Debate: Cats vs Dogs, with Will Self and John Gray
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- It’s the issue that’s more divisive than Brexit, more polarising than politics. The world is full of animal lovers but we can’t agree on which pet is more worthy of our love - the loyal, obedient dog, or the inscrutable, capricious cat.
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Have to say I'm disappointed. I thought this was going to be an actual debate between a cat and a dog.
It wasn't? :P
I only realized that it's not half way through
Found the genius
Maybe next time?
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Oh man, I have 7 dogs and 4 cats. What am I doing here? They'll all kill me.
@@vishesh-fg1jd where do you live where you have room for all those critters?!?! 😳
How can you afford to feed them all?
Oh shoot did I miss the apples or oranges video? Maybe that was last week
Having numerous Cats and Dogs during my lifetime, I find the personality and demeanor to be the main question. Had destructive personalities in both. My favorites were 2 mild mannered cats. They followed me like a dog, waited for me to arrive home from work. In the last case they meowed in satisfaction and then went about their business. They required less maintenance. They sleep with us, wake us up like they have a biological clock. Love dogs also but getting older, cats are less maintenance, especially with the advent of “self cleaning” litter boxes. Also if you go on holiday, a cat can be left alone with dogs they need daily care.
Why does this have to be so polarizing? I say both😅
Cats are superior.
I've been saying since forever, if you're a "cat person" or a "dog person", you very clearly haven't taken enough effort to appreciate one or the other. Just because they are the two most popular domesticated house pets doesn't mean it needs to be a competition like Xbox vs Playstation.
No, Ms Reyna. You must choose... or they both die.
Reyna's choice.
Let's not forget the cat in Animal Farm who votes on both sides and then vanishes. Splendid.
So many things said here are not true, I've enjoyed many cats and many dogs, cats are just as loyal and devoted and dependent as dogs if you give them the same amount of attention dogs are often given. And a number of dogs I've ended up with or without have chosen other individuals to love and moved to other households according to their preference. This weird misunderstanding of cats and dogs is a desperate attempt of humans to project their fears and flaws on cats and all animals to different degrees. As dominant groups do to vulnerable groups all the time. As one of many examples european colonizers claimed indigenous Americans were 'brutal and ignorant and violent and unpredictable' what an accurate description of themselves. Lets examine ourselves as we seem to be incapable of 'seeing' other animals. And as our entire economy depends on exploiting animals we shouldn't be too surprised we are unable to see them with any accuracy. If you want to know about animals ask someone who doesn't eat them or use them for any self interested purpose and who has spent many many years living along side them without exploiting them in any way .. farmers and most academics don't fall into this category...then you might start to hear some truth about who other animals are..but don't hold your breath ..denigrating other species is a human pass time.
I think it all (or at least mostly) comes down to how the cat, dog or indeed any other animal is treated and regarded by their human owners/companions. If you are stand-offish with them, they will probably treat you them same and if you show them affection, they will respond in kind. It's about conditioning and behaviour in a group.
@@kiwitrainguy
yes thats been my experience with multiple species, misunderstanding and mischaracterizing other species and refusing to recognize their unique individual characters and preferences and reactions to their environment and the way they are treated but preferring to lump them into categories devised by our often willful ignorance of who they are, usually leads directly to neglect and deliberate or inadvertent abuse.
it drives me up the wall when humans start defining other species, our descriptions lack any humility, we don't even know and understand ourselves!
if you've ever read seventeenth century white slave owners descriptions of black people its frighteningly similar to humans descriptions of other species. Also similar to upper class English describing working class English not so long ago.
We choose not to try to understand who we exploit.
The mission statement of science by Francis Bacon in mid seventeenth century says it all...science is the accumulation of knowledge in order to dominate nature and other species..
This bizarre mischaracterization of humanities place in nature has created a culture of astounding ignorance and cruelty to other species.
Books or authors mentioned
-- J R Ackerley and his dog Queenie
-- Book My Dog Tulip
-- Derrida And naked with ?cat
-- the cat paradox in some philosophy book, by ?Wittgenstein
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Ludwig Witgenstein
You can rely on Will Self to take a seemingly flippant discourse and turn it into an intelligent intellectual humourfest.
I don't dislike cats, but I much prefer dogs. Dogs can be trained to perform many useful functions (search and rescue, drug detection to name just two) and will die to protect their humans. Cats are aloof and solitary by nature. To each his own.
