The Order of the Guardians Is COMPLETELY Useless!⎮A Miraculous Ladybug Season 5 Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- So, is it just me or is the Order of the Guardians in Miraculous just the worst organisation of all time? Do they get anything right? Cause it sure doesn't seem like it... Cat Noir and Ladybug are carrying this thing. Su Han. Fu. Lift your games lads. You're letting the side down significantly. What a disgrace. Join me as I continue to rant about this topic. Enjoy.
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Being a guardian of the miraculous is more of a punishment than a honour 😂
Pov plagg in the box:I wanna go out CATACLYSM
@@Noooooo764 agree
Fr 😂😂😂
Uhh
Agree
Let's look at Fu first of all.
-So not only his way of testing people is the stupidest thing I have seen, not only he decides to give them to CHILDREN without any sort of training... HE GIVES THE EXACT MIRACULOUS HAWKMOTH IS LOOKING FOR! Yeah, Fu shouldn't know this, but from his words that he suspected the one with the book would be Hawkmoth, then the wielder would know about the Wish, meaning Fu should not give out the exact Miraculous he is looking for, especially one that CAN KILL PEOPLE! There were literally better options, like the Snake in case one of them got stolen at the last minute or the Bee in order to defeat an enemy quickly.
-He decides to not show himself to the others and only did when Marinette found the book. I'm sorry, so you gave two children the most powerful items in existence... AND JUST DECIDED TO WATCH!? WITHOUT GIVING THEM ANY TRAINING!?
-He clearly shows favoritism because when Marinette comes to him, it's only after she states that Chat Noir feeling left out that he actually shows himself to Adrien. Would it not be better for both of them to be aware of your existence?!
-In Feast, he betrayed their trust by taking away their Miraculous simply because of his mistakes. I'm sorry, but if this happened, I would lose all trust in Fu and only go to him for the Miraculous.
-He decides to ONLY make Marinette Guardian. I'm pretty sure there are multiple Guardians, so you could make Chat Noir a guardian as well. Again favoritism...
Let's move on to Su-Han.
-Dude is a stickler for rules and tradition and yeah, I get that since he is from an older generation and from a temple, so traditions are important, but he should have been able to see that the situation has changed and that rules and tradition should not have applied here. Also, HOW WAS SHE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE RULES IF SHE WAS NEVER TRAINED!? Also, his nickname for Fu is completely insulting. You're a Guardian, not a general in an army movie mocking the recruits.
-He does jackshit the entirety of season 4 except to order Marinette around. HELP HER DECIPHER THE WHOLE BOOK because any new information/power Marinette receives on the Miraculous she either gets it from Tikki, the Book, or pulls it out of nowhere thanks to 'Plot Armour'. Su-Han could have helped her so much at the beginning when she was struggling, SOMETHING the show ACTUALLY made apparent. She literally has a way to lessen the burden on her and the writers don't take it because 'Marinette is the protagonist and she can do anything'.
-TRAIN THEM! FOR FUCK SAKE, TEACH THESE GUYS MARTIAL ARTS!
-The one time he is right though in Ephemeral, he phrases it completely wrong because the show wants him to be wrong.
-Why haven't you brought MORE Miraculous into the fray!? You have an entire temple full of them!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the blatant favouritism he has towards Marinette.
Not to mention that it's suggested that Fu didn't even bother to tell Marinette that the consequence for giving up the box would be to lose her memory. She had to find out from Wayzz. He basically forced a child to take up his responsibilities the same way the guardians did to him even after complaining about how wrong it was in "Feast".
Another thing is that the left the job of explaining the power of the miraculous to Tikki and Plagg. PLAGG who he and Su Han constantly insist is too dangerous to be left without supervision. Let's all just be glad Plagg just wants to eat cheese all day because how did they expect a child to reign in and responsibly use Plagg's powers for good when two grown men were afraid of his power.
All this general incompetence from him has led me to call him Master Fuck-up because that's all he seems to be good at.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU!!!! I appreciate the points made about Su-Han, and and the nickname deal, he would have only known Fu prior to the Feast incident in Tibet when he was no more than TEN YEARS OLD AT THE TIME! So he was basically degrading a smaller child expecting him to rise to the challenge of being Guardian at that age when one of his mentors insulted and yelled at him, the temple took him away from his family when he didn't want to be there, and ignored that aspect and tried to give him a Miraculous when he was bitter not to mention physically tested and right out of the gate here. Tradition or no that is a small child.
