I've been a Jerry fan most of my life and was fortunate to see 100 shows and I want to thank you because I never thought of Bobby in this context. It adds a lovely weave to this fabric
big thanks for this. Bobby was the sweetest guy, taking me in with him at the Fillmore East three times when we poor kids were begging for spare tickets outside. Jack with Jefferson Airplane did the same twice. Righteous dudes!
Bobby is a national treasure. Grateful beyond words to still be able to see him live, see him play, hear him sing these sweet songs. God Bless the Grateful Dead.
When I first got into the GD, loooong ago, I could not figure out what Weir was doing up on stage. I couldn't "hear" his guitar much of the time. I heard Garcia and Lesh just fine, and I began to wonder if Weir's guitar was not in the mix. After a short time, one night I figured out that his chords were so skillfuly tied into the interplay between Garcia and Lesh so well that I had been hearing him and did not know it. He also tied it all up with the rhythm of the drummers that it may seem transparent at times. And I mean that in the most complimentary way. He's a brilliant and unique player (not counting the lead slide work on Little Red Rooster).
Clip of Bob talking is from the doc "The Other One". If you havent already, watch it. Amazing insights about Bob, and also inside the world of Bob, Jery, and the Dead. 5 stars.
I think they all left their ego backstage and let the music play. The guitar interplay between Garcia and weir is unlike any other. Then add those devils from the rhythm section with Phil tying it all together. Too beautiful to explain with words
Garcia also stated long ago that he'd never got to understand what Phil Lesh was doing with his bass, but added that theirs was a free-sprit band and had just begun to really appreciate his contribution. He might have had a change of heart or joking moments most probably.
Bobby's studio needs to be designated as holy ground and someday I wish it could be open for small tours. The stories of who and how it was built, plus all the musicians who laid their craft down in there can't be forgotten. 71-77 is my fav years. The grand piano Kieth years. Although I will admit any dead is good dead :P
In my opinion, Bob weir'd is THE greatest rhythm guitarist. Cool props from other bands. Great video.... Ps- Dang, I still miss JG...Big ups and much love to all. Word! : )
What they and the Stones call weaving can be traced back to the post-war Chicago blues bands. Those guys also had a better feel for arranging because they were influenced more by big bands than guitarists.
I always thought Bob was an outstanding and creative rhythm guitarist. He's too low in the mix for my liking on many recordings but, live, he seemed more front and centre in the soundscape. Jerry was more accomplished in the very early days but Bob was younger and less experienced. The mature Bob was great.
This is most the case (being too low in the mix) on the 80s recordings, when Dan Healy, who reportedly had a "thing" against Weir, typically deliberately put him low in the mix (as well as at times screwing around with effects on his voice). It's a damn shame because Weir's playing is as fascinating as Jerry's was. Regarding Bob's evolution on guitar, certainly by '72 he had fully developed a unique sensibility (though it did progress from there).
Look no "further" than Bob's Demo of Weather Report Suite. Its on RUclips and showcases how talented he really was at such a young age. Especially how difficult it was psychology practicing while it came so natural for Jerry. Bob deserves tremendous credit and anyone who says otherwise can fuck themselves.
Byrds grateful dead Allman brothers cream lots of band's were directly influenced by miles and Coltrane's group's...that's how art works passing around ideas approaches feelings man 🤛👏✌...
Didn’t want to include the name only so that it did not get flagged and taken down. But I think less than 5% is considered fair use. Let’s find out it. The name is The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of … (2014).
In a lot of these comments I am seeing a limited understanding of music. I am a guitarist and I perform at a professional level. I also studied music in college. In his prime, Bob Weir was just as accomplished at his instrument as anyone else in the band. He was an even more original guitarist than Jerry - and I say that as someone who loves Jerry. It is no wonder that his bandmates have enormous respect for his best playing and songwriting. At certain points during his career he fell off of his game a bit in both areas, but at his best he is a phenomenally creative musician.
Bob is a far better player than most think. And I love what Sammy had to say. Sammy Hagar is so wise and has what seems like little to no ego. He stuck with VH through Eddie’s worst too. He’s also a freakin killer guitar player.
