Feel free to share any feedback you have on my review procedure (I'll use it to improve future content). Thanks for watching! Here are links to the products featured in the review if you'd like to learn more [Amazon Affiliate Links]: - Seatylock Mason: bit.ly/3GAa65O - Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Mini: geni.us/ihBh
@bikelockwiki New sub 😎👉 Feedback: Did you ever angle grind test the Seatylock U locks? Link? This Test is really a MUST for ALL locks as its the thiefs tool of choice bc its fast n compact and your vids will get 10x-100x more views! You have great info but no grinder tests?! The best lock vids have this test, I would have subbed to you a YEAR ago if you did. Btw another channel only reviewed it, but said he saw it cut in 1 minute 🤦♂ (no sub).
Just purchased the kryptonite mini and gives me a bit more peace leaving my bike out. I’d advise to use more than one security lock. These vids are needed now more than ever with the soaring gas prices and rise of commuters!! Thank you!🚲
Really appreciate your feedback Eric! I’m glad you found the video helpful, and agree that if you can afford more than one lock, it’s worth doubling up.
We need a simple, cheap universal bike registration system all new bikes for all countries. Thefts for resale accounts for most bike thefts. If it can't be easily sold even in one city/state/country from another that would dramatically reduce bike thefts. In the meantime, in my local small town I just use one gold rated U Lock. When I leave my bike in a more dangerous area I also carry a two metre Diamond rated chain lock. All together weigh nearly 8kg. Still no guarantee I know, but either the thieves will have to work for the bike or hopefully just move on to the next poor son or daughter oab's bike.
@@tconnolly9820 I totally agree. A world-wide registration platform would be ideal, but I only see this being possible as e-bikes become more advanced. For example, the company Pentalock are developing a bottom bracket that is installed in a bike during its manufacturing process, if the bike is then stolen, the bottom bracket locks and the bike can't be pedalled again, and the bottom bracket can't be removed. Once this sort of technology is incorporated by big bicycle manufacturers i think we'll have more chance of dettering bike thieves. This won't stop them though, as most thieves simply break bikes down and sell them for parts, which they'd still be able to do with a Pentalock fitted bike. To summarise, the more you can do to protect your bike, the better. Lock components with Hexlox, register it on BikeRegister or BikeIndex and use multiple locks to secure it.
@@bikelockwiki I hadn't heard of Hexlox before so that's something interesting to know about. This is going to be a fairly lengthy reply so here goes.... Universal MANDATORY registration on an online registry of all new bikes at time of purchase by officially registered dealers or retailers with the matching registration engraved clearly and IRREMOVABLY into a clearly visible part of the bike frame before it leaves the shop is the only way in my opinion to dramatically reduce organised bicycle theft. Anyone at anytime checking the bike can see the engraved id on the bike and can check the registration on the website. But to protect the privacy of the owner, all it will display to the public is the bike details; make, model, colour, manufacturers serial number and whether or not it is stolen. And ONLY police can flag it as being stolen after being officially reported to avoid any potential malicious manipulation of the service. If anyone is buying a second hand bike it only takes a minute or two to check online if it's stolen or not so there's no excuse for anyone to be in possession of a stolen bike. Ideally, heavy mandatory fines should be imposed for anyone in possession of a stolen bike. Even if they bought it. There should be no excuses of innocence. I still think this would shut down the stolen bike market almost entirely. Never 100% I realise but the vast majority at least. For expensive bikes that have premium parts, I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to also get these parts engraved individually with the same registration ID and have them logged online too. This would probably incur an additional charge per item but if your bike is worth a lot, it would be a very worthwhile thing to do. And of course as you mentioned, every electric bike is by default a more valuable bike and immediately more in danger of being stolen. This would work just as well for electric bikes and especially for the batteries. My own bike cost less than £400. I know of someone spending £12,000 on a custom carbon bike. His pedals probably cost more than my entire bike. The reason for engraving is that the registration will be embedded into the metal/carbon or whatever and unlike a plate or a sticker, it can't be removed or altered without causing visible damage to the bike frame or part. If can't be easily sold, it won't be worth stealing. And anyone, anywhere can check the registration of any bike or part at anytime in a minute on their phone. They just won't see any personal details of the owners. If the bike (or seperate parts) are sold or gifted to another owner then the original owner needs to go to a registered retailer with proof of identity and change the ownership details. Another huge problem is that although about half of all stolen bicycles are eventually recovered by the police or local authorities, only about 5% of them are actually returned to their owners. This would make proof of ownership and the return of every recovered bike almost immediate. Setting up a registration website in every country is very cheap. The biggest outlay for retailers is for an engraving device but that's a one off investment. The cost of the initial engraving on the frame would be included in the retail price of the bike because it would be mandatory. Each additional part such as wheels, handlebars and anything else would be an additional charge. There are privately operated for profit bike registration schemes such as you mentioned which only use the bikes description and the manufacturers serial number but these are only partially effective, voluntary and usually requires a substantial annual subscription. This is the concise and shortened version of my idea. I came up with this idea a few months after an attempt to steal my own pretty cheap bike and I can't understand why something simple like this hasn't been organised and done before. And this would be an ideal and easily implementable system on a European wide basis. Or even globally. We all know that bikes are regularly stolen in one country to be sold in another. This would almost entirely stop this. It's simple, very cheap to implement and would do more to encourage general cycling and commuting than almost anything else in my opinion.Any additional thoughts or advice would be welcomed. And finally because I mentioned using one myself, NEVER EVER wear a chain lock around your body for transportation. If you are involved in an accident or crash it could lead to causing additional seriously aggravated injuries, especially to your spine.JUST DON'T!