Then in the present he essentially breaks into this girl's room, demands the Miracle Box, and again yells at and criticizes her when yes, she has no idea of these rules and much less why the Celestial Guardians had put them in place and this is never in any way explained to her. Su-Han essentially tried strong-arming her that whole episode when she's had to handle everything by herself not counting a partner, who knows heck! Less than she does about how the Miraculous work much less how to make use of the Kwamis in her current position since she is rightfully destroyed that she'd inadvertently caused Fu to lose his memories and endangered the box, a mistake she does acknowledge but at her age has quite little idea how to fix. Yet even when an adult comes into the fold he makes himself the last person she would go to for answers since he's still stuck on the ways and traditions that made a ten year old boy bitter and act out with divinely powered jewels in that anger causing a tragedy. And somehow these monks or at least Su-Han didn't consider that such an event was worth a little introspection as a mentor?
Definitely though a better ending for the Furious Fu episode is that kind of threat: "one failure and I take the Miracle Box," which is a threat since what's to say that once Ladybug loses her memories of being a Guardian, perhaps of the Miraculous altogether that Su-Han wouldn't just take the box back to the temple? Leaving Paris to Hawkmoth for an indeterminant amount of time before it becomes obvious Cat Noir and Ladybug are out of commission? My opinion, following Furious Fu there's still too little to form trust between Marinette and Su-Han as a mentor and really he never did state or imply what he would do with the Paris situation as his sole focus was the box and her "violating the sacred rules."
It would be a good idea that Su-Han coming to his "Jerkass Realization" is a gradual thing. That he actually does observe this modern world and how things have changed and actually pay attention to the partnership that's defending the city. He sees rudimentary skills and in that aspect to take down an enemy he has to respect them but spiritually or emotionally, however you want to call it, things are degrading, there is mistrust, resentment, and doubt with the black cat so he pursues it, getting information on his own from the shadows and so even if he has valid points his initial distaste for teenagers doing this job and previous bad encounters the way he's presented before tunes out the real criticism and help he tries to offer. Which at first makes him act in anger but later he would admit something of the method he's using isn't working. Probably seeing as simple that Viperion for one gets much better results when he brings up the same type of concern, he makes note of his tone of voice for example or Ladybug's expression actually looking tranquil in his presence. It leaves him with things to think about.
The biggest problem I have with the guardians is the fact that they don't seem to be able to control the weilders of the Miraculous once they've handed out the jewel.
An entire temple of guardians can't contain a single sentimonster from child Fu? No guardian can take back the Cat miraculous that was given out to the guy Joanne of Arc fell in love with? Su Han can't fight any akumatized villans that Gabe makes?
What kind of useless info is written in those coded books and what's the point of Miracle Fu if you can't take care of a rogue/evil Miraculous holder?
Su- han was probably the one who wrote the book because he knew exactly what page to go to quickly for rule to lay towards Marinette.
Exactly my thoughts why is there no way to control them or nullify their powers ??!!
Finally! I thought I was the only one who saw all of this! But you forgot to mention one thing. Tikki kept saying that a love story between the Ladybug and Black Cat miraculous holders will cause a disaster, right? If Master Fu knew this, why did he give the miraculous to two teenagers who he knew would fall in love?
Easy answers : he is master FU - CK
“Those two are made for each other” Fu - Origins Part 2.
WHAT ARE YOU ON THIS ACTUAL MF
I don't know, probably because they would be the strongest together something like that. Maybe a Cat and Ladybug that didn't like each other so much would cause mayhem amongst themselves.
I mean if i was the guardian and i see that if they fall in love is game over i either choose two girls or two boys that way its very possible they won't fall in love
@@billykaplan9915 Bro doesn't know gay people exist💀😭
I think the writers really dropped the ball on the lore in general. Here’s what I would change:
The order of the guardians would have been founded by kwamis and humans, over the United goal of wanting to make the world a better, safer place. After an accident with combining the Ladybug and Black Cat miraculous, kwamis became unable to use their powers, but they could use the miraculous as conduits for people to use them. Guardians would store the miraculouses in their boxes, being assigned with that miraculous’s kwami, going out to fight (fighting in independence wars, against genocide, natural disasters, etc.). In rare scenarios, regular civilians could be tasked as temporary guardians who can use the powers of miraculous, but like in a relationship with Guardians, kwamis can only power the miraculous if they choose, thus making it a mutualistic relationship.
In my AU, Gabriel would just be a regular terrorist with no magic, and during one attack, a much older Marinette and Adrien would accidentally find the jewels and kwamis, and finding agreement to save innocent people, would become heroes.
How the hell would Gabriel stand a chance in your AU then?
@@etetgg1364 I would probably have Gabriel just be an unrelated character who is a terrorist who represents people who just want to see the world burn.
