I am so excited for you two, I was just wondering how long it would be before you two went international rving and here you two go. Congratulations on the growth of the channel you are forever inspiring me and my brand.
LIKE THE COLORS THE CABINETS THE MASTER QUEEN SIZE BED DON’T LIKE THE BUNK OVERCAB THE COOKTOP IT NEEDS THREE BURNERS THE PLASTIC TOILET MATT AND ANDREA QUESTION ARE YOU TAKING YOUR U STEPS WITH YOU TO GERMANY YOU NEED TO TRY THIS BRATWURST AND MASHED
I agree with your assessment. Price is too high for me though. I especially agree with Matt's comments on the dinette. I'm one of those people that like a dinette for the flexibility of using it as a table or a daybed for casual lounging or nighttime sleeping. Oh, that cabinetry is awesome.
i'm surprised the bathroom door wasn't a dislike, the fact that it hits the bed when opened is disappointing, maybe a pocket door would have been better. I agree with Andrea on the color scheme, especially in something so small it lightens it up.
It's a Tiburon SV. That means it does not have all the electronic fancy stuff. I just bought one. Supply chain issue in Germany. And I had the dealer put in a porcelain toilet.
Düsseldorf ( pronounced Doo sell dorff🙂)is fantastic! Been there many times. The city is also known for having the most bars located on one street! Since you’ll be there in September, you’ll get to experience Oktoberfest in Germany! Try the Schweinshaxe!
My dislikes are can barely open bathroom door with bed there and bunk no room for adults but fur kids and I would use it for storage. Don’t like manual to turn chairs around. My likes are the dinette and wardrobe and the amount of storage you get inside and out. Love the colors inside. It’s.a very nice Class B+. Thank you and Andrea.
There's so much to like such as the drawers under the dinette and the side-opening outside storage, but the lack of lane assist and power seats is a deal breaker on this model. Have fun in Germany! Hope you're able to sight-see while you're out of the country!
There are a lot of tiny class Cs in Europe built on the fiat ducato. Even smaller than American Class Bs. They're laid out and decorated different than American class Cs. Of particular interest would be Wingamm and Hymer since they're starting to import to the US.
The Monaco Vesta class A front engine diesel had interior decor just like that but was flawed with the crappy 6.4L power stroke diesel that broke down constantly. I wish someone would bring that style of RV back with a better power train.
Matt, Andrea, nice review as always. I always learn something. I was wondering if on future reviews if you could comment on whether the microwave ovens and or the range fans vent to the outside? Some don't and some do I believe and for me venting out side is a must. Just a thought., and thanks again.
I think there's seating under the bed when it goes up. The floor plan lists it. Nice little rv. I wand one a little bit bigger. There is quite a bit of storage inside and out for such a little rv. ♥
Nice colors but its the same as the 2020. 2021, and 2022 model years, the only difference is its on the cheap chassis! I guess Thors trying to save money again but keeping the prices high for the profits! great video guys! If I was to buy something this expensive it better have all the bells and whistles!
Matt the most used trucks for class B and C are Fiat Ducato with sister Citroen, Ford Transit, then Mercedes and some Renault. Volkswagen are only used for some camper vans. The largest manufacturers with multiple brands are Trigano group, groupe Pilote and Hymer. There is an English speaking YT channel that has reviewed all brands for many years - Alan Heath. He might be able to give you some insights and refer you to some folks.
Matt and Andrea, here's a wish list of top B+ RVs for you to review in Germany: Hymer Masterline and ML-T; the Protec Q18 with double full-length slides; RC Motorhomes RC8M; the Kabe Royal 780 (with incinerator toilet); the Silver Dream (cabover with rear lounge); and the Wingamm City Suite (coming to the US).
Great review! We just passed a Tiburon on the highway today and When we got home, I thought, “I wonder if Matt and Andrea reviewed one?” And you did❤️. I really like it but agree with you 3 cons. Andrea, I really loved that dress! Have a great day!
What’s up Matt and Andrea, just FYI in Germany, most Germans speak English. They will say they speak “a little bit” but it’s way more than you think. They can carry on a full conversation no problem. Also some of their conversations is very direct and if you don’t know that ahead of time May find offensive however that’s just how they speak. Lived in Germany for 3 years so I have a decent idea of how it all goes down. Super pumped to see y’all’s video! Take care!
