Is China selling stolen weapon designs?
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Short answer: BIG YES
@Sl Mi let's not forget abouf early rockets.. British stole it from India and americans stole it during british american war.. (not big rockets, small rockets early ones)
Yes early rocket weapons used by the Indians against the Brits , and I think the Brits took that and used against the Americans lol
@Damion C This is so damn funny
Just like the UK, US stole and copied all of german technology. Atleast china didnt kill millions in the process and ship even stones and heritage back to their county.
Agree, but not in a negative way.
Being such a large country that had a failed political system, colonized, and educated dozens of invasions, China had to catch up US/Russia’s advancement in 1/3 of a century.
China had to play dirty in order to better itself, and I would say they did a pretty good job. The world isn’t Black and White, everyone plays dirty for profit.
Worked for a grain machine company in Illinois and they went out of business shortly after selling large grain machines to a Chinese company that we later found out copied the design and used it to clean large amounts of rice and other grains.
Let me guess: low quality but cheaper
@@vivliforia2262 exactly, they made the same machines for a fraction of the price that didn't even last half as long as the originals.
@@lordot8665 sounds like good business. Your company should’ve done that.
@@codechannel528 Yes.. this is only possible because China doesn't respect patent laws
@@stefrecords1 The US wasn't worried about patents when they stole rockets from Germany
I once copied my friends biology report. He got a D and I got an A. When we both walked up and pointed it out. The teacher liked me so much, that instead of failing me, he gave my friend an A as well 🤣
"I once copied my friends biology report. He got a D and I got an A."
It's the same in court - nothing is as 'rational' it seems on paper. Connections and personality matter.
You must be in the US...a collapsing country. Why not go down with it.
@@okaunis tf are you talking about??
@@tadounia01 Did you see the original comment? It's meaning how the US has no standards. The teacher gives both an A just to shut them up, rather than figure who knows what.
@@okaunis yeah, he used a very shitty metaphor to explain it.
US / Russia: Hey look I made a new Weapon
China : Our weapon
nice
*Israel: Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. Heheheh*
Yep china takes communism too literally 🤣
China: "Hey can I copy your homework?"
The World: "No."
China:
Teacher:China China China, can you explain to me why you have the same answers as some of your classes mates
School bell rings
China: sorry teacher, I can't answer that the bell rang it's end of school
It's more like,
The World: "No"
after wwii, the japanese start copying british cars, german cameras, and US electronics. just like china today, the japanese copied for few decades. But after that, british cars? what british cars? german camera?.. right.. US electronics? bahaha While the chinese are learning, improving, and making better and better items.. american are here complaining and complaining.
@@pierrecao4758 British cars got killed by Margaret Thatcher’s economic policies and German competition, not Japanese competition. Leica cameras, they are German and still doing very well, Zeiss lenses another German company are also doing very well as their lenses are an essential part of many cameras and smartphones. American electronics Apple is still doing very well . The question should not be does China copy, the question should be should we allow China to copy our designs, then sell them in the most lucrative markets (EU, North America, Japan, Australia, New Zealand). If we choke China off from selling the copied designs in our markets it will cripple them.
Bro he's a china schill .... china creates garbage. Fact we know it
"Quantity has a quality all its own" They do not need to have the very best, just the good enough.
Actually, that's the way every product ist designed. "Just good enough" is the number one priority for every engineer.
Not really you can have old 30 soviet tanks go against 4 modern T-90MS or Armata and get absolutely destroyed
In the past, and to a degree, this WAS true. However, going forward where the intrinsic properties and functionality of a system or where material Science is a vital feature of a dominant system, quantity just means MORE TARGETS. Copy? Maybe. Match the science? Much more difficult‼️‼️Quality really does matter, in a fight.
@@AmerIsHere then why America are leaving Afghanistan if these so modern weapons are that great?
@@AmerIsHere First, good enough doesn't mean outdated. One needs to keep pace in technology development and China is doing that. Good enough for today's world. Second, doctrine matters. How those tanks will be deployed? 4 modern T-90s or Armata vs 30 soviet tanks with artillery and infantry support? Can one surprise the modern tanks while sleeping/refueling? or perhaps one just needs to destroy your logistic supply chain that keeps your modern tanks running. Wars never happen in a vacuum. That is a laboratory approach that never happens in reality.
This whole thing is strongly reminiscent of the rise of Imperial Japan in the late 19th to early 20th century. The world better be careful not to make the same mistake in assuming copying is all they can do.
For instance, whenever Japan came out with a new aircraft the international intelligence community didn't even question it and immediately went to figure out what it was a "copy" of, stretching as far as they needed to. In another example, the U.S. Navy's Bureau of Ordnance insisted the specs of the infamous Type 95 torpedo were complete bogus. "They can't possibly have something like that because we don't!" was the general mindset; a trap that seems dangerously easy to fall into even today.
Japan just didn't copy military designs in the 1920s and '30s, they went on to copy western technology and manufacturing processes after the war. Japan's advantage was a cheap and motivated labor force at the time. Japan eventually began to develop its own technologies and manufacturing processes. Today Japan faces the same problems of advanced western economies and is moving manufacturing to other nations to save on labor and transportation to remain competitive.
IMO China is different because the CCP controls the economy in China and is ideologically driven. Similar to the US and possibly the UK (during the industrial revolution) China seeks to grow its political influence through its economic strenght. The problem is that the world has changed and the age of empires is at an end IMO.
for japan, you call it "rise". for china, you might wanna call it "recover". look at a longer history bro.
Japan didn't have a history of rampant corruption and lies though, China does, it is extremely plausible for Chinese companies who not only hoodwink westerners, but also their own government for some quick gains.
@@georgegu3374 "look at longer history bro" you mean the fragemented china that was constantly fighting itself? explain how that was superior to modern unified china.
@@abrahkadabra9501 What we have learned over the past two years is that if you rely on "private enterprise" in military production, you get problems. If you have a centrally planned procurement process, then you have far fewer problems in military procurement.
