I'm listening to clips of the called back goal and a few things I noticed: 1. That is a really hard to notice call but... 2. The refs saw it right away and were blowing their whistles before the puck left Tavares's stick it wasn't stamkos flagging the refs they saw it immediately 3. The goal isn't scored without that interference because Cirelli was all over Tavares otherwise so the shooting lane wouldn't have been there
It's a bit like speeding cars on a highway, once in awhile one will get picked out and pulled over. It doesn't mean that all the other cars weren't speeding. Similar to hockey infractions you just cannot get all of them.
Sucks that goal gets called back, but honestly it was super obvious it wasn't going to count bc it directly led to a goal... the one that bothers me more than anything is the 2 man advantage in game six that cost us the game when they refused to call a good 5 straight penalties against Tampa right before that
Steve says new fans cant watch with these calls. As someone who had friends over for my birthday that ended up watching the game with a bunch of hockey first timers I can say he is wrong. They loved the tampa/lightning game and ended up watching both games the next day and are hooked. Casual fans love this stuff, its the modern hardcores who get upset
The fact that they won w out those players could be giving props to tampa. It could also be a slight to Toronto cause they couldn’t get the job done when the other team had major pieces essentially knocked out of the game
Its honestly sad how many Leafs fans are blaming the refs for this one. I get it. Blown call, but after ALL the failures this is what they’re leaning on? Smh
As a Caps fan that knows all to well crushing game 7 losses and now also can’t get out of the first round, you have to keep cycling the role players with younger talent until you hopefully strike gold and get a Paul or Smith-Pelly. A lot of times the top 6 is going to cancel each other out because World Class athletes on both sides are playing for their playoff lives. 2018 we had Burakovsky on the 3rd line (scores 2 huge goals in our game 7 against Tampa), Chandler Stevenson playing 4th line center and the previous mentioned Smith-Pelly coming out of the press box with 5 huge goals down the stretch run later rounds. Think you all have to give it one more run with the full core cycling out what you can on the bottom 6. You all played well enough to win and I thought you all should of won but just got puck lucked.
Adam saying “that isn’t a penalty in the playoffs ever” is the problem. If it’s a pick in the regular season it’s a pick in the playoffs. If it’s a hook in the regular season it’s a hook in the playoffs. Stop with the penalties shouldn’t be called in the playoffs.
the counter argument would be, well they haven't called it in the other games (which I highly doubt Adam, Steve and Jesse have watched all of the playoff games, so I'll take their opinion with a grain of salt) and they haven't called it in previous seasons, why should they call those penalties now?
*yawn* another NHL team loses. A fan says it is the official’s fault. Every NHL team, player and coach understands how the officials call games. The fans need to get with the program. Bad and inconsistent calls go both ways throughout the season and the playoffs. In the end, over long enough a sample size, the calls even out. Does it need to be improved in some way? Probably. What is your answer to a deeply systemic problem?
I was mad at the penalty call that resulted in the disallowed goal, but if tampa scores on the leafs with the same play then leaf fans are outraged. It had to be called. I know that tampa interfered prior to their first goal in game seven to some extent but it didn't directly lead to the goal. It didn't cause an odd man rush of any sort so what it really came down to was a bad bounce. It sucks for sure, but it's the right call.
I've been watching the NHL for 50 years. The way the refs have been doing their jobs over the last decade has made me want to stop watching this league. When players, coaches and commentators say they don't know the rules anymore, it's gotten pretty bad. When refs admit to make-up calls, it's gotten pretty bad.
The story depends on the viewpoint it's told from. For the Leafs it's another loss without a series win, but from the perspective of Tampa it's the biggest challenge they have had to overcome in their run so far. In their last 8 series they faced only a single elimination game, the Leafs got 2 out of them. Tampa rose to the challenge but you're talking about a team that in a months time might be nailed on as the greatest team of the salary cap era. That's no solace to the Leafs but in giving an objective analysis of the team you can argue they are better than this result at least seems, the problem is with the previous years where it was series and situations that the team should have been able to close out.