My husband and I are researching a new RV for touring Europe. Please send some recommendations. We have a travel trailer now and want to move up to a class B.
i love this class b+ , i love the euro cabinets , i wish they could have lowered the bunk area a bit but all i would use it for is storage anyways . Andrea could you tell us why you don't like the fold down bed ? The light above the dinette could actually be move a little to one side. this one i will place in my wish list.. love it. one thing , there doesn't seem to be many plug ins if any and i wish the dinette could be turned into a bed.
I’m with Andrea. No fold up mattress. I remember as a teenager before slide-outs that I could like on the back bed as we were traveling. Plus you can get rid of the rv mattress and get a good mattress.
I thought for sure she was gonna say her first dislike was the cabinet handles. The handles are way too high up and almost look as if it's a drawer. Maybe it's my ocd but that one bothered me alot lol
I wish they had made a set of drawers on the right side of the trash can under the sink instead of a big cavernous cabinet, that will be hard to organize. The cabinets are really pretty though. I also wish the bunk over was a set of cabinets instead.
really excited for your visit in Dusseldorf! If you need assistance in German! I am although a bit disappointed with this RV, although it is a Mercedes and a Tiburon, the bathroom is way too small, the door is curved, but it is more of a dislike for me as it restraints the space. there not much space to put your stuff away, and for a Mercedes, not having all the techies stuff, it is a shame. I still prefer my LC25!!!
There's a couple of French Class B's that look amazing. I'd love your honest take on them if they're at the show in Germany. First is the Dreamer Family Van & the second is the Chausson X550.
I love the Class B+ because they really are like a class C RV. Only difference that I can see is that the Chaise is smaller than a Class C. Most important though, is that they are nothing like the awful overpriced small Class B Vans!
This is they size RV I thought we would buy when we started looking in late-2020. Likes: exterior paint, Benz, one touch awning control, with wind sensor, Dislikes: no exterior tv, no ladder (deal breaker), ccc (deal breaker, as in no way, no how), too tight with slides in, not able to walk around bed (deal breaker), bathroom door can't be open all the way because of the bed, plastic shower curtain 'door' (never). Next....Speaking of bringing a ladder, with only 950 lbs ccc - add two people, a dog, full tank of gas, some water in fresh water tank,, ladder - what ya got left????? MSRP - LOL
I'd go for it, but I want to tow a jeep behind us for our side adventures and not a SKINNY JEEP either, lol. At 4,200# towing capacity, the Sprints and the Transit chassis aren't my cup of tea, fortunately. They don't make a class A that short and Class C's of the E350/E450 variety often have exposed tanks that are too risky for freezing on the shoulder season of April and October in the mountains. Keep up the good work!
QUESTION: Which RV is best for a single person who needs a large computer desk to work?---Seems that all RV's are either a full house on wheels or setup for families.---Do I have to build it myself?
Matt i am so sad To see the rv Industry is going to take a big hit with the rising interest rates going up no end in sights plus the price of fuel exceeding 5 dollars a gallon because every miles add up at 8 to 12 miles a gallon but I wish you guys the best in Germany looking forward to those up coming video
For it’s class it is a better unit. The downside of the chassis is frankly the cargo carrying capacity. Two average adults would use a third to half of it. I do appreciate the real bathroom and not a wet bath.
Thank you for the video. The full slide is nice, the interior is nice. I like that it is on a Mercedes’ chassis. I dislike the way the bathroom door opens. That alone would nix it for me. The dinette looks nice but is it comfortable? I understand the manual seats may save some weight, but like Matt says, on a Mercedes’ chassis??? Thank you again
Not to mention that plastic can crack easily. Especially if you are a bigger person like me! I cannot tell you how many plastic toilet seats I have cracked over the years. Since I lost weight it doesn't happen as often.
@Paul Wilgus Thank you for the reply, sure seems to me there has to be a better way. Just for my example, assume all the cabinets are an inch thick, if they made them 7/8ths thick you could have a porcelain bowl and get change back on the weight.
Matt, you are going to be surprised that most of the vendors at the Dusseldorf RV Show will speak English, no worries! People that work at the airports, train stations, hotels, restaurants also speak English as well as most taxi drivers. I watch a lot of YT videos on European RV's and I can tell you without hesitation, the quality, fit and finish and overall design are much better than the US manufacturers (sorry guys, but American made RV's are cheaply built) and the prices are almost the same. In Europe the Mercedes chassis is one of the best, but not everyone has deep pockets there just like here in USA, there is a price for everyone, with that said, other choices are Citroen Jumper, Fiat Ducato and VW. A lot of the Vans/RV's there are standard transmission too and use smaller displacement engines for better fuel economy. And lastly, they don't have too many Vans/RV's with slides!
