Leica M10 Monochrom - A Completely Black and White Camera! | First Look
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Introducing the Leica M10 Monochrom Digital Rangefinder Camera, a versatile monochromatic camera with an expanded ISO of 160 to 100,000. In addition to its 40 Megapixel CMOS Monochrome sensor, LCD touchscreen, and absence of logo, it’s the first monochromatic camera to have built-in wifi, connecting to the Leica FOTOS app. It’s compatible with all of Leica’s current M-mount lenses ranging from 18mm to 135mm, as well as most Leica M-mount lenses dating back to 1954.
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What would you only photograph in black & white?
funeral?
I would shoot everything b&w, including events like family birthdays and such.
Everything
I always shoot monochrome images :)
Vintage Leica gears for sure is one of them.
I like you guys. I like B&H. I love Leica M10 Monochrom camera. I’m getting one - and the 28mm and 90mm lenses…. Thanks guys and B&H!
An inspiring video for Black and White, even if the camera is beyond my budget.
I wish another manufacture would make a monochromatic camera. The detail and tonality is simply stunning. Unfortunatly this camera is out of the price range of 99% of photographers. Come on Fuji or Sony. Fuji is suppose to be retro and appeal to street photographers. What are you waiting for Fuji???
I almost fainted when I saw the price. This camera cost more than my first car
Awesome. Rangefinder, black and white only and a $7500 price tag. Im sure all 5 people who would actually buy this will be thrilled.
Michael Bell you probably don’t know much about Hermes bags and so on 😂🤷♂️
Great to put a face to the Podcast!!! Characters! The Pair of you!
I have the monochrom type 246, may upgrade, but the little lad is my buddy, I have never had such an affection for a camera: it is great but this is better.
For most of us, the B&W conversion in lightroom is plenty good enough. However, it’s not gonna rival a dedicated black and white camera like the M10 monochrom. I shot with a M246 for a few days previously, and the black and white files do look quite a bit more pleasing than those from my M240. RUclips quality doesn’t do the M10M justice, if you want to see what it can do check out full resolution files online - they do look incredible. With that said, it’s an extremely niche product with a ridiculous price tag. If you think a B&W converted XT3 file looks the same, then this camera isn’t for you, or most of us for that matter.
Allan, Thank you for sheltering this camera in place...
I'd love to rent an M10 and M10 Monochrom and a lens and do my own testing in a controlled setting. I don't doubt the claimed benefits of monochrome. It's something I want to see for myself. I also wish Fuji would get into the monochrome game. I would consider a monochrome X100* if it existed.
or you can just check the flickr
can you imagine if Fuji released both a 100v and 100v Monochrome!
get a foveon sensor camera, it does the same thing... and does not cost that much. Bayer sensor images are always interpolated at least by 2x (green channel), that's why they always look mushy. In reality, its more than 2x, as red & blue are interpolated by 4x. And when you then end up interpolating the image even more for the print, it looks like crap.
The other thing you can test is pixel shift in sony a7 3 & 4, that gives out also the same results as B&W sensor or a foveon.
Basically MP values on bayer sensors are fake.
What a beauty. I have the original Leica M Monochrom with 18mp, easy to focus (lagging after every shot) but, shooting a Leica is to carefully compose the shot leisurely, and not is a hurry. So, I will be keeping my original monochrom. Thanks for the another great review.
Sweet 'Murdered Out' Leica M10.
price is outrageous
Nice job on the video. That little scene at the end was great, lol! It's the only type of Leica that I have an interest in. I like that purpose built focus to the Monochrom line of cameras and no flashy markings on the body as well.
So happy that a new monochrome came up
So sad I’ll never own one
At that price they only to sell one!😒
This is a compelling argument for buying the new Leica M10 Monochrom… 🙃🙌
How dense are the blacks. All the images I've seen the blacks appear dark grey and not black.
I'm sold. I'm gonna sell all my gears and buy this one.
Curious to know how much editing was done to the files. Images look amazing though.
I like this video and i like my m10-p. Leica colors are great stright from camera so after changing fuji for leica i start shooting more and more color images 🤷♂️😂 and stop to thinking about buying monochrome 😎 but it will be great to make m10-some-letter with COLOR version of the same 40 megs matrix and probably at least 2 meg lcd (plus new 5 meg visioflex evf). Will buy it with no doubts 👍😎
$8250?? I thought the EOS 1DX III was expensive 😮
Sadly, the camera’s price forces me to remain content with my “poor man’s M10M”, my trusty Leica M2 and various black & white films. However, I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation. Thanks!
