Great to see this 80's model In action today Oscar. A lovely item that seems to be fetching huge sums lately in boxed condition. Definitely a collectors item. It runs superbly. Best regards to you
Hi Mr Snooze glad you enjoyed seeing his 80s icon from Hornby in action on the railway, must've been quite good fun for the development team at the time. Thanks again take care. Oscar
I always remember the cover of the Private Eye magazine at the time... picture and caption ... "have you seen my sausage roll waiter?... It's the tilt mechanism Sir".... :-)
Hi Oscar, was fortunate to have picked up an identical set as part of the original train set. It's been sitting in cupboard for the last 25 years so is incredible condition. As is the case with many, it's missing the pantograph, but modern 3d printing allows accurate replica ones to be available a bit cheaper. I'm a member of the west of scotland model railway club and this will be fully serviced at the next meeting. Overall delighted with my purchase. Looking forward to seeing it running around one of the layouts. Thanks for the excellent channel.
I was lucky enough to be given the R794 APT Train Pack for Christmas 1982. Two years later I joined British Rail and I remember watching the APT storming past Willesden South West Sidings a few months before the APT project was shelved. I became a train driver in 2002 and found myself driving tilting trains that utilised some of the technology gained by the development of the APT. I am still driving trains (they don’t tilt anymore...) and I still have my original APT although it has not seen service in twenty years. Thanks for sharing your model railway.
Hi Adrian great to hear you enjoyed seeing the railway in action with Hornby's original APT, sounds like there were some great technologies developed in bringing APT into its short lived service, sadly I never got to see one run for real, must've been terrific to drive a tilting train. Thanks for watching take care. Oscar
I know the APT was not so popular in real life as maybe the HST's were, but I always loved the APT Model. It looks really good on the track and I love the way it tilts, similar to the real thing. Having the motor in the centre was quite an interesting thing, but I think it really benefitted the model. :) Like the 125 HST, these are a good candidate for the LED lighting conversion to make the lights perform better than the old grain of wheat globe.
Beige (pink) for First Class, blue for Second Class (later BR renamed that Standard). Hornby changed the livery to keep up to date with the changes made by the Inter City sector of BR. Lovely model. No doubt a modern equivalent from Hornby would be £500+
On the real thing both sets of seat covers were done in an extra-bold tartan design to recognise their use on London-Glasgow services. Never travelled on one (they weren’t in service for long) but was shown inside one at Derby Works. Cramped body shell (for tilt) and garish tartan would have made for an unpleasant experience on a long journey.
I recently bought the R543 set from 1980 brand new in box with track and controller. Recommended to use on 2nd radius track and above, with straights added on multiple curves if possible. Going slower on points is recommended too. The 1980 model with the plain yellow nose is based on the prototype and from 1981 with the black surround is the production model. I used mine with the H&M Duette controller and it runs extremely fast.
Another enjoyable Sunday morning vid Oscar and doesn’t that look great on your layout. This will open a can of worms; if I’m not mistaken there were three variants of the real APT. The APT-E which all tilting Train technology is based on, the APT prototype which had the yellow ends and the final production train which had the black ends. It’s fun to think of what these would have looked like in various liveries had they remained in service. They would probably have only recently just come to the end of their “in service” life.
Great model. I have the train pack R794, dated 4/8/1981, bought during the closing down sale at a Cumbrian model shop listed on the Hornby dealer network sheet enclosed with the train pack. Sadly I believe all are now closed, fortunately new Hornby stockists have emerged. Mine is now converted to DCC and occasionally gets a run. I have disconnected the driving trailer lighting and may reinstate them sometime with a readily available lighting set but as it requires two more decoders it becomes a considered purchase. Thanks for the memories.
Hi Oscar yet again good video with Hornby ATP train I have just restored one back to it best it looks good and goes like a rocket with new a motor and new transfer s on the body it looks like new again all the best to you Oscar 👍🇬🇧🚂
Great running session with the APT. Looks great snaking around the layout and leaning into the corners.. Always wanted one of these when they came ou., but my pocket money would ever extend that far. Those two catalogues are my favourites as they are the ones I used to dream over for hours. Thanks for sharing. All the best.
Thanks Steve, glad you enjoyed seeing Hornby's originl APT working its way around the layout. I know what you mean about the catalogues, there is a lot of fun to be had looking through these catalogues and letting the imagination run wild, its all part of the fun. Take care. Oscar
Good morning Gavin great to hear you've got to see one of these in action for real, sadly I never did, I remember seeing and hearing about them on news. Terrific technologies developed to bring the APT to service. As you say the model is definitely a bit on the delicate side. Take care. Oscar
i managed to get an extra power car and coaches that had been modified to fit into the set as hornby never did extra coaches, makes it look so much better, a classic model
Oh it was the must have at the time . Announced 1980 it actually appeared in Sept 1980. I remember seeing it at the wonderful toy shop that used to be in Berwick Upon Tweed. Initially only sold in a set . Surprisingly ,given my daily visit to Glasgow passed the real thing based at Shields Road in Glasgow , I never got one . I think I was more interested in the run of the mill railway , class 47s etc at the time, and of course the real thing was problematic . They actually chose to inaugurate it on the coldest December for years! I eventually got one about 6 years ago . Pretty expensive on eBay . She runs well but has had the odd spectacular derailment . It certainly looks better on your layout than mine. Yours shows it curving well , whereas mine is basically a big oval . Brilliant video as always . Happy days !
