and raise our children as you desire in your jw religion grand ma. We doing something different over here baptist why are you attacking us, why bringing drama to our household, why are you trying to ruin and destroy our family keeping us from enjoy our own lives as we have that right too. Nobody interfered with you raising your 4 children why you causing problems for my wife and I?
So people just expect you to fall in line with their ways and beliefs when you don't they begin the tantrum behind closed doors and begin their attack trying to ruin you as that child trying to buss you in the head with their doll or truck being denied that snack or outside playground. It's sad but it's truth and reality. Many of us lose alot of friends and family behind this wanting our opportunities for themselves to control and benefit off of instead of us the rightful entitled. So when they storm off whether they succeed at taking your step-kids away from your household by manipulation and abuse of the court system they think they defeated you!!!
In truth they ruined a family, messed up your kids minds causing issue for them in later years turning them against their parent, siblings, step-parent. All because they trying to impress a jw org to please it's leaders and they failed to convert them having the opportunity as they failed their own children converting them. So it's just HATE pushed on a non close family everybody divided can't even stay in communication carrying ongoing hate wanting to control your adult child children and run their family. You didn't win but cemented your judgement day to be ask you why did you do what you did causing all those problems and issues for your daughter and her family.
I was trying to please you GOD trying to save my grandchildren i felt they didn't have what it take to raise their own children together as they wanted. I wanted their opportunity myself. Ms R you literally destroyed your daughters family to get that chance and didn't care on all you caused for them removing 4 of 6 of their children by deception caused separation, hardship, struggle, $$$ loss of a happy family they were before you decided to try to please your religion leadership. And after all that 2016 you come to the hospital telling her doctors not to give her blood transfusions having 2 infections from chemo almost dying.
You caused her and her spouse to separate for 4 years previous out of state from each other. I brought her spouse back in 2016 to her to save his spouse life knowing you was trying to please and use your religion leaders and their policies. He saved your daughters life you almost ended it! So all this other stuff you brought on her family since 2003 bringing extreme problems and hardships just because you trying to please your religious leaders. Then in 2023 you come after another child of your daughter behind her parents back sending her a train ticket without their knowledge so you can try to force her into your religion to impress those same religious leaders to bring further hurt and pain, sadness to your adult daughter and family trying to further ruin them. 4 out of their 6 and her spouse kids
You did alot to your daughter's and their family's over the decades trying to please your religion org leaders. So you EXPECT me to bless you, send you on to paradise/heaven, be proud happy for you on all you did to your own daughter's you had plenty times to repent do what was right but continued on following foolishness you wasn't following me never had my spirit in you I never knew you and it's no place for you here Ms R! someone is here to speak to you! Your son in law ****
Ms B I forgiven you for all the damage you caused for my family!!! We survived it I ask GOD ALMIGHTY if he can give you a chance to save you from going to that lake of fire. That you will repent from all your previous sins and show your daughter you was sorry and want to make up in heaven being a mother, friend, respecting her spouse, being a grandmother respecting your daughters household.
****** I know you are a sincere child of mines and really mean well so I will grant you your request in saving Ms R from the fate she has brought on her life. ******* you will remain on earth with your wife and children till your time to come and MS R time is now so down the road you all will unite in Heaven given you that chance to be the family you all should of been on earth.
I’m scared my family will disown me, for being supportive of the LGBTQ
If they are JW that is a genuine concern. Tread carefully and be discreet around them.
Yet you're still not happy.
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Hebrew is her web spider web black widow spider or zodiac signs
When Satan and the angels he got to turn from Jehovah, sinned, Jehovah disfellowshipped them. 2 Peter 2:4 says; “Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” They were not allowed spiritual association or even taking part in angelic gatherings. Job 1:6 has Satan entering a meeting of angels, each taking their station. Satan though has no station there. He was an intruder.