Holy hell that was funny guys, nice job
Hi thank you but it $8,300. I am not making that kind of money to get one. I am still trying to save up for a Leica M240 it will take me a very long time to get one, just to let you know.
Nice & Thanks :)
Qu'elle imprimante A2 et/OU A1 me conseillez vous pour obtenir le meilleur du Leica monochrom ? Merci
Both the A1 or A2 paper sizes offer similar ratios which will work with the Leica M10's native 3:2 aspect ratio Please e-mail us if you have additional printing questions: askbh@bandh.com >Mark
Hopefully someone makes a mirror-less camera with a monochrome sensor, please Fujifilm or Panasonic.
Only 8 grand huh? These are gonna fly off the shelves.
if you're the right person..
Would you like a lens with that? $6K more.
Please forgive what I"m sure is a stupid question, but....when shooting with a rangefinder, how do you get good focus?
Do you just make educated guesses?
While I"m sure out of my price range, this does look VERY interesting...and I'm really getting into B&W lately on some old film cameras.
I believe you're referring to getting an entire scene in focus? You use what's called zone focusing, or even hyperfocal focus. There's videos and articles that explain it much better than I can.
when the object in the focus area is aligned, then its in focus: ruclips.net/video/QAmjugcBkmQ/видео.html&feature=emb_logo its actually very nice to work with
petapixel.com/2011/04/26/how-to-focus-a-rangefinder-camera/
For the object that you are directly interested in, a properly calibrated RF-lens combination gives you precise result. If you make sure with your eyes, the image will be certain.
To have an idea of what kind of DOF you are getting, that takes some time to memorize. After knowing which point is in the center of the DOF, and how big is the DOF, you know which things are in focus.
It will stick to your head naturally after you've done it a few times.
Leica Rangefinder cameras have that optical splitimage rangefinder in ovf so you can find proper focesing distance just by rotating lensfocus and look into ovf 😂😉 just find video about that itseasy fast and precise, you can focus at what you want in center of ovf and then recompose frame
Nice but only the top shooters will shoot with this. Any camera body with the right editing software and editing skills can render a spectacular image.
So the 10 means $10k 😞
We need Leica M10D Monochrome
I'd normally agree, but with so much resolution, I think having live view to check focus may come in handy on this one.
@@joeschlicht you could always use that external EVF. but I'd bet it it were to exist it would be mad expensive.
QUESTION: Are these three channel RGB files? Or not? Thanks, I did download the spec sheet, and it seems to me that these are not RGB files. If you could confirm that or not I'd appreciate it. Love BH!
While your post-processing photo editor will have the RGB channels listed (as will any image brought into a photo editor), there is no inherent color information in a Leica M10 Monochrom image file. As indicated in the camera's press release, every pixel is completely dedicated to recording luminance data, and there is no RGB color Bayer filter array in front of the sensor. As such, no color data is recorded; only luminance data is captured.
@@BandH - Thank you BH. Yes single channel, as I suspected via the tech sheet, but I had to ask make sure. In the meantime I've downloaded some older Mononchrom files, there is no color data. This is dismaying for creative artists, of course.
For advanced digital landscape photographers, color balance adjustment layer editing is standard operating procedure. It is analogous to the classic effects of the #2 yellow or red filters in old school B&W film. In order to create a dramatic Ansel Adams type cloud/sky relationship, one must increase the red channel and diminish the blue. Other operations in Photoshop also require color channels for instance creating fine masks for hair.
So, next obvious question; lacking color channel data, how does a user creatively control the tones? Are we back to using yellow and red filters over the lens? This might even be fun for an old cat like me, but I see nothing about it in the literature.
One can put great trust in Leica to build a compromise "look" into the camera algorithms, unfortunately the color luminance balance that works for skin tones is the opposite of what works for blue sky landscapes. This is why experts will tell you that the absolute best digital B&W is created via three channel color files, with edited color balance luminance values.
The answer here may be, "Hey it's a Leica, if you don't get it buy a Canon." I understand that the handling, where less is more, is supreme as is the object itself. But I don't agree that less data is more imagery if you know what you are doing in digital editing. Any thoughts?
what happens when i take photos in raw with this camera? will be all black?
Shooting RAW photos in this camera would only come out in black and white. If you prefer to have the option of shooting both color and black & white, the Leica M10 Digital Rangefinder Camera (Silver)
, B&H # LEM10S is a more suitable option. bhpho.to/2uzn5m8
Love it, but I really don't like how all the Leica badging is removed.....The top plate should at minimum have the engraving... it too beautiful not too.... I think we get a little carried away with this whole stealth argument when shooting street.
100% agree.