Hi Russell thanks for the information, great to hear you have one in your collection. I had avoided buying one for sometime, I was always put off by the large number of items that could be broken, I eventually took the plunge and bought one from eBay like yourself, sadly no original packaging, but a wonderful looking item, definitely another Hornby icon I think. Take care. Oscar
I got an HST set for Christmas, but could never afford the APT. Got a mint boxed version from ebay many years ago pretty cheap before any started to get interested in them. Needed to give it a service including some traction tyres - as you say bit of a job to get it apart. Runs well and looks good, at some point I’ll give it some subtle weathering and may add lights. Great to see it in action with you.
Thanks Oscar another wonderful video which showcases the model beautifully. Now is a good time to pick up examples of this model as prices have softened with the release of Hornby’s modern “full fat” model albeit at an eye watering price. It’s also worth visiting the surviving APT at the Crewe Heritage Centre where you can sit in the tartan seats and think about what might have been, you might even travel there on a Voyager which uses the technology developed for the APT. Hornby has always tried to have a model of the fastest loco of the day being quick to market with Mallard, HST, APT, Javelin, Azuma and the Cucumbers on the GWR.
Thank you Simon glad you enjoyed that. The Heritage Centre at crew sounds great I would love to get over there. There are some early parts of the APT at NRM in Shildon, Great looking engineering. take care. Oscar
I too have the city of Derby and mine is in very good condition, I've not noticed the different wheel sets so had a look and there the same as yours , the pantograph is delicate so that stays in the box safe lol ,mine also doesn't have the black band and stays safe in the original train set box with the controller. Sadly the controller never worked but on taking it apart I found a manufacturer fault and soldered it together now it works fine but need to find rivets to put back into it.
Hi thanks for watching and information about the wheels. The pantograph is definitely on the delicate side, I left mine in the down position for fear of snapping it off it's fixing. Great to hear you have the original packaging to go with yours. Take care. Oscar
Good morning Oscar, what a fantastic surprise to see the APT on the railway. Great shots around the layout. Like the one where it’s travelling through the station platforms with the Blue and Red Coronation classes along side it. Pendolino?? Willa there be a surprise visit with one of those?? Such a wonderful model from 80/81. Something really special to go along side the 125. Thankyou again for such a wonderful look back at these models. All best Marc
Good afternoon Marc, great to hear enjoyed seeing Hornby's original APT on the railway, Pendolino is dangerously new... but you never know. Looking back on the models from that period I think this is definitely one of the iconic ones from Hornby. Thanks again take care.
I may be mistaken, but recently I have noticed a few 1970s red boxed BR Custard/ Blood Composite and brake coaches in new condition. |These are boxed and as if back in the 70s in a shop. I bought a couple. They are superb. I noticed the boxes had no tearing whatsoever. No wear either. The film is intact and not brittle. The silver seal wheels are new. They have box axles. I noticed when they pass over modern points they catch in the gap. I tried my originals. I have three that came with the Princess Victoria set. They have no problem on the points. In fact all my '79s coach wheels pass ok over the points. There is no old smell from the box. It smells new. Running my hand over the side of the coaches, there is a new plastic dust, These have never been out the box. Underneath it says Built in Britain, In the same week I have seen three loads of these in "Excellent" condition on Ebay. They reach high prices. Not surprising as they are harder to find in any condition let alone new condition. I am suspicious that these are forgeries, I am aware that there are no longer customs checks and this may be linked to that.
Good morning Gavin, that sounds quite curious! I've not come across them yet myself but I shall certainly have a look out for them. Thanks again for watching and the information, take care. Oscar
Hi Oscar, Well Chuffed Railways had one a few months ago, he said they cost £67.80 in the 1980 catalouge at the time, which is about £258 in todays money so quite expensive at the time!
Good morning Roy glad you enjoyed this group of models that make up the Hornby's APT, it becomes quite hypnotic watching it running through the curves. Take care. Oscar
Hi Oscar Lovely model today, I have 3 of these 2 with black surround windows the more collectable ones. It's nice to have these on the layout rather than the new one just released by rapido for hundreds of pounds silly money.our hornby ones are a must just because of it being iconic to the period of the time . Yes a pain to put together I leave mine permanently together. Yours runs well and just as it should be. Used and enjoyed, incidentally the different colours for the seeting were to tell the classes apart. Regards paul osman
The Rapido model is a completely different train Paul, The Rapido model is the E train which came before the P train which is shown in this video, the Rapido model may be expensive but it is worth every penny, I have one and it is an amazing model.
Hi Paul great to hear you have a collection of these, definitely one of Hornby's iconic models. Thanks for the information on the seating. Take care. Oscar
Another great video and running session - thanks for sharing! And thanks for reminding me that I do have the R794 train pack salted away, bought new on its launch and still unboxed & unused. My dreams of building a layout in the early 80's came to nothing! Work got in the way! The launch of Hornby's latest model of the APT triggered mild curiosity in what improvements in design & manufacturing techniques could be achieved over the first model. Like many others, I don't consider today's offerings value for money. 'Ere! Want to buy a mota, John?
It's a very futuristic looking train and it looks great sweeping around the curves. The 'let's knock anything home grown' bad publicity even reached Australia. I remember news stories about it. From what I have read, the technology spawned similar trains that were quite successful. 😊
Good morning Pauline I think you're right the technologies and principles developed for the APT have gone on to be used by others very successfully. It's quite a striking group of models and a very bold move by Hornby at the time I imagine with considerable development on their part. Thanks again take care. Oscar
@@oscarpaisley There was more to the APT than the tilting system, which as you say has now been perfected and in common use, it's main advancement ( for some reason Hornby did not incorporate this in the model ) was the water turbine braking system, that enabled the train to stop from 155mph in the same distance a conventional train took to stop from 100mph, maybe wrong but I don't think this type of braking system has been developed or used elsewhere, so the APT really was so advanced that parts of it's technology has yet to be incorporated in a modern train.