Please do not accredit Satan with such powers as to intrude Heaven. Witnesses elevate and magnify the enemy continually attributing him power he doesn’t have thus revealing their dark roots while ignoring Jesus position which is also God / divine in nature according to scripture and way above ‘an archangel’. Hebrews 1:4 ‘having become as much superior to angels, since He has inherited a more excellent and glorious name than they [that is, Son-the name above all names].’ AMP
If Satan was allowed to enter and speak it was on Jehovah’s terms. God is in control. Read the whole passage please. How God deals with fallen angels is a different matter than mankind. They fall essentially from perfection and having seen God’s face. Humans inherit sin. Jesus blood does not redeem fallen spirits. So it’s not a fair comparison.
@@faithhopefuture I never claimed that Satan power was announced that of God. His being there was an intrusion. It was obviously allowed by God, for Satan would come to his end in the future.
JW’s do not magnify Satan or the demons. We do know what they are capable of and that God and His Son can and can protect us from them. Meanwhile we are to Watchtower out for their crafty acts that can mislead even the faithful.
It amazes me that they're so against Christianity yet the name itself "Jehovah" which is the only name they use actually originated from a Catholic monk. The original scriptures were in Hebrew and did not contain the letter J in it's vocabulary however, they somehow translated the tetragrammaton 'YHWH' into Jehovah and we are not sure of the exact pronunciation of the tetragrammaton but they have just RANDOMLY picked vowels of their liking to support this name yet it remains a uneducated guess just as Yahweh would also!!! This is the name that they emphasized as so important but if u used different vowels it would make the name sound entirely different 😂 They also say gods name has been removed from the scriptures so they added it some 7,000 times to their own version of the bible 😮 I guess they find little ways to look unique as if they have some hidden gem or the "so-called truth" and if you do some research outside of the organization you can quickly come to realize that maybe the reason they don't want you to research outside of the organization or look at so-called apostate material is so they will not lose you as a member of the organization😅 It also amazes me how many times they have been wrong about the end times coming not only after 1914 but also in 1975 amongst others yet don't the scriptures say beware of false prophets and if somebody prophesies in God's name and it doesn't come true then it's not from God!! According to the bible originally Jews are God's chosen people. Now they found a way to twist things and say God broke his promise to the Jews so that many many many centuries later they could form into God's chosen ones. I'm personally finding so much truth and answers from Judaism now. Particularly from Rabbi Tovia Singer on RUclips. He has really cleared things up for me and undone these cult lies I used to believe and when I started questioning things that weren't making sense as I got older Rabbi Tovia Singer really made sense to me!!
I too was disfellowshipped as a teen for engaging in fornication which the bible condemns i loved women. But i realised JWS have the TRUTH. Satan is mankinds enemy he does not want any one to worship and love Jehovah. Thats why there are so many religions. Some teach Jesus is God. Others teach when our love one dies God wants an angel it could be a 6 month old who dies. Jehovah has myriads of angels in heaven already😂
You don't have to be a part of religious organisations to read the main message of the bible to how you should live.
Religion is man made and tries to justify the need for religion
Hence all the smoke screens and mirrors and dark tactics
Zeus is jesus or iesus no letter j until late 1500s
I'm not an advocate of shunning, and it has had some tragic consequences, as you rightly say. But you seemed to quickly gloss over how the Corinthian congregation actually treated the sinner- you admitted that "the majority of the congregation did shun him", and that it was "quite strong discipline." You also ignored the key verses 1 Cor 5:11-13, where Paul instructs the congregation 'to stop keeping company with...to judge...and to remove' the 'wicked person' from (their) midst. (see also v5 where he is to be 'thrown out and handed over to Satan'- NLT)
Regarding the OT, where does it say that God continued to have dealings with A&E after they were dismissed from the garden (Gen 3:24)? And with Cain after being banished (Gen 4:16)?
Finally, there are numerous examples in the OT where God did actually "shun" people, or would potentially do so, as follows- (Saul) 1 Sam 28:6; (Solomon) 1Chr 28:9; (Asa) 2 Chr 15:2...
DM2002
1st Corinthians as you quoted.
This is NOT a L❤ving CHRISTIAN teaching.
Wasn't it Saul of Tarsus the murder who wrote this ??
If so it is no wonder Christianity to day shadows pagan activities of centuries ago even B. C.