This video is demeaning to cat and to dogs; how dare ignorant, prejudiced, no-nothing humans put down either species?
The MC is adorable in an intelligently engaging fashion.
We have a winner for "The Most Progressive Comment of the Day"
Cats vs Dogs... I take it business is slow..
Gray's book, Feline Philosophy, is actually really great
It was very blurry..
How is this even a debate? It's obviously CATS. 😻😻😜
I'm just bein' silly, I love all animals.. just happens to be easier to have kitties in my life.
I've always kissed my cats and stared into their eyes frequently often giving them the slow blink which puts them (and me)at their ease.
If you want another child sure get a dog. Firm pass. Only grown up felines in my house.
The hatred of cats is dangerous to cats we should as thoughtful and moral humans do all we can to disable this source of violence to animals that cannot defend themselves.
Until this conversation begins with the brutal honesty that our societies for millennia depend on exploiting all animals, including cats and therefore we need to examine ourselves before we can imagine we can see other exploited species with any accuracy.
Not forgetting Barbera Woodhouse.
So professional with the gamer headset lol
Dogs taste better than cats.
I live in Vietnam and can confirm that.
It would depend on their diet while they were alive.
The question is 'superiority of a species?' The question itself illustrates the deep sickness of our societies for millenia..malignant narcissism... sad and terrifying for all of us.
They explain how they don't agree with that, five minutes in. Perhaps the worse sickness is people only reading titles before expressing uninformed opinions?
Love Cats.
I think this channel needs to be renamed.
It's a tongue in cheek debate but Gray's book is actually very engaging
Jolly good fun.
I love both..righgt n ow,though, I have some dogs
Cue Jackson Galaxy.
A more interesting question is why do some humans hate or denigrate other animals? Cats or any other animal? This question wouldn't be very popular because so many of the self proclaimed intelligentsia hate and denigrate cats and other animals. The answer to this unpopular question would be embarrassing for everyone. Malignant narcissism. Not very intelligent and extremely dangerous and very destructive to all of our lives. Unfortunately its also normalized, invisible and pandered to by academia.
All creatures and plants have a place in the wider scheme of things.
Unexpected topic.
Grammar police "whom she lost" and this a writer?
Is John about to patronize a geisha?
Poetic elk 01
only6244 views.... this is a crime
oh how far you have fallen.
Dogs give, cats take ..... that’s the headline here... and can often reflect those who like one or the other .... dogs have emotional intelligence, cats could care less about your feelings / and dogs are actually useful members of society, unless anyone knows of seeing- eye (guide) cats
Your naïve comment just shows how much experience with cats you have. I've spent my entire life around both, and the idea that dogs give and cats take is beyond stupid. How do dogs give? In a social way? Do you think cats don't offer any kind of social giving? Have you never met an anti-social dog? Have you never met a cat who displays huge amount of affection?
The cat who lives with my father is a massively valued member of the family who brings a lot of happiness. They care massively about each other. The idea that one animal might be "better" than the other is a shallow debate to get involved in.
Dogs also take and cats also give. Your limited experience with cats (and possibly dogs) is showing. Cats also have emotional intelligence but they usually only show it to people that are worthy: you're clearly not. You're right that cats could care less but that's because you don't know English very well. If someone doesn't care at all, then they can't care less. If they care a little bit, then they "could care less". Capiche? That's a typical US American mistake.
Valuing a sentient being's worth on whether they are "useful" members of society is troubling. All sentient beings can be valuable members of society even if their only role is 'companion animal' of 'friend'. For many people, a companion animal is THE MOST useful member of society to them. You should enlighten yourself.
@@weirdunclebob Your comment accurately.summarised everything wrong with his.
Good grief
Enthusiastic elk 89
Unsubbed
This is a terrible disappointment. Too effete
Pitbulls are dangerous
Irresponsible dog owners are dangerous.
No, they're not - the owners are the problem.
Anyone who denies genetics play an important and essential part in a dog's behaviour and temperament is a fool. Genetics play just as much importance if not more in how an animal behaves and interacts with others and to dismiss that is anti-science
@@BlackCatNinja That's true, which is why it's important that owners are responsible.
With good training and decent treatment, no dog needs to be dangerous (unless it has mental problems, of course).
@@BlackCatNinja All dog species are man-made so those genetics were determined by humans in the first place, however haphazardly it was done.