I met a fellow who identified with the more current group highlighted at 33:00. Fascinating, both his outlook and my initial reaction. We first met during the beginning of a massive Dark Night and reconstruction cycle in my life. We only had conversation twice, yet I am wholly grateful for hearing his outlook and philosophy. Much respect. And much respect to the 2 of you, quite well done.
Your videos on religion is literally the best on this platform thank you for these videos of bringing to light how wonderful and complex these religions actually are. I’m hoping you make a video on the common belief amongst certain religious people that’s “all religions are the same they just teach things in a different way” or “all religion lead to one truth. I feel like this belief is quite common and it would be fascinating to learn if throughout history this sort of belief was constant in different religious traditions.
Byron, Shelley, Milton? How Anglo! What about Baudelaire? He's much more openly Satanist than all those English poets together! "You tha to console the weak in their suffering to mix you teach us saltpeter, coal and sulphur, o Satan have compassion of my mysery!" "Let the Tree of Science spread out and its foliage like a new temple flourish in your homage". "Race of Cain reach out to Heaven and dump God down against Earth". Etcetera...
Nice job! Hello everyone, I am a theology student who has to improve his fluency in speaking English. So if there is anyone with the same issue I would aprreciate like ft 1 time weekly, maybe talking about some current theological problems or something like that 😊
"Satan *or an equivalent of it* is venerated in a central position". OK, then if I dislike typical Christian-reverse Satanism but I do embrace Loki-Prometheus, am I then "Satanist" in that broader sense? 🤔
I wouldn't say so. Prometheus had cults in ancient times which means He is a part of the Ancient Greek religion as much as the other Gods are. He's a part of that divine order. And while we don't necessarily know definitively if Loki was worshipped or not, His being a member of the Aesir and the amount of times His antics have benefited the Gods in their end results would suggest that He too is a part of the divine order of the Norse Gods despite possibly being destined to help destroy that order in the future
@@WildMen4444 - Well, my take is that Loki-Prometeus (demonstrated to be the same fundamental deity by Stephany 2012) are the Indoeuropeanized "captive" version of Basque Sugaar (the snake or dragon God, consort of Goddess Mari, which is the same as Morrigan in Celtic version or Gaia in the Greek version). All them are fire deities but tricksters only in the Indoeuropean ("tamed") version, Prometheus and Loki are both related to the prophecy of the fall of the patriarch gods and Prometheus specifically has very strong affinities to what the Hebrew Genesis says about Eden: He acts as both the creator god in relation to Humankind (in both cases using clay as basis) but He also incarnates the snake of paradise as light-bringer ("Lucifer", "Phosphoros") or harbinger of Knowledge (arguably a "bad thing" bc that's why Adam and Eve were punished for, so the Bible says). Incidentally, in Basque mythology, the black he-goat is since times immemorial an avatar of Mari (other animals too but these are red, as is her dress when She appears in human form). Akerbeltz, as is said in Basque, where it's considered a protector of the home and often chained to its gate (I've seen one of those, they can be quite scary), was revered already in Roman times, with a votive slab being erected by two women right in the middle of the Pyrenees reading "Aherbelste Deo" ("to the god black buck"). My take here is that the Satanic icon was at least partly borrowed from Basque traditional religion, as pre-Christian or synchretic such beliefs persisted, in intense dialectics with the Christian religion, as legends repeatedly attest (as well as inquisitorial persecutions), to recent times. In any case there is a deep Vasconic substrate in Europe especially (Neolithic legacy, also Bell Beaker and Megalithism) which also trascends into religion (and "anti-religion"). It does relate to Satanism but it's not quite the same and it definitely does not "worship evil" at all. In the take of Hartsuaga, Basque religion was about social justice (and also chthonic), while Indoeuropean religion was about winning (no matter what, cheating even) and is celestial instead.
Not likely, no, as Loki and Prometheus were not satans. Satan is a title, a descriptor, roughly meaning "Adversary of God", specifically in relation to the Abrahamic god. Prometheus and Loki are from faiths and cultures separate from the Abrahamics.
For instance, The Yezidi's and their beautiful veneration of MelekTaus, the many feathered peacock and Demiurge ('Satan) in control of THIS world, who must be appeased since he controls this world, but God (above all) forgives all. Non Western strain of 'Satanism' (if you really wish to dub it so) . I see it as yet another budding of the antimonious spirit.
I write my thank you to you both as a resident in the UK and deeply embarrassed American Citizen. Managing Females seemingly on the rise again either to cover them up or remove personal decisions from them...... esp today early Nov 2024 needed this academic knowledge. Knowledge is power Ignorance taken advantage of always Harms!!
I've considered myself a follower of Luciferianism for years now. I came to by no means of influence or direction, it just sort of implanted itself in my mind. That said, there doesn't seem to be a lot of information about it anywhere online and finding books about it is even more rare. Would it be possible to get a video talking about Luciferianism?