@@tconnolly9820 It's definetely a great idea, and if implemented properly it would definitely decrease the value of stolen bikes within the countries/continents that bought into the deal and made this a legal requirement for bike manufacturers. Would this drastically reduce bike theft or simply shift the exportation of bikes to the next highest bidder that wasn't part of the scheme. Also would be incredibly hard for manufacturers whose components are produced in many different factories. The logistics behind making sure each wheelset teamed up with the corresponding frame and every other component would be a nightmare and I'd imagine getting that to a point where this was possible, would drastically increase the retail value of many bikes. On top of this we have to ask the question, do bicycle manufacturers really want their bikes to be theft-proof? I'm simply playing devils advocate here, but can fully understand how this idea could work. Personally however I feel like the Pentalock or a similar electronic bicycle security product is a more likely alternative.
Thanks for the video. I was unaware of the seaty lock. I just bought the kryptonite chain lock but want an additional U lock plus alarm for extra protection. I'm even thinking up a creation where if the bike wheel is moved it will set off a mechanism that will either squirt a dye or even acid in the thieves face(I would just have to remember to deactivate it when I'm about to ride the bike)
No problem, glad you found it helpful! I admire your passion for preventing theft, but would strongly advise against any the use or creation of a mechanism designed to injure or cause harm to thieves. By doing so you could wind up in a court case.
Its better to make a mechanism of 2 inch sharp spear under seat entering thieves butt. If this thing will be thin enought, it wont cause serious injuries but thieves won't be able to drive your bike
It's very illegal to have a mechanism that sprays chemicals into the face of someone as described here in the US. Boobytrap laws are well litigated and iron clad, and the victim of a boobytrap being in the act of commiting a crime has never worked as a defense, especially in property crime.
In my limited experience with lovks it seems to me no lovk is grinder proof just a matter of how long, not weather it will go through. Especially with a diamond tipped wheel. Good luck lock.
May as well use rubber bands strung together. Cable is so easily cut with a small hand shear it isn’t worth the effort to carry and deploy it. Get a light chain for components. At least that requires a small bolt cutter or a noisy fifteen second grind. Cable is an invitation.
Thanks for the review. The Seatylock seems like a good option, light and smart-looking. I would've loved to see how they both fare against an angle grinder and whether the Seatylock still puts up a good fight!
I’m glad you found it helpful! Against an angle grinder neither of these locks would last much longer than a minute. The Fahgettaboudit would last slightly longer, but neither will beat an angle grinder. I’ve put together a review of several “uncuttable” locks on my website. Check it out if you’re interested.
Recently watched another review of bike locks, in which they used an angle grinder, only one lock (it cost£250) lasted longer than a couple of minutes. My girlfriend recently lost the keys to her bike lock, I borrowed a battery angle grinder, and was shocked how easily and quickly it cut a fairly decent "D lock"
@@panchomcsporran2083 that’s the hiplok d1000, isn’t it?! I think it’s the only one that would make me feel safe, but it’s just so massive and heavy (and expensive!)… i think insurance might be the way to go
@@panchomcsporran2083 I think you're talking about the Hiplok D1000, definitely a good lock, but If you're interested in uncuttable bike locks I'd check also out the Litelok X.