Hornby brought out a new version that was featured on the TV show. However even though it was more finely detailed compared to the old model, many retailers refused to stock it due to the excessive price of it. One shop featured on the same TV show refused to stock it and recommends the older model which he said was just as good running wise.
buenos días Miguel, gracias por tomarte el tiempo de ver el video, es genial saber que disfrutaste viendo estos fascinantes modelos de Hornby en la década de 1980. Oscar
Great video there Oscar, I was hoping that we would see an APT on your layout, I have one of these sets myself but with the black window surrounds which in my opinion looks more nicer than the full yellow ends, I do have a pair of full yellow ends though and do run them occasionally, on mine I have made a few enhancements and improvements, one improvement that I have done is fitted an extra pickup to the trailing bogie so now the trailing boogie picks up on both sides and some enhancements that I have made are fitting overhead warning cable transfers to each vehicle, LED lights to each end including the bright headlight, hopefully may fit rear lights one day and another enhancement that I have made to mine is fitting destination boards on the driving ends and the coaches. The set overall is very good but it is a shame that extra coaches were not made for it and I did hear that hornby were going to do extra coaches but didn’t do them in the end. A little fact for you here which I learned very recently, your model here represents the testing phase of the APT-p, full yellow ends were used when the train was being tested before it went into full service, black window surrounds represents the units in full passenger service.
Good evening David thanks again for watching and the information, sounds like some great modifications you've made to your APT. The extra coaches would've been a nice addition by Hornby. Take care. Oscar
I like the APT, it would seem the model saw more success than the real thing but at least the technology it developed still lives on today. Your model looks to be running well, I would have liked one myself but do have the APT-E from Rapido which is a wonderful train. The different colour seats were first and second class, first class being blue as also designated by the yellow stripe above the windows.
Hi Robin glad to hear you have the APT-E from Rapido, I've seen it on video running and I've seen one in real life but sadly not running, tremendous looking model. Thanks for the information on the seating. Thanks for watching take care. Oscar
Some of your overhead shots were Superb. Do you think you can 3D Print Replacement Couplings. How You've Set Your Layout Up Everything Seems To Go With It. Nothing Looks Out Of Place Or Dated 😁
Good afternoon Tim glad you enjoyed the video and the seeing the layout with this impressive model from Hornby running around. I've had a think about the 3-D version of a couplings that go to the power car but I think the other set are probably beyond my drawing capabilities, being incorporated into a bogie between two cars. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Think there is one at the Crewe Heritage Centre. Featured with Hornby staff examining it to assist with the new production on the Hornby TV documentary series.
Superb ,I have the train pack with black cab window surrounds ,I got it brand new from kings cross models in feb 1985 for £50 a massive amount of money at the time,my mum treated me as she came into some money ,at the time I was a postal cadet of 17 years old on £110 a week so a big chunk if I paid for it 😊,mine is still mint and came with a rail riders application form which I still have too but I did run it and it was fast I laid out a test track with 3rd radius curves in our kitchen hehe ,the pans are fragile mine is ok but they can break or be missing from sets and they are like hens teeth seen one on eBay going for £50 and that wasn’t a buy now but a bid so yes keep it down it’s the plastic part which goes onto the motor which is weak maybe you should 3D print one and keep your original in a safe place as for the model I love mine and to be honest I wouldn’t buy the latest hornby model as it’s to me not much of a leap unlike the APT-E from rapido ,great video and she handled the curves well ,take care Oscar ,Mark 😊👍🏻😊
Good afternoon Mark, Great to hear you've had one all that time and still in great condition. The new one from Hornby does seem rather expensive from what I have seen online. The APT-E from Rapid looks like a terrific group of models. I've seen them online in videos and shortly before our local Model Railway shop closed down someone there had brought one in to show it off, so I've seen it in the flesh but not running. I think they had got it from Sheldon/locomotion/NRM, they also have some sections of the real thing on show there, it's great looking stuff. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Hi that sounds annoying, I found it very difficult to dismantle the bodywork and reassemble these particular models, especially as the plastics have become brittle with age. Thank you for watching. Oscar
Hi Oscar ,, I may be getting the exact apt you are running there so is there any thing special to check for as terms of damage and or problems they had with there tilt mechanism & (if you dont mind me asking) what would they be worth in pounds and I can convert to australian dollars so i dont pay too much for it ... I also finally got a set of 4 car Virgin Trains High Speed Train. R.2045 train pack. It was in excellent condition and only had to do a service on the motor as in pulled apart cleaned it checked it for continuity in it and got it running like a clock. So sorry for all the questions but just i need to ask 1 more if ok with you lol. Would you know what you have to do as in shave the wheels down on a the old triang bobo trains as in the dmu emus and the double eenders vic rail type motors to run on the newer track and also do the newer trains run on super 4 oh and a finally got a hymek too but it might have been already done. I love the apt you have here on this one and some really good photography too. Thanks again & Cheers from John in Australia
Hi John thanks again for watching great to hear you're getting yourself an APT, there are a lot of parts to this group of models, I would just keep an I on the coupling, which were probably great day but I think as the plastics have become older they have become brittle and seem to be susceptible to fracturing. I only have the one example so I can't speak for others. Also there are many clips holding the body work together, which are impossible to see until you try and dismantle the items. Sounds like you are acquiring some really nice items. I've not done the wheels myself, apart from having a stab at it as a child and making a real mess! There are wheelsets which Hornby produced in the early 70s with the lower profile flanges which will fit these models, but like everything from this era they are hard to find now. This seller on eBay (www.ebay.co.uk/usr/chambs123) used to have wheelset turned down to work on contemporary track for the old Tri-ang Hornby Models, but has not listed at present. Also this company www.scalespeed.co.uk also offer a service for redoing old Tri-ang Hornby wheels. Hope this is of some help, take care. Oscar
@@oscarpaisleythanks for that oscar for that but do you have any idea on what they are worth is in dollar or pounds wise ? Cheers from John in Australia
So in the real life version of this train it appears that the power car is in the centre of the train, was it possible for passengers to walk through the train from one end to the other? Sorry if it seems like a daft question, my assumption would be no, due to noise and health and safety.
