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treat yo self :) we have blueberry flavored 2x4s (actually 1 3/4 x 3 1/2 sometimes 3/4) in the United States. Real world is 50 years MAX, since issues and codes come out of my ass.
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In the US, we have a similar grading system, except that treated timber is generally referred to as "pressure treated" lumber. Sometimes, we'll use the the specific grade designation like marine grade. The other difference is the color. All of our lumber that is the equivalent to your H2 is green in color. Borate treatments are usually done after framing is completed. A team will use hand sprayers to treat the bottom two feet of the exterior walls inside and out with termite solutions.
@@disqusrubbish5467 That one might be banned (but not really, it's still allowed in certain applications, like permanent wood foundations), but there's also ammoniacal copper zinc arsenate. The US has a way of always half-arsing bans of poisonous stuff. But that gross green wood most in NA think of when they think of pressure treated wood gets its green from copper and arsenic.
Interesting addition. The pink is a dye that disappears with UV light, so eventually looks like normal. Also, off cuts can be ground down and used to make plasterboard in NZ.
@keithsargent6963 The thing they are not telling the consumers and builders- Boron can kill you and if it docent, it can effect the Brian, Stomach, kidneys , Intestines and Liver. .Only a fool would surround themselves with it in their home when the Data is based on an 8 hour workday and "Relative proximity" to the user..
That is some beautiful lumber. I know it varies, but here in the US, in Minnesota, most lumber is pine, and its barely square, knots all over, warped, and looks like crap. That stuff you guys were working with looks fantastic.
No it isn't, its crap, I always call it hoop pine & knotty pine, that chit twists, bows, splits using nail guns if too dry.... I built all my houses with it & framed up quick b4 the crp bent, used the twisted crap for nogs, b4 gyprock (gypboard in NZ) I'd spend a day straightening the walls, planning, cut half way thru studs & hammer timber wedges in to straighten it then flitch plated the cut....... I could go on...
We were building a house near Lake George just south of St Francis,just about the whole framing package was warped returns dropped off for us,really twisted junk.
In australia we have yellow pink red and green. Its a dye to indicate its treated so its disposed of correctly. Its not overkill when it means no termite chemicals and barriers are needed.
My parents first house was brand new when they moved in. A new area. The local animal farmer was selling off parts of his land. Further in, there were still sheep. The local trees were cut up to build the houses. The house and surrounding ones are still standing today - 50+ years later.. The timber was rough cut and the sap could be smelt for years.
@roguevector1268 they specifically say in the start of the vid their using that pine because it's native to the area , it's not from California, cali has ponderosa pine and Douglas fir and spruce and red woods. , radiata is a tropical pine , it can't survive in cali just like calis native trees can't survive in nz because nz Is way to hot in the forested areas and way to dry and hot in the non forested areas while the native pines in nz love their native conditions. When he points out that they once used different woods he refers too and American wood and a native tropical wood that are both water resistant but that tropical one is nearly extinct because it's so prized for furniture and so no one uses those anymore
@@GoldenBoy-et6of In the video, they only said it is suited to their environment [in that it grows well]; they did not say it is native to New Zealand because that is factually incorrect. Radiata pine *is* native to California (and some parts of coastal Western Mexico), and is *not* native to New Zealand. Pinus radiata is cultivated extensively for lumber in New Zealand, Australia, Chile, throughout parts of Spain, and is also cultivated to a lesser extent in South Africa, but that does not change their native range.
Not fully correct around the treatment process. Firstly the timber is steamed to open the pours (remembering that pine has very open pour and grain pattern) secondally CCA treatment is one of the safest treatments around in the around that is used per board. The treatment generally any penetrats around 20mm into the timber. It is then heated again to lock the treatment into the cell walls. Treatment won't leach that often now days. Because of the processes used around the treatment and heating process.
Here in New England, the studs we use to frame walls, even exterior walls, are usually kiln-dried, but not chemically treated. The termites we have in this area only eat wet wood; same for the molds and funguses we have in this area. So, as long as the builder laps the flashing and housewrap correctly, one can expect the framing to last indefinitely. Of course, that doesn't always happen; we have our share of sloppy builders, But, if they follow the codes correctly, untreated wood works fine here.
Indeed. Here in Maine I hardly ever see green lumber at the lumber scrap yard but lots of natural. My house is all natural, or so I believe, but it's 115 years old so take that into account.
Interesting fact, Radiata pine is native to the west coast of America yet it was never commercially exploited. I work on houses containing 200 year old North American softwoods, no chemicals required. Here in New England your wood has a lifespan of aproximately 20 years....
Was a carpenter in New England for over 45 years. The oldest house I ever worked on was over 250 years old but I also worked on dozens of houses that were 180 to 200 years old. They were still inhabited. Old growth close-grained lumber. Crap today is genetically engineered to be harvested in 30 years or less. And particle board won't hold up for s***. It's all in the material.
@@tomernest2004 Commercial trees species are not genetically engineered. In fact it has been tried, but the long generational cycle makes it unfeasible (as of today).
Boron or Boric Treatment is the process. That is why it goes pink in colour. Its just a dye in the solution to tell you that its been treated along with the branding and/or the that is imprinted on the timber.
