Love these videos and everyone should learn this and who better to learn from than G Bear!! Excellent content and again thank you so much. Have a great night G Bear
They got my inverter today. The warranty expires tomorrow, lol. In two weeks I'm going to order a 1000 watts 24 volts windmill from Hurricane Wind Energy...
Glad they got it. Now let's hope they can fix it so it works right! I've heard Hurricane makes a good turbine. Just remember, if it utilizes 'slip ring' connections with carbon brushes, they will fail in cold weather.
Its starting to look more and more like 'not everyone' will have electricity in the cities in the future. There were several news articles recently talking about the new norm will be...power not always being there in some states and metro areas during certain parts of the year. There is more incentive than ever to be self sufficient. On a 12V system, I have a hard time keeping the batteries like charged pretty high. There were times where it just felt like, it was sluggish on the charge bouncing back (doing a lead acid agm battery bank). And it seems like the lead acid batteries on 12V, it doesn't seem to like bouncing back in recharge when you suck the juice out sometimes. I'm wondering if it works better with charging and getting the battery voltage to be nice and even with a 24V system? I'm not sure how to word this... but I guess I'm trying to figure out if battery maintenance is better, and more conducive to long term battery life with 24V compared to 12V? I've seen some videos where some people say 12V is fine and good enough. So I could stay but not sure if its better to do ...either or, 12V or 24V. I'm interested in...which will give you longer battery life.
Battery life is affected by how many times you discharge them and how low you discharge them to. If you are seeing your battery bank drop to under 12v in you system, then your bank is too small for your needs. I keep mine at 12.4 as the lowest I allow at the most used day. So, it isn't as much whether you are 12 or 24v as it is for proper sizing of the system.
I have a 12V system. It can't pull juice. It gets limited by how much watts I can pull into the inverter when I go to use an electrical appliance plugged into it. Is this why people change to 24 Volt systems or higher? It seems like that whenever I try to pull anything that uses a lot or even a medium amount of watts the inverter wants to shut it off thinking the batteries will be damaged from the battery voltage dropping too much. It just dips below 12 volts... and the system shuts off at 10 volts... that means the power dip of a load doesn't have to be very big to trip. It works but can only do midget wattage devices below about 350 watts. And sometimes less than 250 watts. So it seems that must be why people go to 24 Volts to get past this problem.
To give you an accurate answer, I need to know your system. Batteries: Types and number, Solar panels, size and specs and connections, ie; parallel or series, total watts input. Controller: Make and model, max watts allowed, Inverter: make and model, output single or split phase, max watts rating. Also include wire sizes for each connection.
@@GBear Well, the way I have my batteries in here, lol, there are 2 pairs of #2 going to the inverter, one set from each 8 batteries...I figured two of them was close to a 1/0 , which is what they recommend, but with only a 2000 watts inverter, and with it being 24 V, I didn't quite get why they wanted wire that big...it has never even gotten warm, though...while we're on the inverter subject, what did they ever tell you about the two little green ground wires hanging out? I'm going to put an extra fan inside mine when I get it back...I decided to order two solar panels from Aims. so that will give me five different brands / sizes...that will put me up to 1240 watts of panels...I think that's about right for what I have on the rest of it.
The green wires connected are for grid tie systems. Completely off grid, they should be disconnected. Just group your panels by make and model and if possible run each group to a separate controller.
Great video GBear! I'm having trouble with setting my controllers to get maximum charge our of my solar arrays my one charge controller is a 80 amp and I have 880 watts of panels my permanent array is 1000 watts with a 100 amp controller! I'm not getting the maximum input to keep my batteries charged and run the rv! Ponder on that awhile and let me know if you can give me a solution! Thanks GBear God bless! Tony n Lee Ann
9 out of 10 times, that is a charge controller problem, but to be sure, use a volt meter to read the inputs and outputs at the controller. Are your panels connected in series or parallel?
