Honestly, I agree with the nerf. I've played Lady Zhen quite a lot, and I feel she's more of a utility mage than a damage one. She's still strong, but she's now more dependent on high-damage teammates. Though, a plus is that she's gonna need less gold, so she can give some of her minions to the jungler or farm lane to allow them to deal more damage. As I've said in the Diaochan video, she could still easily work with Diaochan, Guigizi, Marco Polo, and Ata, with Diaochan and Marco being the main damage dealers, and Lady Zhen running a semi-tank build.
Personally, i'd still place her on higher tier (like A- or even A) just because she's able to cast skills while moving. I mean, surviving stuffs like 7:00 and 10:00 while still dealing dmg and CC are pretty much impossible to do with other mages because they'll stop moving on each skill casts. This trait is probably what holds back mages like Frost, Zhou Yu, Shangguan, and especially Heino from being broken (could you imagine how stupid Heino would be if he could move while throwing Skill 1 ?). Sure, Lady Zhen's dmg is a lot worse now, but that'll mostly affect her 1v1 potential. Same goes for the weaker slow on ult. In teamfight, she's still the same menace that could singlehandedly ruin the enemy's team by continuously stunning, slowing, and dish out dmg with well-placed ult
They did nerf her pretty harshly and it did had that solo carry potential which is all gone now! She is good if your team is good!! Team fight hero now mostly!! My first ever main and now it's between A and B tier I will say!
After this nerf, she can only be picked in high ranks now because low ranks need damage to fight, but in high ranks she is still strong with the playstyle of controlling and roam lanes after all. Unless you best her, she still killed enemy in both ranks with a combo chain in 1vs1 (but skills must be hit: 3-2-1-1(break), 1-2-3-1(break), 3-1-2-1(break) yup skill issue and she has 3 items to do it so :)) )
She is still good, still is the top picked Mage in the Tournament and yeah her job is not dealing damage but crowd control and she still hurts with the new build full dmg
Dmg build only work good to her now enemy ban frost so i pick here they had augran and loong but i got mvp i played very safe most cc to loong and augran ofc 😂
I hope that the next one is about Huang Zhong. Luban kinda felt the same as usual to me, like, "oh no, he now needs 4 enhanced BA instead of 3 to kill his targets from full HP through early to late game, what a big nerf". HZ also felt the same, though it's more because i just don't know what unique trait that makes him different from other MM (although there was this one time i faced him and he combo-ed with Sun Ce's ult to become a mobile cannon, it was hilarious). He also has the same issue as Erin IMO where he just falls off too hard late game (at least from when i teamed up or facing him). So, hopefully Kyoui could shed some light on him
Heino brings me to Master and got nerf after that, Lady Zhen brings me to GM and they do the same thing to her now 😢 Princess frost ? Not like her, she cant cast the skills while moving like Lady Zhen
No, ultimate can easy to dodge by dash skill. Only unlucky people that can't dodge her skill 2. She's squishy and always become favorit target for assassin. If she get nerfed, she will become unplayable. Her ultimate is only way pushing enemy out from targeting her. Her passive shield only block small damage and she don't have skill to escape or immunity if compared to another mage like Nuwa (teleport), angela (shield and cc immunity), Shangguan & Yuhuan(immune), Xiao Qiao (speed buff), Zhou Yu & Gan Mo (knockback), Diaochan (dash) . She must treated like Gao, Milady, squishy mage with no escape skill but higher damage/big damage area to push out assassin targeting them
Its a shame that they nerf her bad. I now just farm and try to cc enemies in teamfights regardless if I kill them or not. She only does big dmg when she has most of her items :((
Yeah it's true just like you said developer just kicked her out of meta . Now you can't rotate with her through river you will be killed and you can't be aggressive and play her like a second support the whole match. She is just now a situational hero I totally agree with you after playing her myself and also seeing you Play her very passive 😢
I was able to try her in peak tournament (Coz I got assigned mid lane instead of the usual clash lane) and just tried going with how I used to and it's really noticeable. I was able to still get mvp and not die but I don't feel the same effect she had pre-nerf. Oh! And we also lost that game. FAST. 😆
That's going to hurt with Lady Shen, with the nerf now it seems she does notice. I think I'll keep playing with other magicians who are already applying cc and more v:
She is useless when enemy snowballing from early. Her damage can be ignored by lifesteal, shield or magic defense. I have used her when my team died so much. When I cast ultimate, the enemy ignored it and keep killing my team. Lady zhen still more annoying due crowd control
Honestly, I agree with the nerf.
I've played Lady Zhen quite a lot, and I feel she's more of a utility mage than a damage one. She's still strong, but she's now more dependent on high-damage teammates. Though, a plus is that she's gonna need less gold, so she can give some of her minions to the jungler or farm lane to allow them to deal more damage.
As I've said in the Diaochan video, she could still easily work with Diaochan, Guigizi, Marco Polo, and Ata, with Diaochan and Marco being the main damage dealers, and Lady Zhen running a semi-tank build.
I noticed the decrease in her dmg and yes it was disappointing but she's still playable and effective in teamfights.
Personally, i'd still place her on higher tier (like A- or even A) just because she's able to cast skills while moving. I mean, surviving stuffs like 7:00 and 10:00 while still dealing dmg and CC are pretty much impossible to do with other mages because they'll stop moving on each skill casts. This trait is probably what holds back mages like Frost, Zhou Yu, Shangguan, and especially Heino from being broken (could you imagine how stupid Heino would be if he could move while throwing Skill 1 ?).