Biggest challenge we've had to over come? Ugh no buddy. Isles put up a better fight last year. Toronto played well but they were definitely not the toughest matchup Tampa's had in the last 3 years.
@@FloridaHockeyFan in a vacuum would I trust the Isles over the Maple Leafs? Definitely. There's been too many times where the Leafs have fallen flat and be default the Islanders have been far closer to success than Toronto. But when it's the question of what fight they put up against Tampa in a single series? The Leafs led the series 3 times, the same amount of times as those previous 8 series combined and all 3 were game 1 wins. No one else has ever managed to lead Tampa after game 2. Game 1 was also the biggest margin of victory anyone has had over them. 1 game 7 against the Isles and that was in a series where Tampa also had an 8-0 win and Tampa only faced elimination in that game 7, Leafs managed to make it 6 and 7. Tampa showed they could handle Toronto when they needed to but they've handled everyone else too so thats not really a knock on the Leafs. If you think the Isles were a tougher out I can definitely see your point, if you tallied the individual minutes and moments through the series it wouldn't surprise me if the Isles were scrapping with them better but Toronto undeniably managed to play up to them far more than the choker label would allow for.
The Leafs were by far the biggest challenge to Tampa since the start of the 2020 bubble playoffs. Yes, the Islanders took them seven games, but the eyeball test indicated there was never any doubt who was going to win those series. Plus, look at what happened to the Islanders this year: a major market correction.
@@brianshaughnessy4020 Tampa lost an entire line and several other key players following our 2nd cup win. The Isles took us to 7 games and absolutely battled us to the end. I will admit the Leafs challenged us all series long but were nowhere near as good as we were the past 2 seasons. With a reduced roster we still beat the Leafs.
By overpaying Tavares, Leafs put themselves in a situation in which they had to pay king's ransom to Marner and Matthews, because "Since I am better than Tavares I am also worth at least 11M". Otherwise they could have been signed for a little less than that (9M and 10 M maybe ?). Since Tavares is overpaid by at least 4M ( I am very generous here), that puts the Leaf with about 7 M handicap over other teams which makes it much harder to get a competitive bottom 6. It doesn't mean the Leafs can't go far in playoffs...it just means that as long as Tavares will be there, they will be at a disadvantage with their bottom 6 against other cup contender and there is no way around it.
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@@almVancouver Keefe only got hired in 2019! He's been the coach for just 2.5 seasons. I think it's fair that he would be allowed some time to learn on the job up to this point. I'm not convinced that any other coach would be better, but it's possible a fresh voice would help. But still ... this team had its best regular season ever. He deserves some credit for that.
@@JonathanAwesomeify i agree firing coaches is too easy... Dubas is the one that needs to go... why did he ever got tavares that never won anything at 11 millions a season. They would win if he would have sign a pietrangelo a top defensemen and thats the leafs problem... core 4 is all forwards... no money for a star defensemen... wheres the mybe not hedman but at least top 20 D in the league... ask yourself... who is their best D... Reilly i guess... his he top 30 in the league even... thats the problem of the leafs they got nothing awsome on D
@@JonathanAwesomeify Learn on the job? Are you kidding? He's coaching a Billion Dollar Sports Team. There is no learning on the job that should be going on. Maybe that's the issue right there?
It's funny listening to "HOMER" fans complain about penalties. I watched Giodano hold killorns stick multiple times. One of them was in front of the net and it kept Killorn from getting to the puck 1 ft away from the goalie. Giodano then proceeded to punch Killorn (killorn returned the punch) and no penalties were called. Steve Dangle was losing his mind screaming CALL IT CALL IT! to Killorns punch. Well buddy if they were calling everything they would of gave giodano 2 penalties to Killorns 1 and Tampa would of been on the powerplay again. It's crazy to say this but you kids need to learn to accept penalties are missed every game. Bad penalties are called almost every game as well. It's the human element. Either live with it or go watch tennis or something.
The Toronto Maple Leafs now hold the record for longest time between Championships at 54 years beating the New York Rangers who went 53 years before winning in 1994.