@@GBear All the positive cables together all negative cables together then to batteries! I always forget what that's called! It figures it's cloudy today here so I can't get you numbers!
Ok, that's parallel connected. Depending on your equipment, a series parallel connection might be a better choice. It would increase your volts and amps input.
Just be careful. Higher watt raged inverter doesn't mean you can use 3000 watts. because you can get limited by the inverter thinking that too much draw from the batteries could damage them and shutting them off. Also it seems like a lot of power inverters actually it seems like you can only use half what's stated based on power inverter fail videos on youtube? What do you guys think about this? There's a lot of videos people saying they can't actually use the full rating of their inverters. But probably you wouldn't want to be maxing stress on it anyway.
If you buy Chinese inverters, bet on only a fraction of its claimed rating. Also cheap solar equipment is unreliable and won't live up to expectations. AIMS inverters are trustworthy, and Midnite Classic controllers are also. Remember, you get what you pay for.
Do you have to be outside the city to get away with using wind generators? I see people using solar and solar is legally being encouraged now. But I hear people say that wind generators are tricky and you might not be as protected using them? But I'm not really sure.
Welcome aboard, Noah. I'm not sure where you live, so I definitely can't offer you an accurate answer, but I can say that most populated areas don't allow wind turbines.
Thanks for the video.. However,, all I have ever heard about 24V is you save money on wire.. Now you say that to switch from a 12V to a 24V I need more wires.? That is what I have been deducing and I figured I had to be doing it wrong.. I was kinda hoping to have some existing wires left over after the switch to 24V.. I think I will just get another 12V inverter for a backup since everything works well the way it is.. Thanks again.. btw,, Have you heard anything from JesusFreakJen in the last month or so.? (she is a nurse and after she asked,, I told her my opinion on the C-19 thing.. She is unvaxxed..)
Yeah, it's a little misleading. The savings on wire are that you can use smaller gauge wire because you will be carrying lower amps, but when upgrading you need to change wire lengths and add series connectors so you need to buy more wire, and you don't want to mix wire sizes. No, I haven't heard from Jesus Freak Jen in about a month.
Welcome aboard! They are 6v golf cart batteries, US2300, rated at 232ah each. I have them in series parallel for a 12v system times 24 batteries, and then a backup bank of 6ea, 430ah Trojan solar batteries.
@@GBearthanks for the reply mate, I’m just trying to learn things solar and I was wondering do you have BMS / Battery balance for you’re battery bank or is it necessary?
@hemiandreassend3848 No, BMS is for LiPo batteries. I have lead acid. These require 'equalization' which is done automatically by my Midnite Classic controller.
And I'm not thinking too you were explaining to person on a solar panel 12 volt turn them in 24-volt and I think you lose some your amps not for sure how much
I run some large machinery in my shop, like my milling machine that requires high amps, so I prefer my split phase low frequency 240v inverter and my solar input shows 50-60 amps at peak times .
@@GBear You Bet ! I left the pods together. They're small seeds so you can just roll em in your fingers to spread & cover. Or how ever you want to. TAKE CARE..
Sorry Roger, that was Monday's entry word which expired at midnight on Monday. There will be another "new" entry word between now and Saturday the 20th. Watch for it!
Coins November 15th 2021 Always love a detailed lesson on solar systems and wiring. Thanks again!
Thank you! Entry noted.
nice video bob all good keep safe both of you
Thanks Kevin.
You are amazing. You have so much knowledge. Its amazing to listen to this.
Thank you again.
Love these videos and everyone should learn this and who better to learn from than G Bear!! Excellent content and again thank you so much. Have a great night G Bear
Thanks and you're welcome.
Coins November 15th and my daughter's birthday. Thanks for the video on 24 volt system
Got your entry, happy birthday to your daughter.
November 15, 2021....COINS .. Love the Videos my man. very informative.
Welcome aboard! Got your entry!
