And uh... interior? Exterior? My brother just put $50k into putting a Coyote into a 48 Ford truck. Is it something I would do? No. I bought a 2015 M4 for $55k heh. Same here - I guess if you love these crappy Camaros go nuts but this is not a well handling, good looking or well appointed (My god look at that Chevy plastic all around at 2:26! hahah that thing SUCKS to just be in).
Paul Carmi Yes and No. What would normally be a Misd. can be charged as a Felony if serious injury or property damage results from the sideshow. (IE. Spectator is hit/ vehicle or public property) or if there are any DUI elements involved in the sideshow. Please don’t take Matt Farrah as a credible source for VC or PC lol.
They maybe unloved, but when sounding like this one with a nice set of wheels, and the best colour is easily black, they look quite timeless. For me... while they are not your classic Comaro look, I still like them.
@darksidedavid That's not true, if you have a WS6 or SS they actually handle rather well. I own a 02 WS6 and also a 97 miata with basic suspension mods, I haven't tracked or autocross either just very spirit driving but the only thing the Miata does better in my experience is back and forth transitions like in a quick S turn and real sharp turns like taking a 90 degree or sharper right turn onto a side street. My Trans Am actually holds more speed through a long sweeper (high way on ramp) than the Miata surprisingly. Only mods to my T/A are bilstein shocks on stock springs and hawk brake pads. Just to be clear not saying the TA handles like a miata there is certainly a weight difference you can feel but they can certainly handle and better than most expect.
darksidedavid so all you’re saying is that you have no idea how to drive. A 3400 pound car is NOT heavy, and it’s a rwd car with a lot of horsepower... DUH it’s gonna oversteer if you huck it into tight corners... From factory in the 90’s they pulled almost 1g on the skid pad... for a stock 90’s love axle car, that’s AMAZING. Add some proper coil overs and some adjustable arms and they’re absolute monsters. Another thing, at this point, many of these cars are 20+ years old... stock suspension bushings are probably worn out so that’s probably part of the reason you think yours drives so bad... I hate to break it to you, but if a well balanced, wishbone suspension, higher hp car “handles terrible” then there’s clearly either one of two issues. Either you’re a shit driver or the car is worn out🤷♂️ Mine handles great, and I have no issues at all
Try driving an S chassis.. between the steering wheel wabble and the squeaks it's amazing that they didn't just come from the factory with a gutted interior.
My 96 had a squeak was driving me INSANE! It was the spare tire came loose, the tire was rubbing on metal... lol so much joy the day I figured that out!
You have to warm up to a car you've never driven. Finding limits in the first 2 minutes is a good way to buy a crinkled car. This thing carried mega speed. - ZK
I love 4th gens (had 6 of them) but considering one can buy a 4th gen for less than what this IRS costs, not including installation, Heidts is crazy. Gimme a C5 or C6 IRS conversion so that if I need a replacement part I can run down to Autozone and pick it up. Or just get Koni shocks, Strano springs and sways, a Watts link then go corner carving.
I"ve got koni's, BMR springs and a handful of other BMR stuff with Nitto NT05 275/315 tires on my formula and the grip is enormous. My car weighs 3385 with me in it and stock power is adequate on east Tennessee mountain roads. I doubt Heidts will sell many, but I think they might have the easiest bolt in solution for IRS in an F-body. If I was looking for a pure handling car I'd probably skip an F-body for a C5 though some people prefer the F-body and those are the people this is marketed for I believe
Agreed an IRS is totally unneeded on a Fbody. An IRS is the most overrated handling improving suspension component ever. Is a IRS a better design for higher handling limits than a SRA? Sure it has certain advantages, but at the same time the SLA front setup on a GEN4 is a better/superior suspension design than a strut setup that 95% of other cars are running today. Plus the big ass shock towers (yes a GEN4 uses 4 shocks instead of struts up front) to house the UCA's is why it's so tight under the hood, and also why mounting a 315 up front is no problem. My Maximum Motorsports'ed up and solid bushing IRS 03 Cobra isn't the handler my 02 SS with Koni SA shocks, BMR springs, Hellwig sways, MWC SFC's, Founders LCA's/LCA relocators/PHB. Still people like to claim that Foxbody/SN95 cars where better handling cars than GEN3 and 4 Fbodys and that is a false narrative and just not the case. And I love those platforms, have had several and still own a 88 GT and 03 Cobra. Still they are build on a much weaker chassis with a worse F/R weight distribution and a suspension design that's not even close to the suspension design of a Fbody and especially a GEN4's with its SLA front setup. Think about it the GEN4's SLA/3 link design is what most all serious SRA Mustang (even S197 cars) RR teams copy if their leagues rules allow it. About the only real redesign on the GEN4 to the suspension that's worthwhile to upgrade is to change from the PHB (which BTW isn't a bad design) to a Watts link. I mean you can use better components like LCA's, or tubular front setup, but the basic geometry is good as is. Fbodies are very good at putting power down on the exit of a turn and having the power rotate the nose around with the quickness. Some negatives are the stock seats don't offer much support for cornering and the steering wheel feels like GM took it out of a bus with its overly large diameter and thin grip. I just wish there was an easy way to use a C6 (or similar GM) steeringwheel while keeping the steeringwheel controls and the airbag. I think one reason why people who try and hate on a GEN4's handling do so because maybe they rode in a stock one or test drove one, and they realized that the car has a lot of body roll and feels kind of floaty so they claim that Fbodys suck at handling to make up for their car being slower than a Fbody. At least that's ow we use to do it when I was strickly a Ford guy to try and pick back at my Fbody friends. IMO stock GEN4's are very undersprung cars with too small of sway-bars, and unless you get a SLP car or 1LE you get the DelCrappo shocks which suck and wearout at around 30K miles and by now are worn out if someone is still running the factory DelCrappos. It almost seems like gave you the platform to build a great handling SRA car from its era, but used soft components to help prioritize ride quality more than a performance car should. A stock GEN4 rides almost as soft as Crown Vic.