Jerry was the voice, but Bobby was the engine driving, pushing the Grateful Dead. Jerry forgot his lines all the time, forgot to sing, forgot to play, forgot to care, and got all the ovations. I usually skip to the Jerry songs too. Bob always came ready to play, sang loud and clear, talked to the crowd, talked to the band, and all the "Bobby" songs have the best Jerry work.
I always found it amusing that Bobby would forget the words to some of his own compositions but could remember the words to the covers ..especially the Dylan covers and also songs like El Paso, Me and My Uncle, Promised Land, Big River,etc. all had quite a few lyrics that if screwed up messes up the whole story. Yeah, he pretty much botched Trucking everytime I saw them. Lol. @@nedrobinson7490
I can see it in regards to the guitar, although Keith is pretty egotistical... I've seen him bash just about every rock band you can imagine in interviews. He's bashed Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Who, Pink Floyd, The Beatles. I truly think that Keith believes the Rolling Stones are the best and that they're perfect...
I agree that Lesh's comment was a bit over the top, but Bob is definately one of the best. But there is no ONE best player, Phil. Love 'em both..They're brilliant players. Bob deserves so much more credit than he gets.
So funny- Bob tells guitarist-how to play like him: watch McCoy , and learn inversions. And practice backing up vocalists- which was what Jerry was when soloing: a vocalist. Its not easy- but its not magic.
When I was about twelve, I saw the Dead play in Monterrey. One of the most boring bands I have ever seen. The third or fourth song into their set was so long, they became background music as everybody was talking and laughing or going to get refreshments or visit the john. They only got more boring after that!
And without Bob you wouldn’t have all the available Grateful Dead music you have today. Jerry is the star but they all have roles that make it cohesive and what it is. You for sure wouldn’t know Jerry as well if the events leading to the band hadn’t went that way and he stayed a banjo player.
Without Bob the band would sound a bit more like Garcia Band, which is fine but not the Dead. And you're making a ridiculous statement because Weir produced many great songs- so what does "no one" really mean? Fewer than who do know him, in all likelihood, but probably a lot more than whoever knows you and me and most of the other schlubs here.
Truth was Jerry and Phil wanted to fire this overrated guitar hero back in 67...but his popularity with the girls and groupies...and his strong bloodline cult link thru his powerful Military Industrial Complex connected biological father who was also a member of the demonic bohemian club kept him in the fold. But this musical fraudster was never an integral part of the band. Hell Phil and Jerry had to teach him how to play and used to have to tune his guitars for him just so he could at least try and stay in the right key. And he still plays and sings off key and out of step with the rest of the band most of the time today. Its just that stoned out or high on nostalgia fans have been programmed to overlook these cold hard empirical truths so they can hold on to this dead carcass of a relic for as long as possible.
Not true read Phil's book. Yes, they did want to fire him in 67 but Phil said over time he learned to appreciate Bobby's playing. I used to have the same opinion as you but one day you will realize just how talented of a player Bobby is. He's definitely not Phil or Jerry but he IS integral to the Grateful Dead!
@@ksarecords8099 Seen him too many times having way more bad nights more than good ones to change my mind on this Bohemian Grove nazi. Loved Jerry and the rest of the band though.
You think Jerry kept Bob in the band because of his popularity with the girls? You definitely don’t know Jerry Garcia. It’s laughable that you actually believe Bob couldn’t tune a guitar. He was so good when he was only 16 that Jerry asked him to play in a jug band with him. Also clear that you have a limited understanding of music because you think that because Weir doesn’t play major chords or triads that he is “off key”. Also, Bob didn’t even know or meet his biological father until after the Grateful Dead were over with, so it’s impossible that he somehow kept Bobby in the band.
@@subg8858 Yes, and also, as most people do these days, they misused the word 'compare' and 'comparison'. To compare something isn't the same thing as *equate*. You can compare anything, and do it reasonably. How the hell else do you figure stuff out? It's how you analyze it, via the comparison; that's the key. Lastly, getting back to the in fluence thing....why is it that so many people can't think abstractly and understand what 'influence' means? And as far as influence goes, I think it's a reasonable statement. If you know anything about Weir's guitar playing and how he shifts the inversions of the chords around, he approaches chording more like a jazz player than a rock player. And his rhythmic use of the chords do make me feel that mentioning Tyner is appropriate. I am not a Deadhead...well, maybe I used to be....I sort of outgrew them. So, I know a bit about their music, and Weir's style is very unique. I'm also very familiar with Coltrane's work, particularly when Tyner was in his band.