The general public couldn't no. There were strong magnetic fields from the motors which posed a risk to people with pacemakers, or so I read somewhere. Also having been in Birmingham New Street with an electric loco going past just as a hangover kicked in, I imagine the noise in the power cars would've been like nothing else too.
Hi Oscar, I'm impressed with the model.. It looks good going around the layout. The tilt action is just enough to "show it off" without exaggerating the effect. It looks as if it uses a similar motor to the long running HST model (although I'm not sure if this is correct )? I'm a bit disappointed with Hornby though, for a few of reasons that they should have been aware of.. By now I'm sure that they were quite aware of the pick-up problems over some of their track components.. So, at number one.. To only fit the diagonal pick-ups on the motor car was pretty poor.. Two. To re-use that style of pantograph , instead of re-tooling it was a poor choice. Especially given that at that time many earlier customers may still have had the overhead power supply in operation.. Without a better angle and a rounded top bar, this style was useless even if only used (non-functional) for looks? and finally... Producing a model that had "semi-permanent" articulation between the wagons is always a dodgy concept for models that have to be removed from the track by the owners, is just asking for damaged parts.. It seems to me, that this model needed a bit more testing prior to release, to ensure it's longevity? This is a great pity, because it looks and seems to run quite good (even though it should have been running from the overhead supply. It's a "Winner" with problems..
Good morning Robin, you make some very interesting points. As you say Hornsby must've been aware of the pick up problem for quite some time and have just ignored it. The motor shares many of the same part as that on other models but I think for this model the armature is different, it carries a different reference number on the service sheet. It is a tremendous looking model with its many parts. Must've been a huge undertaking for them to bring this to market especially linking the cars together in a convincing manner along with its beautifully tilting mechanism. For me the almost exclusive use of clipping the plastic parts together to hold the body shell in one piece is a real problem, not just for this model for many others to (but they are mass produced plastic toys). It would've been a real stunner running from the overhead. Thanks again take care. Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Hi again Oscar, ou are right. It would have looked great under the wires? Many of the small deficiencies in the later Hornby models can be taken care of (adding a little more weight seems to solve a lot)? But unfortunately if you try to dis-assemble the later models to insert a weight, (that Hornby had inexplicably left out) you run the risk of breaking plastic clips to do it? I don't think that they fully appreciated how much the owners valued the older reliability that existed in the earlier models.. Most of us loved our old toys and tried hard to keep them running in a long life.. I must admit that the availability of most spares is quite incredible for the age of these early items.. They certainly did the right thing providing all of the service sheets for us..
Hiya - @ 5:14 "Made in Gt Britain" - You don't get to see that any more these days - more like "Made in China"!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂 B. t. w. I hope you don't mind - I've noticed that you use the word 'Swift' alot & I've kinda caught that word off you - I've started to use that word on some of my video Titles both on my Y. T. Channel & my TikTok!!!!
Great to see this 80's model In action today Oscar. A lovely item that seems to be fetching huge sums lately in boxed condition. Definitely a collectors item. It runs superbly. Best regards to you
Hi Mr Snooze glad you enjoyed seeing his 80s icon from Hornby in action on the railway, must've been quite good fun for the development team at the time.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
I always remember the cover of the Private Eye magazine at the time... picture and caption ... "have you seen my sausage roll waiter?... It's the tilt mechanism Sir".... :-)
What a simple but effective way of making the tilting action.
Hi Oscar, was fortunate to have picked up an identical set as part of the original train set. It's been sitting in cupboard for the last 25 years so is incredible condition. As is the case with many, it's missing the pantograph, but modern 3d printing allows accurate replica ones to be available a bit cheaper. I'm a member of the west of scotland model railway club and this will be fully serviced at the next meeting. Overall delighted with my purchase. Looking forward to seeing it running around one of the layouts. Thanks for the excellent channel.
I was lucky enough to be given the R794 APT Train Pack for Christmas 1982. Two years later I joined British Rail and I remember watching the APT storming past Willesden South West Sidings a few months before the APT project was shelved.
I became a train driver in 2002 and found myself driving tilting trains that utilised some of the technology gained by the development of the APT.
I am still driving trains (they don’t tilt anymore...) and I still have my original APT although it has not seen service in twenty years.
Thanks for sharing your model railway.
Hi Adrian great to hear you enjoyed seeing the railway in action with Hornby's original APT, sounds like there were some great technologies developed in bringing APT into its short lived service, sadly I never got to see one run for real, must've been terrific to drive a tilting train.
Thanks for watching take care.
Oscar
Really nice to see. mine still in the box from the 80s. Saw the real defunct one aroun d 1986 at wolverton open day...quite a beast.
