Christianity in Soviet Union

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  • Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2024

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  • @theaorwell4197
    @theaorwell4197 5 лет назад +58

    "The government needed to become God and in order to do that it needed to destroy God." That is the way my father explained it to me when I was young.

  • @demifiendrussia
    @demifiendrussia 2 года назад +16

    A priest in a Church, that I attend, it’s the church of Annunciation in Saint Petersburg. He told us, that this exact church was used as a trash dump in Soviet Times, truly horrible. But you just have to see, how they have restored it, it’s a beautiful one

  • @jesusacuna309
    @jesusacuna309 5 лет назад +92

    I once spoke with a man who went to Russia at that time, briefly. He said there was a man's basement where they celebrated the liturgy, both ortodox and catholics. The two communities came together and were communing with one another.

    • @datoda3593
      @datoda3593 5 лет назад +9

      Probably there really was such a thing. Religion and talking about it was heavily prohibited by the government, they might have even executed you for it, but I myself heard alot about those kind of little underground societies.

    • @jesusacuna309
      @jesusacuna309 5 лет назад +21

      @@datoda3593 the same thing is currently happening in parts of the middle east, Catholics Orthodox and Orientals.

    • @craeddock
      @craeddock 5 лет назад +5

      @@jesusacuna309 Promising. May it be for good.

    • @theturtwig50
      @theturtwig50 4 года назад +1

      That's beautiful.

    • @tomasveras2175
      @tomasveras2175 3 года назад +10

      More than 1000 years trying to unite but a commie guy persecution made us unite

  • @wk3820
    @wk3820 5 лет назад +36

    On paper, Soviet citizens had freedom of religion in the Soviet constitution, but the reality was very different. The Lenin and Stalin years were worse than afterwards. Things did get a bit better over time. Instead of being killed, a Christian might only be sent to Siberia or be denied a college degree.

    • @BanterWithBojan
      @BanterWithBojan  5 лет назад +29

      Precisely. All dandy on paper, horror in practice.

  • @susansuewwilliams
    @susansuewwilliams 5 лет назад +47

    I pray to have such faith.
    Catholicism allowed humanism to flourish in the West and look where we are now.
    In the United States when one wears the Cross and the Icon of the Theotokos people look at you as strange. Someone even told me that I shouldn't wear my jewelry to an interview, it is not jewelry it is who I am.

    • @JaythePandaren
      @JaythePandaren 5 лет назад +7

      Sue kinda remind me when a friend of mine told me to put away the cross my father got me for my birthday because it will make me look like a chav and would never get the apartment that HE wanted so much.

    • @gabriel_jahseh231
      @gabriel_jahseh231 5 лет назад +6

      May god illuminate those who don't see see him and his glory.

    • @johncox2284
      @johncox2284 4 года назад +2

      I was involved woth the Sea Cadets for a long time. I quit when the openly gay commanding officer told me I couldn't send out messages to the Sea Cadet unit because it was Christian.

    • @motsu84
      @motsu84 4 года назад

      To be fair, the Vatican loses all power since the early 1900s when it was invaded and chased out of the city.

    • @eldruidacosmico
      @eldruidacosmico 4 года назад +2

      Unfortunately, marxism, national socialism, critical theory, post-modernism, are all consequences of humanism. Humanity must put God back in the center of the universe in our worldview.

  • @sevenchurches3865
    @sevenchurches3865 5 лет назад +24

    The church can never die, with each new martyr, many faithful souls will be inspired to carry their cross!!!

  • @michaellynes3540
    @michaellynes3540 2 года назад +3

    I read that in 1931, Joseph Stalin ordered the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow to be demolished and have the Palace of the Soviets built over it. The Palace of the Soviets was never built. In 1990, the dying Soviet government gave the Russian Orthodox Church permission to rebuild the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. It was completed and consecrated on August 19, 2000. It still stands today in the Kremlin as it did before 1931.

  • @judithafholland
    @judithafholland 5 лет назад +12

    In 1985 a Latvian lady (ethnic Russian) married to an Englishman made contact with the Russian catacomb church. Our Baptist congregation bought Bibles. Maia & her husband smuggled them in, while we organised a prayer rota for 24/7 prayer cover until they had returned. Had they been caught, they'd have been sent to hard labour in the gulags - another place where many died for their faith in Christ. By that time Bibles were so rare, that they were seperated into the different "books" for distribution - someone might have Isiah, & someone else the gospel of Mark etc. This was far from sacriledge. It was so that if they were discovered a whole Bible wouldn't be lost. The car was only seriously searched once, but they didn't find the Bibles - Glory to God.