Not in Weir's case, in terms of his guitar work- there are countless instances during which his playing is offbeat and fascinating in the best of ways. Have you actually listened to it? I guess if you hate Jazz past 1960, for example, you'll dislike Weir's playing. Or if you hate the Dead in general. Certainly by the '70s Garcia and Lesh regarded him as an essential part of the creative mix. I have no idea how he's been since Garcia's death, though, because I generally don't listen to the "Dead" incarnations past then.
You are the poser.....Bob was a huge part of their music. He played behind Jerry so Jerry could do his thing. Bob played rithym to help keep time and so it wouldn't sound so empty. It wouldn't have been what it was without Bob. And Jerry sucked live because he was so high....so without Bob....would have been a mess....and I've been to MANY shows....
@@JamieCarter-wv8rpJerry definitely did not "suck live, because he was high". That an enormously ignorant and ludicrous statement from someone who supposedly was a fan. Jerry never sucked when I saw the Dead, so maybe it was you that were high, and didn't understand what the music was all about. Bobby had his role, which was wonderful, but he absolutely didn't not carry the band because "Jerry was high". Each member of the Dead was getting high on something at one time or another, certainly not just Jerry
I've been a Jerry fan most of my life and was fortunate to see 100 shows and I want to thank you because I never thought of Bobby in this context. It adds a lovely weave to this fabric
big thanks for this. Bobby was the sweetest guy, taking me in with him at the Fillmore East three times when we poor kids were begging for spare tickets outside. Jack with Jefferson Airplane did the same twice. Righteous dudes!
Bobby is a national treasure. Grateful beyond words to still be able to see him live, see him play, hear him sing these sweet songs. God Bless the Grateful Dead.
When I first got into the GD, loooong ago, I could not figure out what Weir was doing up on stage. I couldn't "hear" his guitar much of the time. I heard Garcia and Lesh just fine, and I began to wonder if Weir's guitar was not in the mix. After a short time, one night I figured out that his chords were so skillfuly tied into the interplay between Garcia and Lesh so well that I had been hearing him and did not know it. He also tied it all up with the rhythm of the drummers that it may seem transparent at times. And I mean that in the most complimentary way. He's a brilliant and unique player (not counting the lead slide work on Little Red Rooster).
Clearly, Bobby was a key component in the Dead and had an integral role in what has become known as "jam bands."
“Clearly, the sky is blue, which is integral to the fact that artists paint blue skys”
@@jamescerone lol, I do tend to diss Bobby. Well put.
@@archstanton_live Bob “I want my tone to sound like metal rubbing against glass” Weir
The Bobby haters are ridiculous. He's unorthodox sure because he's a genius.
@@mattdavis911 well put....It's just that it is easy to burn out on Bobby songs before one burns out on Jerry songs. ;)
Weir’s jazz-inspired chording made the Dead for me especially in the late 60s and 70s. It was the inventive rhythm work and that tone.
Exactly. I agree.
The Dead is a band experience no one member was more important than any other everybody added ingredients to the meal
Thanks, Tracy! Fascinating, interesting little bit, there.
Bobby Ace the Chief of the God damn Grateful Dead Weir, underestimated prophet. Love ya man.
No one plays like Bob. What an amazing player.
Thanks for this upload. I'm gonna take a second listen to Bob & Co. after getting a sample cause as a theory this is the way I prefer jamming.
In case anyone was wondering, this recording was made from the Netflix documentary, The Other One: The Long Strange Trip of Bob Weir.
I'll never forget how cool Bobby was when I met him. I mean, the vibes are unreal. Mad Ojas. Mad, Mad Ojas.
Clip of Bob talking is from the doc "The Other One". If you havent already, watch it. Amazing insights about Bob, and also inside the world of Bob, Jery, and the Dead. 5 stars.