I happened to share anti-Patriarchal activism with a Theosophist couple from my area and I can say for a fact that they're completely nuts. When she had to talk of anti-Patriarchy before a crowd she began ranting about "the light" and other meaningless ideas of her. Never again! On a side note, I also happened to be with two Puritans in my anti-militarist activism and it was almost the same: too obsessed with their religious ideas to be of any use.
Anyone who tells me I "live forever" is a cult. Any words describing that I live forever and was created by a god written down on a page by a man is a lie!
JESUS MY Heavenly Father hear my prayers. Give me courage. As a single mother, raising not one but two children with special needs can be overwhelming. I’m constantly struggling to pay bills. Struggling to buy groceries, struggling to do it all. I want to give up however faith is all I have left and faith is all I need. FATHER GIVE ME YOUR STRENGTH. IN JESUS NAME.
Too scared to learn. I bet u love baseless conspiracy theories about satan but actually looking into satan is too much. Is studying satan in the context of the Bible too much too? Or is that okay?
Get over yourself, everything exists in a context and some are more than one, don't hide the bubble of "Satan bad, Satanism Bad" with no solid basis. That's "out-group" thinking
I met a fellow who identified with the more current group highlighted at 33:00. Fascinating, both his outlook and my initial reaction. We first met during the beginning of a massive Dark Night and reconstruction cycle in my life. We only had conversation twice, yet I am wholly grateful for hearing his outlook and philosophy. Much respect.
And much respect to the 2 of you, quite well done.
Thank you for a informative work
Is called propaganda
Thank you both. Very interesting.
Your videos on religion is literally the best on this platform thank you for these videos of bringing to light how wonderful and complex these religions actually are. I’m hoping you make a video on the common belief amongst certain religious people that’s “all religions are the same they just teach things in a different way” or “all religion lead to one truth. I feel like this belief is quite common and it would be fascinating to learn if throughout history this sort of belief was constant in different religious traditions.
Over explaining Evil is still Evil.
Very cool discussion
Byron, Shelley, Milton? How Anglo! What about Baudelaire? He's much more openly Satanist than all those English poets together!
"You tha to console the weak in their suffering
to mix you teach us saltpeter, coal and sulphur,
o Satan have compassion of my mysery!"
"Let the Tree of Science spread out and its foliage
like a new temple flourish in your homage".
"Race of Cain reach out to Heaven
and dump God down against Earth".
Etcetera...
a much needed rational discourse
For who? Over educated propagandists?
Ritual : "psycho drama" (very well put)
I would really enjoy a video on the Yezidi
so cool! thanks!!
Nice job! Hello everyone, I am a theology student who has to improve his fluency in speaking English. So if there is anyone with the same issue I would aprreciate like ft 1 time weekly, maybe talking about some current theological problems or something like that 😊
The guest is oddly sexy and vampire-esque. It's disturbing, but I'm all in. Plus, I'm drawn to the topic. So, here we are.
There is no distinction between Satan worship and Luciferian worship. Only SELF identification.
Primary sources are an excellent resource? No way. 😉
satanism in the norwegian Black Metal scene was - according to varg vikernes- never meant serious by anyone. except maybe euronymous
I would love to debate either of you on how youbare downplaying Satanism. Any day any time any platform. Won't even charge you.
How was Baudelaire a satanist 😅?
Here first.
Independent fact checkers have found this information to be false.
If this comment gets 666 likes, I'll comment a devil emoji.
Okay. I hope middle School gets easier
Take it easy, pal. I was homeschooled. It's all in good fun.
Liked 😈🤓
A Dare or common smarty pants....bet I know how you voted too.
"Satan *or an equivalent of it* is venerated in a central position". OK, then if I dislike typical Christian-reverse Satanism but I do embrace Loki-Prometheus, am I then "Satanist" in that broader sense? 🤔
I wouldn't say so. Prometheus had cults in ancient times which means He is a part of the Ancient Greek religion as much as the other Gods are. He's a part of that divine order. And while we don't necessarily know definitively if Loki was worshipped or not, His being a member of the Aesir and the amount of times His antics have benefited the Gods in their end results would suggest that He too is a part of the divine order of the Norse Gods despite possibly being destined to help destroy that order in the future
@@WildMen4444 - Well, my take is that Loki-Prometeus (demonstrated to be the same fundamental deity by Stephany 2012) are the Indoeuropeanized "captive" version of Basque Sugaar (the snake or dragon God, consort of Goddess Mari, which is the same as Morrigan in Celtic version or Gaia in the Greek version). All them are fire deities but tricksters only in the Indoeuropean ("tamed") version, Prometheus and Loki are both related to the prophecy of the fall of the patriarch gods and Prometheus specifically has very strong affinities to what the Hebrew Genesis says about Eden: He acts as both the creator god in relation to Humankind (in both cases using clay as basis) but He also incarnates the snake of paradise as light-bringer ("Lucifer", "Phosphoros") or harbinger of Knowledge (arguably a "bad thing" bc that's why Adam and Eve were punished for, so the Bible says).