@@JROC734 I 100% agree. Get rid of the soft bushings and get some KONI shocks and these cars will surprise you. The stock 98+ brakes work well with GOOD pads and rotors. I had tubular front control arms with heims and they didn't last on the street albeit they were designed for drag use. I went back with stock arms with poly bushings with a tube k member. I still have stock sways and no subframe connectors, but I did oust all rubber from the chassis. At FBO power I noticed no loss in 60 ft. times running M/T drag radials on a 15" drag pack going to konis. although with the worn out decarbons it would almost get some light under the front left while the koni would leave flat as a pancake even with rebound all the way down and no front sway. I also want to say that I think IRS is awesome, and the ultimate when it comes to handling so I'm not knocking the heidts IRS system at all, but you don't have to do a ton to make these cars handle as is.
wtf this and the new gens are ugly in my opinion the 1-3rd gens look more contemporary than these. 1972 z28 split bumper is the best looking to me, or a 1977 would be nice.
so happy i got my 02 z28 before these started getting popular again. people on craigslist in la are charging $10-14k for 4th gen camaros/trans ams now.
I’ve got a 96 I’m fixing up now. Just did a full exhaust last week with long tubes, off-road y pipe and magnaflow cat back. May eventually do an LS conversion but I’m thinking about just building a tough LT1 based 383 stroker. Everyone is doing the LS stuff so I want to buck the trend. The LT1 was no slouch itself.
Had a 96 WS6 Firebird Formula with the LT1, car handled extremely well for it's day with 275 PSS on each corner. Car's power was also seemingly underrated, kept up or beat a lot of cars it shouldn't have including the LS1 2000's version of the car, and a 1991 Testarossa.
With low production numbers (500ish Formula WS6 and 500 Firehawks), I think the SLP cars will be collectible someday. Wish I still had the car, with its color combo and drive train (6spd) it was 1:17 for it's year.
I still own my 1998 Z28 with t-tops after buying it back in 2001 and it still runs as strong as the day I bought it. I got it with the rally sport package with the ground effects included, which I think made the car look a bit sharper than in it's natural stock appearance. I'll admit that in stock form, the 98 - 01 models look a bit boring. But I think the after market front grilles, pro-beam headlights, SS or Z style aftermarket hoods, rear spoilers, and ground effects can turn it into a timeless looking car, which looks nothing like a catfish. So much so that I've taken my car to car shows that I've had a few people not even realize it's a Camaro at first glance. My point being that the various aftermarket external mods can vastly improve the look of the car. Performance wise, my car still runs low 12's at the drag strip after all of these years with only adding long tube headers, an SLP exhaust, 3:90 rear end gears, Street Fighter Torque Converter, and 102 mm intake manifold and throttle body. Wish I had time and money for a head and cam package, but married with children now.
If you're trying to uncatfish your catfish may I suggest you convert it to the older sharkface. The LT1 front end is closer to the original concept design of the car. You can get headlight covers from GT Styling. It'll go from Chrysler Sebring to Supra MK4 for $250.
@@AmirGTR I like the look of the 93 - 97 model front fascia, but I'm happy with my aftermarket grille, air induction hood, and pro beam headlights. Definitely a major upgrade from the stock appearance. It looks timeless now.
@@stephensmith8316 Bet it does! Seen some really good ones over the years. more aggressive looking than mine for sure. I think I like the sharkface because I'm a closet JDM boy
I love the fourth gens. I have a 96 Camaro z28. I like the pre 98 when they had the square headlights. They handle pretty well from the factory so I bet this setup really carves the corners.
I'm 15 now and i was given a 99 Camaro Z28 with the LS1 which i prefer over the square headlights in my opinion but yeah, what a fantastic car and even it's little flaws are really nothing to me or my dad
I daily drive a 4th gen with a lightly cammed and worked ls1 in it for 3 years. They’re great fast and cheap daily’s, could get 28 mpg highway easily chugging along in 6th. Plenty of tire smoking power when you need it. I miss it.
My 4th gen firebird was the first care I bought with my own money. I still miss it sometimes. Once in awhile I still browse online for Trans Ams. They have such a unique look.
Seeing that interior, mixed with a healthy engine sound... i can imagine the windows rolled down and some crisp fall air... takes me back to when I had one in high school
Funny story about GM interiors in the 90s. The build quality was so poor, GMs designers started designing-in rounded corners and purposely large panel gaps to disguise that the workers refused to do a good job.
Oh look, a Camaro you can actually SEE out of! :p The 4th gen is awesome, especially the late 4th gen Camaro from 98+ the front end looks awesome! Kind of looks like those talking clay animated cars Chevron used in some of their TV commercials, yet it also evokes the early split bumper 2nd gen and modernizes it. And the best part of the Camaro is the T-tops, which is the reason you buy a Camaro in the first place.