US and Russia: - Hey, China! Do you want to license or copycat our technology?
China: YES!
Someone stole the gunpowder recipe once, then look what happened.
The Chinese probably stole it from the Mongols
@@billsharp8992 The Mongols were a nomadic culture. They were enlightened in some respects but they tended to assimilate the scientific discoveries of those they conquered outside of technologies related to horse augments (saddles) and ranged weaponry (composite bows).
RTX3090 SLI owner true some people really have biases that they wont accept facts 🤣🤣 they get butt hurt coz their idol didnt make that one thing
@RTX3090 SLI owner wtf wkwkwkwwkek
China didn't invent flammable and explosive mixtures. They did however quickly perfect gunpowder since they used the fireworks way too many times for that age. The key was a slower burning type for the weapons, because a firework stuck inside as a propellant will blow the barrel out.
Long answer: I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations...
Short answer: Hell yeah! Wooooo!
Are you fucking high? Covert clearly stated some of these designs were either licensed or unfairly taken. But some of them are not. When and where did he say he can’t confirm these are copies?
@@christianryansino3257 I don't know if you are serious or not...
@@ThatHonestGuy So apparently me describing literally the video itself for what it is, is not serious for you. I can’t tell if you’re on acid or smoking something really badass.
@@christianryansino3257 I made a joke in a format that is clearly satirical and you say that I'm trippin' balls. Good luck in life!
@@ThatHonestGuy Satirical? Of what? If it’s the video it’s so accurate and shows so little resemblance no one can tell. Except for the 18 people that liked your comment because they believe you were spreading pro-NATO propaganda.
just buy rolex watch copy 1:1 , ray-dan sunglasses and Abibas tracksuit pants yesterday .. good and cheap .
Even reverse engineering takes talent tbh
Off course. It’s China. There is a doctrine in China that says “師夷長技以制夷”, which translates to “learn from what’s foreign to beat what’s foreign”. This doctrine was first popularized during the Qing dynasty when imperial China was under pressure from the British Empire. Needless to prove that this idea still guides China’s technology development today.
Well, if not for Century of Humiliation, we wouldn't to go to this period tho.
Same happened in Japan during the Meiji restoration. Going from a feudal society to thrashing the Russian Navy in a few short decades mostly be learning from others and eventually overtaking.
@@zogworth Well, Westernizing too much wasn't a good idea though. Imperial Japan wants to "teach China a lesson" because China was eclipsed by the West and had incompetent leaders, they don't still deserved to be treated as rats. That's why we have a big, paranoid China now because of that "teaching a lesson" BS.
@@JuanDelaCruz-bs3ni oh boy yes, the Kwantung Army were a genocidal law unto themselves.
@@JuanDelaCruz-bs3ni what a Filipino name, Remember China made gunpowder til we have arrived now, if it weren't for us, the world would still used catapults and bows in both world wars
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
Oscar Wilde
The company that copied Segway and now owns it agrees!
Maybe but, they're the 4th Reich so, probably not, but you never know...so as my man said......"CHINA @$$ (___0___)" F
Trekkie from New Zealand
'You can never win an argument with a fool'
Oscar Wilde
@@JonatasAdoM What's Segway?
Especially when it saves you billions in R&D...
well if war thunder has told me anything
its that china is the kid who takes your homework, copy it and then boast about it to the teacher and the rest of the class.
( also i think im on a list now for saying that )
😿
in wt,china is just a shit cheater,no doubt.I am chinese.
America steals Russian tech too. Why don't u talk about that??
@@zylnexxd842 America has copied specific designs from others. Almost the entirety of chinas military is stolen. Big difference.
China: I can look the mushroom cloud and make an H-Bomb。 Are you smart enough to do it even if I gave you the blueprint?
"Stole by China" then "Made in China"
@Hans Otto Kroeger Kaethler many of those are not only way oversimplified, but also straight up false
@@TheSiprianus It took billions of U.S budget to create those "dreams" of German nuclear weapons.
It took thousands of years and none stop wars from every continent to reach the modern rifle from from that "Chinese gun-powder", People until few centuries ago still even used Cavalry charges until the rifles and artillery became effective enough in fully ranged combat we see today.
I can also draw a fucking shit ton of crap on papers and maybe a nation with enough BUDGET will actually create it hundreds of years from now.
@Hans Otto Kroeger Kaethler Silk - stolen out of China.
@@tliew3846 it wasn't stolen. It was traded.
@Hans Otto Kroeger Kaethler Not really. The Americans beat the Germans to the bomb fair and square.
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He has a good podcast too.
@@demun6065 where can I find said podcasts? they on spotify? feel that would be a touchy subject for spotify given current cancel culture.
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@Damion C i agree. US took over vast amount of NAZI tech and scientists after WWII while ignoring their war crimes. The father of US space program was personally responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands slave labors.
This is probably most unbiased report on China I've heard in a while
without any doubt it's
Covert cabal is unbiased about china 😂😂😂?
It’s kind of funny that the Chinese have so much pride yet obviously don’t really have any by the way they operate
Relying on copying means you'll always be second best.
Interesting because the US doesn’t have hypersonic missiles and China does. Also China has set the standard for battle ready destroyers and drones.
'Battle ready': when's the last time a Chinese destroyer fired a missile in anger or come under attack? 1945?
Your late to th× party the us had hypersonic years ago for example the sm 6 hit to kill missle
@@helix5487 bullshit, their version of sukhoi engine suck hard, heck maybe soviet era engine have better quality than chinese copy! A lot of chinese copy engine/electronic stuff is worse than the original. Although their quality control is improved in this decade, their slightly complicated stuff still lag behind the original. But, in the simple stuff, like gun optic, they shine. Cheap as fuck, and good enough.