I think they all left their ego backstage and let the music play. The guitar interplay between Garcia and weir is unlike any other. Then add those devils from the rhythm section with Phil tying it all together. Too beautiful to explain with words
At the end, all I could think was "More"!
There is video of a Garcia interview where like Hagar, Garcia states that Weir's rhythm guitar playing is so good because his ego is kept in check.
Garcia also stated long ago that he'd never got to understand what Phil Lesh was doing with his bass, but added that theirs was a free-sprit band and had just begun to really appreciate his contribution. He might have had a change of heart or joking moments most probably.
This is the Deepest of Cuts right here!!
Bobby's studio needs to be designated as holy ground and someday I wish it could be open for small tours. The stories of who and how it was built, plus all the musicians who laid their craft down in there can't be forgotten. 71-77 is my fav years. The grand piano Kieth years. Although I will admit any dead is good dead :P
Awesome!!!! Thank You Tracy!!!
In my opinion, Bob weir'd is THE greatest rhythm guitarist. Cool props from other bands. Great video.... Ps- Dang, I still miss JG...Big ups and much love to all. Word! : )
Saw him in Austin in March 2023. The best!!
BOBBY!
What they and the Stones call weaving can be traced back to the post-war Chicago blues bands. Those guys also had a better feel for arranging because they were influenced more by big bands than guitarists.
Without guitar player's like Bob Weir, Malcolm Young the music just wouldn't be the same.
A video of a video
"I was feeling hemmed in" ... just abut the time he got fired by Phil and Jerry. (He just kept showing up).
I always thought Bob was an outstanding and creative rhythm guitarist. He's too low in the mix for my liking on many recordings but, live, he seemed more front and centre in the soundscape. Jerry was more accomplished in the very early days but Bob was younger and less experienced. The mature Bob was great.
This is most the case (being too low in the mix) on the 80s recordings, when Dan Healy, who reportedly had a "thing" against Weir, typically deliberately put him low in the mix (as well as at times screwing around with effects on his voice). It's a damn shame because Weir's playing is as fascinating as Jerry's was. Regarding Bob's evolution on guitar, certainly by '72 he had fully developed a unique sensibility (though it did progress from there).
Look no "further" than Bob's Demo of Weather Report Suite. Its on RUclips and showcases how talented he really was at such a young age. Especially how difficult it was psychology practicing while it came so natural for Jerry. Bob deserves tremendous credit and anyone who says otherwise can fuck themselves.
What’s this from? Would love to hear the rest of it
The Other One documentary, available on Netflix.
@@eboethrasherfantastic documentary.. a must. Truly.
Byrds grateful dead Allman brothers cream lots of band's were directly influenced by miles and Coltrane's group's...that's how art works passing around ideas approaches feelings man 🤛👏✌...
Where is this from?
Didn’t want to include the name only so that it did not get flagged and taken down. But I think less than 5% is considered fair use. Let’s find out it. The name is The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of … (2014).
@@tracycramer4817 Thanks!
Weir plays great ...
In a lot of these comments I am seeing a limited understanding of music. I am a guitarist and I perform at a professional level. I also studied music in college. In his prime, Bob Weir was just as accomplished at his instrument as anyone else in the band. He was an even more original guitarist than Jerry - and I say that as someone who loves Jerry. It is no wonder that his bandmates have enormous respect for his best playing and songwriting. At certain points during his career he fell off of his game a bit in both areas, but at his best he is a phenomenally creative musician.
Bobby is Scottie Pippen
That's not fair, Pippen exhibited and still exhibits jealousy, regret and hubris. Bobby is John Stockton.
@@jiminut Love that!
Bob is a far better player than most think. And I love what Sammy had to say. Sammy Hagar is so wise and has what seems like little to no ego. He stuck with VH through Eddie’s worst too. He’s also a freakin killer guitar player.
it's hard to tell though with bobby always mixed so low.
Awesome.
The Other One
Love seeing Bobby get his due
Jerry was the voice, but Bobby was the engine driving, pushing the Grateful Dead. Jerry forgot his lines all the time, forgot to sing, forgot to play, forgot to care, and got all the ovations. I usually skip to the Jerry songs too. Bob always came ready to play, sang loud and clear, talked to the crowd, talked to the band, and all the "Bobby" songs have the best Jerry work.