Honestly, the Guardians are the biggest waste of time and potential in the later seasons of Miraculous. Their whole concept is never explained or explored. We're left with questions from day 1 as to why they even created the magical jewels in the first place or why don't they go to Paris and lay down the law. Compare them to the Shaolin Monks in Xiaolin Showdown and there is no contest as to who is the better organization. The Shaolin Monks are the guardians of the Shen Gong Wus, and their mission is to keep them safe from the hands of an evil witch when and if she's freed from her prison. A clear mission. A clear reason why they do things. And a useful set of master warriors to get the job done. Meanwhile you look at the Guardians and we don't even know what they're supposed to do. Is there a great evil in the horizon? We don't know. The only danger so far is Gabe and his convoluted, highly dangerous and destructive use of one Miraculous before getting all but two! Why aren't the Guardians swarming Paris and take down Hawkmoth?! If I was part of a secret society meant to protect the world with magic jewels and I heard that someone was misusing one of the powerful ones and two kids were using the two most powerful ones, I'd be on the next flight to Paris and go kick some ass!
Why didn't Fu ever just travel back in time and tell the Guardians he wasn't ready and killed everyone at the temple???? Why didn't he go back and fix his mistake?
It should be regarded to Fu as a serious threat that the order of the Guardians was wiped out, by him nonetheless, and Ladybug lets Alex use it and Alex ends up using it to tell Ladybug to erase her name on a birthday gift.
There's a reason I forget about the bunny miraculous and that is just one reason why.
Because changing events so severely is pointless. It would change everything, fixing a lot but also creating a lot of new problems. That's how the Rabbit Miraculous is used in this show, even in season 5, Marinette and Adrien didn't travel back to defeat HawkMoth early, they simply made sure he didn't do too much damage and wasn't able to timetravel any longer. It seems people want to mess with time as less as possible.
@@etetgg1364 (just wanna say, this is not an argument i see it as a fun discussion, just wanted to make that clear and apologies if this becomes an argument not my intention)
True, but the change became severe after time passed from when it happened.
Fu had the ability to change the events recently after the order was wiped out. While that would have been a severe change for him, it would just be like using the snake miraculous - in terms of how the weilder saw how things change and experience that themselves. Not the usage of it.
We also learn in season 5 that ladybug isnt that well suited for the bunny miraculous - chat noir understood time travel better than she did then.
You can also argue that ladybug never used the bunny miraculous because of the rules bunnix informs her of when she first enters the burrow.
It can also be argued that ladybug realized early on that she isnt the right person to use the bunny miraculous, regardless of if she understands time travel or not.
If ladybug and chat noir were to fight hawkmoth via time traveling to defeat an early version of him, then there’d be a paradox. They might be wiped out. It also _severely_ changes the timeline, as you pointed out.
Like bunnix fixed the timeline so _she_ wouldn’t be erased, because time was changing to where she never received the miraculous. And she also existed in the burrow, a pocket dimension- or a space outside of time (idk if thats just a pocket dimension tho..) but anyway, that’s why she was able to hold onto her memories and not just instantly change or fade.
Those are just my thoughts, would love to hear others, and sorry for the long message.
@stephaniegilton4548 Thank you for clearing up your intentions. Don't worry, we are indeed just discussing. Also, the long message doesn't bother me, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. You make great points. I personally just always try to find a way why people did or did not do something instead on blaming it on bad writing. That being said, I think that Fu may not have realized the gravity he was in after the destruction of the temple. Not only was he a kid, but we know that he himself is a bit unresponsible. It's possible that after wrongly using the Peacock Miraculous, Fu didn't want to use another Miraculous because he was scared of messing up again. Master Fu is also someone who likes to do things on his own term. In Season 4 we found out that he has been a guardian in his own way, even making new rules for the Miraculous heroes like Ladybug and Chat Noir's secret identity, and the guardian using Miraculouses, which even Su-Han found strange. I could imagine that Fu himself didn't want anyone to interfere with time at all, I could see him thinking of this as a critical rule and it's not like he ever gave the Bunny Miraculous away for anyone to use.
@@etetgg1364 That's actually a really good point that I overlook a lot - Fu was a child when he was taken into the Guardians. He was probably younger than Adrien and Marinette when he had to take his test. It's possible that Fu thought Adrien and Marinette were the right age to handle the expectations, or older than needed to do so. I'm not sure if he'd have thought they were _mature_ enough, or if that was even a question, but age-wise, I'm sure he thought they were old enough.
(actually, do you know if they are in middle school or high school? The English dub says high school, but the French say middle school. Well, I think the word _college_, but I'm missing some characters)
I agree with you completely though - with him being a young child and responsibilities and a situation that is hard to handle and process even for an adult. I also never fully realized how he was a guardian in his own way. I honestly haven't seen much of the show in English or French lately, so I think I lost some lines in translation like Su-Han finding the secret identity situation strange. I thought that was a Guardian rule, not one Fu decided. I did see his version of being a Guardian in teaching Marinette and guiding her, and honestly, I think Fu taught Marinette in a much more relaxed way than he was taught - I guess we could say Fu taught Marinette to be a Guardian through modern teachings.