Thanks! Both of these locks could be cut in a minute using an angle grinder. However, due to its reduced thickness (13.75mm), the Mason would take slightly less time than the Fahgettaboudit (18mm). I've published an article on my website covering several "Uncuttable" bike locks if you're interested!
@@canobenitez Most likely the Seatylock Mason, otherwise the ABUS 54 mini is another lightweight alternative that'd be almost impossible to cut by hand with the biggest bolt cutters.
Might be heavier and cost more, but i bet the krypto would last longer against a battery operated cutter. I use a krypto fah mini on my scooter as it is gold M/C rated too where the other is not.
Considering it uses a thicker 18mm shackle, I'd agree. That said, the difference taken to cut either of these locks with a grinder will be marginal. Maybe 10-20 seconds.
Good idea. Would obviously increase the retail price of the product. Have you seen locks like the Litelok X1 which use ceremic encrusted armouring to defeat grinders? Check out my review of the X1 here - www.bikelockwiki.com/litelok-x1-review/
XLNT Review! Personally, combine Bullox U-bolt that goes thru my pedal housing + 4ft Rottweiler armored cable. Plan on purchasing bike alarm, to further enhance "theft protection!" Worked too damned hard to just let some chronic to "Cut & Run!"
Would you say that these U-locks are better than chain locks such as the Kryptonite Evolution? Some of these chains (Kryptonite) are made of manganese steel. Abus has chains made of hardened steel, but not manganese. So I'm not sure if a 12KS Abus chain with a disc lock is best, the Kryptonite Evolution or one of these U-locks you featured.
The answers here depend on what you're locking, what you're locking to and what you need from your lock. The chains you mention will offer an increased number of locking methods, whereas the D locks in this review are small and might not work for all bike types, but would be harder to cut with bolt cutters than a 12mm chain.
@@Jose-sy1je I wouldn’t say U locks are harder to cut, but the size of the Fahgettaboudit Mini and the Seatylock Mason’s shackles make them very difficult to crop by hand. Whereas a 12mm chain is vulnerable to bigger bolt cutters.
Oh, the Hiplok would definitely beat either of these locks when it comes to an angle grinder test. But you could also buy nearly 5 Mason 140s for the same price as one Hiplok D1000.
@@bikelockwiki basic kryptonite.. my buddy mechanic at Trek bike shop said use his Dremel and the cutting wheel disc ..it's funny cuz I think lock brands are hype d up too much... Took like 5 10 minutes
Both of these could be cut with an angle grinder. If you're looking for a grinder-proof lock, you'll want the LITELOK X1 or the Hiplok D1000. I've reviewed the LITELOK X1 on my website, have a read!
@@bikelockwiki I forgot to ask how long would it take to cut both of them, I couldn't find those results anywhere, people need to make more videos on that.
@@joel3683 I will be soon, so stay tuned for that. There are many variables that will impact the total cutting time, ranging from the type of grinder you use, to the conditions you're cutting in (on street or in lab conditions). If cut in lab conditions using a vice neither of these locks will last over a minute. I'm yet to cut either of these in real world conditions, but be testing a wide range of locks shortly!
Thanks for letting me know! I'm currently studying locking mechanisms so that I'll be able to give a more detailed breakdown and better comparison on this in the near future. Great content btw, will keep up to date with your videos.
Drilling a keyhole on a moving target is not as easy as you make it out to be. The fact is that thieves simply aren't using drills to steal bikes on the street. Combination locks are often vulnerable to de-coding and can be decoded by touch a lot of the time, but there are a few that offer good protection. If combination locks were more secure than classic locking cores like the disc detainer or slider, we'd see more of them at the higher end of security rating categories such as Sold Secure Gold and Diamond.
It's almost like a war of attrition. The criminals are using tools that make a screaming racket or are huge and the cyclists are carrying locks that weigh a third as much as their bikes.
Crazy isn't it! There are several new locks that use "uncuttable" materials such as the Hiplok D1000 and the Altor SAF, that resist almost all forms of attack. Worth a look if you haven't heard of these already.