The main point is that we are not God and should not make such totalitarian decisions over people’s lives because we do not have such authority. Yes there is a precedent for taking action as a group against a sinner as in Corinthians - but HOLY SPIRIT and JESUS directed it not a person or three elders in a hidden back room! “Even though I am not physically present I am with you in SPIRIT and the power of our LORD JESUS is present” - v4. JWs don’t believe H S operates in this way today so they aren’t being directed. They don’t hear God for themselves so how could they? Elders simply follow the guidelines in Shepherd the flock of God. Blind guides that destroy lives in the name of religious fervour bringing blood guilt on themselves in the process.
@@faithhopefuture I'm a bit confused- you admitted in your video that "the majority of the Corinthians shunned" that particular individual and that helped to restore him. So according to your understanding of 1 Cor 5:5, 11-13, how should an unrepentant, practiser of gross sin (as listed in v11), whom Paul calls 'wicked', be handled in the Christian congregation today?
Also, regarding the OT, where does it say that God continued to have dealings with A&E after they were dismissed from the garden (Gen 3:24)? And with Cain after being banished (Gen 4:16)?
First, let me note that this is the only case in which shunning is blatantly recommended in the NT. One should not use an isolated case to make a foundational support for a potentially harmful doctrine, namely, disfellowship (excommunication) with shunning. This would be a ridiculous overstep of authority, especially when it is incongruent and inconsistent with the prevailing theme of the gospels, viz love and forgiveness. Additionally, Paul was a hot headed, impetuous person, who was not directly taught by the Master.
We cannot with complete accuracy, say what the specific circumstances were at that time and occasion. Even scholars can't be 100% certain. Therefore, why use this isolated situation to inflict pain on others?
Furthermore, the young lady above, expressed sound and balanced reasoning when sounding the alarm concerning this policy. Even Paul recommended a termination clause to this dastardly practice, for fear of a complete loss of such victims. Faith Hope Future is the first one I have heard mentioning this important point. Incidentally, WT could use it to limit its duration.
The OT is overflowing with its God, exhibiting characteristics which are diametrically opposed to those treasured in the Gospels. This should give believers a cause for pause, however, we will leave that for another occasion. I must say, even the sound and tone of FHF's voice soothes and heals.
@@lesliethomas7234 v11 seems to suggest Paul was setting a precedent on how to deal with various gross sins, not just an isolated incident. But I agree wholeheartedly with the comment about the short duration of the shunning, barely 6 months probably. Evidently the man had stopped sinning, felt remorse and could now be forgiven and comforted, to prevent his becoming overwhelmed.
Jesus said only those doing the Fathers will will be saved.
Mt 7:21
JW believe only they are doing the Fathers will today.
Regardless, we don’t decide who is saved.
Jehovah does.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are leading millions along the narrow path.
I disagree. JW are leading millions to destruction and cutting them off from all that is good and of God. Sorry. Witnesses contribute nothing to society by existing in their own little bubble with higher than average rates of physical and mental health issues, poor education and economic hardships. The evidence does not indicate they are in any way blessed, rather their idolatrous baptism and elevation of men (governing body) and the organisation above God brings curses and misery.
@Craig Little
Narrow path loaded with thorns to penetrate your feet so you have to lean on another's shoulder to get to the end of the narrow path.
@@faithhopefuture i can agree with you on that I also think the same thing about it
Ephesians 2:8 ‘For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.’ 😂 thanks for walking straight into that one. JWs teach that works save, miss the point of grace and even omit the word from their Bible and publications to add in next level manipulation of verses!!! Keeps the sheep in check and from getting any ideas or confidence in their salvation.
@@faithhopefuture
Not true. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not teach we are saved by works. 🤷♂️
You lost me at “satan having access to heaven”
In book of Job he does, I’m certain it’s limited now but communication between the enemy and God is not dependent on location.
Marry me 😂
Whilst I am happy that you have escaped from the JW cult, I would now encourage you to step back and take a more open minded critical look at your theology.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan. Also the serpent told the truth, there was nothing deceptive about his words. Finally Adam and Eve, according to the story, Yahweh gave them no concept of right and wrong so they couldn't have known that is was wrong to disobey the lie that they were told by Yahweh.