@@altoclan21 A chinese researcher just released an engine design that breaks every previously conceived notion of rocket technology with the ability to reach Mach 16 -- the theoretical limit for atmospheric travel. If you have a degree in engineering I would highly suggest reading the paper.
*”By importing many foreign aircraft and weapons, we in Japan were able to gauge approximately what these weapons could and could not do. By keeping our planes and other armament within our borders and free from prying eyes, we led the world seriously to underestimate the combat strength of our naval aviation” ~ Masatake Okumiya (former Lt. Commander of the Imperial Japanese Navy in WWII).*
And got nuked
@@munnumkhalid twice
@@munnumkhalid @Friso S Resorting to nukes in order to stop a tiny island nations is definitely a sign of desperation to stop an enemy. Most of Asia was controlled by Europe who thought they didn’t need to prepare to defend their colonies against Japan. This resorted in Japan taking pretty all of Asia.
@@christianryansino3257 Sign of desperation? Its a sign of ending a conflict. The Japanese were extremely committed to bushido, and theoretically the US could just starve out the entirety of Japan. By 1945 the IJN was pretty much nonexistent, so were their oil supplies. There were three ways to end the conflict, siege and starvation, which would take a long ass time, and is probably risky. Amphibious assault (which was far bloodier, the Purple Crosses used today were made during WWII because they thought Operation: Downfall was gonna be bloody as hell). Or Nukes. We know what happened. Japan was never gonna win. Its not an act of desperation when your enemy can't even punch back anymore.
@@johannescolin3603 Still nonetheless, one of the main reasons Japan took so much of European-owned Asian nations to begin with was because the allies underestimated Japanese forces which cost the lives of many allied troops.
This takes CTRL C and CTRL V to another level
my friend in the Indonesian army, says at the beginning the army lure by the cheap price of Chinese-made weapons but soon in the field, it discovers that like was the Chinese-made mortar, it was only dangerous to the operator and wildly inaccurate. he says that Chinese weapons were only good for a display purpose.
American army did not trust yours
Mortar “only dangerous to the operator” 😂😂😂 Maybe a slight exaggeration but very funny.
For most countries, weapons ARE only for display purposes. Who is Indonesia going to fight? Australia?
If I'm not mistaken isn't this how most major powers rose in the first place starting with a suedo copy phase and building on that experience and their designs to eventually create their own design
Didn’t this really only happen after WW2 though? Because I can’t think of a modern example.
The Soviet Union started off by making designs copying american vehicles and aircraft given to them during the Lend-Lease program.
america copy germany after ww1 the perfect example is Nuclear bomb.
@@kaisasong1332 you are an delusional, the nuke was deceloped independantly in the Manhattan Project, not from Germany. The Germans had their own independant programme.
@@ultimateedgelord3586 The US sent spies to retrieve Nazi nuclear documents as well as round up German scientists tho?
When you left behind. Copy.
When you touch the frontier. Create.
Personally I love DF17 pretty much.
I am a pro automobile designer before. DF17 is designed by wind hole. Not human. I'm pretty sure.
That why it looks perfectly dangerous and beautiful.
you'd be right, wind hole and AI
"No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat."
Deng Xiao Ping
"There's no rule that states an imitation cannot beat the original"
-Emiya Shirou
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I am the bone of my sword
Too much noodle culture here
Yes there is, they need to follow it
@@VicariousAdventurer There ain't, cope harder
There’s no points for originality. If you can steal a design and build more of them with the money you save, then why not?
The only reason not to do it would be backlash from other countries.
(like Russia mentioned in this video)
@@Jehty21 who cares if you have more of the most advanced weapons and everyone relies on you for production?
@@HydratedBeans the latter can change. Not in a short period of time but if you become enemies with everyone it will bite you back
@@Jehty21 true
@@HydratedBeans If China ever goes to war with USA or Russia they can easily defeat copied equipment. After all they made it. They know its strength and weakness.
You simply can't find more objective Chanel on RUclips about military. Great job
Covert cabal is the greatest
@Damion C ruclips.net/video/ka_ZWejt5q8/видео.html literally 4 videos ago
It's been said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so I guess they are impressed by everybody
the concept of patent law is by opening the tech to the public to exchange protection from government for a certain time, if you keep it as business secret you can not blame others produce similar thing after they figure out your trick...
i wish you made videos more often, love your vids
I like the quality over quantity.
Same here
Also the HQ-7 and the Crotale, you'll notice the Wikipedia page was edited to remove references to the Crotale.
If I remember, it was licenced.
Not true
@@starestairs5090 It was updated again right after this, before that the crotale was missing
great video, as alway! I'd be really interested to hear you speak about the US' current next-gen aerial drone prototypes like the X-47B and XQ-58A and the roles they would play in combat. I've found there to be very little video commentary on the combat role of these systems
The X-47B is a pilotless bomber but will also have air refuelling capabilities.
The MQ-25 has succeeded the Northrop X-47B but the XQ-58A is an areal combat vehicle, similar to Boeing Australia’s loyal wingman.
US: china is copying us!
USSR: is this your first time?
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
That said, there has also been domestic Chinese designs that even if they never saw service, the research and development does influence later designs. The influence of the J-9 project on the J-10 and J-20 for example.
It remains relatively unknown outside of China but even if they copy, there is more going on than meets the eye.
China is going to attempt to flatter the US to death.
Chinese weapons constantly participate in wars outside of China.
J 9 is similar to some unsuccessful mig projects, probably because of aerodynamics, J 10 is almost certainly adjusted LAVI, blueprints bought from Israel, J 20 feels "inspired" by mig 1.44, f 22, et al... but again, similar requirements in stealth and aerodynamics will produce similar looking designs. It is more of a integration of successful elements. Where they fail is metallurgy and engine technology.
I heard of a meme "Be on your guard the Communist never tell the whole truth". But it was a CIA agent saying that. i agree though theres always more to them.