I think i like the looks of the earlier 4th gen camaros more, BUT, these 4th gen F-Body Camaros always have a huge amount of potential waiting to be unlocked, and i'm glad to see that they're finally getting the respect that they deserve
Awesome review I love these cars 👌👏🏼. My brother ordered a brand new 97 Camaro SS back in 96 and we put 40k on it in 2 years including driving to Vancouver from Toronto and back. We have 8mm vids of coming back from the u.s. route including the last year Montana had no speed limit ! I’ve had 2 4th gens an 01 z28 stripper (no options except z rated tires which removed the speed limiter) hardtop, cloth seats and roll up windows ! Later sold that for an 02 som hardtop SS m6 I imported from Cali. Sold that car when I had my second child because a double stroller wouldn’t fit and picked up an e46 M3 (03.5). The difference in refinement was extreme.. but the sound and joys from the 4th gen were lost. True modern day muscle. Happy to see the aftermarket support the 4th gen and first I’ve heard of a bolt in irs 👏🏼👏🏼. This car may be the first piece of evidence to support the argument that in fact it may be possible to polish a turd 💩 !!
@@bbc454nos I didn't say that. I still think it SOUNDS perfect...The TONE I mean. A lot of V8 exhausts sound metallic and harsh, and this car has none of that. That was my point. No need to get all Captain Sarcastic on me. :)
4th gens are by far the best f body, the only one that came with an LS, i love mine someday ill find a way to afford this IRS system lol. great video!!
@@DickVanNiggz if you set your suspension up properly you wont get wheel hop.. the point would be to have a proper well handling car, the solid rear axle is the main limiting factor in the suspension, they already have great suspension up front. if i was doing nothing but drag racing in a straight line sure, but i like to do more than that with my cars.
me too. I had a 2001 cammed, long tube, Trans-Am. with 100 shot of nitrous. I had a lot of fun and that car! Him revving the motor made me miss it! but driving my Lexus RCF am reminded of how far we've come in technology. Oh memories. But if I was going to buy a car from that era it would be a Corvette.
I was 21 years old when this generation of Camaro came out . At that time I was driving a 1977 Camaro . The last year that Camaro's came with chrome bumpers .
I have always loved this design. I love the look of a 50cal bullet! This car stock is very fast. 1st to 2nd gear shifts can be dangerous if not in a straight line. I am not kidding! That is with the auto of course. Totally under rated car in stock trim. Fast as heck !! Not sure what this kid has done to his.. Looks like a lot of power mods making this car even more dangerous! I would love to have it !!
A lot of problems were ironed out with 4th gens that 3rd gens had problems with, interiors were better, climate control units, rack an pinion steering, free floating brake rotors, stiffer suspension, it was over all a better vehicle.
the v6 chassis is the same, they can be found for $100-$300 for jsut the rolling chassis,but I got one for $500 fully functioning runs great as is lol, Im gonna save up and see what I can swap into it, the sky is the limit with these cars. to say they are cheap is an understatement, fun car in both forms v6 and v8.
Great video! I still own my 2001 SS, and have a bunch of BMR suspension parts, Strano Bilsteins, and Eibach lowering springs...it boogies on switch backs and twisty roads, I think for the money expense, an IRS is wasted money unless you are doing top tier pro-touring extreme auto-x type stuff....
When i grew up my mom had a 3rd gen rs and dad had a 4th gen z28. I loved the 4th gen. And now that i got older and fell in love with 88-91 hondas. I keep wanting to build a 3rd gen. I keep begging my mom for her 3rd gen that just sat in the garage for the last 20 years lol.
I had a black 4th gen, it was a base model without any options other than T-tops, 3800 and 5-speed. Even the V6 was too much power for the chassis, lol. Amazing how far the development of the chassis has come.
I have the same exact car.2000 SS with built LS1 with beefed up 6 speed and beefed up rear end with stainless steel headers and 3 inch exhaust with borla catback and 500hp.Same exact wheels and everything except mine has led taillights.This one has nicer paint than mine though.
cool video guys ...& having had a 4th gen camaro with a few well chosen suspension mods, & now the owner of a pristine 4th gen 98 formula firebird, with almost every brake/suspension/chassis modification done to it, i can attest to the fact that these cars will suprise most folks as to what they are capable of in the corners... everybody raves about the ls engines, & yes, i to love my ls1, but the suspension on these cars are far superior to any of the other previous f-bodys, & ive had several.... even stock they weren't all that bad... but give a look at what guys like sam strano (strano performance) have done to & with these platforms... very impressive for the price-point! ...& just for the record... i Do Not have a Mullet! ...i shave my head... (haha) thanx for a great vidoes guys, i enjoyed it... now, to go look at the heidts website... see what kinda stuff i might not have yet... i may need to start a "go-fund-my-i.r.s." account?!? (haha)
Nice Still nice and light no irs Easy nine inch differential swap. Good suspension for the dragstrip and handling. And an easy ls swap and they look awesome.
I left the 4th gen. F-body scene after 05-06 LS2 GTO debut and thought I'd move up in the natural progression of car design. I had 1 LT1 and 2 LS1. Nice to see the aftermarket infused new technology into these. I bet for about $35k (excluding the car) in horsepower and suspension you can have an extremely capable high power corner carver. I'd go with a built LS7 6spd. WS6 with all the latest street suspension goodies.
17:25 one of these turned up for $400 (96 v6, t5). I already am in the middle of restoring a 68, but I couldn't resist for that price (and condition). Oddly, the 68 is getting an LT1 (points and carb conv) out of a 95 z28 i found at pick-and-pull
Have a 2000 Z28. Love it. Getting a little bored with the speed right now because I don't have the money to make it quicker xD but. In time. It makes about 400 410 crank 340 345 to the wheels so as a daily almost perfect
Makes me miss my 4th gen for everything other then the interior and I had a 9in lol. I wonder if his ebrake pulls up ridiculously far like most 4th gen
Riccardo Right. A car with far more character than all of these other cars that have been on here nonstop that are the exact same with the exact same mods. Variety is nice to have. Now piss off you pretentious fuck.