Su-Han gave me the impression that Marinette's teachings should have been more strict and disciplined, instead of as relaxed and hands-on as it was. I think Fu thought that was best for Marinette and Adrien.
Fu had probably been scouting Marinette and Adrien for far longer than the show revealed to the audience - with us seeing his final evaluation of them before deciding to hand out their miraculous. (I think Fu could sense Hawkmoth's presence in Paris)
And that's when Fu threw them into the frying pan. The kwamis explained everything to their new holders and they went into action against a villain. Marinette was unconfident and doing what she was told - she had no backbone, no certainty. Chat was taking everything lax-free, but that's also because it was his first taste of freedom. Chat was joking, flirting, and not very serious. He was also confident he wasn't alone in his fights now and had someone to rely on to back him up. But he still didn't take it seriously right off the bat - that's what the villain did, the villain snapped into Char and Mari about how real and dangerous the situation was and the responsibilities their new powers gave them.
I'm a hands-on learner - when I got my first job, my managers realized that. Whenever they taught me anything, they would talk and walk me through it - do it as they spoke - and have me repeat the task in front of them, to show I understood, and then have me work on it and watch me do it until they were confident that I had it down.
And I think Fu should have been taught in a similar way, but the Guardians probably just regarded his studies and declared that he _does_ what was typically next - the test - without questioning if he was mentally ready.
By throwing Marinette and Adrien into the frying pan, Fu was able to show them the reality and responsibility of the situation, and Fu watched for their response and maturity. He was watching to see if they could handle it. And he was right.
I think what I said above also ties into what you said about Fu and not using another Miraculous due to fear of failing again, and I think that ties into his critical rule of no time-interference, hence why he never gave the bunny miraculous out.
I also think his lack of responsibility can be brought back to that night of failure for him - it must have traumatized him - maybe even given him ptsd - for a very long time. That test was a lot of pressure for anyone, especially a child, and the reality of failing afterward would shatter anyone. It's not a regular test - I think it was supposed to be like a regular one - but in Fu's confidence of getting away with food and not getting caught by having a sentimonster do it(and honestly I think we all would think that too), he lacked caution in regards to the power and quickly lost control of it. And then everyone died, or he thought they did.
(also, that's my headcanon now)
Speaking of the bunny miraculous, Fu never gave it to Alix. Alix got it from her dad. It was a family heirloom disguised as an ordinary watch and showed a mini holo-model of their ancestral bunny user. I wonder where they got the bunny from? Because we learn of a miracle box in America, with other miraculous, so that makes me wonder if Fu even knew about the bunny miraculous before Bunnix came over. It's possible that I'm forgetting something though, but I don't remember him being aware or mentioning the bunny miraculous before Bunnix's arrival, nor do I remember seeing a spot for it in Fu's miracle box.
Also, I have to rewatch the video so I don't remember if I posted the original comment in regards to bad writing. But I have always had issues with the writing - but hey, it's a kids show and I'm an adult, plus everything has flaws. But I've always been bothered by things brought into the show that feel like they are too much and result in questions like my OG post.
When they revealed the Miracle box and Bee, Fox, and Turtle miraculouses, I thought that was amazing. It only added to the world in a good way, but when they opened the draws and the rest of the miraculous, both myself and a friend agreed that it was starting to feel like a bit too much was being added.
I think Smarty Pants did a video about the value or purpose of the different miraculouses and their powers, and how useful they are.
(sorry if I lost you in this or confused you, I went really ADD and got lost trying to edit it myself and honestly gave up)
@Aria_Dragonneel If master Fu went to past then, those monks might become serious for selecting gurdian and they might select someone who's mature or they might change the rules which will might be more difficult or maybe Fu convinced them to make the rules easier.... Whatever, but later that no any hungry senti monster would be formed, so no monestry would be harmed, no any miraculous would be dropped. So there wasn't any existence of Hawkmoth, Mayura, Ladybug, Cat noir and any other miraculous holders. Since every miraculous was safe. And so as per the theory, Adrien and Felix are senti monsters, so this mean Gabriel and her wife and Felix's parents were unable to have children due to infertility, so they do not exist, but Gabriel would be happy since her wife was fine and about Mari, she's still got bullied by Chloè. (Sorry my English is not good😅)
They're less useless and more the writers have no idea what to do with them. I mean, at the end of the New York special, Not Robin convince the monks to give out the miraculouses to good people, but we haven't seen a follow up to that. They could do an episode that doesn't involve the main characters, TV shows do that all the time.
Yes, YES, YEEEEEEES.
I mean, the guardians have magic knowledge And they never change some charms that are so detrimental, for example the amnesia spell when a guardian gave up the miracle box, or that the kwamis are 100% forced to obey their holder, or at least a device that let you track a miraculous.