Cripes he set a pick that led directly to a goal, what do you expect the refs to do? Stop whining, seriously. At least David Ayers didn't dress for Tampa.
Did u guys watched game seven flames vs dallas... that was a determined to win effort from the home team... more then 60 shots for calgary... oilers vs kings same thing they played better and made more plays being at home... the leafs played good enough to not be run out of their house thats it... the leafs didnt look like the home team.
To be fair, the Lightning are orders of magnitude better than Dallas or LA. Sometimes it's not that you didn't play hard/well/determined, but that the other team is also elite. The Leafs were never going to get 60 shots against a team with Hedman and McDonough on the ice for 90% of the game.
@@JonathanAwesomeify i agree that tampa is better on paper then la or dallas but at home game 7 u have to dye on the ice trying... oilers did so did the flames. Leafs seem to know that they were going to lose...
@@JonathanAwesomeify and also im.sorry but the leafs are suppose to be a better team then the bolts this year by quite a lot... game 7 no Point and kucherov was injured too... lost because of 2 nick paul goals... is that acceptable to leafs nation... if it is u guys need to be jarder on your team... boo them for 10 games next season... show this team that u are not happy and will not accept mediocre effort
@@JonathanAwesomeify u know that this core group as a loosing mentality... how to change that i dont know... but thos core as a 2 years left to win before it crumbles... i dont think i will live to see them win
I am 100% not handing out moral victories with this Leafs team. They were up 3-2 in the series, they need to win one of the next 2, plain and simple. They are facing a Tampa team where Point isn’t playing, and Nick Paul ends their season? They are constantly billed as a team with elite high powered offense, but their big guns can’t get it done in the most important game of the season. The last 3 series deciding games and they’ve scored 2 goals total.
That series had NOTHING to do with The Leaf's play. They played amazing. This is between the ears. This is about fortitude. Mind-set. Everything Tampa has proven they have. TOR needs to find that. And don't get it twisted...who saw this coming from TAM AFTER they got swept by the Jackets a few years back!? A flip switched amongst the Lightning vets. Stammer, Kuch, Vasy, Palat, et. al. Something happened that PUSHED them to the next level. Whatever that was...TOR needs to find that.
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Things that cost the Leafs: 1. Simmonds / Clifford was a terrible call by Keefe in games 1 /2. 2. PP was a joke when it mattered most. 3. Unwillingness to crash the net / screen. 4. Unwillingness to put the puck on net. Score the ugly goal. 5. Not being to hold a lead in third. 6. Awful, undisciplined penalties. Going forward: 1. Need a shutdown D-man. 2. Need to move on from Kerfoot / Nylander. 3. Need to re-jig the fourth line. 4. Sorry but goodbye Spezza. 5. Clifford and Simmonds, goodbye (if possible). 6. Most important: the goalie conundrum. I say Campbell and Mrazek (yes, again). Have to hope for a major Mrazek bounceback.
Here’s my problem. If obstruction is isn’t being called until that point, you maintain that standard. They’re the pros. Set your own standard. Once your standard is set, it stays for the entire game. They broke their standard on that penalty.
I’m not saying if that goes according to the standard Toronto wins. I’d just like to have known if it would have changed anything. There’d been several times they’d ignored blatantly obvious penalties to that point.
Toronto has more pp's and they feel slighted. Then Adam blames Stamkos, Both teams live and die by how the reffing goes but these guy seem to think they got shafted by blatant pick play. Keep giving the players a reason to fail and you will see terrible results. When will they finally make the players be responsible? 55 yrs and counting!
how can the pick can be considered is and isn't a penalty.. by the rules book that is a penalty.. its black and white in this scenario.. not calling it regularly or choosing to not call it doesn't invalidate that its not a penalty.. blame ref game management.. or poor reffing..
Matthews hits from behind more than any other player in hockey , one day someone is gonna take him out for good!! Leafs lack 1 thing more than anything..... HEART ❤️❤️!!