Incidentally, in Basque mythology, the black he-goat is since times immemorial an avatar of Mari (other animals too but these are red, as is her dress when She appears in human form). Akerbeltz, as is said in Basque, where it's considered a protector of the home and often chained to its gate (I've seen one of those, they can be quite scary), was revered already in Roman times, with a votive slab being erected by two women right in the middle of the Pyrenees reading "Aherbelste Deo" ("to the god black buck"). My take here is that the Satanic icon was at least partly borrowed from Basque traditional religion, as pre-Christian or synchretic such beliefs persisted, in intense dialectics with the Christian religion, as legends repeatedly attest (as well as inquisitorial persecutions), to recent times.
In any case there is a deep Vasconic substrate in Europe especially (Neolithic legacy, also Bell Beaker and Megalithism) which also trascends into religion (and "anti-religion"). It does relate to Satanism but it's not quite the same and it definitely does not "worship evil" at all. In the take of Hartsuaga, Basque religion was about social justice (and also chthonic), while Indoeuropean religion was about winning (no matter what, cheating even) and is celestial instead.
Not likely, no, as Loki and Prometheus were not satans. Satan is a title, a descriptor, roughly meaning "Adversary of God", specifically in relation to the Abrahamic god. Prometheus and Loki are from faiths and cultures separate from the Abrahamics.
Almost universally misunderstood thank you
Nope, it is understood pretty accurately
Even when it tries to be paganistic, how it fails miserably
This is SO CRINGE.
Please, explain how it is cringe.
For instance, The Yezidi's and their beautiful veneration of MelekTaus, the many feathered peacock and Demiurge ('Satan) in control of THIS world, who must be appeased since he controls this world, but God (above all) forgives all. Non Western strain of 'Satanism' (if you really wish to dub it so) . I see it as yet another budding of the antimonious spirit.
I write my thank you to you both as a resident in the UK and deeply embarrassed American Citizen.
Managing Females seemingly on the rise again either to cover them up or remove personal decisions from them...... esp today early Nov 2024 needed this academic knowledge.
Knowledge is power Ignorance taken advantage of always Harms!!
I've considered myself a follower of Luciferianism for years now. I came to by no means of influence or direction, it just sort of implanted itself in my mind. That said, there doesn't seem to be a lot of information about it anywhere online and finding books about it is even more rare.
Would it be possible to get a video talking about Luciferianism?
Hyperboreanism is you ticket, books by Nimrod de Rosario
Sabbatai Zevi was much older Satanist. Truly a Adversary.
"Is there a dircect line to LeVay?" Yes Satan is the Common Denominator
This guy has patriarchy confused with hierarchy.
Most people from the Södertörn university are.
Do you mean that feminists in the 19th century confused the terms?
@LetsTalkReligion Yes.
@@Seekandtune Ok
Explain.
Here 4th
Hair dye alert
... neither of the speakers here have hairdye.
I happened to share anti-Patriarchal activism with a Theosophist couple from my area and I can say for a fact that they're completely nuts. When she had to talk of anti-Patriarchy before a crowd she began ranting about "the light" and other meaningless ideas of her. Never again!
On a side note, I also happened to be with two Puritans in my anti-militarist activism and it was almost the same: too obsessed with their religious ideas to be of any use.
Iconoclastic outsiders..
I like the story of Moses..
leaves for the wilderness only to commune with demons in returning to destroy civilization
Seth
Yep, exodus is set worship
You buy into LeVays cover of ignorance?!!?! You really do not have the abilto read between the line! Unbelievable
Something more related to LaVeyan satanism would have been more interesting. This SJW Feminist TST stuff is quite cringe
I think you need to look up the academic definition of feminism.
@the_cosmic_spud ☝🏻🤓
LeVeyan Satanism is just sexism and eugenics blanketed by theatrics. It's not interesting.
Calling feminism "cringe" is proper incel behaviour.
bring out the O9A stuff.
Anyone who tells me I "live forever" is a cult. Any words describing that I live forever and was created by a god written down on a page by a man is a lie!
JESUS MY Heavenly Father hear my prayers. Give me courage. As a single mother, raising not one but two children with special needs can be overwhelming. I’m constantly struggling to pay bills. Struggling to buy groceries, struggling to do it all. I want to give up however faith is all I have left and faith is all I need. FATHER GIVE ME YOUR STRENGTH. IN JESUS NAME.
Keep it in Church. This is a video about Satanism, not your little religion.
Not the time and place for that, but all the best with your endeavors.
I'm out. Trucking with Satan deserves no context.
Too scared to learn. I bet u love baseless conspiracy theories about satan but actually looking into satan is too much. Is studying satan in the context of the Bible too much too? Or is that okay?
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Bye. Live in ignorance, and you will never grow.
Get over yourself, everything exists in a context and some are more than one, don't hide the bubble of "Satan bad, Satanism Bad" with no solid basis. That's "out-group" thinking
Ever heard of Ahriman or Angra Mainyu? That's the origin of the character or at least one of the major ones.
Die Tiefe des hier geteilten Wissens ist wirklich bemerkenswert. Es ist, als würde man die Tiefen eines intellektuellen Ozeans erkunden.👄
Well said!