    • @BanterWithBojan
      @BanterWithBojan  5 лет назад +11

      Such an inspiring story, Ruth! I know even that musicals such as Jesus Christ Superstar helped out people because anything on Christianity was so hard to come by! What that lady and her husband did was a true gift from God!

    • @judithafholland
      @judithafholland 5 лет назад +1

      @@BanterWithBojan If I can go off topic a little, but pertinant to the above story, to speak to you on a matter close to both our hearts - Church unity. I would come across as anti ecuminist when considering the various councils going on today, because personally, I do not think that we are ready for that yet.
      However I strongly believe that there are things we can do as individuals such as this example - willingness to help each other in obedience to God's Love across the denominational divisions, - & very importantly with no strings attatched whatsoever. (= I help you (unspoken - on condition that you are beholden to me, & do what I want!)
      My own spiritual walk started with the fundamental Baptists - I gained a great treasure of introduction to a lot of scripture, but God graciously showed me how it could be misused, as even by Satan in the tempations of Christ Jesus (Misuse has been your own experience with a pastor). I moved to the Anglicans - a certain lack of adherance to christian moral values in attempt to attract more people because of changes in worldly social values. Another huge treasure - a way of helping those who had been very severely emotionally traumatised (feelings too painful to identify) - through a technique of prayerful listening.There followed a short period in RC where I flunked it terribly! but saw that the congregation involved was moving in a very worrying direction much later.
      So I have experienced each denomination "flinging mud at the others" 1st hand!!! - the veritable war cry of heretic!!!! Very often the mud flinger is just looking at appearances from the outside instead of simply asking what they are actually "doing on the inside" = as I see it - God's perspective because He looks at our hearts. I am unchristian because I could bang their heads together.
      (To my shame I am equallyif not more stubborn & recalcitrant in other personal areas. )
      But perhaps I have gained something else from the history of the division of christianity in my own country. I hope I am not misusing scripture in the sin of self justification & cannot quote accurately from memmory; the concept is, that there is a path which seems right unto a man but the way of it leads to death. (I am just as vulnerable to this as anyone else!)
      In my position, I look at my treasures. It is not my place to look at the "differences" which have arisen after centuries of human frailty, except to say that I cannot see how we can gather around the one table to partake of the body & blood of our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ, until our remaining differences are so trivial that no dissent rises in our hearts. So the differences are indeed important in achieving the goal. From a very personal perspective I can't see how we can do this by debate & academic gymnastics, we all need a deep change of heart & this can only be achieved by a veritable deluge of repentance from God at all levels. In (what I personally believe are the prophetic) writings of Vassula Ryden the message was that all East & West had to do was agree to unify the date of Easter to bring this about. We didn't.
      In my rant of negatives I have a constructive thought apart from "keep my eyes on my own plate!" Goodness do we have to pray! the which tends to be the task of us old ones, who are less able to "do".
      I have allowed my eyes to wander tonight. I sincerely hope that I have caused no offense, & as in all, I am very open to correction / different viewpoint as we all try to discern God's will/perspective in it all.

  • @joshw3010
    @joshw3010 2 года назад +3

    "Live Not By Lies: A Manuel For Christian Dissidents" by Rob Dreher is a great book on this subject.

  • @compbinder
    @compbinder 5 лет назад +19

    Sounds like you are getting an upper respiratory infection. You are in my prayers for healing.

  • @ndkiwikid
    @ndkiwikid 5 лет назад +13

    Could you please do a video on the role that religious institutions and religious identity played in the breakup of Yugoslavia?

  • @carissstewart3211
    @carissstewart3211 5 лет назад +34

    Sadly we marching in that direction here in the US and Canada. CNN just found out that some Christians believe in the Bible and wish to pass this belief into their children, oh horror!
    Boyan, have you ever read Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson?

    • @BanterWithBojan
      @BanterWithBojan  5 лет назад +23

      Really? Aww, I feel sorry for the idealogies persecuting Christianity there. One sure way to kill your own ideaology is to pit it against Christianity.

    • @numismaticsofyore2252
      @numismaticsofyore2252 5 лет назад +18

      @@BanterWithBojan I am Canadian and people look at you weird when you say you are Christian.
      They think of all Christianity is like mormonism and is a cult.