It would be totally different if the Maple Leafs and their faithful didn't plan the Stanley Cup parade route every Sept.... but they do it every year ... they brought this on themselves
@@stug5041 ... maybe ... but that subset of Leafs fans are spread right across Canada... and since Matthews joined the team they have convinced themselves that they are the best in the world... but with the big 4 eating 40% of the cap and no bona-fide #1 goaltender.... they are gonna go thru this again next year
@@rockybalboa1847 they got jack Campbell who is a number 1 and let's not act like for 4 years this team isn't always top of standings. They have everything to be a cup team but the intangibles
@@hibiki8473 ... and with the cap hell they are in with the big 4 ... Campbell is gonna want a long term deal like the deal Ullmark got with the Bruins ... $5 million... plus they are gonna have too sucker another team to take Mrazek off their hands ... Dubas is gonna have a hard summer too make all this work
My problem with that Tavares goal being called back wasn't that it wasn't a penalty. It's the fact of how Tampa many times was allowed to to hold Toronto players from chasing a chipped in puck on the forcheck. In multiple games it would happen more then once that a Tampa player would alter the direction they were skating and push the Tornto player off balance as they tried going by, with no effort to turn and chase them, which is interference and with the same logic how could they call Justin holls change of course to cut Stamkos off a penalty, cause up until then all the interference penalties basically involved holding players in place. It just seems like to pivotal of a moment to change your stance on something like that.
Hmmm over rated and over paid this team was for repeatedly falling short every single year. Until they win a single round, they should never been in the same talk of contender again
Basically it is the maple jokes being the maple jokes they chocked again what’s new they will again next year and the next year and the next nothing will change with this joke of a team Go Canucks go
It was a penalty all day. Their power play tanked again, their bottom six got caved in by Tampas bottom six. And Matthews and the core wiff on yet another elimination game when they need a big goals.
I thought you guys have learned from previous years. Championship teams have learned to play defensive 2-1 games and Toronto Maple Leafs don't want to change their philosophy. I think it's time for Shanahan and Dubas to go. Finish 1st of the division and being unable to pass the first round on multiple occasions prove that this team has not the DNA of a Championship team. They built a good regular season team. Montreal would never accept such repetitive failures and then saying they're going into the right direction.
enough of the penalty talk. unfortunately its human beings calling quick penalties.they'll make mistakes. I would be in favour of reviewing penalties and high sticks. only way to get them right
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I'm listening to clips of the called back goal and a few things I noticed:
1. That is a really hard to notice call but...
2. The refs saw it right away and were blowing their whistles before the puck left Tavares's stick it wasn't stamkos flagging the refs they saw it immediately
3. The goal isn't scored without that interference because Cirelli was all over Tavares otherwise so the shooting lane wouldn't have been there
It's a bit like speeding cars on a highway, once in awhile one will get picked out and pulled over. It doesn't mean that all the other cars weren't speeding. Similar to hockey infractions you just cannot get all of them.
Sucks that goal gets called back, but honestly it was super obvious it wasn't going to count bc it directly led to a goal... the one that bothers me more than anything is the 2 man advantage in game six that cost us the game when they refused to call a good 5 straight penalties against Tampa right before that
it almost seems like bettman made the call for the refs to help tampa in G6
Auston Matthews has 0 goals and 2 assists in 4 elimination games. The sample size is enough to say they can't win with him.
Steve says new fans cant watch with these calls. As someone who had friends over for my birthday that ended up watching the game with a bunch of hockey first timers I can say he is wrong. They loved the tampa/lightning game and ended up watching both games the next day and are hooked.
Casual fans love this stuff, its the modern hardcores who get upset
The fact that they won w out those players could be giving props to tampa. It could also be a slight to Toronto cause they couldn’t get the job done when the other team had major pieces essentially knocked out of the game
Its honestly sad how many Leafs fans are blaming the refs for this one. I get it. Blown call, but after ALL the failures this is what they’re leaning on? Smh
As a Caps fan that knows all to well crushing game 7 losses and now also can’t get out of the first round, you have to keep cycling the role players with younger talent until you hopefully strike gold and get a Paul or Smith-Pelly. A lot of times the top 6 is going to cancel each other out because World Class athletes on both sides are playing for their playoff lives. 2018 we had Burakovsky on the 3rd line (scores 2 huge goals in our game 7 against Tampa), Chandler Stevenson playing 4th line center and the previous mentioned Smith-Pelly coming out of the press box with 5 huge goals down the stretch run later rounds. Think you all have to give it one more run with the full core cycling out what you can on the bottom 6. You all played well enough to win and I thought you all should of won but just got puck lucked.