And he NEVER, not even once, messed up the lyrics to Truckin’ 😉
I always found it amusing that Bobby would forget the words to some of his own compositions but could remember the words to the covers ..especially the Dylan covers and also songs like El Paso, Me and My Uncle, Promised Land, Big River,etc. all had quite a few lyrics that if screwed up messes up the whole story. Yeah, he pretty much botched Trucking everytime I saw them. Lol. @@nedrobinson7490
@@nedrobinson7490 HAHAHA
Bobby songs are and were some of my favorites, Salior>St, Estimated, Black Throated Wind are just a few of the great numbers.
the country western 'bobby the kid' tunes 1970-74 ... set the tone for many evenings ...
Idk if i learned what i wanted to based on the title? Lol...
Sigorny also wove
Underrated comment 🤣
Sigourney was certainly not Alien to the ways of the Weaver.
Not a musician, but Weir’s attitude toward the guitar seems similar to Keith Richards.
I can see it in regards to the guitar, although Keith is pretty egotistical... I've seen him bash just about every rock band you can imagine in interviews. He's bashed Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Who, Pink Floyd, The Beatles. I truly think that Keith believes the Rolling Stones are the best and that they're perfect...
His playing is a 100x more complex than anything Keith Richards ever did. Its not even in the same ballpark.
To say he has the most unique style of playing guitar is def a bit of a stretch
He plays like a jazz player so there are definitely quite a few jazz players that comp similar. Not really any rock players I can think of
@@humanbeing5300 No other rock rhythm guitarist even comes close.
I agree that Lesh's comment was a bit over the top, but Bob is definately one of the best. But there is no ONE best player, Phil. Love 'em both..They're brilliant players. Bob deserves so much more credit than he gets.
So funny- Bob tells guitarist-how to play like him: watch McCoy , and learn inversions. And practice backing up vocalists- which was what Jerry was when soloing: a vocalist. Its not easy- but its not magic.
We been spit on enough ,have a ball peeps if ???
Problem is Jerry couldn't play.
Oh wow, what an edgy comment. I'm sure you're the best guitarist ever, in your mom's basement
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@@Mrmustard1380I am the best guitarist in my mom’s basement 😂
@@Mrmustard1380 I think Jerry was a great guy and good blue grass player, but listen to what he's doing in the video!?
What?
When I was about twelve, I saw the Dead play in Monterrey. One of the most boring bands I have ever seen. The third or fourth song into their set was so long, they became background music as everybody was talking and laughing or going to get refreshments or visit the john. They only got more boring after that!
sometimes theyre unbelievably good too tho
Doubtful in the extreme that a 12 year old would be able to understand their music...or Mingus or Parker or Shostakovich;)
@@earforenglish5867 so does the band you like
Ok
I love the Grateful Dead and this comment too tbh 😂
without jerry no one would know who bob was
And without Bob you wouldn’t have all the available Grateful Dead music you have today. Jerry is the star but they all have roles that make it cohesive and what it is. You for sure wouldn’t know Jerry as well if the events leading to the band hadn’t went that way and he stayed a banjo player.
@@direwolf8093 exactly
Without Bob the band would sound a bit more like Garcia Band, which is fine but not the Dead. And you're making a ridiculous statement because Weir produced many great songs- so what does "no one" really mean? Fewer than who do know him, in all likelihood, but probably a lot more than whoever knows you and me and most of the other schlubs here.
But it's no fun to listen to
Truth was Jerry and Phil wanted to fire this overrated guitar hero back in 67...but his popularity with the girls and groupies...and his strong bloodline cult link thru his powerful Military Industrial Complex connected biological father who was also a member of the demonic bohemian club kept him in the fold.
But this musical fraudster was never an integral part of the band. Hell Phil and Jerry had to teach him how to play and used to have to tune his guitars for him just so he could at least try and stay in the right key. And he still plays and sings off key and out of step with the rest of the band most of the time today. Its just that stoned out or high on nostalgia fans have been programmed to overlook these cold hard empirical truths so they can hold on to this dead carcass of a relic for as long as possible.