I own a 500hp one I'm getting it ready to daily next spring when the salt is off the roads. Defiantly need to something cheap for a rear end, the guy took his 12bolt off the car and gave me a well used Turbo 350, going to see what I can do to get it refreshed and get a gear vendors.
Question, why would you bother with a TH350 and expensive Gear. Endorse OD, when you get a 700R4 or 200R? Both of those can be built to easily handle 500 hp....just a question...
As a 4th gen owner myself this company makes some great stuff but, when you start adding up the cost of their products to upgrade these fbodys it does not make sense ... if I were to go that route I would start with anther platform (older Corvette, BMW etc etc) drop in a ls motor and it would be wayyyyyy cheaper in the long run to achieve the same results ...
Hey how did you mount the steering wheel straight to the hub? I’ve tried this on my 4th gen and there’s not enough clearance in the hub for the horn to fit.
I'm probably getting killed for this, but I think the 4th gen Camaro's design looked neat.
How dare you like something others don't like!
You’re probably a 996 lover. How dare you have different opinions to the general population
I like their look but I'd take a 98-02 Trans-Am WS6 or a 96-98 Mustang Cobra over it
They look better than sn95 mustangs that’s for sure
Catfish ftw
It's not boring looking, it's clean looking. Something designers of the overstyled cars of today don't understand.
I always wanted a Firebird from this generation, with the crazy honeycomb tail-lights..
Awesome car.
“E92 with a V8, but compared to this it doesn’t have a V8” lmao.
A Truer statement could not have been made.
ralatorre9 LOL the exhaust alone has me like V8 bmw what? Who? Oh you ?
@@MrSupersaiyangoku e92 m3 with a proper exhaust sounds better than this, especially revving to 8400rpm
sasha ghovanlou It could rev to 11k rpm. It still makes 410hp and 290lb ft. tq @ 3700+ lbs. lol
@@R_Tower still way better than this F body had stock, so whats your point...... i was also replying to the guy talking about the "exhaust"
And uh... interior? Exterior? My brother just put $50k into putting a Coyote into a 48 Ford truck. Is it something I would do? No. I bought a 2015 M4 for $55k heh. Same here - I guess if you love these crappy Camaros go nuts but this is not a well handling, good looking or well appointed (My god look at that Chevy plastic all around at 2:26! hahah that thing SUCKS to just be in).
Perfect car to take to Compton and do donuts in the intersections.
Save the hair god damn it
#savethehair
Honestly, more people should go and just swing it... it’s bringing people together, there’s no racial barriers, just swing what you bring:)
@@paulcarmi8130 good...fuck all those section 8 bastards.............
Paul Carmi Yes and No. What would normally be a Misd. can be charged as a Felony if serious injury or property damage results from the sideshow. (IE. Spectator is hit/ vehicle or public property) or if there are any DUI elements involved in the sideshow.
Please don’t take Matt Farrah as a credible source for VC or PC lol.
These cars are starting to really get me.
Bud 215 drive one and take of the traction control I tel u for the money sure is a lot of fun
Bud 215 half the cars I’ve owned are f bodies, I can’t get enough of them lol currently daily driving as ws6
Then get one? You know you want too.
They maybe unloved, but when sounding like this one with a nice set of wheels, and the best colour is easily black, they look quite timeless.
For me... while they are not your classic Comaro look, I still like them.
These cars have no limits. Other than your wallet.
@darksidedavid That's not true, if you have a WS6 or SS they actually handle rather well. I own a 02 WS6 and also a 97 miata with basic suspension mods, I haven't tracked or autocross either just very spirit driving but the only thing the Miata does better in my experience is back and forth transitions like in a quick S turn and real sharp turns like taking a 90 degree or sharper right turn onto a side street. My Trans Am actually holds more speed through a long sweeper (high way on ramp) than the Miata surprisingly. Only mods to my T/A are bilstein shocks on stock springs and hawk brake pads. Just to be clear not saying the TA handles like a miata there is certainly a weight difference you can feel but they can certainly handle and better than most expect.
darksidedavid so all you’re saying is that you have no idea how to drive. A 3400 pound car is NOT heavy, and it’s a rwd car with a lot of horsepower... DUH it’s gonna oversteer if you huck it into tight corners...
From factory in the 90’s they pulled almost 1g on the skid pad... for a stock 90’s love axle car, that’s AMAZING. Add some proper coil overs and some adjustable arms and they’re absolute monsters.
Another thing, at this point, many of these cars are 20+ years old... stock suspension bushings are probably worn out so that’s probably part of the reason you think yours drives so bad... I hate to break it to you, but if a well balanced, wishbone suspension, higher hp car “handles terrible” then there’s clearly either one of two issues. Either you’re a shit driver or the car is worn out🤷♂️
Mine handles great, and I have no issues at all
@@zerohourdrift Did you reply to me? Because I'm pro Fbody and agree that they handle great.
biggboysouth nah meant for the other guy 😂
@darksidedavid you just aren't a driver
I couldn't remember what it was like to drive a fourth gen Camaro until I heard the squeaking in the background 5:58
John Mears my 2001 blazer door squeaks on turns 😂
#Fbodylife
Try driving an S chassis.. between the steering wheel wabble and the squeaks it's amazing that they didn't just come from the factory with a gutted interior.
My 96 had a squeak was driving me INSANE! It was the spare tire came loose, the tire was rubbing on metal... lol so much joy the day I figured that out!