@@uncrunch398 Yep, my use of quotation marks around the word uncuttable here means "so called". Of course, with the right tools and enough time any material can be cut. Thanks for watching!
can't ventilate them, cops won't arrest them enough, the courts hardly hand-slap any that are caught... it's basically calculated gambles for bikers to just use their bikes in public. I feel the worst for kids.. I'll always feel the sting of a specialized MTB that was stolen only weeks after my father purchased it for me in 1990
They sent old gen lock instead of diamond one and ignore me more than a month. Terrible service and company. I feel cheated. I ordered 2 "World's Lightest Sold Secure Diamond U-Lock!" to get exactly a diamond lock with a red accent and seatylock inscription in large letters on it. But they sent me a previous generation instead, with a gold guard and a pentagon inscription. I'm disappointed with this as my goal was to get the latest lock with maximum security as promised on its website page and not the remnants of a previous generation. Now I have 2 old gen locks and support than ignores me for a long period of time.
It's really a pain. I decided to buy it after your review T__T. I live far away from USA, in Amsterdam. I paid an extra 50 bucks for delivery and got such a surprise... No, they just ignore me. I had a massage history with them but after I sent proofs and photos they didn't respond. I also would like to share with you proofs if you want.
@@yoshisata If you go to my website bikelockwiki.com and use the contact form to email me, I'll forward your issue to one of my contacts from Seatylock and attempt to resolve this issue for you.
If you can find it, aye personally have Bullox U-bolt lock + Rottweiler 8026 armoured cable lock. Plus, plan to add bike motion alarm to add extra level of theft protection! Worked too damned hard to just let some chronic w/bolt cutters and/or portable angle grinder just feel free to "Cut & Run!" Good Luck!
This is an older video that was produced before we had the facilities required to carry out full destruction testing. The Fahgettaboudit would take slightly longer to cut, due to its thicker shackle. I'd say it'd take 21 seconds per cut, with two cuts required. The Mason's shackle is thinner. I'd estimate it'd take 15 seconds per cut. Once these locks are featured in our testing again, we'll find out! Thanks for watching
@@bikelockwikiDid you ever angle grind test the Seatylock U locks? Link? This Test is really a MUST for ALL locks as its the thiefs tool of choice and your vids will get 10-100x more views! 👍Btw another channel only reviewed it but said he saw it cut in 1 minute 🤦
Feel free to share any feedback you have on my review procedure (I'll use it to improve future content). Thanks for watching!
Here are links to the products featured in the review if you'd like to learn more [Amazon Affiliate Links]:
- Seatylock Mason: bit.ly/3GAa65O
- Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Mini: geni.us/ihBh
@bikelockwiki New sub 😎👉 Feedback: Did you ever angle grind test the Seatylock U locks? Link? This Test is really a MUST for ALL locks as its the thiefs tool of choice bc its fast n compact and your vids will get 10x-100x more views! You have great info but no grinder tests?! The best lock vids have this test, I would have subbed to you a YEAR ago if you did. Btw another channel only reviewed it, but said he saw it cut in 1 minute 🤦♂ (no sub).
Just purchased the kryptonite mini and gives me a bit more peace leaving my bike out. I’d advise to use more than one security lock. These vids are needed now more than ever with the soaring gas prices and rise of commuters!! Thank you!🚲
Really appreciate your feedback Eric! I’m glad you found the video helpful, and agree that if you can afford more than one lock, it’s worth doubling up.
We need a simple, cheap universal bike registration system all new bikes for all countries. Thefts for resale accounts for most bike thefts.
If it can't be easily sold even in one city/state/country from another that would dramatically reduce bike thefts.
In the meantime, in my local small town I just use one gold rated U Lock.
When I leave my bike in a more dangerous area I also carry a two metre Diamond rated chain lock. All together weigh nearly 8kg.
Still no guarantee I know, but either the thieves will have to work for the bike or hopefully just move on to the next poor son or daughter oab's bike.
@@tconnolly9820 I totally agree. A world-wide registration platform would be ideal, but I only see this being possible as e-bikes become more advanced.
For example, the company Pentalock are developing a bottom bracket that is installed in a bike during its manufacturing process, if the bike is then stolen, the bottom bracket locks and the bike can't be pedalled again, and the bottom bracket can't be removed.
Once this sort of technology is incorporated by big bicycle manufacturers i think we'll have more chance of dettering bike thieves.
This won't stop them though, as most thieves simply break bikes down and sell them for parts, which they'd still be able to do with a Pentalock fitted bike.
To summarise, the more you can do to protect your bike, the better. Lock components with Hexlox, register it on BikeRegister or BikeIndex and use multiple locks to secure it.