Also, being a guardian should be a choice not a duty, especially with the "you will forget all your life when you stop being a guardian" stuff.
And don't get me started with Fu and Sun Han.
Fu, for some reason, pick teenagers to be holders of two of the "most" powerful miraculous in the box, even though teenagers can't use the powers more than once. He is just so dumb as bricks, especially cause he had all the miraculous and do nothing with them.
1) ¿How about time travel and using the dog miraculous to retrieve the peacock and the butterfly one? (And I am talking before the Hawkmoth stuff)
2) he never used the rooster miraculous not even to find the lost ones, and don't give me "the restrictions excuse", cause you definitely can work around those with some imagination.
3) The weird unbalanced dynamic between ChatNoir and Ladybug, I KINDA get the idea of them not knowing the identity of the other, but making one of them the only guardian with proper miraculous training was super dumb, making Ladybug the stronger one but also the weakest link, which cause that her mistake cause all the miraculous to be stolen.
BUT Sun han is worst, you could say that Fu was stupid cause he didn't finish his training, but Sun Han is the official celestial guardian, and even though Marinette actions proves him right in multiple ocassions he ended up being scolded by the teenagers that screw up
Sun han was proved right that
1) Children should not be entrusted with miraculous, only adults
2) They need a more efficient way to contact Chat Noir and a third party to know both of their identities.
3) A holder should not be also a guardian.
And the weird part is that even though he is usually right even though no one wants to admit it, he is also the most negligent and useless mentor I have ever seen.
Now that they lose all the miraculous, he should keep Marinette and Adrien in check so they don't screw up again, like I don't know, give up their miraculous and causing to lose those too
I could keep going on into my hatred of those two, but you get my idea 😅
They were 13 at the start, Master Fu met them in the past and tried to find them for decades he told Wayzz he got it wrong once and hopes he got it right this time, all he has to go by was the color and style of their hair, eye color, voice nationality, and approximate height, weight and age
I mostly forgive Fu for his fuck up's given he's self taught and holding a metric tone of regrets and past mistakes, even taking the miraculous out of France durring WW2 I sort of get; it could have been an effort to make sure the Nazi's didn't get them which while not great makes some sense. As for the order in general... yeah they're really bad at what they do.
One of the only ways to make this work is if the guardians truly didn't care about the well-being of the world and only wanted a show
If the Miraculous existed in real life, the government would seize them from the Guardians and lock them up in a top-secret facility. Even with good intentions, the government wouldn't trust anyone to use such jewels that grant superpowers.
Let's be real the governments would abuse them
@@billykaplan9915 How so? Treat the Kwamis like lab rats?
Study the jewels to create weapons? Study the Kwamis to create super soldiers?
@@jaysonhodges7154 or do with them what Gabriel is already doing or use the powers for war
the real challenge is finding something that is not a colossal Train wreck in the pile of rubble that is Miraculous
This show had so much potential but the writers really phone it in. Hope the aninated movie, live-action movie, and live-action series are better.
It's baffling to me just how poorly handled the Guardians were in this show. Their incompetence is on par with Team Rocket.
At least team rocket is entertaining
If done correctly: A LIVE ACTION TV SHOW BRINGING THINGS LITTLE BY LITTLE; cards spread out all over the table, where Adrien and Marinette are in this last years of teendom. Think about it: 19+; they could learn faster and develop their skills. Romance and epic adventures could give a better story! You can go anywhere with it like in the recent years where YOU CAN'T CENSOR A THING!
I agree with a lot of your points but I do want to point out that Joan never said the guardian gave England the Black Cat. And you're right, it doesn't make sense for the Guardians to pit two miraculous, especially those two, against each other. I see it more as (and I don't know if they just didn't want to clarify or actually didn't think this through at all) but I'd guess that the Black Cat was being misused by the Black Knight and so the Ladybug was activated to prevent him from curb stomping all of France. Creation really would be the best weapon against Destruction. Chances are, part of her mission was also to retrieve his miraculous for the Guardians, which makes her betrayal of France for him reaaaaallllyyy iffy and weird. But yeah that's my interpretation of whenever two miraculous holders fight, that one of them was a bad holder and refused to return it.
mastor fu and su- han are the worst mentors ever.
but why would they give kids miraculouses?
doesnt surprise me that these guys are worse than the jedi order
Kmagine Fu trying to go back to his family after destroying the temple, what do you that would be like?
Dident you think that dark grimarking was given the cat Miraculous before the british started to invate france ?
Well technically Master Su didn't want Fu to succeed as a Guardian.
In your opinion who is more incompitent the Guardians of Miraculous Ladybug or the Hakaishins/Gods of Destruction of Dragon Ball Super
Jikes, we're not talking about anime here.