There’s a blind test comparing this camera with Fuji XT3... they’re very similar... and I actually liked XT3 best... probably I’m not a connoisseur
Boris Pradel on youtube or instagram even professionals now cant recognize where iphone and where is for ex leica image. I am not kidding 🤷♂️ have carried out such experiments and results was mostly near random guessing. Of course i am about iphone images shooted by right person 😎😉 so ostly its about what YOU fell when shoot, not about what audience fell when consume your images. You buying this staff for you own feelings. For audience iphone is mostly enought - better spend money on education / promotion or shooting organization
Can you post the video link
Paz ruclips.net/video/QGp8r45A5Uc/видео.html
would love to have one of these and a nice 35mm lens. but bang for a buck is not good for shooting for fun
Is it made in Germany?
According to our records, the Leica M10 Monochrom is made in Germany. Please note that this is subject to change at any time.
Lottery,... Must Win Lottery !!!
In my opinion these files look no different to what I achieve on my X-T2.
That's all that matters. Use what delivers what you're looking for.
Just remember these files have been crushed by RUclips. To get a real evaluation you would need to see full res uploads. I’ll put my bottom dollar on the Leica having a much better tonal range than your X-T2. I shoot X-Pro2 and I love it but these Leica b+W files will be better if not just for the lack of a CFA on the sensor.
Thomas James True but is it worth all of that extra wonga?
Chris Bailey to some people yes, to me not unless I win the lotto lol
@@HEREONOUTBAILEY So far, after three years of working with the "old" M246, I can only say that it is worth every penny and has kept so much of its original value, especially the lenses, I found the difference between price and valu. I can turn around and sell my very used M246, 35 F2, 50 F1.4 and 90 F2 for around 80% of original price, now that's an amazing deal, coming from a guy that had shot Nikon Pro since 1978 that never had serious residual value after walking of the store.... And just can't compare what comes right out of the camera without any gimmick. Just my humble experience.
Would I do it again? In a flash, well no need with the ISO 25,000 of the M 246. Cheers!
Leica should follow Supreme and come out w a Leica brick
I had a Leica M3 and I used it for several decades. Then I learned I cannot afford to upgrade my camera 😥
The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten ( sir Henry Royce )
how does this camera compare to the m9 monochrom?
Huh? Totally different types of sensors for starters.
@@joeschlicht yes your right, i did notice it has a different sensor but i meant how does it compare to the m9 since its cheaper, theres the type246 also, just wanted to know hoe they compare with each other
@@oliverrichetti3736 the M9m was announced 8 years ago, that's why it"s cheaper (those are used prices)...and it had CCD 18MP sensor. The type 246 is a color 24MP CMOS sensor minus the color filter array (basically a modified color sensor). The M10m has a purpose built 40MP CMOS sensor designed specifically for grayscale capture. There are some that would argue the CCD M9 produces a unique look that the CMOS sensors can't produce. I'm in that camp, but there were drawbacks as well... the M9 did not do so well in the higher ISO range like the CMOS sensors do. I have none of the Monochrom cameras, but would take any of them, however the new M10 would be my top choice at this time.
@@joeschlicht thank you for the breakdown, i was doing some research on them but you did a great job summarizing it for me. I guess i found my new dream camera lol, what a joy it would be to own one of these
If you are referring to the Leica M Monochrom released in 2012, the new Leica M10 Monochrom has higher image resolution using a 41 megapixel CMOS sensor (compared to the 18 megapixel CCD sensor in the original M-Monochrom), has an expanded ISO range and better low-light performance, has the ability to meter down to -2 EV (compared to 0 EV on the M-Monochrom), has a faster continuous burst shooting speed of 4.5 fps compared to 2 fps on the M-Monochrom, has a viewfinder with more magnification (0.73x vs 0.68x) and a wider field of view (making it easier to frame images with wide angle lenses), has a LCD touchscreen with higher resolution for a sharper image on the back of the camera, and now has built-in Wi-Fi capabilities to transfer images from the camera to your smartphone/tablet.
For most of the people sharing digital files and seldom do large print, I doubt how many can tell M10M vs. A7RIII conversion in blind test. There are lots of good reasons to buy Leica and myself is Leia user, just like every luxury brand with heritage, people shoot it for experience and life style (rightfully so) but please don't make it an IQ call, this is marketing.
Where is it made ?
Wetzlar
As per our records, the Leica M10 Monochrom is made in Germany. Please note that this is subject to change at any time.
This thing is insanity with technology that is almost a decade old with some of the technology they have put in it. I mean if you got the money and you want something different more power to you. But the price is done so you feel exclusive getting it not because it actually has that kind value built into with technology and quality.
No ibis for $8K, hmmm let's rethink before buying.