My theory is the H3 offcuts could be chipped and added as a supplement to the production of particle board. Much in the same way as scrap steel is added into the production process of new steel. The hard part would be organising a collection system for the offcuts. I guess there could be a bin at the local landfill.
It's hard to work with, and particle board can't be allowed to get wet, so I doubt that it's worth the extra health and safety concerns of working with contaminated ship and dust to make something that can't be allowed to get wet anyway.
Very informative video Josh. Had no idea there were so many grades in NZ. I had to laugh when you spoke about the use of 3.2 (Aussie schoolboy humor). And you're right to be concerned about the disposal of those offcuts. Well done, bro.
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We have pressure treated lumber here that’s designed to hold up to moisture better than normal timber. the often use it for the bottom plates of a wall, and for other applications.
I'm from South Korea and here are not many timber based house but just all concrete. Thanks for this informative video of New Zealand Timber Treatment.
I figured it was pressure treated wood, though it's interesting to know that the pink is an intentional dye. IME in NA, pressure treated wood is tinged green due to a side effect of the copper & arsenic used. Boron is definitely a bit better than copper and arsenic for the environment and builders who have to handle and cut it.
@@ChrisWijtmans Arsenic isn't bad for the environment? Are you dense? LOL. Boron is an essential trace element for life, arsenic is a toxic heavy metal. Copper is also a potent biocide that can completely ruin soil microbiome.
My grandpa bought a b&b in piha nz and fixed it up and added a “dog house” above the garage, basically a little condo with bathroom and shower and kitchen and balcony.
Here in the US and Canada we have blue timber which has been tinted by the fungus which killed the tree in the first place! The fungus gets into the tree on the horns of the Mountain Pine Beetle. I'm pretty shocked to see @5:32 structural timbers (H3.2) in direct contact with soil. I don't think code allows direct contact at all in the US. We recently, finally, got a way to build a code-compliant fence, a steel bracket from Simpson that holds a fencepost with a tiny airgap above the concrete footing that supports it, and can support the moments that fences see.
Great to hear a professional acknowledge the CCA issue. New Zealand is quite unusual still building houses full of toxic Arsenic and Chromium. CCA wood treatments were banned in the US 20 years ago, as they are in Europe and Australia. NZ Govt's actual official advice is to dump it all into landfill.
it’s not great, but better than the untreated stuff they used on the 90s and the natives they used for 100+ years were solid as but that was unsustainable
Kia Ora Josh, this video is really helpful thank you for producing this for us all to learn from. Question if the joists can be made from H1.2 how close can your subfloor be to the ground for it to change to a higher treated wood? For example I'm building a sub floor that's 60cm from the ground should I use H3.2? Instead of H1.2? :)
Here in South Africa, our treated timber has a green tint to it. Mostly for fencing posts but treated roof beams can be specially ordered but nor common.
Great informative vid. Yup, no pink stuff on this side of the ditch but plenty of blue and green. I paint and plastic line my planter boxes, just to be sure to be sure. The term 'copper arsenic' just never sounds edible. 🇦🇺👍
A whole new sub-division had to be abandoned in a nsw town,...( very strange, an abandoned new suburb). There had been a timber treatment plant, before re-zoning.
Fun fact: H6 treated wood is done with a chemical called chromated copper arsenate (CCA) which, as the name might suggest, contains chromium and arsenic. In places like docks or wharfs theres of course little public health concern HOWEVER, it was also commonly used for decks and childrens playsets until around 2004. So if you have a wooden structure or deck made of unknown wood, built before 2004, its v possible, even likely that its CCA.
Depends on local environment the chemical solution either has to do with fire ratings bugs or mold resistance, if construction lumber I colored it usually is combating local environmental factors
Copper Chromium Arsenate complex. Issues with leaching of offcuts and when houses are knocked down. Also use Tributyl Tin Oxides and copper azoles. Not sure which is worse but likely the Arsenic & Chromium if not managed properly which was mentioned and is why it's not used in other countries.
Sorry - many alarmists out there. Don't worry. Once the CCA (NZ wants to phase out) and ACQ (the latter preferred) is locked in the chemicals are generally not reactive and in the wood cells themselves. The valid concern is that copper and/or arsenic overexposure is bad as both cause harm in larger quantities. Those quantity thresholds are nowhere close in approach in finished, treated timber. NZ requires several layers of testing on all treated timbers. Note that CCA does have negative environmental impact issues and NZ is working on getting rid of it. In particular, farming and vineyard posts can leach the chemicals into the ground as the wood degrades - obviously not a goid thing. The term 'treated' is misapplied often - as the process of treatment includes heating-application-reheating-drying - thus leaching above ground (no ground contact) is generally not an issue. Also boron is used in the process and it is an inert agent not harmful (but borer and termites hate it).
I live in a house built of pine that's going on 50 years old that's in the muggy, wet southeastern US. It is totally untreated. None of it has even remotely begun to rot. Chemical companies are just out there coming up with problems that don't exist. 👍
Not all the pines are the same. We have pines around here too. They are not radiata, but Pinus Pinaster. They reach over 30m and it is full of resin, but they rot pretty fast too if the wood gets wet. If you keep it dry they will be drilled by insects. I live in a zone that is hot and wet that gets winds around 100 mph each winter, and that is the reason we build our houses with concrete + stone or bricks.