@@Arhpeco
J-9 is iterally an earlier version of the J-10
J-10 isn't Lavi, the only similarity is the airframe, fire control, weapon placement and radars are all different. If similar airframe means it's a copy, then is Eurofigher and Typhoon copying Lavi too?
J-20 isn't inspired by mig 1.44 or F-22. There is only one way to make stealth fighters.
Chinese metallurgy and engine difficulties were overcame like a decade ago. WS-10 is similar in performance to western counterparts.
Let's not be overly humble! Who doesn't understand little-ol quantum physics? 😆
Right? It's not string theory!
your mom thats who
Very implessive
The DF-21D is a copy of the US Pershing Ii adapted for a different mission. The US decommissioned Pershing Ii after the INF Treaty was signed.
China: control c control v
Also China: WOW BRAND NEW TANK COMPLETELY ORIGINAL ONLY 99999999999.99 WHAT A DEAL
Cheating is only wrong if copying the answers doesn't help you understand the source material better. The ultimate point of education is to learn, after all.
When I was in high school, we all had graphing calculators, but it was forbidden to use any programs on them to solve problems for math tests. I had written a program that could apply all the trigonometry formulas we'd learned in class, and give me the missing angles for triangles. I just couldn't remember the formulas to save my life, but I could remember them just long enough to write code. Before each test, I deleted the program, showed my teacher my calculator was clear...and then restored the program from a spare calculator in my backpack before using it to answer test questions. I only got half credit on trigonometry problems because I didn't show my work, but that was better than nothing, and since I wrote the program myself I obviously learned the source material at least once. Cheating? Yes. Wrong? No.
Generals have won wargames by 'gaming the system' (Riper) - if the same can be applied in any way to the battlefield, e.g. attacking from a direction that was deemed unlikely (e.g. D-Day) it will give an edge to bold commanders.
*War is a 'contest of will'* (Clausewitz) - not just a mathematical equation.
('Millennium Challenge' 2002)
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I'm not sure what you expected to be honest, I mean just look at their leader who they copied directly from a much loved Disney character who loves honey.
Resorted to personnal attack, this low!wow!u should taken out from the gene pool.
who? xin jin pooh?
lol
😆😆😆
@@kengkwongyau3862 Winnie the Pooh, Winnie the Pooh
Tubby little cubby all stuffed with fluff
He's Winnie the Pooh, Winnie the Pooh
Willy nilly silly old bear
What i learned from an American Business Consultancy franchisee is there is no such thjng as copying but benchmarking.
Excellent analysis. Actually fair, balanced and informed.
Truly rare.
Their strengths are their production capacity and cost of production. This was intentional strategy to make the world submit both economically and militarily through trade, investment, and flexing military power to expand. It has been largely successful. While technologically they may be a step or two behind in certain systems, they can produce vast numbers of them and this can raise the average technological level of their forces up to comparable levels or higher than those of many potential adversaries. They can also sustain a very large force while having enough production to modernize it all, not just a small portion of forces as is typical in many countries.
For example, the J-10 fighter has already had over 400 aircraft produced, already replacing half of legacy J-7 that were copies of MiG-21 and which used to the backbone of the PLA Air Force. J-10 is a much more capable fighter, a medium weight fighter similar to European and Israeli delta wing designs. While J-10 is not "cutting edge" nor is it stealthy it is a relatively high capability fighter somewhere in between Gripen and Rafale. Upgrading their lower tier forces up to a much higher standard creates a much stronger force overall. The West has instead been focused on the next shiny new gadget but only produced them in modest numbers or even canceled some projects. The PLA lags behind such development but then implements them fully once they have serviceable copies and have become more adept at modifying them to suit their own needs.
The United States and Russia both still use a large amount of equipment from the mid to late 20th century. The PLA is now at a comparable level to the USA during Desert Storm which was the culmination of decades of cold war military research and investments. During the 1990s there was a sudden draw down in forces and reduction in investments and production in both Russia and the United States as a so called "peace dividend" and some of this was due to treaty obligations on the part of the USA and economic troubles on the part of Russia. At the same time the economic might of the PRC was growing, funded by foreign trade and investments. The PLA was thus able to catch up to these two big world powers by copying their tech and using trade to fund their military production while their rivals slowed down. The shift to anti insurgency related tech after 9/11 was eagerly copied by the CCP for use both by the PLA and internal security to control and oppress their own population. They now still have some older platforms such as H-6 but then again, nearly half of the USA strategic bombers are ancient B-52s and Russia still uses mostly older bombers including many ancient Tu-95s and the PLA has more H-6 than the US B-52s and Russian Tu-95s combined. While they lack cutting edge stealth bombers, so does Russia and the USA only has 20 aging B-2s and is still waiting on B-21 production while B-1Bs are being retired. The supposed technological edge of the West is largely meaningless without production to leverage that advantage and implement it.
There certainly are some areas where the West still maintains technological and in active in service unit numerical superiority but for how much longer? If this trend continues then the technological edge will get thinner and eventually the numerical advantage will shift to the PLA. The way to prevent this is to decouple economic ties with the PRC as much as possible and invest in other countries instead and modernize existing forces through increased production to bring total forces up to current best standard. There also should be increases in security and reduced diplomatic presence with consulates and legal barriers to investment in both directions to reduce industrial espionage and economic capture. Cut off their supply of foreign money and designs down to a trickle and put that elsewhere such as India or back into our own countries. This will have a large impact on future economic and military development trends.
what kind of experience do china have in war? they're soldier might be gays
@@Hololivetagalogsubs none but than again Most American enlisted soldiers and pilots never fought when they were mobilized for Gulf war. Or second Iraq war. Basic soldier usual only serve a half decade before rotating out for civillian life.
Training and officers corp are everything which The US does very well.
So far it looks like china is lacking in both of those (thankfully) but if invest money and training that could change quickly.
As for gays the only gay person I know is a man that is just under 2 meters tall and is 130 kilos of pure muscle who served in the 2014 blood bath that was the Donbas in Eastern Ukraine. He could run most men into the ground and than carry them and their pack the rest of the way.