Actual video starts at 01:04 btw
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Adam saying “that isn’t a penalty in the playoffs ever” is the problem. If it’s a pick in the regular season it’s a pick in the playoffs. If it’s a hook in the regular season it’s a hook in the playoffs. Stop with the penalties shouldn’t be called in the playoffs.
the counter argument would be, well they haven't called it in the other games (which I highly doubt Adam, Steve and Jesse have watched all of the playoff games, so I'll take their opinion with a grain of salt) and they haven't called it in previous seasons, why should they call those penalties now?
I am seeing more and more gambling adds. Do you guys know what you are doing, kids are watching!
At some point you have to overcome adversity in the playoffs, bad calls injuries, etc. Ongoing excuses aside, the Leafs cannot do that .
haven’t done that yet*
Bunting getting hit from behind into the boards in game 7, wasn't the standard for that a 5 minutes penalty + a 1 game suspension??? It's a joke.
*yawn* another NHL team loses. A fan says it is the official’s fault. Every NHL team, player and coach understands how the officials call games. The fans need to get with the program. Bad and inconsistent calls go both ways throughout the season and the playoffs. In the end, over long enough a sample size, the calls even out. Does it need to be improved in some way? Probably. What is your answer to a deeply systemic problem?
The Leafs have a legacy of failure, especially recently. Definitely the refs fault.
I was mad at the penalty call that resulted in the disallowed goal, but if tampa scores on the leafs with the same play then leaf fans are outraged. It had to be called. I know that tampa interfered prior to their first goal in game seven to some extent but it didn't directly lead to the goal. It didn't cause an odd man rush of any sort so what it really came down to was a bad bounce. It sucks for sure, but it's the right call.
I've been watching the NHL for 50 years. The way the refs have been doing their jobs over the last decade has made me want to stop watching this league. When players, coaches and commentators say they don't know the rules anymore, it's gotten pretty bad. When refs admit to make-up calls, it's gotten pretty bad.
Truth is that its always been like that... steve dangle said it best... there could be over 50 penalties in every nhl game...
Okay, stop watching then. Make a difference with your wallet, since that is about all you can do about it
The story depends on the viewpoint it's told from. For the Leafs it's another loss without a series win, but from the perspective of Tampa it's the biggest challenge they have had to overcome in their run so far. In their last 8 series they faced only a single elimination game, the Leafs got 2 out of them.
Tampa rose to the challenge but you're talking about a team that in a months time might be nailed on as the greatest team of the salary cap era.
That's no solace to the Leafs but in giving an objective analysis of the team you can argue they are better than this result at least seems, the problem is with the previous years where it was series and situations that the team should have been able to close out.
Biggest challenge we've had to over come? Ugh no buddy. Isles put up a better fight last year. Toronto played well but they were definitely not the toughest matchup Tampa's had in the last 3 years.
@@FloridaHockeyFan in a vacuum would I trust the Isles over the Maple Leafs? Definitely. There's been too many times where the Leafs have fallen flat and be default the Islanders have been far closer to success than Toronto.
But when it's the question of what fight they put up against Tampa in a single series? The Leafs led the series 3 times, the same amount of times as those previous 8 series combined and all 3 were game 1 wins. No one else has ever managed to lead Tampa after game 2. Game 1 was also the biggest margin of victory anyone has had over them.
1 game 7 against the Isles and that was in a series where Tampa also had an 8-0 win and Tampa only faced elimination in that game 7, Leafs managed to make it 6 and 7.