EXPENSIVE!!! Great storage outside and over cab but the CCC will not support living Looked like the roof was peeling Fold up bed and unable to fully open bathroom door Like the cabinetry look Turn the stove sideways so there is more countertop space Unable to use bed with slide in
Those shelves in the clothes closet are good for shoes... camera gear... etc etc Stuff you don't need every minute. Use the cabinets above the dinette for food storage. The bed not being usable unless slide is out is the one big DISLIKE for me. The windows that are awning style so they can let in air flow and keep out rain are a very nice feature.
Hi Matt … I would like to hear how you think about the KABE Crown it’s actually from Sweden and it’s over 200,000 Grand On Sprinter…. But like the most of Europe RV ‚S no slide out….. it’s painful for me to see all the US motorhomes with the big slide outs ….. maybe I will geht on from the US with all the features and pay less like in Germany 🤔😀
Matt, we have two kids (11yo & 4yo) one requiring a car seat. Does this provide the seatbelts for both of them? 🙏 great reviews. We are looking to get our first motor home this year and your videos really help with us deciding..
Hi Hallo Guten Morgen ! I'm German... I have been watching you guys for Northern VA. STERLING VA. You guys go to Düsseldorf? Fun. I'm from Frankfurt..if u need any help ..i can help translating...
Alan Heath does reviews in europe for years you should synch up with him also your ladder doubles as a bunk ladder I use one in my RV so you get rid of that cheap one, Ill keep my Winnebago View
Who uses a dinette nowadays? They are the most uncomfortable and cramped things in the world. The default should be recliners with a floor table mount.
Hey Matt / Andrea .. aight so here we go with another trash can .. actual cost of the trash can is : $193,726 ( MSRP ) / 8690 lbs (dry weight estimate) x 3 lbs (it’s a medium) gives us $66.88 - those class B and B+ get us up there .:. The curved cabinetry 👍🏽 is really nice; the kitchen is decently equipped 👍🏽 with a good sized fridge and a pantry ; and the bathroom 👍🏽 doesn’t look crowded (+ for the pooping position and we can order porcelain as an option, but, at $200G I don’t think I should have to - tell Thor that plastic doesn’t match the elegance of the cabinets) and + for a decent shower (for a B) .:. I would smack my head on the light above the dinette seat 👎🏽 and the light would lose; I wish the overhead bunk had more room 👎🏽 (my grandkids parents are going to be sleeping there); we know that everything is in shortage but a diesel generator 👎🏽 would be my first choice .:. @ this price I’m agreeing with Matt on the power seats 👎🏽👍🏽 but it’s diesel powered with good torque .:. the end of the day we can get a class C with a washer dryer (Thor makes one) for close enough to the same MSRP as this unit, and the C has a king bed (Thor makes one), so I’m still a class C customer .:. M/A when’s the next KW29 review (I think it’s been a while)!! .. great review guys; nice job on the edit Jen
Drawers under the dinette always seem to cheat you out of storage space. Not a fan of the bunk space. The kitchen needs more drawers. The toilet, ugh. I am just not a fan of this RV.
Darn it Matt! You said you were going to show us how to safely get on and off the roof with the USTEP, but once again you just climbed up the ladder high enough to take a video of the roof☹️☹️☹️
Freulein, ein bier bitte. The only German you need to know. But be careful - raising thumb is one where raising pointing finger is two. Also when need to get rid of some bier, "Herr" is not the ladies room, and "Damen" is not da mens room. (But you can run some side bets to see if Will and Jen figure it out.) While I've liked the Delano/Tiburon in the past as it has been in the premium tier, this one gives me concern. I noticed this one has a new logo "Tuburon SV" Does the SV stand for "special value" or more bluntly, "stripped vehicle?" There appear to be so many downgrades relegating it to lower tier. While I have never liked the TT floorplan, at least in the Delano/Tiburon it has the FB (murphy bed) floorplan on the same full length slide, which unfortunately, Thor doesn't duplicate the dual offering on other models like the Gemini where stuck with the bench/bed only. While there are quite a few likes - cabinets, decor, and even the bathroom as the plastic toilet, even if it was porcelain would be replaced with an ADA 18" "chair height" porcelain toilet...so in this case, plastic is good to be thrown in the recycle bin. Dislikes make it a no-go. First off is the cab. The 8th digit on the VIN# is "M" making it a 2021 chassis, which is normal in the RV industry to differ between RV build year and chassis supplied year. The problem is that the changes as not like it was changes Mercedes made for 2023 - which they haven't announced yet. I do like the head unit with the large display as guessing it is custom to Thor when previously "stripped" chassis removed the 10" display and put in a 7" display with a faceplate covering the 10" space. The problem is deleted features, in addition to fewer safety features, usually delete NAV. Not certain if has rear cameras. Also deleted was the 3 position memory seats that was unique to Mercedes. But the thing that kills it for me is on the window sticker and keeping the price high compared to other stripped versions. Adding to the MSRP is "Surcharge $15,000". In the automotive world, that automatically walk off the lot and it sends me to competitors.