Nah, J-10 is an F-16 knockoff, improved true but it's tech old almost 50 yrs. It's not "between Rafale and Gripen" don't be silly. Their stealth fighter is also based on Russian older designs, you don't put canards on stealth. Their tanks are based on T-72 designs, again, the same story. it's true that they are improving fast but IMO they are improving mostly so they could not be bullied anymore by the US, the one and only true evil empire on the planet today. Since their country is surrounded by US bases from all sides (Same as RUS btw) and you can almost see the American carriers from the tallest shangai buildings, it's no wonder they are building massive anti-ship missiles. And you know that US must maintain a presence in the southern Chinese sea, same as they have to fly drones over Iran. To secure peace and stability in the region!
A very good analysis but I would add one thing the US if its decides to up production it can do so very very fast,so PRC is a long long way behind the US
@@roberttauzer7042 J-10 is closer to Lavi than F-16. The wing and canard layout is similar to the Eurocanards. The empty weight is just below Rafale.
The latest tanks have evolved quite a bit away from Soviet designs. Unlike many other countries that are just T-72 knock offs, it is more complicated than that. They started with T-55 copies but used elements of several different Soviet designs for more recent tanks, including T-72 and others. The most modern tanks are a mix of Russian and Western design elements and are reasonably capable. The hulls tend to be similar to T-72 but the turrets are closer to Western designs such as Leo2 or Abrams.
The PLA has over 1000 Type 99 series tanks and over 2500 Type 96 series tanks plus some Type 15 light tanks. They also have thousands of older main battle tanks in reserve that are closer to old Soviet designs.
The PLA is not surrounded by the US, there are only some to the East in Korea, Japan, and US territory. The PLA has been focused on attacking the USA long before the US woke up and realized they are a threat. The PLA conducts daily attacks on the US, there are exchange server based attacks that just started for example. The PLA is not a victim of bullying - they are the bullies. The PRC has border disputes with all of their neighbors and has invaded several of them and then erased local culture and conducted genocide.
When any company or country copies something from another, there is a international trial to decide what penalties will be applied.
When China does the same, nothing is done to them.
Why?
all countries with high nuclear stockpile are immune to trials etc.
@@hphp31416 Either you live on cave or you have no idea what you talking about.
Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world and has sanctions til the bones.
It is likely some version of plausible deniability. Nobody can prove those designs are copied, so there is no trial.
international law was created by the west for the west.
@@kimeli You are wrong.
G5 or G20 doesnt discuss problems from the west only.
Neither the international law which all countries (few exceptions) are subject to its rules, were created with one region in mind.
Everything was created for the good on international commerce, trades, protection, law, etc.
Thats why Japan, South Korea, Vietnan, Thailand, Philipines, etc are part of it, because they want to protec their rights and their companies.
Once you have Russia and China breaking the rules, you cannot expect to not suffer consequences from your actions.
Well, not China, they can copy everything from everyone and never get a punishment for that.
4:47 WING LOONG ONE
I can't stop laughing
That Y-9 transport is also suspuiciously similar to the C-130.
Very good video and point of view of the situation.
Mostly of the youtubers just sit on the chair and brag the China copy without quote that they also are begining to develop their own new technology.
Great point buddy and greetings from Brazil.
US: what happened to our software?
China: Did I do that....
If you don’t want your designs to be used against you, don’t design them!
No you airgap the computer that has the data, so it cant be copied?
Russia: Quantity has a quality of its own
China: Quality has a copy of its own
When aren't they?
And what country doesnt copy? That's how progress is built upon
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s other countries also pays for royalties or permission to use patents and develop i cooperation. There is a reason Russia only sells substandard or old tech to China though.
@@cheesecakedoublepeanutbutt6511 When did I even mention a license, you dolt
Did you not like, not see the end of the video? Where Covert specifically stated China’s ballistic missiles are a one-of-a-kind?
@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ You have the brain capacity of a fruit fly. Did Covert mention any tanks, ships, guns, or artillery that’s copied? No, because not everything within the PLA are direct copies. I’m not saying it’s good that they copy, but at least they aim to move from copying to creating.
TBH if there is already an effective weapon system design, why not just copy and use it? It is not like U.S. would license its military technologies to China anyway.
BeCaUsE CoPyING Is ChEaTiNg! (c)
Seriously, when people will realize that big politics is not the chivalry game?
it goes to show how China can never innovate.
If I'm honest, I have to smile a bit about it. In HOI4 I often play multiplayer rounds with the Millennium Dawn modern day mod and mostly play China and use the secret service to steal licenses from other nations such as Germany, France, Russia, Great Britain and the USA just to pass them on to smaller nations xD
the problem is not "What! China copied us!!!"
the problem is when the product fails and then they noticed the small sticker that says "Made in china"
As an Iranian I prefer we stick with the TOR for now. Lol.
Proven in civilian air traffic control
Is it that bad that even you guys don't trust their equipment?
@@jessevine5866 Ouch!
@@orneryokinawan4529 Absolutely, TOR has shown its combat effectiveness. This Chinese copy could be a huge gamble. All to save a few bucks. Not worth it.
@@jessevine5866 USS Vincennes, ring a bell? The US Navy set the precedent in that department.
So what you're saying is that China is Kakashi with the Sharingan. Got it. I welcome our Chinese overlords.
Nah. They are some loser uchiha got killed by itachi.
@@smithwerber414 /whoosh
Ergonomic is not enough to build a functional system, the classified data is usually not supplied nor can be hacked from internet. However ergonomic do held some useful information on utility, it provide a direction on what to do.
Selling hardware is one part of the deal you need logistical support and training _ all export products are on usually tamed down variants
This Is the Tor M1 but with modern electronics and missiles range 10m height and 10m lengtht so it's good.