Hi, absoutely great layout and a brilliant model of a favorite train of mine.
Enjoyed that this morning Oscar. Great opening sequence of shots - well done!
Hi John thanks for watching glad you enjoyed those shots.
Take care.
Oscar
I know the APT was not so popular in real life as maybe the HST's were, but I always loved the APT Model. It looks really good on the track and I love the way it tilts, similar to the real thing. Having the motor in the centre was quite an interesting thing, but I think it really benefitted the model. :)
Like the 125 HST, these are a good candidate for the LED lighting conversion to make the lights perform better than the old grain of wheat globe.
Hi Brendan thanks for watching and the information, it's definitely an interesting model as was the whole APT project.
Take care.
Oscar
It wasn't popular because British Rail let the media ride on it when it wasn't ready, the rest is history
Beige (pink) for First Class, blue for Second Class (later BR renamed that Standard). Hornby changed the livery to keep up to date with the changes made by the Inter City sector of BR. Lovely model. No doubt a modern equivalent from Hornby would be £500+
Hi Andrew that's watching and the info. I think you're right the current Hornby models are rather expensive.
Take care.
Oscar
Other way round; red for standard and blue for first.
On the real thing both sets of seat covers were done in an extra-bold tartan design to recognise their use on London-Glasgow services. Never travelled on one (they weren’t in service for long) but was shown inside one at Derby Works. Cramped body shell (for tilt) and garish tartan would have made for an unpleasant experience on a long journey.
I recently bought the R543 set from 1980 brand new in box with track and controller. Recommended to use on 2nd radius track and above, with straights added on multiple curves if possible. Going slower on points is recommended too. The 1980 model with the plain yellow nose is based on the prototype and from 1981 with the black surround is the production model. I used mine with the H&M Duette controller and it runs extremely fast.
A fabulous looking train on a marvellous layout !
Another enjoyable Sunday morning vid Oscar and doesn’t that look great on your layout.
This will open a can of worms; if I’m not mistaken there were three variants of the real APT. The APT-E which all tilting Train technology is based on, the APT prototype which had the yellow ends and the final production train which had the black ends. It’s fun to think of what these would have looked like in various liveries had they remained in service. They would probably have only recently just come to the end of their “in service” life.
Great model. I have the train pack R794, dated 4/8/1981, bought during the closing down sale at a Cumbrian model shop listed on the Hornby dealer network sheet enclosed with the train pack. Sadly I believe all are now closed, fortunately new Hornby stockists have emerged. Mine is now converted to DCC and occasionally gets a run. I have disconnected the driving trailer lighting and may reinstate them sometime with a readily available lighting set but as it requires two more decoders it becomes a considered purchase. Thanks for the memories.
Hi Oscar yet again good video with Hornby ATP train I have just restored one back to it best it looks good and goes like a rocket with new a motor and new transfer s on the body it looks like new again all the best to you Oscar 👍🇬🇧🚂
Good morning Jamie, great to hear you have restored a set, they are such a great looking group of items.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Great running session with the APT. Looks great snaking around the layout and leaning into the corners.. Always wanted one of these when they came ou., but my pocket money would ever extend that far. Those two catalogues are my favourites as they are the ones I used to dream over for hours. Thanks for sharing. All the best.
Thanks Steve, glad you enjoyed seeing Hornby's originl APT working its way around the layout. I know what you mean about the catalogues, there is a lot of fun to be had looking through these catalogues and letting the imagination run wild, its all part of the fun.
Take care.
Oscar
Great work. Remember the West Coast Mainline to Glasgow route. Italians developed the tilt. A delicate model to keep up and running.
Good morning Gavin great to hear you've got to see one of these in action for real, sadly I never did, I remember seeing and hearing about them on news. Terrific technologies developed to bring the APT to service. As you say the model is definitely a bit on the delicate side.
Take care.
Oscar
i managed to get an extra power car and coaches that had been modified to fit into the set as hornby never did extra coaches, makes it look so much better, a classic model
Good morning thanks again for taking the time to watching, sounds like a terrific Train you've developed.
Take care.
Oscar
This looks great on your layout. Thanks for sharing.
Hi thanks again glad you enjoyed it take care.
Oscar
Oh it was the must have at the time . Announced 1980 it actually appeared in Sept 1980. I remember seeing it at the wonderful toy shop that used to be in Berwick Upon Tweed. Initially only sold in a set . Surprisingly ,given my daily visit to Glasgow passed the real thing based at Shields Road in Glasgow , I never got one . I think I was more interested in the run of the mill railway , class 47s etc at the time, and of course the real thing was problematic . They actually chose to inaugurate it on the coldest December for years! I eventually got one about 6 years ago . Pretty expensive on eBay . She runs well but has had the odd spectacular derailment . It certainly looks better on your layout than mine. Yours shows it curving well , whereas mine is basically a big oval . Brilliant video as always . Happy days !
Hi Russell thanks for the information, great to hear you have one in your collection. I had avoided buying one for sometime, I was always put off by the large number of items that could be broken, I eventually took the plunge and bought one from eBay like yourself, sadly no original packaging, but a wonderful looking item, definitely another Hornby icon I think.
Take care.
Oscar
I got an HST set for Christmas, but could never afford the APT. Got a mint boxed version from ebay many years ago pretty cheap before any started to get interested in them. Needed to give it a service including some traction tyres - as you say bit of a job to get it apart. Runs well and looks good, at some point I’ll give it some subtle weathering and may add lights. Great to see it in action with you.