@@bikelockwiki I hadn't heard of Hexlox before so that's something interesting to know about.
This is going to be a fairly lengthy reply so here goes....
Universal MANDATORY registration on an online registry of all new bikes at time of purchase by officially registered dealers or retailers with the matching registration engraved clearly and IRREMOVABLY into a clearly visible part of the bike frame before it leaves the shop is the only way in my opinion to dramatically reduce organised bicycle theft. Anyone at anytime checking the bike can see the engraved id on the bike and can check the registration on the website. But to protect the privacy of the owner, all it will display to the public is the bike details; make, model, colour, manufacturers serial number and whether or not it is stolen.
And ONLY police can flag it as being stolen after being officially reported to avoid any potential malicious manipulation of the service. If anyone is buying a second hand bike it only takes a minute or two to check online if it's stolen or not so there's no excuse for anyone to be in possession of a stolen bike. Ideally, heavy mandatory fines should be imposed for anyone in possession of a stolen bike. Even if they bought it. There should be no excuses of innocence. I still think this would shut down the stolen bike market almost entirely. Never 100% I realise but the vast majority at least. For expensive bikes that have premium parts, I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to also get these parts engraved individually with the same registration ID and have them logged online too. This would probably incur an additional charge per item but if your bike is worth a lot, it would be a very worthwhile thing to do. And of course as you mentioned, every electric bike is by default a more valuable bike and immediately more in danger of being stolen. This would work just as well for electric bikes and especially for the batteries.
My own bike cost less than £400. I know of someone spending £12,000 on a custom carbon bike. His pedals probably cost more than my entire bike.
The reason for engraving is that the registration will be embedded into the metal/carbon or whatever and unlike a plate or a sticker, it can't be removed or altered without causing visible damage to the bike frame or part.
If can't be easily sold, it won't be worth stealing. And anyone, anywhere can check the registration of any bike or part at anytime in a minute on their phone. They just won't see any personal details of the owners.
If the bike (or seperate parts) are sold or gifted to another owner then the original owner needs to go to a registered retailer with proof of identity and change the ownership details.
Another huge problem is that although about half of all stolen bicycles are eventually recovered by the police or local authorities, only about 5% of them are actually returned to their owners. This would make proof of ownership and the return of every recovered bike almost immediate.
Setting up a registration website in every country is very cheap. The biggest outlay for retailers is for an engraving device but that's a one off investment. The cost of the initial engraving on the frame would be included in the retail price of the bike because it would be mandatory. Each additional part such as wheels, handlebars and anything else would be an additional charge.
There are privately operated for profit bike registration schemes such as you mentioned which only use the bikes description and the manufacturers serial number but these are only partially effective, voluntary and usually requires a substantial annual subscription.
This is the concise and shortened version of my idea. I came up with this idea a few months after an attempt to steal my own pretty cheap bike and I can't understand why something simple like this hasn't been organised and done before. And this would be an ideal and easily implementable system on a European wide basis. Or even globally. We all know that bikes are regularly stolen in one country to be sold in another. This would almost entirely stop this. It's simple, very cheap to implement and would do more to encourage general cycling and commuting than almost anything else in my opinion.Any additional thoughts or advice would be welcomed.
And finally because I mentioned using one myself, NEVER EVER wear a chain lock around your body for transportation. If you are involved in an accident or crash it could lead to causing additional seriously aggravated injuries, especially to your spine.JUST DON'T!
@@tconnolly9820 It's definetely a great idea, and if implemented properly it would definitely decrease the value of stolen bikes within the countries/continents that bought into the deal and made this a legal requirement for bike manufacturers.
Would this drastically reduce bike theft or simply shift the exportation of bikes to the next highest bidder that wasn't part of the scheme.
Also would be incredibly hard for manufacturers whose components are produced in many different factories. The logistics behind making sure each wheelset teamed up with the corresponding frame and every other component would be a nightmare and I'd imagine getting that to a point where this was possible, would drastically increase the retail value of many bikes.
On top of this we have to ask the question, do bicycle manufacturers really want their bikes to be theft-proof?
I'm simply playing devils advocate here, but can fully understand how this idea could work.
Personally however I feel like the Pentalock or a similar electronic bicycle security product is a more likely alternative.
I'm interest in the two new competitors in bike locks. The Hiploc D1000 and the Liteloc X1. Love to see you perform a head to head angle grinder test.