My main comment is if it's Mercedes it should have a porcelin pooper. I might make the cargo capacity drop to 800 lb, but if you want a higher capacity, get a rig on a Dodge or Ford chassis. 'Merica!
200,000 dollars i should be able to open the bathroom door all the way and not have side step into the bathroom. And the dinette needs to go away in favor of a couch or theater seats
Thanks for a great review but $193K+ why would I buy this if there are real Class C for much less and even a couple of Class As for less? Mercedes platform? No thank you
Just an FYI. Most Germans can speak English, especially major Corporate personnel. If you need a translator, I’m fluent in English and German. I’m available to do with you as your personal guide and translator!
So Thor Bought Hymer Group.....as to this unit, you can put lipstick on a Pig, but it is still a Pig! As to the units you will see over there, not all Mercedes......you will see a lot of units built on the Fiat Ducato.....AKA Dodge Promaster! Enjoy Your Trip, we will look for all the input. Funny Story, Thor did not buy Hymer North America, so Roadtrek here in Kitchener/Waterloo is now owned by Groupe Rapido....you may see some of those over there, but probably not under the RoadTrek Name!!!!! can you spell Westfailia?
Well -I am not even going to say what I think of Thor products because it isn’t good and I will NEVER OWN anything under the Thor Industry umbrella again for sure -Once was more then enough for me-But I went to Germany and I liked it so have fun-can’t say I really care about how Europe makes RV’s so don’t know that I would care to watch any of it 🤷♀️🚌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am so excited for you two, I was just wondering how long it would be before you two went international rving and here you two go. Congratulations on the growth of the channel you are forever inspiring me and my brand.
LIKE THE COLORS THE CABINETS THE MASTER QUEEN SIZE BED DON’T LIKE THE BUNK OVERCAB THE COOKTOP IT NEEDS THREE BURNERS THE PLASTIC TOILET MATT AND ANDREA QUESTION ARE YOU TAKING YOUR U STEPS WITH YOU TO GERMANY YOU NEED TO TRY THIS BRATWURST AND MASHED
Germany trip sounds fun, Matt's just going to love all those tiny little RVs there
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I agree with your assessment. Price is too high for me though. I especially agree with Matt's comments on the dinette. I'm one of those people that like a dinette for the flexibility of using it as a table or a daybed for casual lounging or nighttime sleeping. Oh, that cabinetry is awesome.
i'm surprised the bathroom door wasn't a dislike, the fact that it hits the bed when opened is disappointing, maybe a pocket door would have been better. I agree with Andrea on the color scheme, especially in something so small it lightens it up.
High Andrea & Matt! 😁
Another great video!👍👍Thank you! Thank you!👍👍💜🖤💜🖤💜🖤
It's a Tiburon SV. That means it does not have all the electronic fancy stuff. I just bought one. Supply chain issue in Germany. And I had the dealer put in a porcelain toilet.
Düsseldorf ( pronounced Doo sell dorff🙂)is fantastic! Been there many times. The city is also known for having the most bars located on one street! Since you’ll be there in September, you’ll get to experience Oktoberfest in Germany! Try the Schweinshaxe!
no pronounciation is definitely not Doo ... it is ü ha ha ha
My dislikes are can barely open bathroom door with bed there and bunk no room for adults but fur kids and I would use it for storage. Don’t like manual to turn chairs around. My likes are the dinette and wardrobe and the amount of storage you get inside and out. Love the colors inside. It’s.a very nice Class B+. Thank you and Andrea.
I love the outdoor storages that have white interiors making it so easy to see inside.
Nice little motorhome! The Euro cabinets need to be in Class C motorhomes……make it happen, Matt!!