Your broad knowledge is helpful for DIY ers
Thanks.
Coins Nov 15th. Good tutorial on solar, thanks
You're welcome. Entry noted.
They got my inverter today. The warranty expires tomorrow, lol. In two weeks I'm going to order a 1000 watts 24 volts windmill from Hurricane Wind Energy...
Glad they got it. Now let's hope they can fix it so it works right!
I've heard Hurricane makes a good turbine. Just remember, if it utilizes 'slip ring' connections with carbon brushes, they will fail in cold weather.
Its starting to look more and more like 'not everyone' will have electricity in the cities in the future. There were several news articles recently talking about the new norm will be...power not always being there in some states and metro areas during certain parts of the year. There is more incentive than ever to be self sufficient.
On a 12V system, I have a hard time keeping the batteries like charged pretty high. There were times where it just felt like, it was sluggish on the charge bouncing back (doing a lead acid agm battery bank). And it seems like the lead acid batteries on 12V, it doesn't seem to like bouncing back in recharge when you suck the juice out sometimes. I'm wondering if it works better with charging and getting the battery voltage to be nice and even with a 24V system?
I'm not sure how to word this... but I guess I'm trying to figure out if battery maintenance is better, and more conducive to long term battery life with 24V compared to 12V?
I've seen some videos where some people say 12V is fine and good enough. So I could stay but not sure if its better to do ...either or, 12V or 24V. I'm interested in...which will give you longer battery life.
Battery life is affected by how many times you discharge them and how low you discharge them to.
If you are seeing your battery bank drop to under 12v in you system, then your bank is too small for your needs. I keep mine at 12.4 as the lowest I allow at the most used day. So, it isn't as much whether you are 12 or 24v as it is for proper sizing of the system.
@@GBear Thank u very much for the reply. Also wishing you the best.
I have a 12V system. It can't pull juice. It gets limited by how much watts I can pull into the inverter when I go to use an electrical appliance plugged into it. Is this why people change to 24 Volt systems or higher?
It seems like that whenever I try to pull anything that uses a lot or even a medium amount of watts the inverter wants to shut it off thinking the batteries will be damaged from the battery voltage dropping too much. It just dips below 12 volts... and the system shuts off at 10 volts... that means the power dip of a load doesn't have to be very big to trip. It works but can only do midget wattage devices below about 350 watts. And sometimes less than 250 watts. So it seems that must be why people go to 24 Volts to get past this problem.
To give you an accurate answer, I need to know your system. Batteries: Types and number, Solar panels, size and specs and connections, ie; parallel or series, total watts input. Controller: Make and model, max watts allowed, Inverter: make and model, output single or split phase, max watts rating.
Also include wire sizes for each connection.
Coins 11/15/21...I used #2 welding leads on my 24 volt...maybe next week I'll have something to hook them to...
That's adequate. I use 1/0 for the inverter connection and #2 for the battery connections. If I was to start over, I would use 1/0 on everything.
@@GBear Well, the way I have my batteries in here, lol, there are 2 pairs of #2 going to the inverter, one set from each 8 batteries...I figured two of them was close to a 1/0 , which is what they recommend, but with only a 2000 watts inverter, and with it being 24 V, I didn't quite get why they wanted wire that big...it has never even gotten warm, though...while we're on the inverter subject, what did they ever tell you about the two little green ground wires hanging out? I'm going to put an extra fan inside mine when I get it back...I decided to order two solar panels from Aims. so that will give me five different brands / sizes...that will put me up to 1240 watts of panels...I think that's about right for what I have on the rest of it.
The green wires connected are for grid tie systems. Completely off grid, they should be disconnected. Just group your panels by make and model and if possible run each group to a separate controller.
Great video GBear! I'm having trouble with setting my controllers to get maximum charge our of my solar arrays my one charge controller is a 80 amp and I have 880 watts of panels my permanent array is 1000 watts with a 100 amp controller! I'm not getting the maximum input to keep my batteries charged and run the rv! Ponder on that awhile and let me know if you can give me a solution! Thanks GBear God bless!