Pink colour is a dye that's added to identify H1.2 treatment. The green timber you see is treated with copper arsenic and chromium. This is H3.2 H4 etc. Both types of treatment contain salts,heavy salts. This will rust out your fireplace and chimney and neighbours roofs etc.
Haha, I thought that I was the only one doing that, except mine are green from Rit dye that is included in the mix. Soaked in Borax and dyed green so that I can be able to tell the difference between the ones that are treated and the ones that are not treated.
WoW Your Stick Construction Appears A Lot More Hearty And Sturdy Than American Homes. Is It Because Of The Extra Weight Of Snow and Ice? if the US Added That Extra Use Of Timber That I Can See, It Would Make Our US Homes Cost A Third More! Thats A LOT More Timber Than We Use. Seemingly Anyway. NICE!
Someone needs to come up with a mill for off cuts and turn it into an OSB panel or structural laminated beam. Also, if your lumber suppliers begin to offer custom precut lumber packages, they can capture the offcuts.
Most pine lumber in my neck of the woods is just kiln dried. We have pressure treated wood but you're not supposed to use it indoors because the chemicals off-gas and having that inside a home is like hotboxing cancer dust. But we make up for it with our wonderful American diet, lol.
In Canada, at the present time, our treatment grades are untreated, outdoor treatment and constant ground contact treatment. I still have small piles of treated offcuts. Our waste path here for treated wood is essentially “trash.” And of course, special fasteners. Today’s treatments will dissolve the wrong screw. I’m just now framing a small garden house on my property with what we call “SPF” (spruce/pine/fir) and interior framing is not treated at all in Canada. One “benefit” of the tundra over the tropics I suppose… 🤷🏻♂️
I believe h3.2 is often h4 timber that has been guaged or planed and therefore lost some of the exterior treatment. H3.1 seems to be for more visual timbers and lacks the green copper, maybe just chrome and arsenic
The timber isn't pink. Timber is either standing trees or fallen trees or logs. Lumber is timber that has been milled into planks or structural material for construction.
In case your wondering where the pink color comes from They throw hundreds of flamingoes through a wood chipper and that’s where the pink color comes from makes the wood look kooler during the building process like A beach vibe to keep tempers down during construction phase . It’s a lot of flamingoes but balances things out less people getting hit over the head with 2x4s 😂
@@sclark9011 Many men are self-conscious about the size of their decks. They have an unrealistic image of the average deck size because of, let's say, a certain type of internet video, where the dude always has this massive deck.
Canada (and probably the USA) had 'BluWood' a while back... It has disappeared from the market. Apparently some fasteners had issues with the chemicals?
Thanks for the answers..... In US to best of my knowledge we only had pressure treated (anything that touches concrete or exposed) & non pressure treated for the rest of the home...... Although new construction these days are using heaps of LVL 'engineered materials & the ZIP System for the side & roof sheathing.
In the US our pine lumber for framing houses is also heat treated and chemically treated but its certainly not pink... I find it really odd and fascinating how pink your lumber is. We do have lumber for sill plates and for wet locations that's treated for termites and fungus's but its green. like dark green. The ground rated stuff is treated with with something that turns it a reddish brown.
Its because in nz the old green treated stuff used to have arsenic and copper in it.. Hence the change to pink treated pine. Nz has requirements like this from some scandals in the 80s with mouldy homes, the us dosent have national standards in homes, they should used treated pine for every part of the house
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 The US is pretty big. We cover many different climates, in Arizona where I live it wouldn't make sense since we don't have high humidity. We do have local building codes that will dictate the materials used based on the region though.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 You must be joking, why would Americans use substandard crap like NZ uses. Americans have a lot of choices in regards to the type and quality of the timber they use. In NZ you have no choice but to use radiata pine.
@@funtimesatbeaverfalls? Why am i joking? Canadian and american hones are very very poorly built.. And yes.. Radiata pine comes from america ITS NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA!!!!.. its a bloody crime they grow it in australia and new zealand while brazillians grow australian and new zealand timbers commercially since the 19th century! Brazil even has a straight growing comnercial australian blackbean tree producing excellent straight heavy hard timber that can be grown in tropical and frost free temperate climates. North american gomes are exceptionally poorly built. Their rooves are insane and structurally unsond too, tar paper and plywood things, any storm or heavy wibd or snow cucks them. They should be using corregated steel roofing like australia (not iron, australian sheet is work hardened steel) and cyclone screws and cinderblock and rebar homes, Places like florida or kansas would laugh off those tornadoes and cyclones. Generally i found americas hous production cost is very very low.. A houst in portugal costs with material and labour more than the usa becaus its well built from stone, brick, steel, concrete and terracotta. Its the selling cost, the profit thats higher in the usa
I have always wondered this when the builders came to work on the place and I saw pink wood. Silly me thought it was just cos it was easy to distinguish between the type of woods XD
I am a carpenter and I will not cut, I do totally refuse to cut any chemically treated wood because during cutting by breathing in the ‘fine sawdust’ into the lungs has toxic chemicals in the wood.