The CCC is kinda low.
It usually is with Mercedes but I'm not sure why.
Thanks Matt and Andrea!
Okay for such a tiny RV. Eurostyling is nice. It might work for a short couple who travel on weekends.
Take the dinette out, add theater seats, put a porcelain toilet in and it would be perfect!
Absolutely!!
There's so much to like such as the drawers under the dinette and the side-opening outside storage, but the lack of lane assist and power seats is a deal breaker on this model. Have fun in Germany! Hope you're able to sight-see while you're out of the country!
There are a lot of tiny class Cs in Europe built on the fiat ducato. Even smaller than American Class Bs. They're laid out and decorated different than American class Cs. Of particular interest would be Wingamm and Hymer since they're starting to import to the US.
The Monaco Vesta class A front engine diesel had interior decor just like that but was flawed with the crappy 6.4L power stroke diesel that broke down constantly. I wish someone would bring that style of RV back with a better power train.
Matt, Andrea, nice review as always. I always learn something. I was wondering if on future reviews if you could comment on whether the microwave ovens and or the range fans vent to the outside? Some don't and some do I believe and for me venting out side is a must. Just a thought., and thanks again.
I think there's seating under the bed when it goes up. The floor plan lists it. Nice little rv. I wand one a little bit bigger. There is quite a bit of storage inside and out for such a little rv. ♥
Not the same floor plan, that's the Murphy bed.
Nice colors but its the same as the 2020. 2021, and 2022 model years, the only difference is its on the cheap chassis! I guess Thors trying to save money again but keeping the prices high for the profits! great video guys! If I was to buy something this expensive it better have all the bells and whistles!
I take a shot of whiskey every time Matt says Very Nice. I'm drunk
One more like…nice outside storage.
Matt the most used trucks for class B and C are Fiat Ducato with sister Citroen, Ford Transit, then Mercedes and some Renault. Volkswagen are only used for some camper vans.
The largest manufacturers with multiple brands are Trigano group, groupe Pilote and Hymer.
There is an English speaking YT channel that has reviewed all brands for many years - Alan Heath. He might be able to give you some insights and refer you to some folks.
Matt and Andrea, here's a wish list of top B+ RVs for you to review in Germany: Hymer Masterline and ML-T; the Protec Q18 with double full-length slides; RC Motorhomes RC8M; the Kabe Royal 780 (with incinerator toilet); the Silver Dream (cabover with rear lounge); and the Wingamm City Suite (coming to the US).
Great review! We just passed a Tiburon on the highway today and When we got home, I thought, “I wonder if Matt and Andrea reviewed one?” And you did❤️. I really like it but agree with you 3 cons. Andrea, I really loved that dress! Have a great day!
WOW, a trip to Germany! Sounds like so much fun.
If you flip up the bed, would it be easier to get into the bathroom?
Can not wait to meet you both in Duesseldorf. See you there
What’s up Matt and Andrea, just FYI in Germany, most Germans speak English. They will say they speak “a little bit” but it’s way more than you think. They can carry on a full conversation no problem. Also some of their conversations is very direct and if you don’t know that ahead of time May find offensive however that’s just how they speak. Lived in Germany for 3 years so I have a decent idea of how it all goes down. Super pumped to see y’all’s video! Take care!
I like all the outdoor storage; For a small RV it's a lot! FYI, next week it will be 103*F in Dallas, TX. It's going to be a very hot summer
My husband and I are researching a new RV for touring Europe. Please send some recommendations. We have a travel trailer now and want to move up to a class B.
i love this class b+ , i love the euro cabinets , i wish they could have lowered the bunk area a bit but all i would use it for is storage anyways . Andrea could you tell us why you don't like the fold down bed ? The light above the dinette could actually be move a little to one side. this one i will place in my wish list.. love it. one thing , there doesn't seem to be many plug ins if any and i wish the dinette could be turned into a bed.
I like to be able to lay down when we are ready traveling.and sometimes the beds that fold aren’t the most comfortable
I’m with Andrea. No fold up mattress. I remember as a teenager before slide-outs that I could like on the back bed as we were traveling. Plus you can get rid of the rv mattress and get a good mattress.
Matt will you guys be at the Hershey show sept 14 -18 ?
I was wondering that too! I live in PA and Hershey is a great place.
Of course 😊
I’m so curious about the SAIC Maxus Life Home V90 Villa Edition. Be really cool if you see one in Germany
U-step ladders don't get a ' Here we go now' ?