Su-Han should trained Marinette and Adrien
Master Fu s origin story was one of the laziest things I ve ever watched...and I was very disappointed with the introduction of the guardians since they first appeared
100% agreed. They're terrible.
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TEENS great idea, run&run for responsibility. 😠
The Pied Piper sounds pretty sick. I love it already!!!! 🤩 🤣
There ok but as you said they can be better WAY better
Me slowly realising smarty pants is slowly turning into a Cyrus the great kind of channel:
(Btw, i respect you for that)
@No, that's wrong. Cyrus just seems to hate the show, Smart is way more objective.
God bless!
In word of gojo from season 2.... BLeCH!!!!!
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Burn!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
are you forgetting the rule where "guardians are not supposed to use the miraculous"? lol
Fu didn't follow that rule.
OMG so true
Su-Han had SO MUCH potential to be a great mentor for Marinette. He made some pretty solid criticisms towards Marinette in both his debut episode and 'Ephemeral'. But guess what? Nobody can criticize the main protagonist for her inexperience and her shortcomings as a guardian 😑 Su-Han is ALWAYS wrong for criticizing Marinette according to the writers 😑
I was especially pissed off in 'Ephemeral' at Ladybug for being a massive hypocrite. She said that Su-Han doesn't fully trust her due to his own fears. And yet, the reason she keeps Chat Noir in the dark is due to HER OWN fears of Chat Blanc. And then Su-Han apologizes, of course 😑
Yeah that also rubbed me wrong too. Surely something can be said about the guardians letting go of some of their rigidness, but I imagine they've not been in possession of the Miracle Box all those years for nothing. They have wisdom that Marinette just does not have over them, and instead of finding a way to have Su Han better train Marinette, they made him the equivalent of a Boomer who just doesn't trust her, even though like you said, it was solid criticism. Like when it seems like the writers have some good plot points to work with they pull the rug from under you, and not in a good way lol
Well did you remember what Ladybug say to Suhan en Sam hill a mean Ephemeral in the end about her fears?
before ephemeral i saw a fan theorizing that instead of su han being marinette's mentor he would be adrian's mentor, teaching chat noir combat techniques, being the classic strict but fair teacher who softens over time and maybe becoming a true father figure to adrian.
this would have been perfect for a chat noir development
Really felt that the furious fu episode was when marinette acted like a Marysue
@@gabrielferreira-gg7fh WELL IN MY VERIZON He Does MENTOR ADRIEN/CHATNOIR”
You forgot to mention that Master Fu went to Adrien's party taking the miraculous box with him inside a container with no protection, anyone could want to look inside out of curiosity or drop it and it would reveal the box.
I get what you mean there. As a guy I could have theoretically went to the party, wanted a soda and would have seen the miraculous then take perhaps the goat miraculous. Yeah that was pretty irresponsible.
*Gabriel sneaks into the party and looks in the box*
That's kind of the guardians (and Lila's problem) the lack of magic to protect magical jewels make them kind of incompetent
Master Fu never thought to give Cat Noir information, only Ladybug, and there's no way to say it was a matter of discretion because no one knew about him so he could make a way to contact Adrien/Cat Noir, and not only that but he went to Adrien's party with the miraculous box, that was dangerous!
He didn't even intend to help Marinette either consider he seemed slightly upset when Tikki brought Marinette to see him. He only decided to help her when she brought him the book and he realized he could use her to fix his mistakes.
It would be nice if the miraculous could choose the right person to use them when the button of the miraculous box was pressed and gave freedom to the kwamis, because I don't think humans would be able to make that choice, they should train only to protect the boxes and guide the holders.
That does make more sense
Netflix Series Trollhunters does something similar, the Trollhunter Amulet, the equivalent to a Miraculous. It chooses it's holder, when the previous holder dies, the Amulet chooses a new holder. Heck even someone who isn't a troll. Jim was the first Human Trollhunter
I think the kwamis should as they are the ones who give the superpowers
That's what happens in the movie!
More or less
Kinda wish the heroes got chosen by the miraculous themselves. Like in the magical girl show series pretty cure. There the heroes gets chosen when proving themselves ready and they bond with the transformation gadget by their souls.
Why not do that with miraculous ladybug. Like Adrien and Marinette could have run after Stoneheart and saved people in the way. Without powers. And then they could get chosen by the miraculous. Same with the others, because that would make the heroes feel more important and not just heroes that can be easily replaced that can also be horrible and selfish people.
The guardians can also protect the miraculous while no one is chosen yet. And it can also be lore that if someone uses a miraculous without being chosen, chaos happens. That can explain the butterfly miraculous being used for evil and the peacock miraculous creating a sentimonster who killed all guardians except Fu, and breaking. That would make the guardians more important. Not only protecting magical jewelry from evil, but also protecting the people themselves. That could explain why Gabriel is a mad man and Emelie being in a coma.