    • @mastery2811
      @mastery2811 5 лет назад +1

      @@numismaticsofyore2252 Which part of Canada? Ontario

    • @mastery2811
      @mastery2811 5 лет назад

      @@numismaticsofyore2252 I'm guessing Atheist Socialist (U.S.S.R) Professors

    • @richardbenitez7803
      @richardbenitez7803 5 лет назад +5

      Jestapol - there is something going on in Canada. It’s shocking. I read that just about 4 years ago the Canadian Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that killing all life prior to birth for any reason is perfectly normal. Plus ... I see all of Canada has found Justin Trudeau to be such an enlightened individual.

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 4 года назад +3

    Yes in America we saw people worshipping everywhere in Russia in secret. I particularly remember one night time service where the bishop was present and they all came out the door to match around the church. They were way way out in the country

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 4 года назад +1

    Fascinating brother thank you! And do take care of your cough. :-)

  • @Geniswon
    @Geniswon 5 лет назад +6

    At 7:20 you mention that they would serve the liturgy with water and tree bark, is there somewhere I could read more about this, or do you have more info?

    • @isaakios
      @isaakios 5 лет назад +3

      They would serve it, instead of on an altar with martyrs’ relics, on the chest of one of the gulag inmates, who was a ‘living martyr’ for Christ.

  • @stevensonrf
    @stevensonrf 4 года назад +2

    Hello my Friend! Really enjoy your videos! Question? What do you think of Photoshop? Do you ever do art work with it?

  • @shafur3
    @shafur3 3 года назад

    Thank you for this.

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 4 года назад +1

    During the Cold War we did see the Orthodox Church having services but they were never done in a big city. This would have been for me the 1970s.

  • @judithafholland
    @judithafholland 5 лет назад +8

    Boyan. do you know the name of the Russian priest who was martyred twice?
    He was caught by the Bolshevics & was being dragged to the next town by a soldier on horseback who grew so impatient with his many stumblings that he decapitated him with his sword. His Matushka witnessed this, & besought the people of a nearby village to help her to bury him. When they arrived at the scene, the priest was sitting up, very much alive, but always bore a thin red line round his neck thereafter. He continued to serve the people as an itinerant priest, & was often imprisoned until he was finally shot in ?1930's?
    BTW may I complement you on your superb command of English as probably your second language.
    My sides ached from laughing at the 1st difference between RC & Orthodox. The RC bishop without a beard, & the profuse facial hair growth, even down the inside of the sleeve of the "abbess"

    • @BanterWithBojan
      @BanterWithBojan  5 лет назад +2

      Thank you so much, Ruth! It means a lot! Also, thank you for the info about the double martyred priest, will definitely check it out. :-)

    • @judithafholland
      @judithafholland 5 лет назад

      @@BanterWithBojan Thank you so much for going to such lengths for what is my selfish academic interest.
      Personally I found many more "lessons" to be learned from the nuns of Shamordino, who were imprisoned during these times. Their story is on You tube under "Nuns of Shamordino" but I cannot post you the link.
      I thank God so much for taking me, an old Englishwoman, a barely luke warm "christian", from the West into a Russian orthodox congregation, to see some of the enormity of my lukewarmness. Time is now so short for me because of my age.
      I think that the only way He could get through my pride was through an understanding that in order to begin to be a member of a congregation from a different cultural background, I had to be aware of of their "roots" = immediate past experience!! It was the only way to open my eyes to what I should be aiming for & definitely wasn't.
      If I dare comment on what has been the most important aspect of christianity in orthodoxy for me, it is the way confession, (I need to call it the sacrament of repentance) takes place which is so different, & the priests who through many struggles can now hear what God wants to say to me in the too many places, where I am stubborn & blind.

  • @robertwaguespack9414
    @robertwaguespack9414 5 лет назад +1

    I heard the story of Irina Ratutinshkaya. I saw her name non a list of people who were in prison for their Catholic faith in the Soviet Union. Some years later I heard that while she was in the ]prison in Siberia,she was stripped and placed in a cold cell. She said that she. felt very warm and she knew that people were praying for her

  • @michaelgallimore7360
    @michaelgallimore7360 5 лет назад +6

    Greetings from the US. Thank you for the video. Are there any books that detail the stories of Orthodoxy in the Soviet Union?