Rev 12:8 identifies the serpent in Eden as Satan:
the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - KJV
Rev. 20:2 carries the same thought. See also 2. Cor. 11:3.
Who did you think the serpent in Eden is? I’m open to hearing other ideas although I’m certain it’s the one and only Lucifer Morning Star Son of Dawn aka ‘Satan the Devil’ himself in question! I don’t think he minds the notoriety. It’s his claim to infamy.
So Adam and Eve had been given one commandment and one only by this point:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” - Genesis 2:16,17
This meant that death had to be brought in as God had set the standard to measure sin. Then there is a gap until the Law is given to Moses.
Also Eve was deceived but Adam was not. It is through one MAN that sin entered the world so let’s leave women out of it please. 😂
@@faithhopefuture It's just a serpent. Satan is not a concept in the Old testament. Read 1 Corinthians 14: 33, if it was meant to be anything else then it would have been plainly written, such as "Satan in the guise of a serpent".
@@faithhopefuture They didn't die as Yahweh said they would, did they. There is no deception in the serpent words it told them the truth.
To the best of their knowledge the only reason not to eat from the tree was the lie that they would die. So when the serpent told them the truth, the reason not to eat the fruit had gone. So as Yahweh had made them incapable of discerning good and evil they predictably ate the fruit. Yahweh must have seen this coming and was content to let it happen.
The only one doing the deceiving in this story is Yahweh.
"Death had to be brought in". You can't seriously believe that there was no death before eating the apple. Animals eat, living matter, just walking around and you inadvertently kill countless tiny creatures underfoot.
Just read the story as it is written and just think about where your post hoc rationalisation came from.
No.
The serpent did not tell the truth, nothing but a liar...what "truth" did the serpent tell..?
No Christmas or birthdays has nothing to do with association, but with the Bible.
Christmas and birthdays were not celebrated by early Christian’s. Birthdays were celebrated by unbelieving nations. The customs of Christmas were customs off the unbelieving nations in their different pagan celebrations.
Did you realise that the celebrations Job’s children are described as holding were in fact their BIRTHDAYS? Each on their day… So if the children of the most righteous person on earth at the time celebrated birthdays yet it’s not what Satan used as an accusation… clearly birthdays are fine, as long as you don’t get drunk or whatever. Or go totally overboard. If you research this outside the limitations of the Watchtower library for once you will discover birthdays were celebrated customarily in the Middle East, even by Hebrews like Job and his family. “His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.” - Job 1:4 NIV
@@faithhopefuture only the sons and not the daughters. Men were the land owners. Those feasts were not birthdays but harvest celebrations. Giving that’s to God for all he has provided.
@Jim Gordon
Jesus said to remember his death. Does this mean to celebrate it the way Jehovah's Witnesses do, once a year ??
He did say not to celebrate his birth. Does this say we, who claim to be Christian, can not celebrate the day our mother went into great pain to bring us into this sinful world ??
Why can't we remember our mother in this manner ??
Phooey to the obvious teachings in error of Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@robertgrey6101 since Jesus initiated his last supper on Passover, a once a year celebration, JW’s also on that day, Nisan 4, at sundown, JW’s do as Jesus commanded.
No one said you can’t express thanks to your mother for her part in bringing you into the world. Show me where the Bible says on the second Sunday in May, give this day to the honor of your mother, I’ll be there with you. Show me where Jesus was born on December 25 and that Jesus wants you to celebrate that north then and I’m there.
I have a JW who’s mother was upset about him not observing Mother’s Day. So four 51 Sundays he bought his mother flowers to show her thanks and love.
@@jwjim
Christ has set us free from religious superstition.
"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,"
Col.2:16
This includes birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving...and all the festive food and drink that accompany.
Freedom in Christ.
Bondage in Watchtower.
They will always put lesbians out of their congregation, it’s not scriptural for people to leave the natural use of their body! You have now found a faith that accepts this behaviour!
That is a bit of a leap from what I covered in this video. Based on what exactly? 😂
You don't have to be a part of religious organisations to read the main message of the bible to how you should live.
Religion is man made and tries to justify the need for religion
Hence all the smoke screens and mirrors and dark tactics