Having watched the video, I still don't know why it is pink. I liked the little pump animation of it shaking whilst pumping the CCA pressure cycles though, thanks. I mixed borax, pyrethrum and antifreeze, just for good measure and doused my rimu 😢floor boards prior to sealing. They didn't turn pink.
It is pink so it is easy to spot when someone uses it in the wrong place. If you see pink timber somewhere exposed to the elements, like under a deck, someone has stuffed up.
I think this has too many negatives to cover the positives. I don’t know if something about NZ causes accelerated rotting, but untreated or naturally treated lumber lasts plenty long in North America and Europe. I work on a historic wooden ship with 170 year old timbers.
I live across the ditch in Western Australia. Our home was started in 1892 and is mostly Jarrah. Some of the massive beams are supposed to be Marri or Karri? I like the construction of your homes which is "similar" to American construction only done properly. Never made it to NZ, my loss.
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The premise is insane. The world is full of millions of board feet of untreated timber of every species in the interior for hundreds of years that aren't rotting. However, treating to prevent termites is logical and genius.
New Zealand timber is naturally a dull color, but gets its pink color from the flamingos it eats.
I did not know this. You learn something new every day.
Oh I thought it was for cancer research support 😂
Flamingos are naturally white, and turn pink from the algae they eat
@@timothykrause2327 Algae is naturally transparent, they turn pink from the sunrays they absorb.
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Same timber in Australia is blue. It's because in NZ they use girl trees and in Australia we use boy trees.
Not true blue n blur green is wood been soaked treated for termites. It's being used in building houses n businesses..
Everyone knows you Aussies like boys wood
How can you tell? What if a tree identifies different?🤔🙄🤪
@@charlesbaldo if it's shoved up an ozzzy it's a male
@@charlesbaldoboy trees agave a big stick near the middle of the tree while girl trees have a honeycomb in the middle.
What they dont want you to know is that wood tastes like bubblegum but say its " treated " so people wont eat it
Eating suppose other things that might eat wood`
Though why use a 10x10 to build a house like that?
treat yo self :) we have blueberry flavored 2x4s (actually 1 3/4 x 3 1/2 sometimes 3/4) in the United States. Real world is 50 years MAX, since issues and codes come out of my ass.
If not edible, then why candy colour
@@factor1956 it is anyway artificial flavour.
And looks good.
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In the US, we have a similar grading system, except that treated timber is generally referred to as "pressure treated" lumber. Sometimes, we'll use the the specific grade designation like marine grade. The other difference is the color. All of our lumber that is the equivalent to your H2 is green in color. Borate treatments are usually done after framing is completed. A team will use hand sprayers to treat the bottom two feet of the exterior walls inside and out with termite solutions.
Don't forget that the green colour comes from the copper-arsenic that's used to treat it.
@@kauske Chromated Copper Arsenate was banned in residential construction in the US in 2003.
@@disqusrubbish5467 That one might be banned (but not really, it's still allowed in certain applications, like permanent wood foundations), but there's also ammoniacal copper zinc arsenate.
The US has a way of always half-arsing bans of poisonous stuff. But that gross green wood most in NA think of when they think of pressure treated wood gets its green from copper and arsenic.
It used to be green years ago. Now it is more like a dark yellow.
@@LucidDreamer54321 Still looks green to me.
Very informative. I always thought the pink lumber was just off-gassing pure estrogen. Learn something new almost everyday.
the damn timbers that makes the frogs gay yep
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can't go outside anymore- trees are transing my gender
I just always figured it was because the Kiwis are pretty fabulous
Interesting addition. The pink is a dye that disappears with UV light, so eventually looks like normal. Also, off cuts can be ground down and used to make plasterboard in NZ.
@keithsargent6963 The thing they are not telling the consumers and builders- Boron can kill you and if it docent, it can effect the Brian, Stomach, kidneys , Intestines and Liver. .Only a fool would surround themselves with it in their home when the Data is based on an 8 hour workday and "Relative proximity" to the user..
50 years from now: " if you or a loved one was exposed to new Zealand pink timber, you may be entitled to a settlement.."
LOL, no kidding. I'm sure those chemicals they're pumping into the wood are anything but safe.
There's all types of chemicals involved in construction. I don't think the timber treatment is harmful.
@@realtalk6195 you from china or what? Barely any chemicals in what we build
Boron is a natural remedy for many common health issues. H3.2 + is the problem
That is some beautiful lumber. I know it varies, but here in the US, in Minnesota, most lumber is pine, and its barely square, knots all over, warped, and looks like crap. That stuff you guys were working with looks fantastic.
No it isn't, its crap, I always call it hoop pine & knotty pine, that chit twists, bows, splits using nail guns if too dry.... I built all my houses with it & framed up quick b4 the crp bent, used the twisted crap for nogs, b4 gyprock (gypboard in NZ) I'd spend a day straightening the walls, planning, cut half way thru studs & hammer timber wedges in to straighten it then flitch plated the cut....... I could go on...
Not warped much at all when you buy in 6 inch lengths.
We were building a house near Lake George just south of St Francis,just about the whole framing package was warped returns dropped off for us,really twisted junk.
In australia we have yellow pink red and green. Its a dye to indicate its treated so its disposed of correctly. Its not overkill when it means no termite chemicals and barriers are needed.
also blue
Right its on now can't let these Ozzy's beat us by the end of the year
we will have infrared and ultraviolet so good luck beating that.