Just part of the experience
I love me some catfish camaros.
Me too
4th Gen is not underrated at all. It's a brutal power machine
Finally he was pushing the car a bit.
Nice job carrying some good speed through those corners.
You have to warm up to a car you've never driven. Finding limits in the first 2 minutes is a good way to buy a crinkled car. This thing carried mega speed. - ZK
I love 4th gens (had 6 of them) but considering one can buy a 4th gen for less than what this IRS costs, not including installation, Heidts is crazy. Gimme a C5 or C6 IRS conversion so that if I need a replacement part I can run down to Autozone and pick it up. Or just get Koni shocks, Strano springs and sways, a Watts link then go corner carving.
This, I love my strano's and watts link. Same goes for brakes, newer gm brembos are basically bolt on.
why are you taking about the internal revenue service? Did they do a collab with chevy on the corvette?
I"ve got koni's, BMR springs and a handful of other BMR stuff with Nitto NT05 275/315 tires on my formula and the grip is enormous. My car weighs 3385 with me in it and stock power is adequate on east Tennessee mountain roads. I doubt Heidts will sell many, but I think they might have the easiest bolt in solution for IRS in an F-body. If I was looking for a pure handling car I'd probably skip an F-body for a C5 though some people prefer the F-body and those are the people this is marketed for I believe
Agreed an IRS is totally unneeded on a Fbody. An IRS is the most overrated handling improving suspension component ever. Is a IRS a better design for higher handling limits than a SRA? Sure it has certain advantages, but at the same time the SLA front setup on a GEN4 is a better/superior suspension design than a strut setup that 95% of other cars are running today. Plus the big ass shock towers (yes a GEN4 uses 4 shocks instead of struts up front) to house the UCA's is why it's so tight under the hood, and also why mounting a 315 up front is no problem.
My Maximum Motorsports'ed up and solid bushing IRS 03 Cobra isn't the handler my 02 SS with Koni SA shocks, BMR springs, Hellwig sways, MWC SFC's, Founders LCA's/LCA relocators/PHB. Still people like to claim that Foxbody/SN95 cars where better handling cars than GEN3 and 4 Fbodys and that is a false narrative and just not the case. And I love those platforms, have had several and still own a 88 GT and 03 Cobra. Still they are build on a much weaker chassis with a worse F/R weight distribution and a suspension design that's not even close to the suspension design of a Fbody and especially a GEN4's with its SLA front setup. Think about it the GEN4's SLA/3 link design is what most all serious SRA Mustang (even S197 cars) RR teams copy if their leagues rules allow it. About the only real redesign on the GEN4 to the suspension that's worthwhile to upgrade is to change from the PHB (which BTW isn't a bad design) to a Watts link. I mean you can use better components like LCA's, or tubular front setup, but the basic geometry is good as is. Fbodies are very good at putting power down on the exit of a turn and having the power rotate the nose around with the quickness.
Some negatives are the stock seats don't offer much support for cornering and the steering wheel feels like GM took it out of a bus with its overly large diameter and thin grip. I just wish there was an easy way to use a C6 (or similar GM) steeringwheel while keeping the steeringwheel controls and the airbag. I think one reason why people who try and hate on a GEN4's handling do so because maybe they rode in a stock one or test drove one, and they realized that the car has a lot of body roll and feels kind of floaty so they claim that Fbodys suck at handling to make up for their car being slower than a Fbody. At least that's ow we use to do it when I was strickly a Ford guy to try and pick back at my Fbody friends. IMO stock GEN4's are very undersprung cars with too small of sway-bars, and unless you get a SLP car or 1LE you get the DelCrappo shocks which suck and wearout at around 30K miles and by now are worn out if someone is still running the factory DelCrappos. It almost seems like gave you the platform to build a great handling SRA car from its era, but used soft components to help prioritize ride quality more than a performance car should. A stock GEN4 rides almost as soft as Crown Vic.
@@JROC734 I 100% agree. Get rid of the soft bushings and get some KONI shocks and these cars will surprise you. The stock 98+ brakes work well with GOOD pads and rotors. I had tubular front control arms with heims and they didn't last on the street albeit they were designed for drag use. I went back with stock arms with poly bushings with a tube k member. I still have stock sways and no subframe connectors, but I did oust all rubber from the chassis. At FBO power I noticed no loss in 60 ft. times running M/T drag radials on a 15" drag pack going to konis. although with the worn out decarbons it would almost get some light under the front left while the koni would leave flat as a pancake even with rebound all the way down and no front sway. I also want to say that I think IRS is awesome, and the ultimate when it comes to handling so I'm not knocking the heidts IRS system at all, but you don't have to do a ton to make these cars handle as is.
The exterior design is timeless compared to the new bulky boat like body.
wtf this and the new gens are ugly in my opinion
the 1-3rd gens look more contemporary than these. 1972 z28 split bumper is the best looking to me, or a 1977 would be nice.
ya timeless as in - they'll always be hideous
5th and 6th Gen will look great in 40 years
as the 1st Gen does today (and has for the past 50 years)
Paul Jeitler 5th and 6th gen are just copy+paste's of the first gens.
Ugly ones.
@@pauljeitler7678 yeah I hear ya no one likes that Pointy Ass body style !
That interior, though. Can't tell if it's a Camaro, a Grand Prix or a Sunfire.
Andrew Elias generic motor company
Ok change the record already...
Drives a modified Camaro, wears a Mazda T shirt. My kind of guy
Robert Rowley
A real FD guy at heart lol
Again, Zacks one takes are killing it. Turn the captions on just for the fly-bys, hilarious.