8k for a BW 40mp camera In 2020 when all the photos end up on low resolution formats like web or print.
how is print low resolution? :) at 600dpi, you can get like an a4 print out of 40mp :)
Cringe af
I don't blame Leica for trying to stay in business by making cameras for people who want Leica cameras. I think anyone who is serious about photography already knows the score. If this camera floats your boat and you can afford it...sail on. Otherwise, find a boat you can afford and have as beautiful a trip as you can possibly make it to be. In a whole boat load of ways ,that don't cost as much money, it could turn out to be much better.
I can get Hasselblad X1DII with 45mm lens for cheaper price and I will have better IQ , Dynamic Range and Resolution. And 4:3 is much better than 3:2 aspect ratio
Some people just prefer shooting with rangefinder and lenses with direct mechanical manual control (as opposed to focus-by-wire kind of control which can get greasy at times).
Phoebus okay so I can get Fuji then
@@GKhanKutar Getting closer, but still different. Rangefinder implementation apart, most fuji lenses are focus by wire now.
Really iq wood be indistinguishable in most cases but x1d pretty odd in process 🤷♂️ leica have completely defferent fell. if you need modern mf quality and ease of use - take gfx100 but its a bit pricey 👍😎 for me x1d is slow and optics selection is limiting a lot
@@amedvedev I have already GFX100 sir. Leica m10 is also slow. There is a shutter lag. I gave X1DII as an example because of its portability and price tag. X1DII is faster than first-generation and 45mm F4, 65mm F2.8 and 80mm F1.9 lenses are all you need. If you want wider you have 21mm and 30mm lenses too. That price is just too expensive for a 35mm camera.
He is really trying hard to sell Duchampian concept. He says you can't get the tonality on any other camera like the snapshot he printed? Really? You expect people to believe that? I know he is a shill for the company, and its his job, but maybe tone down the rhetoric just a notch... or two. I was going to let it go, but when he said that.... I felt I had to call him out on it.
Threatened much?
@@MarsViolet Not at all, couldn't care less what someone shoots with, but integrity is a virtue I value. This guy apparently much like yourself don't understand that. All you seem to know is tribalism, so you assume I'm against your tribe. I'm not. I'm against dishonest shilling from a guy that can takes random snapshots with over 8K $ camera and calls it game changer. Calling me threatened.... Ha! Good thing you didn't use that other one, what's the word.... ah yes hater. Give me a break. Its a critique of someone trying to sell me something. Take it easy. Go outside and take some snapshots.
@@KrunoslavStifter Perhaps the compression in the RUclips video isn't doing justice to what he's seeing in person?
@@spoolindsm127 That is a good argument. I'm sure RUclips has compressed the life out of the image. One would need to see it in person to compare. However, he must have known that. So showing it on small resolution and on youtube that is infamous for its compression artifacts, seems like a weak argument for such a bold statement. But what we don't need the visual example for is the statement that somehow this print has more tonality than any other camera DSLR, or Mirror less he said, can reproduce. And that is just BS statement that has no basis in reality. Because a) there is nothing about the print or images I've seen shot with that camera that suggest some kind of mysterious tonality that is not available on other cameras. or could not be achieved in post production and b) lets say there is technicality something that gives advantage to this camera, I would like to know how he measures it with prints like the one he showed? He can't. Its total BS statement, much like Game Changer buzz words. Just another salesmen with big ego and no integrity.
Micro-contrast/tonality depends largely on the lens, little on the sensor. Leica is known for this specific aspect of lens making. Adapting results are worse (examples are everywhere).
Also since they claim "the sensor is designed ground up for B&W", maybe the sensor has a slight edge over existing implementations.
who is that leprechaun
Welp. Time to sell the car.
Why it is so costlier?
because they dont sell a lot of units, there is no scale economy,and it s not made in china. and it s a precision tool ,every precision tools are expensive
Leica cameras tend to be pricey, from what I’ve seen
This is so called LEICA buisness model: by removing some functions they are rising (considerably) the cost. Removing colors, removing back screen removing red LEICA badge and so on 😅
They are calling that "pure photography experience", and it works pretty well, hipster's buying it and later on justifying that how it's "WORTH" and how that "CHANGED THEY'RE LIFES" in various online videos and articles. 21 century bs 🤓
coz it's rich people's toy. They won't buy it unless nobody else can afford.
Leicas are top quality handmade luxury products. I got rid of my entire Canon 5D III system to move to Leica. Image quality is at least as good, if not better, and the size and weight is so much less.
My Nikon FM2 with an Ilford BW film 30 years did all these. And this is a "game changer" ? Total melodrama, nostalgia pretentious bullshit.
bléck camera