I almost ONLY see green
Still need termite treatment if you want home insurance!
100% still need termite perimeter treatment even if you got all steel frames.
My parents first house was brand new when they moved in. A new area. The local animal farmer was selling off parts of his land. Further in, there were still sheep. The local trees were cut up to build the houses. The house and surrounding ones are still standing today - 50+ years later.. The timber was rough cut and the sap could be smelt for years.
Was this in Zealand ?
What kind of trees were used? Josh is talking specifically about radiata pine (which were non-native, and imported into New Zealand from California).
@roguevector1268 they specifically say in the start of the vid their using that pine because it's native to the area , it's not from California, cali has ponderosa pine and Douglas fir and spruce and red woods. , radiata is a tropical pine , it can't survive in cali just like calis native trees can't survive in nz because nz Is way to hot in the forested areas and way to dry and hot in the non forested areas while the native pines in nz love their native conditions. When he points out that they once used different woods he refers too and American wood and a native tropical wood that are both water resistant but that tropical one is nearly extinct because it's so prized for furniture and so no one uses those anymore
@@GoldenBoy-et6of In the video, they only said it is suited to their environment [in that it grows well]; they did not say it is native to New Zealand because that is factually incorrect. Radiata pine *is* native to California (and some parts of coastal Western Mexico), and is *not* native to New Zealand. Pinus radiata is cultivated extensively for lumber in New Zealand, Australia, Chile, throughout parts of Spain, and is also cultivated to a lesser extent in South Africa, but that does not change their native range.
I knew it was because it was treated but this is a great explanation of the different levels of treatment. Nice one, Josh.
It’s pink to make the Sparkys more comfortable when they show up
lol
You just made you ain't smart enough to earn sparky money
@@geekswithfeet9137 I’m a Liney mate, what you earn a week I pay in tax 🤣
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This lumber is a superb match with Owens Corning pink fiberglass insulation. Perfect if you can get the pink panther to do the installation for you.
Not fully correct around the treatment process. Firstly the timber is steamed to open the pours (remembering that pine has very open pour and grain pattern) secondally CCA treatment is one of the safest treatments around in the around that is used per board. The treatment generally any penetrats around 20mm into the timber. It is then heated again to lock the treatment into the cell walls. Treatment won't leach that often now days. Because of the processes used around the treatment and heating process.
thanks for the extra detail Adam
CCA is not one of the safest, reason why its banned in Australia and the states, its toxic.
Pore.
Pore not pour.
Paw. Not pour or pore. Gotit?
Here in New England, the studs we use to frame walls, even exterior walls, are usually kiln-dried, but not chemically treated. The termites we have in this area only eat wet wood; same for the molds and funguses we have in this area. So, as long as the builder laps the flashing and housewrap correctly, one can expect the framing to last indefinitely. Of course, that doesn't always happen; we have our share of sloppy builders, But, if they follow the codes correctly, untreated wood works fine here.
Indeed. Here in Maine I hardly ever see green lumber at the lumber scrap yard but lots of natural. My house is all natural, or so I believe, but it's 115 years old so take that into account.
Same in MI.
Pink timber is just fabulous honey. Those butch builders love it.
It's fierce.
Interesting fact, Radiata pine is native to the west coast of America yet it was never commercially exploited. I work on houses containing 200 year old North American softwoods, no chemicals required. Here in New England your wood has a lifespan of aproximately 20 years....
Was a carpenter in New England for over 45 years. The oldest house I ever worked on was over 250 years old but I also worked on dozens of houses that were 180 to 200 years old. They were still inhabited. Old growth close-grained lumber. Crap today is genetically engineered to be harvested in 30 years or less. And particle board won't hold up for s***. It's all in the material.
@@tomernest2004 Commercial trees species are not genetically engineered. In fact it has been tried, but the long generational cycle makes it unfeasible (as of today).
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Boron or Boric Treatment is the process. That is why it goes pink in colour. Its just a dye in the solution to tell you that its been treated along with the branding and/or the that is imprinted on the timber.
My theory is the H3 offcuts could be chipped and added as a supplement to the production of particle board. Much in the same way as scrap steel is added into the production process of new steel. The hard part would be organising a collection system for the offcuts. I guess there could be a bin at the local landfill.
It's hard to work with, and particle board can't be allowed to get wet, so I doubt that it's worth the extra health and safety concerns of working with contaminated ship and dust to make something that can't be allowed to get wet anyway.
Very informative video Josh. Had no idea there were so many grades in NZ. I had to laugh when you spoke about the use of 3.2 (Aussie schoolboy humor). And you're right to be concerned about the disposal of those offcuts. Well done, bro.
I thought they were just John Cougar Mellencamp fans. 🎶Little Pink Houses for You and Me 🎵
That is too funny
DEI is very important in NZ.
Thanks for mentioning the end of the line waste issue. So many will just tout the positives and ignore the ongoing issues.
Can you point to any studies about this "issue"? Anything on ground leach rates or combustion liberation? Anything at all?
@@iatsd Have a second read of the actual words in my post and maybe pay attention to what was said in the video. If you still feel the need to repeat the snarky questions, kindly direct them to the content creator. Cheers.