Truth is, we’ve all heard that shit before. Might be true but you can’t prove any of it.
Not true read Phil's book. Yes, they did want to fire him in 67 but Phil said over time he learned to appreciate Bobby's playing. I used to have the same opinion as you but one day you will realize just how talented of a player Bobby is. He's definitely not Phil or Jerry but he IS integral to the Grateful Dead!
@@ksarecords8099 Seen him too many times having way more bad nights more than good ones to change my mind on this Bohemian Grove nazi.
Loved Jerry and the rest of the band though.
You think Jerry kept Bob in the band because of his popularity with the girls? You definitely don’t know Jerry Garcia. It’s laughable that you actually believe Bob couldn’t tune a guitar. He was so good when he was only 16 that Jerry asked him to play in a jug band with him. Also clear that you have a limited understanding of music because you think that because Weir doesn’t play major chords or triads that he is “off key”. Also, Bob didn’t even know or meet his biological father until after the Grateful Dead were over with, so it’s impossible that he somehow kept Bobby in the band.
Nonsense, Bob is very talented -- you are talking out your ass. Was he perfect? ? No -- but Weir/ Barlow gave us some great music.
Must be an acquired taste sounds like a bunch of racket to me
I didn't like them very much the first dozen or so times I heard them, then eventually it clicked. Everything's not for everyone
It’s 100% preposterous to compare himself to Evans and Tyner. Omg laughing on ceiling
He said that was who he influenced by. That’s not a comparison
@@subg8858 Yes, and also, as most people do these days, they misused the word 'compare' and 'comparison'. To compare something isn't the same thing as *equate*. You can compare anything, and do it reasonably. How the hell else do you figure stuff out? It's how you analyze it, via the comparison; that's the key. Lastly, getting back to the in fluence thing....why is it that so many people can't think abstractly and understand what 'influence' means? And as far as influence goes, I think it's a reasonable statement. If you know anything about Weir's guitar playing and how he shifts the inversions of the chords around, he approaches chording more like a jazz player than a rock player. And his rhythmic use of the chords do make me feel that mentioning Tyner is appropriate. I am not a Deadhead...well, maybe I used to be....I sort of outgrew them. So, I know a bit about their music, and Weir's style is very unique. I'm also very familiar with Coltrane's work, particularly when Tyner was in his band.
Really? That’s what you heard? I think it’s obvious what comment is preposterous.😂
It just meant he was lazy and didn't take his craft very seriously..lol!
“Unique” is a euphemism for bad
Clueless
Your take is "unique" then...
@@jamieharr4459 then you agree with the premise
Not in Weir's case, in terms of his guitar work- there are countless instances during which his playing is offbeat and fascinating in the best of ways. Have you actually listened to it? I guess if you hate Jazz past 1960, for example, you'll dislike Weir's playing. Or if you hate the Dead in general. Certainly by the '70s Garcia and Lesh regarded him as an essential part of the creative mix. I have no idea how he's been since Garcia's death, though, because I generally don't listen to the "Dead" incarnations past then.
jerry was the dead.
bob is a poseur.
just a pretty boy to front the band.
jerry was the one making the music..
How many shows have you been to?
You are the poser.....Bob was a huge part of their music. He played behind Jerry so Jerry could do his thing. Bob played rithym to help keep time and so it wouldn't sound so empty. It wouldn't have been what it was without Bob. And Jerry sucked live because he was so high....so without Bob....would have been a mess....and I've been to MANY shows....
unfair....
@@JamieCarter-wv8rpJerry definitely did not "suck live, because he was high". That an enormously ignorant and ludicrous statement from someone who supposedly was a fan. Jerry never sucked when I saw the Dead, so maybe it was you that were high, and didn't understand what the music was all about. Bobby had his role, which was wonderful, but he absolutely didn't not carry the band because "Jerry was high". Each member of the Dead was getting high on something at one time or another, certainly not just Jerry
@@JamieCarter-wv8rphelp keep time? They had two drummers 😂😂😂
What is this from?
The Other One: The Long Strange Trip of Bob Weir (2015) Netflix