That would be alot better and then when Su han comes back he could train all heroes that's currently chosen one by one.
Joel, I suggest you to replace the writers of miraculous, since your idea is clearly great
You’re completely right. A good example would also be Chloe! Look what can happen when a miraculous gets in the wrong hands
That happens in the movie, and i love that
This was actually what I thought the show was going to be like, back when the only thing I knew about it was the transformation-sequences. Because that was the way that it usually worked in other magical girl-shows that I had watched before and I figured that it was a ‘find the true wielder in order for the power to activate’ kind of deal.
Boy was I surprised when I found out that they were just handed out like candy…
That what happened in the miraculous awakening movie are you a time traveler
Su Han: "If you make one mistake i'm taking back the miraculous"
Ldybug: "deal"
Ladybug: *F's up big time* "Well now i'm not doing it."
Su Han: "This is all my fault"
😭☹😭
Given how the 'guardian' does legit nothing after his first appearance, it kinda is... (I expected him to train the both of them but I guess we can't have happy things in miraculous)
It kind of is his fault though. He never should’ve trusted her with that responsibility, especially since we see later in Season 4 just how lost and stressed she is trying to be Guardian and Ladybug.
All that Su-Han had to do was stay in Paris and unofficially guard the Miracle Box at his hideout. Marinette keeps her memories and her Guardian Title until she’s been properly trained by Su-Han and can handle the Guardian’s duties. Su-Han actually has a purpose for being there and can teach Marinette and Adrien about their powers and how to unlock their upgrades.
By not doing this, Su-Han essentially abandoned his duty and made the Miracle Box vulnerable. It was too dangerous and risky, as he originally said, to have the Guardian be wielding a Miraculous in broad daylight. It was really only a matter of time until her identity was revealed, endangering the Box, or until a bad actor tricked her and stole the Box itself.
The thing I absolutely hate is that Master Fu didn't even bother with Adrien. Adrien was the one who had the Miraculous book but through some concluded crap, Marinette got it and was the first to meet Fu. Adrien was left completely in the dark until the Siren episode where he was so fed up with Ladybug constantly keeping secrets from him (only she gets to know the identities of the temporary Miraculous holders).
You would think that the other half of the most powerful Miraculouses, which commands the power of destruction btw, would call for some guidance but apparently not.
Having the power of destruction is not dangerousat all and doesn't need any kind of training. Fu can say thank you to Cat Noir, can say good bye, can train him, but he choose don't do it. Because he's too busy with LB.
I honestly felt that Fu was utterly useless, especially when he was supposed to train Ladybug and Chatnoir, but he didn’t even do that. You’d think giving a teenager the power of destruction doesn’t raise anything flags?
The one from last season had a lot of potentials, especially with a maneuver that can resist Akuma’s, but the show doesn’t do anything with it. Hell, the purpose he served is basically to say that Ladybug is always right when that for sure isn’t true.
They are nothing but wasted potential that the show doesn’t bother talking about unless it’s for the sake of the plot, and even then, the majority of the story is centered around the hero's love life.
'Wasted potential' can be tagged onto a lot of this show, it's a shame
@@fluffigefledermaus218you can literally call the whole show wasted potential 😭 I think it’s bc miraculous was supposed to be darker and not a kids show + incompetent writers, and I don’t think I need to bring up the creator etc…
@@fluffigefledermaus218 Miraculous Ladybug: Tales of Wasted Potential & Missed Opportunities
You are looking a really good Master Fu. I sugges you go to this youtube channel: Callimara.
Meaning you have to go to Callimara's Miraculous Rewrite video. It is significantly better than the show's canon. Also, her version of Master is much better than canon because she fixes Master Fu and is a proper mentor to Marinette and Adrian in her version.
@@NarinDeliah the show has too many writers, and Astruc is too obsesed with his vision, when the fanbase goes against it he came back with a PTSD's episode to back his vision, because he wants a powerful heroin and he really doesn't know how to do it.
I mean, Fu was a terrible person. From giving the most important miraculouses to two 13 year olds, killing the guardians and destroying the temple and making a 14 year old the guardian. The guardians are also terrible and kinda stupid. They are meant to be wise people but die to a child with a miraculous, and this situation wouldn't have happened if the was some failsafe or someting. Like imagine, if one of the guardians go rogue and steal the miraculouses for themselves. What would the guardians do? Absolutely stupid.....
I mean, as soon as they got word that a teen became the guardian, the only thing they did was gave her a piece of their mind and did nothing practical to help her. I stopped expecting shit from them
From my perspective and understanding, at the start of the series, Marinette and Adrien look to be 14, not 13. But that could just be me thinking that due to how tall they were designed to be. :P.
Marinette had 14'th birthday after the start of the series. I think Adrian also turned 14 shortly after the first episode....