I thought for sure she was gonna say her first dislike was the cabinet handles. The handles are way too high up and almost look as if it's a drawer. Maybe it's my ocd but that one bothered me alot lol
I wish they had made a set of drawers on the right side of the trash can under the sink instead of a big cavernous cabinet, that will be hard to organize. The cabinets are really pretty though. I also wish the bunk over was a set of cabinets instead.
i live in Killeen/FTHood tx
Nice RV, I love the over that the cab over bunk has a 500lbs capacity, that leaves 450lbs without water! dismal CCC!
really excited for your visit in Dusseldorf! If you need assistance in German!
I am although a bit disappointed with this RV, although it is a Mercedes and a Tiburon, the bathroom is way too small, the door is curved, but it is more of a dislike for me as it restraints the space. there not much space to put your stuff away, and for a Mercedes, not having all the techies stuff, it is a shame.
I still prefer my LC25!!!
Google translate guys. It's a must.
At that price, I would go with a small Class A. A Super C would be a better option.
Its the Mercedes-benz platform and higher quality materials. Definitely not for everybody,though.
@@xodus1914
High quality, small and cramped and lacking utility is not my idea of luxury.
Is there storage under the bed?
There's a couple of French Class B's that look amazing. I'd love your honest take on them if they're at the show in Germany. First is the Dreamer Family Van & the second is the Chausson X550.
I love the Class B+ because they really are like a class C RV. Only difference that I can see is that the Chaise is smaller than a Class C. Most important though, is that they are nothing like the awful overpriced small Class B Vans!
Because it IS a class C?
Would love to see couch instead of dinette
Come on get some wireless mics.! Over due!
This is they size RV I thought we would buy when we started looking in late-2020. Likes: exterior paint, Benz, one touch awning control, with wind sensor, Dislikes: no exterior tv, no ladder (deal breaker), ccc (deal breaker, as in no way, no how), too tight with slides in, not able to walk around bed (deal breaker), bathroom door can't be open all the way because of the bed, plastic shower curtain 'door' (never). Next....Speaking of bringing a ladder, with only 950 lbs ccc - add two people, a dog, full tank of gas, some water in fresh water tank,, ladder - what ya got left????? MSRP - LOL
I'd go for it, but I want to tow a jeep behind us for our side adventures and not a SKINNY JEEP either, lol. At 4,200# towing capacity, the Sprints and the Transit chassis aren't my cup of tea, fortunately. They don't make a class A that short and Class C's of the E350/E450 variety often have exposed tanks that are too risky for freezing on the shoulder season of April and October in the mountains. Keep up the good work!
How fun! Enjoy Germany!
Hey guys if you liked that interior look at the Winnebago 2022 Journey.
QUESTION: Which RV is best for a single person who needs a large computer desk to work?---Seems that all RV's are either a full house on wheels or setup for families.---Do I have to build it myself?
Matt i am so sad To see the rv Industry is going to take a big hit with the rising interest rates going up no end in sights plus the price of fuel exceeding 5 dollars a gallon because every miles add up at 8 to 12 miles a gallon but I wish you guys the best in Germany looking forward to those up coming video
For it’s class it is a better unit. The downside of the chassis is frankly the cargo carrying capacity. Two average adults would use a third to half of it.
I do appreciate the real bathroom and not a wet bath.
Thank you for the video.
The full slide is nice, the interior is nice. I like that it is on a Mercedes’ chassis.
I dislike the way the bathroom door opens. That alone would nix it for me. The dinette looks nice but is it comfortable?
I understand the manual seats may save some weight, but like Matt says, on a Mercedes’ chassis???
Thank you again
Prevost would be a good review
Matt, why do the put in plastic toilets? Surely it isnt to save $50.00 on a $200,000 rig.
Not to mention that plastic can crack easily. Especially if you are a bigger person like me! I cannot tell you how many plastic toilet seats I have cracked over the years. Since I lost weight it doesn't happen as often.
@Paul Wilgus Thank you for the reply, sure seems to me there has to be a better way. Just for my example, assume all the cabinets are an inch thick, if they made them 7/8ths thick you could have a porcelain bowl and get change back on the weight.
@@mateocafe45 Another Great Reason not to go plastic.