Coming soon!
Litelok x3 says hello
Thanks for the video. I was unaware of the seaty lock. I just bought the kryptonite chain lock but want an additional U lock plus alarm for extra protection. I'm even thinking up a creation where if the bike wheel is moved it will set off a mechanism that will either squirt a dye or even acid in the thieves face(I would just have to remember to deactivate it when I'm about to ride the bike)
No problem, glad you found it helpful! I admire your passion for preventing theft, but would strongly advise against any the use or creation of a mechanism designed to injure or cause harm to thieves. By doing so you could wind up in a court case.
Please don’t do that mate! Admire the creativity I guess!
Its better to make a mechanism of 2 inch sharp spear under seat entering thieves butt. If this thing will be thin enought, it wont cause serious injuries but thieves won't be able to drive your bike
It's very illegal to have a mechanism that sprays chemicals into the face of someone as described here in the US. Boobytrap laws are well litigated and iron clad, and the victim of a boobytrap being in the act of commiting a crime has never worked as a defense, especially in property crime.
In my limited experience with lovks it seems to me no lovk is grinder proof just a matter of how long, not weather it will go through. Especially with a diamond tipped wheel. Good luck lock.
Diamond take 3 times as long then the average blade
The cable addition to the U lock is a great idea !!
Always worth securing additional components!
May as well use rubber bands strung together. Cable is so easily cut with a small hand shear it isn’t worth the effort to carry and deploy it. Get a light chain for components. At least that requires a small bolt cutter or a noisy fifteen second grind. Cable is an invitation.
Thanks for the review. The Seatylock seems like a good option, light and smart-looking. I would've loved to see how they both fare against an angle grinder and whether the Seatylock still puts up a good fight!
I’m glad you found it helpful! Against an angle grinder neither of these locks would last much longer than a minute. The Fahgettaboudit would last slightly longer, but neither will beat an angle grinder.
I’ve put together a review of several “uncuttable” locks on my website. Check it out if you’re interested.
Recently watched another review of bike locks, in which they used an angle grinder, only one lock (it cost£250) lasted longer than a couple of minutes.
My girlfriend recently lost the keys to her bike lock, I borrowed a battery angle grinder, and was shocked how easily and quickly it cut a fairly decent "D lock"
@@panchomcsporran2083 that’s the hiplok d1000, isn’t it?! I think it’s the only one that would make me feel safe, but it’s just so massive and heavy (and expensive!)… i think insurance might be the way to go
@@panchomcsporran2083 I think you're talking about the Hiplok D1000, definitely a good lock, but If you're interested in uncuttable bike locks I'd check also out the Litelok X.
Is that Mason the 140 or the 180? I like the weight of it, just wondering if if the 180 has enough clearance in central and outer london
140 and depends what sort of bike you’re locking. If it’s chunkier, the 180 will be a better choice :)
great review, im looking into the forgetaboutit lock
Thanks, several more reviews on the way shortly.
Make sure to check out the Litelok x1 and Hiplok D1000 if you’re interested in top-tier security.
Good video. I would like to see how long time an angel grinder it Will take to cut them open. But VERY GOOD vidro.
Love from CPH DK
Thanks!
Both of these locks could be cut in a minute using an angle grinder. However, due to its reduced thickness (13.75mm), the Mason would take slightly less time than the Fahgettaboudit (18mm).
I've published an article on my website covering several "Uncuttable" bike locks if you're interested!
@@bikelockwiki What would you consider is the lightest U lock that will need to be cut with a angle grinder?
@@canobenitez Most likely the Seatylock Mason, otherwise the ABUS 54 mini is another lightweight alternative that'd be almost impossible to cut by hand with the biggest bolt cutters.
@@bikelockwiki seatylock looks good! weights the half of the fogethaouddit and has the same rating. thanks!
is there a lock for the bracket for the seatylock? cant someone just go up to it and steal the lock?
Is the longer (LS) version of the nyf still 18mm
Is it just heavier as the downside
I believe the LS version is 16mm, if you're after the larger 18mm version it's the M18-WL.
Any other questions and I'll be happy to help!
A, good review of both locks but not enough to deter a few seconds with a cordless grinder.
Thanks--very useful information!
Thanks for watching!
Krytonight u lock should to have a blue tooth sensor that allows people to see on their smartphone if it is being tampered with.