    • @bonniejohnstone
      @bonniejohnstone 5 лет назад +3

      Michael Gallimore Fr.Arseny

    • @bonniejohnstone
      @bonniejohnstone 5 лет назад

      Fr. Arseny is a favorite book of mine also. I like reading
      Fr. Alexander Men, St. Luka the Surgeon www.stspress.com/shop/books/livesofsaints-holypeople/blessed-surgeon-the-life-of-saint-luke-archbishop-of-simferopol/

    • @dedeg9993
      @dedeg9993 Год назад

      The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn (an Orthodox man, himself) partly covers the persecutions of the Church. Be warned that it's not an easy read.

    • @gnas1897
      @gnas1897 3 месяца назад

      ​@@dedeg9993 I wouldn't trust anything written by Solzhenitsyn

  • @BrotherLaymanPaul
    @BrotherLaymanPaul 2 года назад

    What is the picture you’re drawing? A scene from the life of St. Paul, or a vision someone had of St Paul? Something else entirely?

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 4 года назад +3

    I am a Scientist but it can bring none of those things. I am also deeply religious and believe the Orthodox Church to be the True Church of Jesus Christ and the apostles. I can still be a scientist and have my belief I don't have a problem with those two running in parallel in fact my faith has helped my science not the other way around

  • @sammyspero3648
    @sammyspero3648 5 лет назад

    Very good detail of history!!!!

  • @juliuscaesar5397
    @juliuscaesar5397 2 года назад +1

    What of Yugoslavia?

  • @johnpalomo6671
    @johnpalomo6671 5 лет назад +1

    Teador Romzha was the Greek Catholic Bishop of Muchachevo and the Soviets regularly pestered him to join Stalins Puppet Orthodox Church he flatly refused. Since he wasn't trying to convert the Faithful Orthodox there was a peaceful coexistence in the community between the laity the soviets However wanted him gone since he stood in the way of their puppet church so when he was riding a carriage to one of his communities he was rammed by a military truck thinking the bishop was dead they sped off but Romzha survived and was taken by villagers to the Hospital one day a new nurse was sent to his room she ordered the nun keeping watch to grab something when the nun returned the nurse was gone and the bishop was dead he had been poisoned by the nurse who was in reality a soviet spy.

  • @balkanharry1755
    @balkanharry1755 5 лет назад +3

    What about Orthodoxy in Yugoslavia?

  • @Alvin66329
    @Alvin66329 3 года назад +4

    Sounds like the way the USA in heading to...

    • @James-en1ob
      @James-en1ob 3 года назад

      Calamity and damnation

    • @loona_mew
      @loona_mew 3 года назад

      No it's not
      We made it clear to all people that everyone can believe on any religion if they want

    • @loona_mew
      @loona_mew 3 года назад

      Meanwhile Non christians are the most oppressed groups in the us

  • @crosmanchallenger1
    @crosmanchallenger1 5 лет назад +1

    Two Orthodox monasteries survived. One in Moscow and one in Russia next to the border with Estonia.

  • @Skipsul
    @Skipsul 5 лет назад

    Have you considered doing a Pencils and Prayer ropes series on this topic? Also, could you recommend any English language works on the survival of Christianity under oppression?

    • @bonniejohnstone
      @bonniejohnstone 5 лет назад

      James Sullivan Fr. Arseny is a wonderful book and takes you into the gulags where so many Christians died. Another is Champion of Good, the life of Father iLarion which details life under Communism. www.stspress.com/shop/books/livesofsaints-holypeople/a-champion-of-good-the-life-of-father-ilarion/

  • @corinnabruce3857
    @corinnabruce3857 5 лет назад +4

    could you recommend any books written about this time in Orthodox history, detailing the events and the torture/murders by the communists?

    • @miguelpadilla4101
      @miguelpadilla4101 5 лет назад +1

      Here's a short documentary on it:
      ruclips.net/video/uEftJc31ZB4/видео.html
      A playlist of russian martyrs:
      ruclips.net/p/PLjJEXmzbyxxW_9YjjU1esqGQBfZOs5_LS
      Book:
      The Russian Church Under the Soviet Regime 1917-1982 [Two Volume Set] www.amazon.com/dp/0881410330/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_kpFrCbS269G0G
      Father Arseny, 1893-1973: Priest, Prisoner, Spiritual Father : Being the Narratives Compiled by the Servant of God Alexander Concerning His Spiritual Father www.amazon.com/dp/0881411809/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_8pFrCbM70B9E0

    • @bonniejohnstone
      @bonniejohnstone 4 года назад

      Fr. Arseny is a good book. The Gulag Archipelago another classic.