Matt, you are going to be surprised that most of the vendors at the Dusseldorf RV Show will speak English, no worries! People that work at the airports, train stations, hotels, restaurants also speak English as well as most taxi drivers. I watch a lot of YT videos on European RV's and I can tell you without hesitation, the quality, fit and finish and overall design are much better than the US manufacturers (sorry guys, but American made RV's are cheaply built) and the prices are almost the same. In Europe the Mercedes chassis is one of the best, but not everyone has deep pockets there just like here in USA, there is a price for everyone, with that said, other choices are Citroen Jumper, Fiat Ducato and VW. A lot of the Vans/RV's there are standard transmission too and use smaller displacement engines for better fuel economy. And lastly, they don't have too many Vans/RV's with slides!
Go to my mom's hometown of Stuttgart.
Are y'all in the Dallas area?
EXPENSIVE!!!
Great storage outside and over cab but the CCC will not support living
Looked like the roof was peeling
Fold up bed and unable to fully open bathroom door
Like the cabinetry look
Turn the stove sideways so there is more countertop space
Unable to use bed with slide in
Those shelves in the clothes closet are good for shoes... camera gear... etc etc Stuff you don't need every minute. Use the cabinets above the dinette for food storage. The bed not being usable unless slide is out is the one big DISLIKE for me. The windows that are awning style so they can let in air flow and keep out rain are a very nice feature.
Hi Matt … I would like to hear how you think about the KABE Crown it’s actually from Sweden and it’s over 200,000 Grand
On Sprinter…. But like the most of Europe RV ‚S no slide out….. it’s painful for me to see all the US motorhomes with the big slide outs ….. maybe I will geht on from the US with all the features and pay less like in Germany 🤔😀
Matt, we have two kids (11yo & 4yo) one requiring a car seat. Does this provide the seatbelts for both of them? 🙏 great reviews. We are looking to get our first motor home this year and your videos really help with us deciding..
oops dusseldorf lol
Hi Hallo Guten Morgen ! I'm German... I have been watching you guys for Northern VA. STERLING VA. You guys go to Düsseldorf? Fun. I'm from Frankfurt..if u need any help ..i can help translating...
Alan Heath does reviews in europe for years you should synch up with him also your ladder doubles as a bunk ladder I use one in my RV so you get rid of that cheap one, Ill keep my Winnebago View
Who uses a dinette nowadays? They are the most uncomfortable and cramped things in the world. The default should be recliners with a floor table mount.
Hey Matt / Andrea .. aight so here we go with another trash can .. actual cost of the trash can is : $193,726 ( MSRP ) / 8690 lbs (dry weight estimate) x 3 lbs (it’s a medium) gives us $66.88 - those class B and B+ get us up there .:. The curved cabinetry 👍🏽 is really nice; the kitchen is decently equipped 👍🏽 with a good sized fridge and a pantry ; and the bathroom 👍🏽 doesn’t look crowded (+ for the pooping position and we can order porcelain as an option, but, at $200G I don’t think I should have to - tell Thor that plastic doesn’t match the elegance of the cabinets) and + for a decent shower (for a B) .:. I would smack my head on the light above the dinette seat 👎🏽 and the light would lose; I wish the overhead bunk had more room 👎🏽 (my grandkids parents are going to be sleeping there); we know that everything is in shortage but a diesel generator 👎🏽 would be my first choice .:. @ this price I’m agreeing with Matt on the power seats 👎🏽👍🏽 but it’s diesel powered with good torque .:. the end of the day we can get a class C with a washer dryer (Thor makes one) for close enough to the same MSRP as this unit, and the C has a king bed (Thor makes one), so I’m still a class C customer .:. M/A when’s the next KW29 review (I think it’s been a while)!! .. great review guys; nice job on the edit Jen
Welcome to Texas.
If they have electric RVs over there with solar so it's all electric that would be nice to see
Have Ladder Will Travel.
The low CCC is the deal breakers on these; at nearly 200K--there are bigger and better choices at that price range too......
Drawers under the dinette always seem to cheat you out of storage space. Not a fan of the bunk space. The kitchen needs more drawers. The toilet, ugh. I am just not a fan of this RV.
How safe is this rv for passengers when on the road? Without front-facing seats, it seems it would be dangerous for passengers.
These are really only intended for 2 people
Doesnt one side of the dinette face forward and have seat belts? I need to go back and look at the video again. I thought it did.
OMG a 200K RV with a plastic toilet!!!!! I am speechless! GIVE ME PORCELAIN OR GIVE ME DEATH!!! :P
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Darn it Matt! You said you were going to show us how to safely get on and off the roof with the USTEP, but once again you just climbed up the ladder high enough to take a video of the roof☹️☹️☹️
Price too high without murphy bed.