Still waiting on a smart lock from Kryptonite. Wonder what their next release will be!
Might be heavier and cost more, but i bet the krypto would last longer against a battery operated cutter. I use a krypto fah mini on my scooter as it is gold M/C rated too where the other is not.
Considering it uses a thicker 18mm shackle, I'd agree.
That said, the difference taken to cut either of these locks with a grinder will be marginal. Maybe 10-20 seconds.
@@bikelockwiki not forgetting they need cutting twice to remove them though
Why don't they add some diamond coating so it is harder to cut with angle grinder
Good idea. Would obviously increase the retail price of the product. Have you seen locks like the Litelok X1 which use ceremic encrusted armouring to defeat grinders? Check out my review of the X1 here - www.bikelockwiki.com/litelok-x1-review/
Much appreciated bro 🫡
There needs to be more pressure put on local governments to track down and punish thieves
And pressure the Lock makers to INNOVATE like Litelok and Hiplok for less $! All other Ulocks are a joke to the grinder test 😆
Great review!
Thanks!
Forget-about-it - love the formal pronounciatoon hahah 😂
XLNT Review! Personally, combine Bullox U-bolt that goes thru my pedal housing + 4ft Rottweiler armored cable. Plan on purchasing bike alarm, to further enhance "theft protection!" Worked too damned hard to just let some chronic to "Cut & Run!"
Thanks! What made you choose the UBULLOX D lock?
@@bikelockwiki... Availability & $$$$.
@@harrymiram5562 Chec out the MasterLock 8278EURDPRO it's roughly half the price and has the Sold Secure Diamond rating, worth a look!
Would you say that these U-locks are better than chain locks such as the Kryptonite Evolution? Some of these chains (Kryptonite) are made of manganese steel. Abus has chains made of hardened steel, but not manganese. So I'm not sure if a 12KS Abus chain with a disc lock is best, the Kryptonite Evolution or one of these U-locks you featured.
The answers here depend on what you're locking, what you're locking to and what you need from your lock.
The chains you mention will offer an increased number of locking methods, whereas the D locks in this review are small and might not work for all bike types, but would be harder to cut with bolt cutters than a 12mm chain.
@@bikelockwiki So U-locks are actually harder to cut? I always thought they were easier to cut. That's interesting.
@@Jose-sy1je I wouldn’t say U locks are harder to cut, but the size of the Fahgettaboudit Mini and the Seatylock Mason’s shackles make them very difficult to crop by hand. Whereas a 12mm chain is vulnerable to bigger bolt cutters.
All kryptonite locks can be picked open, get yourself a seatylock pentagon pure looks sturdy and intimidating good enough for E-bikes.
Every bike lock can be picked open. In reality thieves aren’t picking locks on the street.
But yes, the Pentagon locks are great quality.
I went on there website. When will these be available?
The first shipment will be available on the US in 60 days, this is all I know at the moment. Will update this when I know more.
No angle grinder test?
Wasn't possible at the time unfortunately.
@@bikelockwiki ok
I think the Hiplok D1000 has these beat. Just much more bulky
Oh, the Hiplok would definitely beat either of these locks when it comes to an angle grinder test. But you could also buy nearly 5 Mason 140s for the same price as one Hiplok D1000.
I'd rather put up an extra £50 and buy 2x Litelok X1.
Dremel cutting wheel went through my u lock after I lost key
Shame the key was lost. Which lock were you using?
@@bikelockwiki basic kryptonite.. my buddy mechanic at Trek bike shop said use his Dremel and the cutting wheel disc ..it's funny cuz I think lock brands are hype d up too much...
Took like 5 10 minutes
Why not just buy two of the seaty then?
Different locks mean thieves would have to alter their attack method slightly. But sure, two Mason locks would be a great choice!
Doesn't the new york one only have a 6 outof 10
6 out of 10? Do you mean on the Kryptonite security scale?
Do you know how either of them would fare against an angle grinder? Just one of my main concerns
Both of these could be cut with an angle grinder. If you're looking for a grinder-proof lock, you'll want the LITELOK X1 or the Hiplok D1000. I've reviewed the LITELOK X1 on my website, have a read!
@@bikelockwiki Argh that's disappointing to hear but okay I'll give it a look thanks!
@@bikelockwiki I forgot to ask how long would it take to cut both of them, I couldn't find those results anywhere, people need to make more videos on that.
@@joel3683 I will be soon, so stay tuned for that.