@@puirYorick So that's a "No, I can't" on ANY of the questions asked? Right, got it.
@@iatsd Still having difficulty with reading comprehension I see. Life is too short for me to bother with your sad afflictions.
In the US pink limber indicates that it is fire treated. Typlcally green or some other color (brown/cedar tone) is for use outside.
We have pressure treated lumber here that’s designed to hold up to moisture better than normal timber. the often use it for the bottom plates of a wall, and for other applications.
Hm, in Canada I never saw framing with treated lumber. Only for outside use, such as decking.. But there are probably regional differences
I'm from South Korea and here are not many timber based house but just all concrete. Thanks for this informative video of New Zealand Timber Treatment.
I figured it was pressure treated wood, though it's interesting to know that the pink is an intentional dye. IME in NA, pressure treated wood is tinged green due to a side effect of the copper & arsenic used. Boron is definitely a bit better than copper and arsenic for the environment and builders who have to handle and cut it.
copper and arsenic is not bad for the environment, in fact boron is much worse.
@@ChrisWijtmans Arsenic isn't bad for the environment? Are you dense? LOL. Boron is an essential trace element for life, arsenic is a toxic heavy metal.
Copper is also a potent biocide that can completely ruin soil microbiome.
my late mothers house was and is cedar. it was a Keith Hay Home , warm all year around indeed
My grandpa bought a b&b in piha nz and fixed it up and added a “dog house” above the garage, basically a little condo with bathroom and shower and kitchen and balcony.
Nice video, Josh. I tell tourists that New Zealanders just like the colour pink 😂 After all, we have Pink Batts also.
Here in the US and Canada we have blue timber which has been tinted by the fungus which killed the tree in the first place!
The fungus gets into the tree on the horns of the Mountain Pine Beetle.
I'm pretty shocked to see @5:32 structural timbers (H3.2) in direct contact with soil. I don't think code allows direct contact at all in the US. We recently, finally, got a way to build a code-compliant fence, a steel bracket from Simpson that holds a fencepost with a tiny airgap above the concrete footing that supports it, and can support the moments that fences see.
That was a great video! Very informative! Cheers. Nice style too, easy to understand.
Great to hear a professional acknowledge the CCA issue. New Zealand is quite unusual still building houses full of toxic Arsenic and Chromium. CCA wood treatments were banned in the US 20 years ago, as they are in Europe and Australia. NZ Govt's actual official advice is to dump it all into landfill.
it’s not great, but better than the untreated stuff they used on the 90s and the natives they used for 100+ years were solid as but that was unsustainable
CCA wood treatment is not illegal in Oz.
@@nzbuilderwhy are native trees unsustainable?? Do they take too long to grow?
Kia Ora Josh, this video is really helpful thank you for producing this for us all to learn from. Question if the joists can be made from H1.2 how close can your subfloor be to the ground for it to change to a higher treated wood?
For example I'm building a sub floor that's 60cm from the ground should I use H3.2? Instead of H1.2? :)
Here in South Africa, our treated timber has a green tint to it. Mostly for fencing posts but treated roof beams can be specially ordered but nor common.
Green is often copper arsenic treatment
No termites and no snakes... sounds perfect... and to top it off you've got the "How to Dad" guy. 👍👍👍
Great informative vid. Yup, no pink stuff on this side of the ditch but plenty of blue and green. I paint and plastic line my planter boxes, just to be sure to be sure. The term 'copper arsenic' just never sounds edible. 🇦🇺👍
A whole new sub-division had to be abandoned in a nsw town,...( very strange, an abandoned new suburb). There had been a timber treatment plant, before re-zoning.
Fun fact: H6 treated wood is done with a chemical called chromated copper arsenate (CCA) which, as the name might suggest, contains chromium and arsenic. In places like docks or wharfs theres of course little public health concern HOWEVER, it was also commonly used for decks and childrens playsets until around 2004. So if you have a wooden structure or deck made of unknown wood, built before 2004, its v possible, even likely that its CCA.
Depends on local environment the chemical solution either has to do with fire ratings bugs or mold resistance, if construction lumber I colored it usually is combating local environmental factors
Now, here in the US, timber and lumber are distinct terms. Timber is cut trees while lumber is milled timber.
I only ever see green here in Australia. Often enough they DON'T USE treated. So it's just regular pine colour
double brick here in WA
Interesting bit about the offcuts🤔🤔
So , what chemicals are used ? Are they cancerous? How much micro particles are slowly released ?
Copper mostly
Copper Chromium Arsenate complex. Issues with leaching of offcuts and when houses are knocked down. Also use Tributyl Tin Oxides and copper azoles. Not sure which is worse but likely the Arsenic & Chromium if not managed properly which was mentioned and is why it's not used in other countries.
Sorry - many alarmists out there. Don't worry. Once the CCA (NZ wants to phase out) and ACQ (the latter preferred) is locked in the chemicals are generally not reactive and in the wood cells themselves. The valid concern is that copper and/or arsenic overexposure is bad as both cause harm in larger quantities. Those quantity thresholds are nowhere close in approach in finished, treated timber. NZ requires several layers of testing on all treated timbers. Note that CCA does have negative environmental impact issues and NZ is working on getting rid of it. In particular, farming and vineyard posts can leach the chemicals into the ground as the wood degrades - obviously not a goid thing.