Hi great to hear you got one in good condition, they have become quite expensive in recent times.
Thanks for watching take care.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar another wonderful video which showcases the model beautifully. Now is a good time to pick up examples of this model as prices have softened with the release of Hornby’s modern “full fat” model albeit at an eye watering price. It’s also worth visiting the surviving APT at the Crewe Heritage Centre where you can sit in the tartan seats and think about what might have been, you might even travel there on a Voyager which uses the technology developed for the APT. Hornby has always tried to have a model of the fastest loco of the day being quick to market with Mallard, HST, APT, Javelin, Azuma and the Cucumbers on the GWR.
Thank you Simon glad you enjoyed that. The Heritage Centre at crew sounds great I would love to get over there. There are some early parts of the APT at NRM in Shildon, Great looking engineering.
take care.
Oscar
I too have the city of Derby and mine is in very good condition, I've not noticed the different wheel sets so had a look and there the same as yours , the pantograph is delicate so that stays in the box safe lol ,mine also doesn't have the black band and stays safe in the original train set box with the controller. Sadly the controller never worked but on taking it apart I found a manufacturer fault and soldered it together now it works fine but need to find rivets to put back into it.
Hi thanks for watching and information about the wheels. The pantograph is definitely on the delicate side, I left mine in the down position for fear of snapping it off it's fixing. Great to hear you have the original packaging to go with yours.
Take care.
Oscar
Great running video. Always fancied one, but you have the skills to keep it running. Cheers Oscar
Thanks Roger glad you enjoyed that.
Take care.
Oscar
Good morning Oscar, what a fantastic surprise to see the APT on the railway. Great shots around the layout. Like the one where it’s travelling through the station platforms with the Blue and Red Coronation classes along side it. Pendolino?? Willa there be a surprise visit with one of those?? Such a wonderful model from 80/81. Something really special to go along side the 125. Thankyou again for such a wonderful look back at these models. All best Marc
Good afternoon Marc, great to hear enjoyed seeing Hornby's original APT on the railway, Pendolino is dangerously new... but you never know. Looking back on the models from that period I think this is definitely one of the iconic ones from Hornby.
Thanks again take care.
I may be mistaken, but recently I have noticed a few 1970s red boxed BR Custard/ Blood Composite and brake coaches in new condition. |These are boxed and as if back in the 70s in a shop. I bought a couple. They are superb. I noticed the boxes had no tearing whatsoever. No wear either. The film is intact and not brittle. The silver seal wheels are new. They have box axles. I noticed when they pass over modern points they catch in the gap. I tried my originals. I have three that came with the Princess Victoria set. They have no problem on the points. In fact all my '79s coach wheels pass ok over the points. There is no old smell from the box. It smells new. Running my hand over the side of the coaches, there is a new plastic dust, These have never been out the box. Underneath it says Built in Britain, In the same week I have seen three loads of these in "Excellent" condition on Ebay. They reach high prices. Not surprising as they are harder to find in any condition let alone new condition. I am suspicious that these are forgeries, I am aware that there are no longer customs checks and this may be linked to that.
Good morning Gavin, that sounds quite curious! I've not come across them yet myself but I shall certainly have a look out for them. Thanks again for watching and the information, take care.
Oscar
Nice running session with a great train, very elegant going round the curves. 👍Cheers Andy 🤠
Glad you enjoyed it Andy.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, Well Chuffed Railways had one a few months ago, he said they cost £67.80 in the 1980 catalouge at the time, which is about £258 in todays money so quite expensive at the time!
Hi thanks for watching and the information about the pricing. From what I've read Hornby's current version is also quite a price.
Take care.
Oscar
I'm watching at the same time as the station clock😲😁
Another great video Oscar. I do like the movement of the ATP but there is no way that it would work on my limited layout. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Good morning Roy glad you enjoyed this group of models that make up the Hornby's APT, it becomes quite hypnotic watching it running through the curves.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar
Lovely model today, I have 3 of these 2 with black surround windows the more collectable ones. It's nice to have these on the layout rather than the new one just released by rapido for hundreds of pounds silly money.our hornby ones are a must just because of it being iconic to the period of the time . Yes a pain to put together I leave mine permanently together. Yours runs well and just as it should be. Used and enjoyed, incidentally the different colours for the seeting were to tell the classes apart.
Regards paul osman
The Rapido model is a completely different train Paul, The Rapido model is the E train which came before the P train which is shown in this video, the Rapido model may be expensive but it is worth every penny, I have one and it is an amazing model.
Hi Paul great to hear you have a collection of these, definitely one of Hornby's iconic models. Thanks for the information on the seating.
Take care.
Oscar
Another great video and running session - thanks for sharing! And thanks for reminding me that I do have the R794 train pack salted away, bought new on its launch and still unboxed & unused. My dreams of building a layout in the early 80's came to nothing! Work got in the way!
The launch of Hornby's latest model of the APT triggered mild curiosity in what improvements in design & manufacturing techniques could be achieved over the first model. Like many others, I don't consider today's offerings value for money.
'Ere! Want to buy a mota, John?
It's a very futuristic looking train and it looks great sweeping around the curves. The 'let's knock anything home grown' bad publicity even reached Australia. I remember news stories about it. From what I have read, the technology spawned similar trains that were quite successful. 😊
Good morning Pauline I think you're right the technologies and principles developed for the APT have gone on to be used by others very successfully. It's quite a striking group of models and a very bold move by Hornby at the time I imagine with considerable development on their part.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley There was more to the APT than the tilting system, which as you say has now been perfected and in common use, it's main advancement ( for some reason Hornby did not incorporate this in the model ) was the water turbine braking system, that enabled the train to stop from 155mph in the same distance a conventional train took to stop from 100mph, maybe wrong but I don't think this type of braking system has been developed or used elsewhere, so the APT really was so advanced that parts of it's technology has yet to be incorporated in a modern train.