Glad someone saw that!
* BOULDERS FIGHTING LIONS *
Hahaha thank you for that
Mark twain meets grandi lol
The incredible hulk puking 😂
so happy i got my 02 z28 before these started getting popular again. people on craigslist in la are charging $10-14k for 4th gen camaros/trans ams now.
Bro these GM F-body cars have suprisingly decent turn-in stock. Lol at the "*Sound of boulders fighting lions*".
everything is nice with a ls
i picked up a 95 camaro super clean for $1400 , lining up go fast goodies now . i've heard of these cars being given away
I’ve got a 96 I’m fixing up now. Just did a full exhaust last week with long tubes, off-road y pipe and magnaflow cat back. May eventually do an LS conversion but I’m thinking about just building a tough LT1 based 383 stroker. Everyone is doing the LS stuff so I want to buck the trend. The LT1 was no slouch itself.
LS swapped a car that already had an LS in it😂😂 because 🇺🇸
Had a 96 WS6 Firebird Formula with the LT1, car handled extremely well for it's day with 275 PSS on each corner. Car's power was also seemingly underrated, kept up or beat a lot of cars it shouldn't have including the LS1 2000's version of the car, and a 1991 Testarossa.
I loved the look of that car as a kid. Still do. ZK
With low production numbers (500ish Formula WS6 and 500 Firehawks), I think the SLP cars will be collectible someday. Wish I still had the car, with its color combo and drive train (6spd) it was 1:17 for it's year.
PRAYFORMOJO I have a 97 WS6... way underrated
Love my 96 ws6
I still own my 1998 Z28 with t-tops after buying it back in 2001 and it still runs as strong as the day I bought it. I got it with the rally sport package with the ground effects included, which I think made the car look a bit sharper than in it's natural stock appearance. I'll admit that in stock form, the 98 - 01 models look a bit boring. But I think the after market front grilles, pro-beam headlights, SS or Z style aftermarket hoods, rear spoilers, and ground effects can turn it into a timeless looking car, which looks nothing like a catfish. So much so that I've taken my car to car shows that I've had a few people not even realize it's a Camaro at first glance. My point being that the various aftermarket external mods can vastly improve the look of the car.
Performance wise, my car still runs low 12's at the drag strip after all of these years with only adding long tube headers, an SLP exhaust, 3:90 rear end gears, Street Fighter Torque Converter, and 102 mm intake manifold and throttle body. Wish I had time and money for a head and cam package, but married with children now.
Sounds like a nice car man! I have heads and cam done to mine
If you're trying to uncatfish your catfish may I suggest you convert it to the older sharkface. The LT1 front end is closer to the original concept design of the car. You can get headlight covers from GT Styling. It'll go from Chrysler Sebring to Supra MK4 for $250.
@@AmirGTR I like the look of the 93 - 97 model front fascia, but I'm happy with my aftermarket grille, air induction hood, and pro beam headlights. Definitely a major upgrade from the stock appearance. It looks timeless now.
@@stephensmith8316 Bet it does! Seen some really good ones over the years. more aggressive looking than mine for sure. I think I like the sharkface because I'm a closet JDM boy
God. The LS and Hemi V8s have such an iconic, thick, american sound. Love it!
I love the fourth gens. I have a 96 Camaro z28. I like the pre 98 when they had the square headlights. They handle pretty well from the factory so I bet this setup really carves the corners.
I'm 15 now and i was given a 99 Camaro Z28 with the LS1 which i prefer over the square headlights in my opinion but yeah, what a fantastic car and even it's little flaws are really nothing to me or my dad
I daily drive a 4th gen with a lightly cammed and worked ls1 in it for 3 years. They’re great fast and cheap daily’s, could get 28 mpg highway easily chugging along in 6th. Plenty of tire smoking power when you need it. I miss it.
Same…I wanted another but they’re getting so expensive it makes more sense to find a c5 or early c6 (with a manual)
Except that 28 MPG drops to 12-13 real quick once you hit city traffic. Ask me how I know Lmao
My 4th gen firebird was the first care I bought with my own money. I still miss it sometimes. Once in awhile I still browse online for Trans Ams. They have such a unique look.
since they made a gillion of them it wont be hard to find for another 90 years.
Seeing that interior, mixed with a healthy engine sound... i can imagine the windows rolled down and some crisp fall air... takes me back to when I had one in high school
Funny story about GM interiors in the 90s. The build quality was so poor, GMs designers started designing-in rounded corners and purposely large panel gaps to disguise that the workers refused to do a good job.
The 4th generation camaros do look good,they were the bridge of the transition from the old school to new generation.They need more appreciation👍
Agreed 👍
Oh look, a Camaro you can actually SEE out of! :p
The 4th gen is awesome, especially the late 4th gen Camaro from 98+ the front end looks awesome! Kind of looks like those talking clay animated cars Chevron used in some of their TV commercials, yet it also evokes the early split bumper 2nd gen and modernizes it.
And the best part of the Camaro is the T-tops, which is the reason you buy a Camaro in the first place.
I think i like the looks of the earlier 4th gen camaros more, BUT, these 4th gen F-Body Camaros always have a huge amount of potential waiting to be unlocked, and i'm glad to see that they're finally getting the respect that they deserve
this makes me kinda miss my '98 V6 Camaro. wouldn't have had any of the money to do anything like this, but the potential was still there.