The term 'treated' is misapplied often - as the process of treatment includes heating-application-reheating-drying - thus leaching above ground (no ground contact) is generally not an issue.
Also boron is used in the process and it is an inert agent not harmful (but borer and termites hate it).
Short answer: A bunch. Yes. A bunch. You're welcome.
In Canada we started using pink and blue wood about 15 years ago but you don't really see it anymore because of cost
I live in a house built of pine that's going on 50 years old that's in the muggy, wet southeastern US. It is totally untreated. None of it has even remotely begun to rot. Chemical companies are just out there coming up with problems that don't exist. 👍
Same here only with 260-year-old wood
Not all the pines are the same. We have pines around here too. They are not radiata, but Pinus Pinaster. They reach over 30m and it is full of resin, but they rot pretty fast too if the wood gets wet. If you keep it dry they will be drilled by insects. I live in a zone that is hot and wet that gets winds around 100 mph each winter, and that is the reason we build our houses with concrete + stone or bricks.
Kiwi's are building Barbie houses! 😂
Seeing all the cross bracing on the walls of the home being built shows in New Zealand they build homes to last. Those are a very strong built homes.
Pink colour is a dye that's added to identify H1.2 treatment. The green timber you see is treated with copper arsenic and chromium. This is H3.2 H4 etc. Both types of treatment contain salts,heavy salts. This will rust out your fireplace and chimney and neighbours roofs etc.
Not even rust. Those are toxic and if they get burnt / Hot you may be exposed to the.
Haha, I thought that I was the only one doing that, except mine are green from Rit dye that is included in the mix. Soaked in Borax and dyed green so that I can be able to tell the difference between the ones that are treated and the ones that are not treated.
WoW Your Stick Construction Appears A Lot More Hearty And Sturdy Than American Homes. Is It Because Of The Extra Weight Of Snow and Ice? if the US Added That Extra Use Of Timber That I Can See, It Would Make Our US Homes Cost A Third More! Thats A LOT More Timber Than We Use. Seemingly Anyway. NICE!
Def not a 1/3 more
Seen a lot of timber in Australia with some sort of green treatment on it.
better option for off cuts from treated would be to shred them up, press together with glue and make treated OSB sheets, panels or trim/fascia.
I've reacently seen pink lumber in the US reminded me of this.
These baby gender reveal parties are getting out of hand.
Punching through the drywall
Someone needs to come up with a mill for off cuts and turn it into an OSB panel or structural laminated beam. Also, if your lumber suppliers begin to offer custom precut lumber packages, they can capture the offcuts.
The majority of builds are done by larger companies. They all use pre-builts, so it's already beng captured by the manufacturers.
Yes I used some pink 2x4 a few years ago on my home they were good boards
Most pine lumber in my neck of the woods is just kiln dried. We have pressure treated wood but you're not supposed to use it indoors because the chemicals off-gas and having that inside a home is like hotboxing cancer dust. But we make up for it with our wonderful American diet, lol.
In Canada, at the present time, our treatment grades are untreated, outdoor treatment and constant ground contact treatment. I still have small piles of treated offcuts. Our waste path here for treated wood is essentially “trash.” And of course, special fasteners. Today’s treatments will dissolve the wrong screw. I’m just now framing a small garden house on my property with what we call “SPF” (spruce/pine/fir) and interior framing is not treated at all in Canada. One “benefit” of the tundra over the tropics I suppose… 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting..
We in europe use green dye for a boron treated plank (or "colorless" coating is available)
We call that pressure treated wood. Great for fences and decks etc.
Always wondered what the difference was between h3.1 and 3.2, cheers, subscribed.
Awesome :)
I believe h3.2 is often h4 timber that has been guaged or planed and therefore lost some of the exterior treatment. H3.1 seems to be for more visual timbers and lacks the green copper, maybe just chrome and arsenic
@@joshb6993 makes sense.
What an awesome explanation, Josh.
Thank you!
Why not return the cut offs to the factory to be used in Oriented Strand Board or other engineered timber products?
H1.1 (untreated pine) is not allowed for use in anything other than finishing trims and decorative panels. Been that way for the last 10 years
The timber isn't pink. Timber is either standing trees or fallen trees or logs. Lumber is timber that has been milled into planks or structural material for construction.
In case your wondering where the pink color comes from They throw hundreds of flamingoes through a wood chipper and that’s where the pink color comes from makes the wood look kooler during the building process like A beach vibe to keep tempers down during construction phase . It’s a lot of flamingoes but balances things out less people getting hit over the head with 2x4s 😂
It's burnt in Australia by concrete plantts as Pef... Pef also includes plastics etc
In the US we have brown and green colored treated wood. For reasons. I don't like handling the brown stuff.
It's always funny hearing Australians and New Zealanders talk about decks.
I like to oil my deck
i think about decks often....does that make me a deckhead???
@@sclark9011 Many men are self-conscious about the size of their decks. They have an unrealistic image of the average deck size because of, let's say, a certain type of internet video, where the dude always has this massive deck.
We use the blue as an interior wall bottom plate.