Tony n Lee Ann
9 out of 10 times, that is a charge controller problem, but to be sure, use a volt meter to read the inputs and outputs at the controller.
Are your panels connected in series or parallel?
I just checked weather radar and it says you should be getting some rain today.
@@GBear
All the positive cables together all negative cables together then to batteries! I always forget what that's called! It figures it's cloudy today here so I can't get you numbers!
@@GBear
Sweet we need it
Ok, that's parallel connected. Depending on your equipment, a series parallel connection might be a better choice. It would increase your volts and amps input.
Referencing the 12 volt turbine, you could purchase a DC to DC "BUCK" converter and step up the 12 to 24 volt and still get the benefits of the wind.
I understand there is a loss percentage involved with the buck converter.
Nov. 15th 2021 coins were wanting to move we always wanted to live off the grid with solar panels
Got your entry. Put your plan together, then implement it.
Banana! November 11! 😉
I still need to get a 3000W inverter for my shed. Maybe "cyber Monday" may have a good deal on them.
Bread! November 11-1/2!🤣
I hope so for you, but I've never seen a sale.
Just be careful. Higher watt raged inverter doesn't mean you can use 3000 watts. because you can get limited by the inverter thinking that too much draw from the batteries could damage them and shutting them off.
Also it seems like a lot of power inverters actually it seems like you can only use half what's stated based on power inverter fail videos on youtube? What do you guys think about this? There's a lot of videos people saying they can't actually use the full rating of their inverters. But probably you wouldn't want to be maxing stress on it anyway.
If you buy Chinese inverters, bet on only a fraction of its claimed rating. Also cheap solar equipment is unreliable and won't live up to expectations. AIMS inverters are trustworthy, and Midnite Classic controllers are also. Remember, you get what you pay for.
Do you have to be outside the city to get away with using wind generators? I see people using solar and solar is legally being encouraged now. But I hear people say that wind generators are tricky and you might not be as protected using them? But I'm not really sure.
Welcome aboard, Noah. I'm not sure where you live, so I definitely can't offer you an accurate answer, but I can say that most populated areas don't allow wind turbines.
Welcome aboard!
@@GBear Thank you.
@@noahriding5780 you're welcome
Very good information. Btw how can you get water in the desert🏜
Water supplier send you daily, weekly, monthly? 😮❓ greetings from Indonesia
Welcome aboard Indonesia! I get it delivered 4000 gallons at a time for $320.
Usually once or twice a year depending upon the weather.
@@GBear
Wow 😮👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
A well would cost me in the neighborhood of $45,000 and then the gov puts a meter on it and charges me for usage.
@@GBear wow more expensive than gallons
@@GBear
How about electrical on grid from government there? Prices especially
On the desert your location.
Thanks for the video.. However,, all I have ever heard about 24V is you save money on wire.. Now you say that to switch from a 12V to a 24V I need more wires.? That is what I have been deducing and I figured I had to be doing it wrong.. I was kinda hoping to have some existing wires left over after the switch to 24V.. I think I will just get another 12V inverter for a backup since everything works well the way it is.. Thanks again..
btw,, Have you heard anything from JesusFreakJen in the last month or so.?
(she is a nurse and after she asked,, I told her my opinion on the C-19 thing.. She is unvaxxed..)
Yeah, it's a little misleading. The savings on wire are that you can use smaller gauge wire because you will be carrying lower amps, but when upgrading you need to change wire lengths and add series connectors so you need to buy more wire, and you don't want to mix wire sizes.
No, I haven't heard from Jesus Freak Jen in about a month.
Thanks man for sharing respect.
Welcome aboard roseniv!
Bear I could not find your post for 11/16/21 did you post or Not?