The have the second economy in the world more engineers then any other countries and they have stolen or copied from everyone even Russia
They buy a small amount to get the tech and others should do the same to them.
Serbia seems to have bought the advanced SAM FK3 100milions per battery with 3 launchers each and a radar which seems too be some type of copy of the Patriots radars ,the missiles are based on the S300 PMU1 but only based they developed them for 20years guided in two ways and the Chinese military are buying more and more of them but their version has a 170km range and 27km height . It's said that Serbia bought two and got a third for free.
Serbia have bought some drones from China and the only reason was so we can develop our own, many military weapons that are bought by Serbia are in small numbers which we can assume that they are most likely trying to do exactly what China is doing otherwise why would someone bought 4-5 different types of weapons systems and all of them are bought in small numbers,
we bought only 6 CH-92A Chinese drones with only 50 missiles, and now there is talk about buying Turkish drones, in my opinion the only reason why someone is doing this is for research purposes, it is much cheaper to copy then to develop technology yourself
@@fpsserbia6570 Znam brate! Možda bolje da kupe Wing Loong2 ali dobro mi imamo dobru saradnju sa Kinezima trebamo navodno veći dron sa njima da napravimo. Ali ne razumem koji je problem napraviti isti kao mini Harpy kad izađe iz kontejnera onda se krilo okrene i fiksira do možemo sami a ne onaj gavran.
Kinezi su navodno napravili njihov mini Harpy kamion sa oko 20-30 takvih .
Ali čitao sam da je Belorusija kupila Protivnik GE radar i druge ne kažu tačno koje i bi trebali taj da umrezimo sve rusko i Kineski što imamo i kad već kupuju Francuski zašto GM200 umesto GM400.
Protivnik GE ima domet 450km i jedan je od radara S400 sistema ali ruski Gamma AESA mobilni je vrh ,samo i Česi imaju pasivni radar Vera Kinezi su hteli da ga kupe ali SAD zaustavli dil. Pasivni radar ne pravi mikrotalase pa se jako teško detektuje i to dobro za nas. Ali jedan GM200 nije dosta i zrava logika zbog umreženja Protivnik GE je idealan i to može tajno kao sa FK3 ,ne priča se i kad stigne tu je i šta Ameri da kažu oni se samo plaše Nebo M ali ima i Nebo SVU modernizovani koji je stepen ispod Nebo M e tu ko zna. Ali mi imamo i modernizovan P18 i uvek je dobro imati puno radara i onda komandni centar Poliana D4 koji se umrezi sa svim radarima i može svakom PVO sistemu da šalje informaciju od drugih radara. Ali morace da kupimo jos raketa za CH92A mislim da ce kupiti jos 3 i onda CH95 veci dron.
Kupicemo jos raketa za Mistral 3 posto smo kupili 50 raketa a za CH92A smo kupili samo 18 raketa.
Good Deal
Others should do the same to them? That would only be possible if they actually did anything original
@@SetMyLife they already did, they made new anti-ship cruise missiles, based on their own reaserches, it took them i think 10years to make them
They make tons of AKs in the US,without paying Kalashnikov royalties, talking about 103 AKs new series
For private sales so people who like Kalashnikovs can use them.
@@marcosburgos8415 it's intellectual property, you need a license! You can't have different standards, just because you don't like someone
Oh no! PSA makes cheap 103 copies!!! How will Russia's economy survive this!?
I'm 100% certain Russia has much bigger fish to fry with China than some weapon manufacturer in South Carolina that gun's for the poors.
@@fabiantaveras8458 it's the principle, I live here and prefer having more options, but you can't call out shit if you're doing the same
@@pashapasovski5860 they don't use intellectual property, first of all communists aren't supposed to believe in property so stealing from the USSR is fine, the USSR has collapsed so there's no rightful owner of the IP anymore, and even then patents expire. The design is old. Just like ANYONE can manufacture 1911s and AR-15s without a license. It's like saying Boeing or Airbus have to pay licenses to the Wright brothers to make airplanes. And look at Glocks. You can literally buy Glocks without a single Glock made part. You don't need a license to copy their mechanism.
China: Hippity hoppity your design is now my property
Outstanding presentation
The phenomenon began with the dissemination of advances in flint-knapping techniques.
Should have nipped it in the bud then!
@@VicariousAdventurer Instead of allowing chips off the original block to evolve into sophisticated weaponry?
the only conclusion to this is that their espionage capabilities are god tier! good for them why they have to spend billions on research when they can spy on the enemy and get things done quicker?
No need for espionage when the biggest military in the world has representatives that give away its secrets for money lol
exactly. I don't get what the big deal is if it kills the same
Ikr.
The west has been transferring tech to China for decades. Anything to make a quick buck. Strategic long-term thinking is not one of the strengths of capitalist profit whores.
@@antred11 Exactly, these western business corporations cared only about money. In 1989, the so called leader of the free world said that the relationship with china was a strategic one and wouldn't change even after the CCP killed thousands in a single night. Even after seeing many warning signs that CCP wouldnt liberalise, the US took no action when it was the world's undisputed superpower. The US (at least the intelligence and military establishment) finally woke up in 2018 and started to counter china more aggressively.
The thumbnail looks like the APC from Aliens🤣
Absolutely, we’ve seen an UAV example; CH-4B (CASC Rainbow) station during Iraqi Army Aviation counter - terror ops and its just a replica of US predator, lesser hours airborne? Maybe Shorter range? Definitely, still effective for bad guys hunting though and the Chinese used Iraq experience to modify, tweak and upgrade it for similar West-Asian operations theater.
In India there is a saying: "Nakal ke liye bhi akal chaiye" meaning you need to have some knowledge even if you are copying something. The west feels that china copies everything (they do copy a lot) but china even evolves their stuff, and the west has reached their saturation limit.
i think the biggest part of this that will come back to bite them is that there is almost always something overlooked when you try to copy something, especially something so advanced like military tech. we'll see i guess
@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ lol imagine believing the garbage you just conjured up
@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ did you even watch the entire video?