Im more interested in the 2x4 exterior walls and all the blocking.
Canada (and probably the USA) had 'BluWood' a while back... It has disappeared from the market. Apparently some fasteners had issues with the chemicals?
Better question, why are your studs horizontal?
Thanks for the answers..... In US to best of my knowledge we only had pressure treated (anything that touches concrete or exposed) & non pressure treated for the rest of the home...... Although new construction these days are using heaps of LVL 'engineered materials & the ZIP System for the side & roof sheathing.
ICF baby! Never looked back.
We've got that pink lumber here to it's probably some sort of treatment to either last longer or repell bug's!!!
In the US our pine lumber for framing houses is also heat treated and chemically treated but its certainly not pink... I find it really odd and fascinating how pink your lumber is. We do have lumber for sill plates and for wet locations that's treated for termites and fungus's but its green. like dark green. The ground rated stuff is treated with with something that turns it a reddish brown.
Interesting to hear how its the same but different, thanks for watching and commenting
Its because in nz the old green treated stuff used to have arsenic and copper in it.. Hence the change to pink treated pine.
Nz has requirements like this from some scandals in the 80s with mouldy homes, the us dosent have national standards in homes, they should used treated pine for every part of the house
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 The US is pretty big. We cover many different climates, in Arizona where I live it wouldn't make sense since we don't have high humidity. We do have local building codes that will dictate the materials used based on the region though.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 You must be joking, why would Americans use substandard crap like NZ uses. Americans have a lot of choices in regards to the type and quality of the timber they use. In NZ you have no choice but to use radiata pine.
@@funtimesatbeaverfalls? Why am i joking? Canadian and american hones are very very poorly built.. And yes.. Radiata pine comes from america ITS NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA!!!!..
its a bloody crime they grow it in australia and new zealand while brazillians grow australian and new zealand timbers commercially since the 19th century! Brazil even has a straight growing comnercial australian blackbean tree producing excellent straight heavy hard timber that can be grown in tropical and frost free temperate climates.
North american gomes are exceptionally poorly built.
Their rooves are insane and structurally unsond too, tar paper and plywood things, any storm or heavy wibd or snow cucks them.
They should be using corregated steel roofing like australia (not iron, australian sheet is work hardened steel) and cyclone screws and cinderblock and rebar homes, Places like florida or kansas would laugh off those tornadoes and cyclones.
Generally i found americas hous production cost is very very low.. A houst in portugal costs with material and labour more than the usa becaus its well built from stone, brick, steel, concrete and terracotta.
Its the selling cost, the profit thats higher in the usa
It’s pink because it comes from the ‘Pink Panther Lumberyard’
They have the same pink lumber in Florida too. Its rot and termite resistant due to the tropical environment
I have always wondered this when the builders came to work on the place and I saw pink wood. Silly me thought it was just cos it was easy to distinguish between the type of woods XD
Kiwi houses looks like something I’d build in the sims 4 lol
I am a carpenter and I will not cut, I do totally refuse to cut any chemically treated wood because during cutting by breathing in the ‘fine sawdust’ into the lungs has toxic chemicals in the wood.
Also that external use treated will corrode metals touching it like Zincalume.
Just local code. We have had Pink preserved. lumber here in the USA for 50+ years.
What happens to the lumber WHEN the termites get to NZ? Or if it’s impossible, why?
Because trees in New Zealand are... gay?
😂😂😂
Just the cheap pine tree's are gay really ..it's not even good fire wood...to much Sapp and blocks the Chimney.
Period
@@bengutierrez9074 Period 💅🏽
The boards must be limp and a bit flamboyant...err flammable
It’s because it’s pretty!!💕💕💕💕💕🤣🤣
Having watched the video, I still don't know why it is pink. I liked the little pump animation of it shaking whilst pumping the CCA pressure cycles though, thanks. I mixed borax, pyrethrum and antifreeze, just for good measure and doused my rimu 😢floor boards prior to sealing. They didn't turn pink.
It is pink so it is easy to spot when someone uses it in the wrong place. If you see pink timber somewhere exposed to the elements, like under a deck, someone has stuffed up.
In the US trates lumber is a sort of Yelp wish green. I guess that doesn’t stand out as much as pink.
copper..use to be arsenic. Treated stuff. It still doesn't last forever.
Are we sure the chemicals don't rot us?
I think this has too many negatives to cover the positives. I don’t know if something about NZ causes accelerated rotting, but untreated or naturally treated lumber lasts plenty long in North America and Europe. I work on a historic wooden ship with 170 year old timbers.
I live across the ditch in Western Australia. Our home was started in 1892 and is mostly Jarrah. Some of the massive beams are supposed to be Marri or Karri? I like the construction of your homes which is "similar" to American construction only done properly. Never made it to NZ, my loss.
Probably Kauri?
Fascinating! Great to know!
OH, so _this_ is where all that infamous pink slime was going!
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The premise is insane. The world is full of millions of board feet of untreated timber of every species in the interior for hundreds of years that aren't rotting. However, treating to prevent termites is logical and genius.
We have blue dye in Western Australia
So what do these chemicals do when the house burns or is torn down? I'm sure that is great for the environment ...
My initial guess was fire inhibitor.