There are many variables that will impact the total cutting time, ranging from the type of grinder you use, to the conditions you're cutting in (on street or in lab conditions).
If cut in lab conditions using a vice neither of these locks will last over a minute.
I'm yet to cut either of these in real world conditions, but be testing a wide range of locks shortly!
@@bikelockwiki Makes sense okay, But sure I will be looking out for your next video on that, thanks!:)
Seaty lock looks easier to pick in my opinion
Thanks for letting me know! I'm currently studying locking mechanisms so that I'll be able to give a more detailed breakdown and better comparison on this in the near future. Great content btw, will keep up to date with your videos.
Anyone can drill out a keyhole in 5 seconds with a cordless drill. Then, a screwdriver can unlock it. A combination lock is much more secure.
Drilling a keyhole on a moving target is not as easy as you make it out to be. The fact is that thieves simply aren't using drills to steal bikes on the street.
Combination locks are often vulnerable to de-coding and can be decoded by touch a lot of the time, but there are a few that offer good protection.
If combination locks were more secure than classic locking cores like the disc detainer or slider, we'd see more of them at the higher end of security rating categories such as Sold Secure Gold and Diamond.
It's almost like a war of attrition. The criminals are using tools that make a screaming racket or are huge and the cyclists are carrying locks that weigh a third as much as their bikes.
Crazy isn't it! There are several new locks that use "uncuttable" materials such as the Hiplok D1000 and the Altor SAF, that resist almost all forms of attack. Worth a look if you haven't heard of these already.
@@bikelockwiki The D1000 is cuttable. It just takes longer. And several disks.
@@uncrunch398 Yep, my use of quotation marks around the word uncuttable here means "so called".
Of course, with the right tools and enough time any material can be cut.
Thanks for watching!
@@bikelockwiki My bad.
can't ventilate them, cops won't arrest them enough, the courts hardly hand-slap any that are caught... it's basically calculated gambles for bikers to just use their bikes in public. I feel the worst for kids.. I'll always feel the sting of a specialized MTB that was stolen only weeks after my father purchased it for me in 1990
They sent old gen lock instead of diamond one and ignore me more than a month.
Terrible service and company. I feel cheated. I ordered 2 "World's Lightest Sold Secure Diamond U-Lock!" to get exactly a diamond lock with a red accent and seatylock inscription in large letters on it. But they sent me a previous generation instead, with a gold guard and a pentagon inscription. I'm disappointed with this as my goal was to get the latest lock with maximum security as promised on its website page and not the remnants of a previous generation. Now I have 2 old gen locks and support than ignores me for a long period of time.
Damn, that's not what I've come to expect from Seatylock. What a pain.
Have they agreed to replace the locks for you?
It's really a pain. I decided to buy it after your review T__T. I live far away from USA, in Amsterdam. I paid an extra 50 bucks for delivery and got such a surprise...
No, they just ignore me. I had a massage history with them but after I sent proofs and photos they didn't respond. I also would like to share with you proofs if you want.
@@yoshisata If you go to my website bikelockwiki.com and use the contact form to email me, I'll forward your issue to one of my contacts from Seatylock and attempt to resolve this issue for you.
@@bikelockwiki thank you. I will try!
If you can find it, aye personally have Bullox U-bolt lock + Rottweiler 8026 armoured cable lock. Plus, plan to add bike motion alarm to add extra level of theft protection! Worked too damned hard to just let some chronic w/bolt cutters and/or portable angle grinder just feel free to "Cut & Run!" Good Luck!
Pointless when not presented with an angle grinder attack.
This is an older video that was produced before we had the facilities required to carry out full destruction testing.
The Fahgettaboudit would take slightly longer to cut, due to its thicker shackle. I'd say it'd take 21 seconds per cut, with two cuts required.
The Mason's shackle is thinner. I'd estimate it'd take 15 seconds per cut.
Once these locks are featured in our testing again, we'll find out!
Thanks for watching
@@bikelockwikiDid you ever angle grind test the Seatylock U locks? Link? This Test is really a MUST for ALL locks as its the thiefs tool of choice and your vids will get 10-100x more views! 👍Btw another channel only reviewed it but said he saw it cut in 1 minute 🤦
Fuggabout it - Rust Magnet. Fugget It
I've had mine for over five years now and not a spot of rust. I'd recommend month cleaning and lubrication if it's not too late!