Awesome review I love these cars 👌👏🏼. My brother ordered a brand new 97 Camaro SS back in 96 and we put 40k on it in 2 years including driving to Vancouver from Toronto and back. We have 8mm vids of coming back from the u.s. route including the last year Montana had no speed limit ! I’ve had 2 4th gens an 01 z28 stripper (no options except z rated tires which removed the speed limiter) hardtop, cloth seats and roll up windows ! Later sold that for an 02 som hardtop SS m6 I imported from Cali. Sold that car when I had my second child because a double stroller wouldn’t fit and picked up an e46 M3 (03.5). The difference in refinement was extreme.. but the sound and joys from the 4th gen were lost. True modern day muscle.
Happy to see the aftermarket support the 4th gen and first I’ve heard of a bolt in irs 👏🏼👏🏼. This car may be the first piece of evidence to support the argument that in fact it may be possible to polish a turd 💩 !!
Exhaust sounds perfect. Might be a touch loud, but not too sharp or raspy. And has some nice beefy, V8 goodness.
So it's perfect but it's not. Got it. Excellent contribution.
@@bbc454nos I didn't say that. I still think it SOUNDS perfect...The TONE I mean. A lot of V8 exhausts sound metallic and harsh, and this car has none of that. That was my point. No need to get all Captain Sarcastic on me. :)
Diehard Mopar guy here but I LOVE these. Had a 3rd Gen (1992) for a minute in high school, nice lil GM cars.
4th gen Camaros are badass!! Also I think the 4th gen Camaros are one of the most awesome sounding Camaros ever to produce.
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They look like fighter jets and i love it
You're right!
Very soon these cars will be classic cars in the very near future so go and buy one while you still definitely can people
4th gens are by far the best f body, the only one that came with an LS, i love mine someday ill find a way to afford this IRS system lol. great video!!
Hack Squad Garage bilsteins all around heavy control arms and torque arm and your planted fast well with nice tires you’ll spend 15k maybe
Hack Squad Garage why so you can wheelhop on launch and break halfshafts? Save money and get an s60 or 12 bolt lol
@@DickVanNiggz if you set your suspension up properly you wont get wheel hop.. the point would be to have a proper well handling car, the solid rear axle is the main limiting factor in the suspension, they already have great suspension up front. if i was doing nothing but drag racing in a straight line sure, but i like to do more than that with my cars.
me too. I had a 2001 cammed, long tube, Trans-Am. with 100 shot of nitrous. I had a lot of fun and that car! Him revving the motor made me miss it! but driving my Lexus RCF am reminded of how far we've come in technology. Oh memories. But if I was going to buy a car from that era it would be a Corvette.
I was 21 years old when this generation of Camaro came out . At that time I was driving a 1977 Camaro . The last year that Camaro's came with chrome bumpers .
I have always loved this design. I love the look of a 50cal bullet! This car stock is very fast. 1st to 2nd gear shifts can be dangerous if not in a straight line. I am not kidding! That is with the auto of course. Totally under rated car in stock trim. Fast as heck !! Not sure what this kid has done to his.. Looks like a lot of power mods making this car even more dangerous! I would love to have it !!
grabir01 True story! Mines a beast thru 3rd... with 3 grand I would prolly die lol
Fast? These aren’t fast for shit man get with the times, my car makes over 500 wheel at ~3600 pounds and still feels like a slow piece of shit
@@X11CHASE Its because your POS has no torque. Get rid of your POS.
This generation was the best camaro ever made
A lot of problems were ironed out with 4th gens that 3rd gens had problems with, interiors were better, climate control units, rack an pinion steering, free floating brake rotors, stiffer suspension, it was over all a better vehicle.
@@NYPATRIOTBX still want one till this day
the v6 chassis is the same, they can be found for $100-$300 for jsut the rolling chassis,but I got one for $500 fully functioning runs great as is lol, Im gonna save up and see what I can swap into it, the sky is the limit with these cars. to say they are cheap is an understatement, fun car in both forms v6 and v8.
Great video! I still own my 2001 SS, and have a bunch of BMR suspension parts, Strano Bilsteins, and Eibach lowering springs...it boogies on switch backs and twisty roads, I think for the money expense, an IRS is wasted money unless you are doing top tier pro-touring extreme auto-x type stuff....
The captions are hilarious! *Sound of Boulders and Lions fighting* 🤣
Nice job, I always thought these were kinda weird but I want to drive one now
I love 3 gens, but 4gens are growing on me too
When i grew up my mom had a 3rd gen rs and dad had a 4th gen z28. I loved the 4th gen. And now that i got older and fell in love with 88-91 hondas. I keep wanting to build a 3rd gen. I keep begging my mom for her 3rd gen that just sat in the garage for the last 20 years lol.
Micaiah Flores same bro I just hate how the back looks
I had a black 4th gen, it was a base model without any options other than T-tops, 3800 and 5-speed. Even the V6 was too much power for the chassis, lol. Amazing how far the development of the chassis has come.
Lol, what? I have a cammed LS1 in mine with stock suspension, and it does fine.
I love 3 gens, but 4 gens are growing on me too
I have the same exact car.2000 SS with built LS1 with beefed up 6 speed and beefed up rear end with stainless steel headers and 3 inch exhaust with borla catback and 500hp.Same exact wheels and everything except mine has led taillights.This one has nicer paint than mine though.