Freulein, ein bier bitte. The only German you need to know. But be careful - raising thumb is one where raising pointing finger is two. Also when need to get rid of some bier, "Herr" is not the ladies room, and "Damen" is not da mens room. (But you can run some side bets to see if Will and Jen figure it out.)
While I've liked the Delano/Tiburon in the past as it has been in the premium tier, this one gives me concern. I noticed this one has a new logo "Tuburon SV" Does the SV stand for "special value" or more bluntly, "stripped vehicle?" There appear to be so many downgrades relegating it to lower tier. While I have never liked the TT floorplan, at least in the Delano/Tiburon it has the FB (murphy bed) floorplan on the same full length slide, which unfortunately, Thor doesn't duplicate the dual offering on other models like the Gemini where stuck with the bench/bed only.
While there are quite a few likes - cabinets, decor, and even the bathroom as the plastic toilet, even if it was porcelain would be replaced with an ADA 18" "chair height" porcelain toilet...so in this case, plastic is good to be thrown in the recycle bin.
Dislikes make it a no-go. First off is the cab. The 8th digit on the VIN# is "M" making it a 2021 chassis, which is normal in the RV industry to differ between RV build year and chassis supplied year. The problem is that the changes as not like it was changes Mercedes made for 2023 - which they haven't announced yet. I do like the head unit with the large display as guessing it is custom to Thor when previously "stripped" chassis removed the 10" display and put in a 7" display with a faceplate covering the 10" space. The problem is deleted features, in addition to fewer safety features, usually delete NAV. Not certain if has rear cameras. Also deleted was the 3 position memory seats that was unique to Mercedes. But the thing that kills it for me is on the window sticker and keeping the price high compared to other stripped versions. Adding to the MSRP is "Surcharge $15,000". In the automotive world, that automatically walk off the lot and it sends me to competitors.
I just watch sometimes because I like the guy not the motorhome 😂
Rubber roof is terrible for this high priced unit
lol i am german and think i will meet you guys there in sept i have family in dusseedorf so i can kill 2 birds with one stone lol.
My main comment is if it's Mercedes it should have a porcelin pooper. I might make the cargo capacity drop to 800 lb, but if you want a higher capacity, get a rig on a Dodge or Ford chassis. 'Merica!
200,000 dollars i should be able to open the bathroom door all the way and not have side step into the bathroom. And the dinette needs to go away in favor of a couch or theater seats
Tiburon stands for Shark 🦈. 🙂
There is an app for phone and/or laptop that translates different languages. :)
This RV is beautiful, but I can not justify spending $193,000 for a bed, an uncomfortable dinette and a plastic toilet😕😕😕
holding out for an electric van
No way that’s worth almost 200,000.
LMAO you all need a class A RV
Plastic toilet with that MSRP price? Seriously??! The cabinets are nice, would prefer a sofa over a dinette. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for a great review but $193K+ why would I buy this if there are real Class C for much less and even a couple of Class As for less? Mercedes platform? No thank you
Just an FYI. Most Germans can speak English, especially major Corporate personnel. If you need a translator, I’m fluent in English and German. I’m available to do with you as your personal guide and translator!
Wish Toyota would make these
I like the class b + camper it remains me of class c.
OCCC makes this a useless vehicle. Why not call this out. Lots of storage space to carry nothing but cotton balls.
So Thor Bought Hymer Group.....as to this unit, you can put lipstick on a Pig, but it is still a Pig! As to the units you will see over there, not all Mercedes......you will see a lot of units built on the Fiat Ducato.....AKA Dodge Promaster! Enjoy Your Trip, we will look for all the input. Funny Story, Thor did not buy Hymer North America, so Roadtrek here in Kitchener/Waterloo is now owned by Groupe Rapido....you may see some of those over there, but probably not under the RoadTrek Name!!!!! can you spell Westfailia?
Gotta tell you,...$193,000 buys alot of nights at the Holiday Inn folks.
Is nice but not super luxury, sprinter is good on diesel. But I rather get Super C
Well -I am not even going to say what I think of Thor products because it isn’t good and I will NEVER OWN anything under the Thor Industry umbrella again for sure -Once was more then enough for me-But I went to Germany and I liked it so have fun-can’t say I really care about how Europe makes RV’s so don’t know that I would care to watch any of it 🤷♀️🚌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