Brilliant train 👍👍
Hornby brought out a new version that was featured on the TV show. However even though it was more finely detailed compared to the old model, many retailers refused to stock it due to the excessive price of it. One shop featured on the same TV show refused to stock it and recommends the older model which he said was just as good running wise.
I very much doubt the new Hornby toot will still be working in 40 years time!
Hola buenas tardes excelente video muy bueno los modelos abrazo grande😃👍
buenos días Miguel, gracias por tomarte el tiempo de ver el video, es genial saber que disfrutaste viendo estos fascinantes modelos de Hornby en la década de 1980.
Oscar
Great video there Oscar, I was hoping that we would see an APT on your layout, I have one of these sets myself but with the black window surrounds which in my opinion looks more nicer than the full yellow ends, I do have a pair of full yellow ends though and do run them occasionally, on mine I have made a few enhancements and improvements, one improvement that I have done is fitted an extra pickup to the trailing bogie so now the trailing boogie picks up on both sides and some enhancements that I have made are fitting overhead warning cable transfers to each vehicle, LED lights to each end including the bright headlight, hopefully may fit rear lights one day and another enhancement that I have made to mine is fitting destination boards on the driving ends and the coaches.
The set overall is very good but it is a shame that extra coaches were not made for it and I did hear that hornby were going to do extra coaches but didn’t do them in the end.
A little fact for you here which I learned very recently, your model here represents the testing phase of the APT-p, full yellow ends were used when the train was being tested before it went into full service, black window surrounds represents the units in full passenger service.
Good evening David thanks again for watching and the information, sounds like some great modifications you've made to your APT. The extra coaches would've been a nice addition by Hornby.
Take care.
Oscar
Any other Great video 📹 from you Oscar and and a another Great Model for Hornby The A.P.T
Thanks Cameron glad you enjoyed the Hornby APT in action.
Take care.
Oscar
I like the APT, it would seem the model saw more success than the real thing but at least the technology it developed still lives on today. Your model looks to be running well, I would have liked one myself but do have the APT-E from Rapido which is a wonderful train. The different colour seats were first and second class, first class being blue as also designated by the yellow stripe above the windows.
Hi Robin glad to hear you have the APT-E from Rapido, I've seen it on video running and I've seen one in real life but sadly not running, tremendous looking model. Thanks for the information on the seating.
Thanks for watching take care.
Oscar
Some of your overhead shots were Superb. Do you think you can 3D Print Replacement Couplings. How You've Set Your Layout Up Everything Seems To Go With It. Nothing Looks Out Of Place Or Dated 😁
Good afternoon Tim glad you enjoyed the video and the seeing the layout with this impressive model from Hornby running around. I've had a think about the 3-D version of a couplings that go to the power car but I think the other set are probably beyond my drawing capabilities, being incorporated into a bogie between two cars.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
An interesting and beautiful model Oscar..could the lights be converted to LED to enhance their effect at low power ..?
I love the real APT and the model looks 100% beautiful and amazing :') ,,, a real classic model,,,, at in vid 6:53 its called a driving trailer
Thanks Rob for taking the time to watch and the information, much appreciated take care.
Oscar
I love the APT, shame it ended in scrap!
Think there is one at the Crewe Heritage Centre.
Featured with Hornby staff examining it to assist with the new production on the Hornby TV documentary series.
@@johnd8892 Yes I dragged my 3 children there over, 10 years ago, it was great, to get in the cab|
Superb ,I have the train pack with black cab window surrounds ,I got it brand new from kings cross models in feb 1985 for £50 a massive amount of money at the time,my mum treated me as she came into some money ,at the time I was a postal cadet of 17 years old on £110 a week so a big chunk if I paid for it 😊,mine is still mint and came with a rail riders application form which I still have too but I did run it and it was fast I laid out a test track with 3rd radius curves in our kitchen hehe ,the pans are fragile mine is ok but they can break or be missing from sets and they are like hens teeth seen one on eBay going for £50 and that wasn’t a buy now but a bid so yes keep it down it’s the plastic part which goes onto the motor which is weak maybe you should 3D print one and keep your original in a safe place as for the model I love mine and to be honest I wouldn’t buy the latest hornby model as it’s to me not much of a leap unlike the APT-E from rapido ,great video and she handled the curves well ,take care Oscar ,Mark 😊👍🏻😊
Good afternoon Mark, Great to hear you've had one all that time and still in great condition. The new one from Hornby does seem rather expensive from what I have seen online. The APT-E from Rapid looks like a terrific group of models. I've seen them online in videos and shortly before our local Model Railway shop closed down someone there had brought one in to show it off, so I've seen it in the flesh but not running. I think they had got it from Sheldon/locomotion/NRM, they also have some sections of the real thing on show there, it's great looking stuff.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Oscar, great video as always....have you thought of putting matting down to make it look more natural?
I think you should run it on the over head wire part only so It won’t catch on things.
Got this but the motor car body seems to cause it problems mine only runs well with the middle car body shell removed
Hi that sounds annoying, I found it very difficult to dismantle the bodywork and reassemble these particular models, especially as the plastics have become brittle with age.
Thank you for watching.