If they didn't have any grasp on the technology they were copying or their own "home grown industry" they wouldn't be producing any weapons much less make improvements in some cases. The video also mentioned advanced weapons (the hypersonic and anti ship ballistic missiles) that were developed from scratch. The Chinese wouldn't be able to do that if they were as ignorant as you claim.
Reverse engineering is NOT simple.
Of course many of their students study abroad. If you want to gain as much knowledge as possible in a field, it's common sense to learn from the current leaders in that field.
@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ The ignorance born out of your reply is astounding and laced with racial undertones.
China itself was once a more advanced and prosperous civilization than the West. In its 4000 years of history, it has weathered the worst that humankind has thrown at them and survived. Few nations/cultures have ever reached that level of achievement - let alone the United States, a bastion of western success and whose very short history is already showing cracks on its very foundations.
The Dragon has survived throughout the dawn of written history and I'm willing to bet will still be around long after the United States is gone and splintered into its own contested factions.
@@Phaedarus well just to add the “it has weathered the worst humankind has thrown at them and survived” By humankind don’t you mean itself?
And how can you call a society “the most advanced in the world” when they were so self centred to the point of not even wanting to hear about outside technological advances because their so “supreme”
@@nikarshadsulaiman9614 sounds exactly like American exceptionalism. Would you call the US the most advanced country in the world today?
Is water wet? Lol
If it made in China, you know it will break down if China was ever tested in a war. 😂
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In certain quarters, the word for a replica or a copy has been replaced with "China"...
03:09 Amazingly fast how modern vertically launched SAM missiles go from vertical to horizontal and accelerate after launch!
They have little side thrusters. Reaction thrusters, or reaction control systems in naval and space respectively. Not sure what they call it on missiles but same concept.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 vernier thrusters I think
For China, copying is an "art."
It is culture...
It is unfair for us though....
All is fair in love and war...
world is better without China
@@florisatolisoritonaro9597 The world is better without western Robber Barons.
@@florisatolisoritonaro9597 ROC is Real and free China and PRC is Fake China
World is better with a democratic and inventive China
( Pssh I wish )
They even Stole Russian Su-37 designs and possibaly the new Su-57 we could never know
And they claimed it was better than the orginal.
The biggest flaw in reverse engineering is that the reverse engineered product has not gone through to development cycle which include too much of research and development . For example in a screw every thread and metallurgy researched and designed specifically considering the final product. But this is missing in Reverse Engineered product thus when the final product encounters any problem then manufacturer is totally blank about why and how? For example engine thrust, if engine is expected to produce certain amount of thrust while it isn’t then manufacturer don’t know why it is so and how to fix. In case of Kaveri engine we have developed the engine but the metallurgy used in core and after burner we don’t know how to obtain that metal? Another example: if any Chinese reverse engineered fighter plane crashes then they can’t do root cause of crash and can’t fix that problem once in forever. And this is the biggest drawback of reverse engineering.
when you manage to get your hands on documents it does answer at least some of those questions, and china has gotten their hands on a lot.
They do have experience developing their own systems too. We (US) were actually developing plenty of hardware with the Chinese in the 80's. They've gone through the development process plenty.
Yeah, like exams and tests, yes you had the correct answer, but you didn't really know the process on how to finish it. But all o that becomes null once you have a blueprit or military manuals.
@@Gongolongo I read some story from the Russian side. In the J15 project, the only thing China need is the stress map for the su33 air frame, with its folding wings. and the Russians refused to sell, they wanted to sell the whole jets and the cost of restarting the production line. Therefore China bought two t10k from Ukraine and conducted all the test themselves. it is not like they don't know how to do it, it saves tremendous time and cost.
and Yes China conducted many joint ventures with west the jf17 was a join venture between US China and Pakistan initially.
it is called domesticaton of production, which India never understand. if you can't domestic the weapons your military uses, you gonna lose in the next war. It got nothing to do with "copy". India is decades away from be able to "copy" with its industrial capability it has at the moment. Ajun tank took india more than 30 years. lmfao.
The big question is are they improving on current technology. They have the ability to build a lot more for a lot less. So if their defense budget is 10% of the United States defense budget you can guarantee that they are building these things with a much higher degree of efficiency.
Thats honestly a very curious thing china infrastructure is having major problems as the mass construction programs lead too collapses and degradation quickly. So the question are chinease military production falling into this hole also?
China's GDP is about 65% of America's and you think their military budget is 10%? where as America's is 20%?
@@thecouncilofevil9446 Americans military budgets may look huge but it is only 5% of their GDP. If this was the cold war they would have spent more.
They can also get away with paying people nothing to produce their products.
@@phillipnunya6793 is that why the United States can't make its own tiny cellphone screws?
I want the whole world to avoid using Chinese no-guarantee goods...
the title should read: "Is China selling stolen designs of everything?"
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Copying is being practiced ever since. One Japanese optical company got its earliest products design from a German Optical Company in the 30's. Now its one of the biggest Japanese big companies. Somebody has to start from something and/or somebody else. But some Chinese company now outsourced from companies that are well-known for their trade such as electronics such as Taiwan.
Sir i have a question in this modern days, is Missile boat is steel effective ?🤔
I think in the end the ability to build the actual weapons won't matter, as China has a very large and diverse talent pool to choose from and R&D is a lot of just trial and error. Instead, I think it will come down to the years of experience in operating these weapons and vehicles that will make the difference. China has given itself a big foot up by stealing technology from both Russia and the US, but the equipment is only half of the equation
USA is innovative but rule no. of war is to make sure theres no possibility of defeat & to do every thing to stack the odds in your favour. Even is cheating is unnecessary u should do it to further increase ur odd(& only if it increases ur odds of victory).
While china can innovate, the western world will have the lead so instead chyna copies & steals wherever it can & Buys or innovates where it must. Take solar cells as an example. Theres a channel called economics explained he beautifully explains china's capabilities & part in the economic world. He's basically covert of economics.