    • @PhoebeK
      @PhoebeK 2 года назад

      The life of St Luke of Crimea is also a good book on what happened, in English, it is normally found title as "the Blessed surgen" St Luke's life was a living martyrdom for the church compeat with signs and working of the Holy Spirit.

  • @madisonmills1371
    @madisonmills1371 5 лет назад +1

    I love Bojan

  • @christianityshop9863
    @christianityshop9863 5 лет назад

    awesome
    cheers

  • @bonnie_gail
    @bonnie_gail Год назад

    horrifying

  • @chriscollins2938
    @chriscollins2938 5 лет назад

    How different is Russian vs Serbian in language?

    • @BanterWithBojan
      @BanterWithBojan  5 лет назад +4

      They might sound very similar to an outsider, our alphabets are very similar, but Russians and Serbs generally don't understand each other, we pick up on individual words and can do some most basic communication but that's about it :-D

    • @cleliac.2470
      @cleliac.2470 5 лет назад +1

      Chris Collins, I would say that they are not closer than, for instance, French and Italian or German and Danish. Russian belongs to the eastern branch of the Slavic languages, Serbian to the southern one. There are differences not only in vocabulary, but in grammar, too. Russian is a foreign language I speak quite well, but, as Bible Illustrated Hands has already explained, that doesn't enable me to understand Serbian (although it would certainly make it a bit easier for me to learn it).

    • @chriscollins2938
      @chriscollins2938 5 лет назад

      Clelia C. Thank you very much.

    • @themajesticstick5262
      @themajesticstick5262 3 года назад

      @@noname_758 Russian and Ukrainian Are much more closer and similar. With them both being eastern Slavs.

  • @prayunceasingly2029
    @prayunceasingly2029 5 лет назад

    Boyan how do you deal with criticism of stories like Noah and the ark being un scientific? People say science disproves the story...this is unsettling to deal with for me when people make such criticisms.

  • @Arkhamist1
    @Arkhamist1 5 лет назад +10

    I can already image heaven filled with Russians playing hardbass and a bottle of vodka in their hands

    • @Hispanortodoxo
      @Hispanortodoxo 4 года назад +3

      Could you not generalize us as stupid gopniks? I get that it's funny and all but it gets really tiring that people think that we are all that post-Soviet decadent subculture that only like to party, squat on the streets and be miserable.

    • @benitosquidalini9890
      @benitosquidalini9890 3 года назад

      Unrelated, but are you a white Russian emigres?

    • @benitosquidalini9890
      @benitosquidalini9890 3 года назад

      @@Hispanortodoxo do you have a discord

  • @lesblase3667
    @lesblase3667 3 года назад +2

    People still confusing Catholicism & Christianity. They’re not the same.

    • @James-en1ob
      @James-en1ob 3 года назад +4

      How dare you, how dare you insult the 1.2billion Catholics, you may dislike the pope and the Vatican but don't you dare disrespect my people

  • @gigig2492
    @gigig2492 5 лет назад +1

    Here in the US, Putin is treated like he's the devil himself, but I think he is the only Christian leader in Europe. It seems to me he is doing his best to restore Faith to Russia.

    • @braincoolo9399
      @braincoolo9399 5 лет назад +1

      A bit too much, even as someone who's a devout orthodox, it's better for the church to have church and state separated,

  • @Vardaris
    @Vardaris 5 лет назад

    It is ironic to think that 400 years ago you were running the risk of being killed for not believing in the abrahamic god but then after 300 years you were running the risk of being killed for believing. Either way people should be free to believe any religion, much like how a 4 year old must outgrow his/her imaginary friends and gain the emotional maturity to live without them, the only way to get free from the necessity of a deity is to outgrow it rather than ban it.

    • @BanterWithBojan
      @BanterWithBojan  5 лет назад +8

      Would disagree that one 'needs to outgrow' a deity, but yeah, banning it leads to no good results. B-)

    • @prayunceasingly2029
      @prayunceasingly2029 5 лет назад +13

      Many atheists came to faith after being against it. Perhaps they outgrew atheism.

  • @balkanharry1755
    @balkanharry1755 5 лет назад +10

    What about Orthodoxy in Yugoslavia?