Oscar
Hi Oscar ,,
I may be getting the exact apt you are running there so is there any thing special to check for as terms of damage and or problems they had with there tilt mechanism & (if you dont mind me asking) what would they be worth in pounds and I can convert to australian dollars so i dont pay too much for it ...
I also finally got a set of 4 car Virgin Trains High Speed Train. R.2045 train pack.
It was in excellent condition and only had to do a service on the motor as in pulled apart cleaned it checked it for continuity in it and got it running like a clock.
So sorry for all the questions but just i need to ask 1 more if ok with you lol.
Would you know what you have to do as in shave the wheels down on a the old triang bobo trains as in the dmu emus and the double eenders vic rail type motors to run on the newer track and also do the newer trains run on super 4 oh and a finally got a hymek too but it might have been already done.
I love the apt you have here on this one and some really good photography too.
Thanks again & Cheers from John in Australia
Hi John thanks again for watching great to hear you're getting yourself an APT, there are a lot of parts to this group of models, I would just keep an I on the coupling, which were probably great day but I think as the plastics have become older they have become brittle and seem to be susceptible to fracturing. I only have the one example so I can't speak for others. Also there are many clips holding the body work together, which are impossible to see until you try and dismantle the items. Sounds like you are acquiring some really nice items. I've not done the wheels myself, apart from having a stab at it as a child and making a real mess! There are wheelsets which Hornby produced in the early 70s with the lower profile flanges which will fit these models, but like everything from this era they are hard to find now. This seller on eBay (www.ebay.co.uk/usr/chambs123) used to have wheelset turned down to work on contemporary track for the old Tri-ang Hornby Models, but has not listed at present. Also this company www.scalespeed.co.uk also offer a service for redoing old Tri-ang Hornby wheels.
Hope this is of some help, take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisleythanks for that oscar for that but do you have any idea on what they are worth is in dollar or pounds wise ?
Cheers from John in Australia
Hi John the APT sets seem to be going for around the £200 mark on eBay at present. Is a pantographs alone are going for around £50.
Oscar
So in the real life version of this train it appears that the power car is in the centre of the train, was it possible for passengers to walk through the train from one end to the other? Sorry if it seems like a daft question, my assumption would be no, due to noise and health and safety.
Hi sorry, don't really have a definite answer to your question but I would imagine no due to the reasons you have highlighted.
Oscar
The general public couldn't no. There were strong magnetic fields from the motors which posed a risk to people with pacemakers, or so I read somewhere. Also having been in Birmingham New Street with an electric loco going past just as a hangover kicked in, I imagine the noise in the power cars would've been like nothing else too.
Hi Oscar, I'm impressed with the model.. It looks good going around the layout. The tilt action is just enough to "show it off" without exaggerating the effect. It looks as if it uses a similar motor to the long running HST model (although I'm not sure if this is correct )?
I'm a bit disappointed with Hornby though, for a few of reasons that they should have been aware of.. By now I'm sure that they were quite aware of the pick-up problems over some of their track components.. So, at number one.. To only fit the diagonal pick-ups on the motor car was pretty poor.. Two. To re-use that style of pantograph , instead of re-tooling it was a poor choice. Especially given that at that time many earlier customers may still have had the overhead power supply in operation.. Without a better angle and a rounded top bar, this style was useless even if only used (non-functional) for looks?
and finally... Producing a model that had "semi-permanent" articulation between the wagons is always a dodgy concept for models that have to be removed from the track by the owners, is just asking for damaged parts..
It seems to me, that this model needed a bit more testing prior to release, to ensure it's longevity?
This is a great pity, because it looks and seems to run quite good (even though it should have been running from the overhead supply. It's a "Winner" with problems..
Good morning Robin, you make some very interesting points. As you say Hornsby must've been aware of the pick up problem for quite some time and have just ignored it. The motor shares many of the same part as that on other models but I think for this model the armature is different, it carries a different reference number on the service sheet. It is a tremendous looking model with its many parts. Must've been a huge undertaking for them to bring this to market especially linking the cars together in a convincing manner along with its beautifully tilting mechanism. For me the almost exclusive use of clipping the plastic parts together to hold the body shell in one piece is a real problem, not just for this model for many others to (but they are mass produced plastic toys).
It would've been a real stunner running from the overhead.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Hi again Oscar, ou are right. It would have looked great under the wires?
Many of the small deficiencies in the later Hornby models can be taken care of (adding a little more weight seems to solve a lot)? But unfortunately if you try to dis-assemble the later models to insert a weight, (that Hornby had inexplicably left out) you run the risk of breaking plastic clips to do it?
I don't think that they fully appreciated how much the owners valued the older reliability that existed in the earlier models.. Most of us loved our old toys and tried hard to keep them running in a long life.. I must admit that the availability of most spares is quite incredible for the age of these early items.. They certainly did the right thing providing all of the service sheets for us..
Definitely looked a lot better without the mask and branding.
Hiya - @ 5:14 "Made in Gt Britain" - You don't get to see that any more these days - more like "Made in China"!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
B. t. w. I hope you don't mind - I've noticed that you use the word 'Swift' alot & I've kinda caught that word off you - I've started to use that word on some of my video Titles both on my Y. T. Channel & my TikTok!!!!
Thanks again Jimyjames, glad you enjoyed seeing these great Margate British made items from Hornby.
Take care.
Oscar
Beautiful High speed trainset. Excellent Demonstration. Vintage catalog : Superb.👍Video : 💯 👍 ✅☑️🚆🚄🚝🛤️🛤️⛩️⛩️