Every country copy other's. US steal USSR's satelite and war machines.
They don't have good military leadership. It does not matter if you have the best tank in the world if you don't know how to properly utilize it. Plus by copying it they have given their enemies an advantage. Russia or US choose designed their weapons certain way to complement their doctrines. China has completely different doctrines than US and Russia. I don't think their leadership can adapt to any situation. They just throw their army like massive wave.
if china stop importing technology then the system will soon stall. in my opinion china is just using better part of the world to build their own industry and enhance their power. but challenge world order by force is a crazy idea, I think the whole structure will collapse on itself before it was completed
@@user-hv4ky5kt2x US did stole many USSR jets and machines. But they did not copy them. They use them as test subjects. To see how good US technology and machine is compare to USSR. Later US made better stuff in order to counter them. China is just outright copying it. They are not learning form it.
The everyone who thinks stealing military technology is wrong, remember 'all is fair in love and war'
So true, it is only OK if Americans do it...like spying and copying and stealing Russian technology during the cold war...LOL.
I felt bad for my russkiy comrades, their tech got stolen behind their back
I would like to talk to you about Germany. A country which is known for a its high quality industrial products. But it has not always been the case for Germany. When the industrial revolution was still kicking, France and England had serious headstart over Germany which showed in quality. The Germans knowing that they could never kickstart their own industry without first producing items of low quality decided to saturate the European markets with cheap low quality knock offs of British and French products. This led to protests from France and Britain who now had to reduce prices because of an over saturated market. Eventually they came up with a plan to distinguish between German made knock offs and their own products by making labeling of the producer country on top of the product. "MADE IN GERMANY" was to be seen on every product made in Germany so people in England would know they were cheap knock offs. It is fascinating to think that even today we continue the same practice and label country of origin on everything and it's because of Germany.
It is simply the way human technology evolves. Some Polish guy captured a Turkish gun in 17th century as war prize and improved upon it and the rest is history. Same with Japan. If you are willing to go back all the way I'm sure you could find some cavemen who decided rocks were no match for copper and copper no match for bronze etc. China isn't doing something new or outlandish. They look at history and learn, imitating as best they can and they are scary good at it. It is no wonder that markets are now saturated with cheap Chinese products bacause the title workshop of the world was theirs for more than a millenia before the industrial revolution.
Jeez the comments are a slugfest of national pride.
Weapon engineering brings the more passionate side of us out sometimes...
It's the design and shapes.
So do the lives and deaths of our countrymen which, in case you hadn't noticed, is exactly how China affects us.
@@reallyhappenings5597 my apologies to hear that, but I don't originate from the U.S.
I am interested in their technology though.
Of course this means that anything China makes is open for the world to take. I’m sure the PLA would understand.
I mean go for it -- China doesn't care
Then let’s do it
To be fair, China had to play catch up which the US and Russia didnt need to. More than anything, it was wise that they perfected the art of reverse engineering, and now theyre actually putting out original designs based on reversed engineered hardwares
Yes and no, I think some people underestimate the difference between truly designing something yourself, rather than taking somebody else’s design and modifying it in some way. They are two quite different processes that are really not all that compatible with each other. China is very good at the latter, but has shown shockingly little ability for the former, and I mean in any fields, not just military tech.
Think about it, despite being 20% of the world’s population and one of the most developed countries, how many truly unique and revolutionary inventions/ designs / products can you actually think of that have come out of modern China? ( I mean things like ‘THE mobile phone’, not ‘Huawei’s latest VERSION OF the mobile phone’ , and this is modern China we’re talking about, so don’t say things like ‘gunpowder’ or ‘paper money’ that are from centuries ago and therefore not a relevant indicator of current ability) I can think of very, very, few.
To put it in overly simplistic terms, when you are reverse engineering a finished product, you work out ‘how’ something is made, but you don’t get to see the ‘why’ it is made like that, because you didn’t go through the 99 unsuccessful iterations that went before. I think it was Thomas Edison who said “I lean more from my failures than I do from my successes.”
Can we see a video on the US Army Multidomain Task Force/Concept
Are you planning to release nebula original just like many other RUclipsrs? If yes I would love to buy curiosity stream subscription
that would be awsome, i hope he does
Yaa cause you are filthy
Most aren't
So he's better here
Its not stealing its just backhand rebranding
If its done without permission then its called stealing.
Stop trying to reword facts. It’s literally stolen and reverse engineered technologies.
Bruh stop trying to do the equivalent of saying illegal immigrants are “undocumented citizens”
@Andrés so is cheating on a test at school considered a tactical study method?
@Andrés and that’s probably why you failed the test!🤣
a good example is the russian TOR anti air system which got copied by the chinese after the russians refused to allow the chinese to produce it in license
They have damn near 2 billion ppl but yet can’t seem to fine ONE person who’s original? Wow smh
Staying out of war advancing in upgrades is the only good option
well Isolationist USA would disagree. True we won but sooner would've been better.
kinda hard to know how good a weapons system is without combat testing it though no?
Which is why I ask myself, who the fuck shared the blueprints of Nuclear bombs to China, was it US or Russia?? Now look what happened, US who helped the raped Giant that is China by the noisy Dwarf that is Japan, has returned the favor by being hostilic. Wonderful
@@iamachinesepetwholies5476 China developed its own nukes
Didn’t America copied a bunch of British naval technology? Like CIC, or steam catapult? Even diagonal landing zone on aircraft carriers?
Their rockets and jet engines are stolen from Nazi Germany.
An everything United States have they took
@@leejackcats-eye7132 just ask Native Americans.
I have seen entire data departments with nothing but Chinese in them, speaking Chinese in the office. If companies are that stupid then they get what they asked for.
Good video and info.
When you talk about Russian aircrafts, their names are pronounced as a word not as separate letters.