Tampa showed they could handle Toronto when they needed to but they've handled everyone else too so thats not really a knock on the Leafs. If you think the Isles were a tougher out I can definitely see your point, if you tallied the individual minutes and moments through the series it wouldn't surprise me if the Isles were scrapping with them better but Toronto undeniably managed to play up to them far more than the choker label would allow for.
Greatest team at surpassing the salary cap, that’s for sure
The Leafs were by far the biggest challenge to Tampa since the start of the 2020 bubble playoffs. Yes, the Islanders took them seven games, but the eyeball test indicated there was never any doubt who was going to win those series. Plus, look at what happened to the Islanders this year: a major market correction.
@@brianshaughnessy4020 Tampa lost an entire line and several other key players following our 2nd cup win. The Isles took us to 7 games and absolutely battled us to the end. I will admit the Leafs challenged us all series long but were nowhere near as good as we were the past 2 seasons. With a reduced roster we still beat the Leafs.
For the love of god make penalties challengeable or reviewable at least in the playoffs
I was watching it live and it took me probably 3-4 seconds before I realized it wasnt a goal. We didnt go to commercial break thankfully.
Its 100% a penalty like what are we talking about
At least there's no saltiness like losing to the Habs last year. And be thankful you didn't have to play a 98 mil Tampa team like the Habs did lol
During that tv timeout I completely shattered my tv remote by whipping it against the wall
By overpaying Tavares, Leafs put themselves in a situation in which they had to pay king's ransom to Marner and Matthews, because "Since I am better than Tavares I am also worth at least 11M". Otherwise they could have been signed for a little less than that (9M and 10 M maybe ?). Since Tavares is overpaid by at least 4M ( I am very generous here), that puts the Leaf with about 7 M handicap over other teams which makes it much harder to get a competitive bottom 6. It doesn't mean the Leafs can't go far in playoffs...it just means that as long as Tavares will be there, they will be at a disadvantage with their bottom 6 against other cup contender and there is no way around it.
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Time to move on from Keefe as a start. Trotz is available and is exactly what the organization needs to move past the first.
This is where I think the Leafs will fail as a management team. Dubas can't see through the trees when it comes to loyalty to Keefe.
@@almVancouver Keefe only got hired in 2019! He's been the coach for just 2.5 seasons. I think it's fair that he would be allowed some time to learn on the job up to this point. I'm not convinced that any other coach would be better, but it's possible a fresh voice would help. But still ... this team had its best regular season ever. He deserves some credit for that.
@@JonathanAwesomeify i agree firing coaches is too easy... Dubas is the one that needs to go... why did he ever got tavares that never won anything at 11 millions a season. They would win if he would have sign a pietrangelo a top defensemen and thats the leafs problem... core 4 is all forwards... no money for a star defensemen... wheres the mybe not hedman but at least top 20 D in the league... ask yourself... who is their best D... Reilly i guess... his he top 30 in the league even... thats the problem of the leafs they got nothing awsome on D
@@JonathanAwesomeify Learn on the job? Are you kidding? He's coaching a Billion Dollar Sports Team. There is no learning on the job that should be going on. Maybe that's the issue right there?
@@belledorris1973 Everyone knew Leafs needed a top D, and yep, Dubas went out and overpaid for Tavares.
It's funny listening to "HOMER" fans complain about penalties. I watched Giodano hold killorns stick multiple times. One of them was in front of the net and it kept Killorn from getting to the puck 1 ft away from the goalie. Giodano then proceeded to punch Killorn (killorn returned the punch) and no penalties were called. Steve Dangle was losing his mind screaming CALL IT CALL IT! to Killorns punch. Well buddy if they were calling everything they would of gave giodano 2 penalties to Killorns 1 and Tampa would of been on the powerplay again. It's crazy to say this but you kids need to learn to accept penalties are missed every game. Bad penalties are called almost every game as well. It's the human element. Either live with it or go watch tennis or something.
Agreed. The game is just too fast and too chaotic for the officiating to be perfect.
The Toronto Maple Leafs now hold the record for longest time between Championships at 54 years beating the New York Rangers who went 53 years before winning in 1994.