Nice man! Sounds like a fun car
cool video guys ...& having had a 4th gen camaro with a few well chosen suspension mods, & now the owner of a pristine 4th gen 98 formula firebird, with almost every brake/suspension/chassis modification done to it, i can attest to the fact that these cars will suprise most folks as to what they are capable of in the corners... everybody raves about the ls engines, & yes, i to love my ls1, but the suspension on these cars are far superior to any of the other previous f-bodys, & ive had several.... even stock they weren't all that bad... but give a look at what guys like sam strano (strano performance) have done to & with these platforms... very impressive for the price-point! ...& just for the record... i Do Not have a Mullet! ...i shave my head... (haha) thanx for a great vidoes guys, i enjoyed it... now, to go look at the heidts website... see what kinda stuff i might not have yet... i may need to start a "go-fund-my-i.r.s." account?!? (haha)
Somewhere a bushing needs greased.
They should have got someone who knows how to show this cars full potential.
Good video Zack. It is time that you get the video audio quality right everytime and consistently though.
This is one of the only vids that I don’t watch a 2x speed bc the car sounds so damn good.
Nice
Still nice and light no irs
Easy nine inch differential swap.
Good suspension for the dragstrip and handling.
And an easy ls swap and they look awesome.
I left the 4th gen. F-body scene after 05-06 LS2 GTO debut and thought I'd move up in the natural progression of car design. I had 1 LT1 and 2 LS1. Nice to see the aftermarket infused new technology into these. I bet for about $35k (excluding the car) in horsepower and suspension you can have an extremely capable high power corner carver. I'd go with a built LS7 6spd. WS6 with all the latest street suspension goodies.
I had an 02 SS for 6 years, def miss that car
This is the noise V8s make in my head
That gen Camaro looks so slippery in the wind ain't it? Niiice
Love the car and set up, glad I didn't catch all the squeaks and rattles these 4th gens are notorious for 👍
The 4th gen Camaros are a awesome looking and performing car. With very few mods you can make these scream.
This makes me miss my 02 WS6, now that these are so cheap, I may end up with another 4th gen F-Body
i thought about it too, with them being so cheap but i really want a c6
@@steven-fury I hear you, I'd love a C6 project car
How were the late WS6s reliability wise? My 95 Camaro is a breakdown mobile, did you get rid of it because of that or just crashed it?
They have never been cheap unless high mileage or beat up.
@@springwoodslasher79 I hear what you're saying. I guess cheap is a relative term. IMHO, they are cheap for how much car you get.
17:25 one of these turned up for $400 (96 v6, t5). I already am in the middle of restoring a 68, but I couldn't resist for that price (and condition). Oddly, the 68 is getting an LT1 (points and carb conv) out of a 95 z28 i found at pick-and-pull
back when camaro's actually looked good. =/
It's my favorite Camaro body, I've had 3 of them.
Riccardo 4th gens are like strong coffee, you love it or hate it lol I love them
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Seaside Strangler I can’t disagree with ya there lol they all look kinda like a slipper lol
The newer ones look amazing.
Where you get that transmission and do you feel a difference from the normal t56 ?
I actually really like the 4th generation camaro.
Drinking a natty ice tall boy while watching this. Lolol
huricane > naty
Where o where can I find that strut tower brace??? Part number please 🙏🏼
"You should've worn your flannel today." LOL
Have a 2000 Z28. Love it. Getting a little bored with the speed right now because I don't have the money to make it quicker xD but. In time. It makes about 400 410 crank 340 345 to the wheels so as a daily almost perfect
Did you have to do any cutting to fit the 17x11 at the front?
I own a WS6... there fun af but... I REALLY need those handling mods lol!
Makes me miss my 4th gen for everything other then the interior and I had a 9in lol. I wonder if his ebrake pulls up ridiculously far like most 4th gen
Finally. Something that isn't a BMW or just another import on here.
Riccardo Right. A car with far more character than all of these other cars that have been on here nonstop that are the exact same with the exact same mods. Variety is nice to have. Now piss off you pretentious fuck.
you can get this generation camaro for quite cheap considering power vs price and is a good entry level used sports car.
At least you can SEE out of this Camaro and it gives you a real trunk
Exactly 👍
I drove one of these once - I still remember how the longazz door closes with a cheap clunk.
What streeing wheel setup are you using
Glorious Camaro music!
My 2000 Z28 has almost everything UMI makes for it (minus the K-member) its a slot car (with good rubber of course)
Joe DeSalvo how does it handle
A Camaro with good outward visibility.
So many people hate on this body. I fucking love it. Saving up for one. Happy it’s not crazy expensive!
Good luck man👍
That sound!!!
I need to buy one of these
I own a 500hp one I'm getting it ready to daily next spring when the salt is off the roads. Defiantly need to something cheap for a rear end, the guy took his 12bolt off the car and gave me a well used Turbo 350, going to see what I can do to get it refreshed and get a gear vendors.
Question, why would you bother with a TH350 and expensive Gear. Endorse OD, when you get a 700R4 or 200R? Both of those can be built to easily handle 500 hp....just a question...
the best camaro for me, without a doubt they underestimate it a lot, it's a pity because it's an excellent car and very nice
As a 4th gen owner myself this company makes some great stuff but, when you start adding up the cost of their products to upgrade these fbodys it does not make sense ... if I were to go that route I would start with anther platform (older Corvette, BMW etc etc) drop in a ls motor and it would be wayyyyyy cheaper in the long run to achieve the same results ...
How is there 315s all four corners with no rolled fenders in particular the rear
Hey how did you mount the steering wheel straight to the hub? I’ve tried this on my 4th gen and there’s not enough clearance in the hub for the horn to fit.
I ran a hub adapter on mine machined down a little to clear the wheel
Wish we had these in the uk
315's all around, anyone know what the wheels are? Offset?
Happy Halloween 🤘💀🤘
Looks cool
great one take as always
very nice car! love the 4th gens!
Sounds excellent