Sure, Lady Zhen's dmg is a lot worse now, but that'll mostly affect her 1v1 potential. Same goes for the weaker slow on ult. In teamfight, she's still the same menace that could singlehandedly ruin the enemy's team by continuously stunning, slowing, and dish out dmg with well-placed ult
This. Even if nerfed, still winning with her. I just need to survive the early game and avoid duelling a lot. 😁
Yep, shes still super annoying on team fights
I still annoy the crap.out of teams with her. Heck I just finished a GM Ranked game on her with. 7-1-9 record in an 11 minute game.
My very first main that carried me to gm before i play heino. Look at how they masacared her
Ya she carried me to the gm
They did nerf her pretty harshly and it did had that solo carry potential which is all gone now! She is good if your team is good!! Team fight hero now mostly!! My first ever main and now it's between A and B tier I will say!
After this nerf, she can only be picked in high ranks now because low ranks need damage to fight, but in high ranks she is still strong with the playstyle of controlling and roam lanes after all.
Unless you best her, she still killed enemy in both ranks with a combo chain in 1vs1 (but skills must be hit: 3-2-1-1(break), 1-2-3-1(break), 3-1-2-1(break) yup skill issue and she has 3 items to do it so :)) )
she is a very strong control mage. but before, she could burst you down from afar. so nerfing her damage was a must.
Her AOV counterpart is Azzen'Ka, who nobody ever plays... Here they need to nerf her.
She is still good, still is the top picked Mage in the Tournament and yeah her job is not dealing damage but crowd control and she still hurts with the new build full dmg
Dmg build only work good to her now enemy ban frost so i pick here they had augran and loong but i got mvp i played very safe most cc to loong and augran ofc 😂
I'll guess the next video will be either Nerfed Luban No.7 or Buffed HZ
I hope that the next one is about Huang Zhong. Luban kinda felt the same as usual to me, like, "oh no, he now needs 4 enhanced BA instead of 3 to kill his targets from full HP through early to late game, what a big nerf".
HZ also felt the same, though it's more because i just don't know what unique trait that makes him different from other MM (although there was this one time i faced him and he combo-ed with Sun Ce's ult to become a mobile cannon, it was hilarious). He also has the same issue as Erin IMO where he just falls off too hard late game (at least from when i teamed up or facing him). So, hopefully Kyoui could shed some light on him
@@youagain8447 That Sun Ce and Huang Zhong pair is indeed hilarious and effective.
It's only his movement speed that has changed, that's it.
Let’s do a feedback with HOK regarding this nerf. If we do this together maybe they can buff her
They really killed her, from tier S till A till A- or B
Muito nerfada. Mas ainda o seu forte que é o controle continua ❤
Heino brings me to Master and got nerf after that, Lady Zhen brings me to GM and they do the same thing to her now 😢 Princess frost ? Not like her, she cant cast the skills while moving like Lady Zhen
Frost was the one who needed the nerf
I think she's fine as she is now
Her ult is fckin op
@@Morty_Mcfly2 skill issue :))
@LiliTour what are you talking about? Not everything is a dik measuring contest. It not required to go everywhere and shout "I have the largest dik"
No, ultimate can easy to dodge by dash skill. Only unlucky people that can't dodge her skill 2. She's squishy and always become favorit target for assassin. If she get nerfed, she will become unplayable. Her ultimate is only way pushing enemy out from targeting her. Her passive shield only block small damage and she don't have skill to escape or immunity if compared to another mage like Nuwa (teleport), angela (shield and cc immunity), Shangguan & Yuhuan(immune), Xiao Qiao (speed buff), Zhou Yu & Gan Mo (knockback), Diaochan (dash) . She must treated like Gao, Milady, squishy mage with no escape skill but higher damage/big damage area to push out assassin targeting them
Who's the best mid lane now?
shangguan mai
Please do allain next :)
Its really frustrating. Now im just grateful if i survive the teamfight and get assists. Dont waste time hope to get more kills.
Now i need more time to clear minions because of this, sigh
Its a shame that they nerf her bad. I now just farm and try to cc enemies in teamfights regardless if I kill them or not. She only does big dmg when she has most of her items :((
who can play with me ?
Who's responsible for this adjustment and why
China server lol
Yeah it's true just like you said developer just kicked her out of meta .
Now you can't rotate with her through river you will be killed and you can't be aggressive and play her like a second support the whole match.
She is just now a situational hero I totally agree with you after playing her myself and also seeing you Play her very passive 😢
I was able to try her in peak tournament (Coz I got assigned mid lane instead of the usual clash lane) and just tried going with how I used to and it's really noticeable.
I was able to still get mvp and not die but I don't feel the same effect she had pre-nerf.
Oh! And we also lost that game. FAST. 😆
That's going to hurt with Lady Shen, with the nerf now it seems she does notice.
I think I'll keep playing with other magicians who are already applying cc and more v:
Can we nerf frost now ?
Aint no way they turned her into a full team fighter when 80% of the time your time is straight garbage.
Azzen kah is cooler anyway man if she was him I would play her
Princess frost or milady.
Frost
Bro they removed hook and crook mode😢
they will return it again
since some of the game modes are just event
Sad. -now they should do the same thing to princess frost-
Frost is way more annoying than her
No not forst 😢
The recent Frost on Global Server is already bad. No need to nerf her more.
Bad? She is counter for many characters has great DMG to tank s tier mage bad? Lady Zhen great cc but frost for both cc DMG @@dwiatmasecarvianto1971
She is useless when enemy snowballing from early. Her damage can be ignored by lifesteal, shield or magic defense. I have used her when my team died so much. When I cast ultimate, the enemy ignored it and keep killing my team. Lady zhen still more annoying due crowd control
Azzenka aov ulti has knockback, zhen just suck now
But his S1 doesn't linger and allow his S2 to bounce off it.
3rd
Whats your body count?
what?