I believe the Rangers’ drought was considered 54 years, 1940 - 1994.
@@brianshaughnessy4020 they count it from the 40-41 season to 93-94
Cripes he set a pick that led directly to a goal, what do you expect the refs to do? Stop whining, seriously. At least David Ayers didn't dress for Tampa.
Did u guys watched game seven flames vs dallas... that was a determined to win effort from the home team... more then 60 shots for calgary... oilers vs kings same thing they played better and made more plays being at home... the leafs played good enough to not be run out of their house thats it... the leafs didnt look like the home team.
To be fair, the Lightning are orders of magnitude better than Dallas or LA. Sometimes it's not that you didn't play hard/well/determined, but that the other team is also elite. The Leafs were never going to get 60 shots against a team with Hedman and McDonough on the ice for 90% of the game.
@@JonathanAwesomeify i agree that tampa is better on paper then la or dallas but at home game 7 u have to dye on the ice trying... oilers did so did the flames. Leafs seem to know that they were going to lose...
@@JonathanAwesomeify and also im.sorry but the leafs are suppose to be a better team then the bolts this year by quite a lot... game 7 no Point and kucherov was injured too... lost because of 2 nick paul goals... is that acceptable to leafs nation... if it is u guys need to be jarder on your team... boo them for 10 games next season... show this team that u are not happy and will not accept mediocre effort
@@JonathanAwesomeify u know that this core group as a loosing mentality... how to change that i dont know... but thos core as a 2 years left to win before it crumbles... i dont think i will live to see them win
They also don’t get to pull that “well we played Tampa card.” Look who they lost to the last couple of seasons.
I am 100% not handing out moral victories with this Leafs team. They were up 3-2 in the series, they need to win one of the next 2, plain and simple. They are facing a Tampa team where Point isn’t playing, and Nick Paul ends their season?
They are constantly billed as a team with elite high powered offense, but their big guns can’t get it done in the most important game of the season. The last 3 series deciding games and they’ve scored 2 goals total.
That series had NOTHING to do with The Leaf's play. They played amazing. This is between the ears. This is about fortitude. Mind-set. Everything Tampa has proven they have. TOR needs to find that. And don't get it twisted...who saw this coming from TAM AFTER they got swept by the Jackets a few years back!? A flip switched amongst the Lightning vets. Stammer, Kuch, Vasy, Palat, et. al. Something happened that PUSHED them to the next level. Whatever that was...TOR needs to find that.
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Long time Leaf fan...45 years. I can't wait to watch them again come October.
For now, we wait. And we'll do it until it happens......why OVERLY stress.
Things that cost the Leafs:
1. Simmonds / Clifford was a terrible call by Keefe in games 1 /2.
2. PP was a joke when it mattered most.
3. Unwillingness to crash the net / screen.
4. Unwillingness to put the puck on net. Score the ugly goal.
5. Not being to hold a lead in third.
6. Awful, undisciplined penalties.
Going forward:
1. Need a shutdown D-man.
2. Need to move on from Kerfoot / Nylander.
3. Need to re-jig the fourth line.
4. Sorry but goodbye Spezza.
5. Clifford and Simmonds, goodbye (if possible).
6. Most important: the goalie conundrum. I say Campbell and Mrazek (yes, again). Have to hope for a major Mrazek bounceback.
Be happy it wasn't Chris Lee he would have called it a match penalty
Here’s my problem. If obstruction is isn’t being called until that point, you maintain that standard. They’re the pros. Set your own standard. Once your standard is set, it stays for the entire game. They broke their standard on that penalty.
I think the standard was "blatent penelty's" How many pp's does Toronto need to be the better team?
I’m not saying if that goes according to the standard Toronto wins. I’d just like to have known if it would have changed anything. There’d been several times they’d ignored blatantly obvious penalties to that point.
Third and fourth line need to be rejigged. Bye Micky, it was nice. Bye that guy we traded Kadri for.
These leafs fans are so full of it. It was a blatant penalty and the right call. Losers lose, deal with it.