No I didn't. I had camera problems. I think it's fixed, but won't know until I try it tomorrow.
Thanks for the concern.
@@GBear ok look for your post tomorrow night. Good night
Good night
You really coins the setup today nov 15
Welcome aboard. Entry noted.
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Entry noted!
@@GBear Thanks.
I have a 24v pma charging a 12v system
If running through a charge controller it'll work, but not the best.
Of course, it won't work the other way around.
@@GBear now charge controller on it it like yours only whit a dump controller
@@solarandwindinsouthtexasda1473 good deal!
Hey mate what brand/type and amp hours are you’re batteries?
Welcome aboard! They are 6v golf cart batteries, US2300, rated at 232ah each. I have them in series parallel for a 12v system times 24 batteries, and then a backup bank of 6ea, 430ah Trojan solar batteries.
@@GBearthanks for the reply mate, I’m just trying to learn things solar and I was wondering do you have BMS / Battery balance for you’re battery bank or is it necessary?
@hemiandreassend3848 No, BMS is for LiPo batteries. I have lead acid. These require 'equalization' which is done automatically by my Midnite Classic controller.
@@GBear oh ok thanks for explaining mate, love your channel mate 👍🏽
@hemiandreassend3848 Thank you! And again, Welcome aboard!
Wondered why car alternators needed a trigger to activate system ,,, now I know .. That info is worth a couple of COINS
Entry noted. Yeah, but newer car alternators now use permanent magnet technology. That's why they are so expensive.
Hah hah!! Bugger that counts me out then!! It's the 16th here in Australia!! LOL!!
I would go by my time, so you could enter and the comment would have my time stamp on it.
Put your wine down and watch my latest post so you don't complain you missed it again.🤣👍
Wine what wine?? I think your senility is kicking in mate!! :-P!!@@GBear
I'm not the one missing the 5555 giveaway entries...🤣
@@GBear As I said all good!! It's only a competition!! Plenty of others around I can enter!! LOL!!
Let's go brandon
At the end of the video got cut off and that's alright I'll forgive you just to let you know
Must be on your end. Played all the way for me.
I have to check to see what happened
Okay you're right I thought that was more of it
And I'm not thinking too you were explaining to person on a solar panel 12 volt turn them in 24-volt and I think you lose some your amps not for sure how much
Yes, higher voltage, lower amps, but same watts. Ie; 120v, 10a= 1200w, and 12v, 100a=1200w
Yes that's true on the watts
I run some large machinery in my shop, like my milling machine that requires high amps, so I prefer my split phase low frequency 240v inverter and my solar input shows 50-60 amps at peak times .
@@GBear : yeah I think you said that once before and I do remember
Coins November 15th and a video was good
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45th ! Good Evening. TAKE CARE..
Lol! A lot of people getting their entries in for the 5555 giveaway.
@@GBear Yea, Good Deal. Rock & Seeds are on the way south. TAKE CARE..
@@brushbum7508 thanks, I'll watch for them.
@@GBear You Bet ! I left the pods together. They're small seeds so you can just roll em in your fingers to spread & cover. Or how ever you want to. TAKE CARE..
@@brushbum7508 it'll be a new experience, but a fun one.
What travels the world and stay In it's on corner
What?
stamp
Postal stamp
Oh, so now you're going postal on me....😂
That's a good we got me laughing
Coins. April 17, 2024.😂🤷♂ Thanks!
You're welcome. Bills!
Coins 11/15/2021. Oh happy days.
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@@gunlover1955 welcome aboard!
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Sorry Roger, that was Monday's entry word which expired at midnight on Monday. There will be another "new" entry word between now and Saturday the 20th. Watch for it!
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Hi Jim. Entry noted.
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You really helped me out! Took me two days to find you hahaha. Thanks so much!
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Entry noted MJ.
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@@rickwaisanen That video was for a viewer with a specific question.
Do you need to know something?
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