Toronto has more pp's and they feel slighted. Then Adam blames Stamkos, Both teams live and die by how the reffing goes but these guy seem to think they got shafted by blatant pick play. Keep giving the players a reason to fail and you will see terrible results. When will they finally make the players be responsible? 55 yrs and counting!
how can the pick can be considered is and isn't a penalty.. by the rules book that is a penalty.. its black and white in this scenario.. not calling it regularly or choosing to not call it doesn't invalidate that its not a penalty.. blame ref game management.. or poor reffing..
Matthews hits from behind more than any other player in hockey , one day someone is gonna take him out for good!! Leafs lack 1 thing more than anything..... HEART ❤️❤️!!
Do you ever get tired of blaming the referees for losing?
1967
It would be totally different if the Maple Leafs and their faithful didn't plan the Stanley Cup parade route every Sept.... but they do it every year ... they brought this on themselves
I don’t think this stereotype is true. I think there’s a subset of fans, sure, but most are realistic. I think this is a myth haters tell themselves
@@stug5041 ... maybe ... but that subset of Leafs fans are spread right across Canada... and since Matthews joined the team they have convinced themselves that they are the best in the world... but with the big 4 eating 40% of the cap and no bona-fide #1 goaltender.... they are gonna go thru this again next year
@@rockybalboa1847 they got jack Campbell who is a number 1 and let's not act like for 4 years this team isn't always top of standings. They have everything to be a cup team but the intangibles
@@hibiki8473 ... and with the cap hell they are in with the big 4 ... Campbell is gonna want a long term deal like the deal Ullmark got with the Bruins ... $5 million... plus they are gonna have too sucker another team to take Mrazek off their hands ... Dubas is gonna have a hard summer too make all this work
@@rockybalboa1847 oh obviously leafs management have one of the shittiest off seasons that's what happens when you go a in
2004
My problem with that Tavares goal being called back wasn't that it wasn't a penalty. It's the fact of how Tampa many times was allowed to to hold Toronto players from chasing a chipped in puck on the forcheck. In multiple games it would happen more then once that a Tampa player would alter the direction they were skating and push the Tornto player off balance as they tried going by, with no effort to turn and chase them, which is interference and with the same logic how could they call Justin holls change of course to cut Stamkos off a penalty, cause up until then all the interference penalties basically involved holding players in place. It just seems like to pivotal of a moment to change your stance on something like that.
Zamboni driver
Hmmm over rated and over paid this team was for repeatedly falling short every single year. Until they win a single round, they should never been in the same talk of contender again
First round exit
To me it is the leaves being the maple leafs what’s new shock artists
Huh?
Basically it is the maple jokes being the maple jokes they chocked again what’s new they will again next year and the next year and the next nothing will change with this joke of a team Go Canucks go
It was a penalty all day. Their power play tanked again, their bottom six got caved in by Tampas bottom six. And Matthews and the core wiff on yet another elimination game when they need a big goals.
Really hope Steve sees us but it’s funny coming from a guy that looks like that and has never touched the ace in a real game shut up
Is the Leafs 4th line a hard checking line, or are they a scoring line? Oh, we'll just not let them have an identity.
I thought you guys have learned from previous years. Championship teams have learned to play defensive 2-1 games and Toronto Maple Leafs don't want to change their philosophy. I think it's time for Shanahan and Dubas to go. Finish 1st of the division and being unable to pass the first round on multiple occasions prove that this team has not the DNA of a Championship team. They built a good regular season team. Montreal would never accept such repetitive failures and then saying they're going into the right direction.
Lol Adam sure is a whiner
Man y’all whine a lot
enough of the penalty talk. unfortunately its human beings calling quick penalties.they'll make mistakes. I would be in favour of reviewing penalties and high sticks. only way to get them right
Bahhahahahaha...... They couldn't even do it with that team
Matthews isn't Canadian enough to understand what winning the cup in Toronto actually means. He'll never win a cup in Canada.
If he went to Arizona, Bettman will make sure Arizona wins a cup with 1-3 years of him being there.
@@WillyWooly Matthews isn't going anywhere! He is the one that keeps fans coming back!