He is called Master F**k. He is a master of incompetence.
Also, if you are looking for really good Master Fu. I suggest you watch Callimara's Miraculous Rewrite. It is significantly better than the canon show. Also, Callimara has written a version of Master Fu that is better than canon.
@@michaelsarmiento3362 I will. Personally I think anyone could write a better Fu, than the miraculous writers
They literally gave fu the most powerful box when he was in training watching over it. Why didn't they give him a less powerful one or even a replica?
Right, it seems like every adult completely trusts kids with their whole life
@@NarinDeliah at this point they need to blame themselves
@@Player-oe7zu right
They really left the door open for the Guardians to be a villain's motivation. Take a kid and make them commit to a life abandoning everything they've ever known to be a monk protecting weapons they do not care about...ok but why isn't Master Fu actually evil at this point? We could have had Gabriel as a Guardian who abandoned his training and stole the butterfly miraculous. WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
I'm sure if Adrien was the guardian, he wouldn't give a miraculous to a complete stranger like Mari did with Zoe. He would think about it, ask Plagg about it then debate if it's a good idea or not. He's more prudent than her! Also, it would give more development to Chat as well as a new responsability. If it fails, Su-han can keep the miracle box then hide somewhere to give the jewels to the kids. Maybe he has a lair like Gabriel? That would be cool to see!
i personally perceive adrien as clouded by emotion. he would choose a character similarly to marinette, where if he deems them morally correct enough, he gives it despite their seeming inability to truly grasp the idea.
he doesn't really get as close to others though, which could be greater for choosing his "brain trust," however he would most likely just want to give it to people he likes because astruc likes to haphazardly write character traits and change up things last minute.
doesn't even matter who has it. the plot exists for convenience.. these people would still be chosen because they don't want to develop characters + make new ones for plot progression. why make new, important (depth-provided) character that develops trust and virtuosity over episodes when convenient (shallow+impromptu backstory) newly introduce character do trick 😍😍
You’re dreaming here, man. Adrien should be competent and smart in the show, but his characterization is the complete opposite. He’s constantly shown to be naive and immature and kinda not suited to being a superhero beyond his bravery.
I can assume that Adrien would give the Miraculous to people that he’d want to be close to and whom he believes in. Hence, you can best believe Chloe would’ve gotten one, as would Alya and Nino and Marinette. Heck, maybe Gabriel and Nathalie may have gotten one, and we all know what a disaster that would’ve been.
I can just imagine him needing to find someone to give a Miraculous to and choosing his dad. He’d think of how it’d be great to work with his dad and spend some time with him, and how maybe it would help Gabriel loosen up and show his old self once again. In reality, Adrien would just be seeing what he wanted to see, and Gabriel probably would’ve taken advantage.
Now that I’m writing this, I’m seeing how good of a finale that could’ve been. Why couldn’t they do that?
For me, it’s like this:
Su-Han: Excellent Guardian with terrible writing
Ladybug: Good and bad Guardian with terrible writing
Master Fu: Terrible Guardian with barely any writing
In the origins episode, fu decided to give the miraculous of the ladybug and the black cat to two holders to try and track the butterfly miraculous down as Wayzz sensed that it was activated. However, in the upcoming seasons, it is pretty much confirmed that adrien and felix are sentimonsters. So why wasn't wayzz able to sense that the peacock miraculous was activated then?
Am I missing something here?
because the plot for Felix and Adrien become sentimonster was created suddenly without any indication from the previous season. Thats means it is a new idea that just crossed the brain of Thomas astruc. Just like zoe becoming chloe's half sisters, it was done out of the blue. That means Thomas suck at writing plot. If Thomas was thinks about this plot long time ago he should put foreshadowing in earlier season ( Adrien have an alergy to fur not a foreshadowing)
And you not missing something
Wayzz probably sensed it long ago, as Adrien and Felix were created long ago. We didn't see Master Fu and Wayzz at that time, so he very well could have told Fu that 'the Peacock miraculous has been found and is being used by someone.'
I like to believe that since it wasn't used with malicious intentions he didn't sense it
@@etetgg1364 like @azupi6385 said it was created suddenly. The sentimonster theory came from the fanbase and Astruc took it later in the show.
You can watch Catblanc that have some ridiculous moments . Like Adrien going into the lair of Hawkmoth UNDER HIS HOUSE and discovering that Hawkmoth is his dad (without any explanation of how LB and CN found the place) when he's under his house, and a scene later we can see him expelled to the Eiffel tower from the Agreste's house.
Before that Nathalie had said to Gabriel that Adrien was Cat Noir and then the scene in the basement were Hawkmoth/Gabriel doesn't use the rings to control Cat Noir and get the miraculous, instead he tried to convince him but both him and Ladybug ended dead after he akumatized Adrien that is still puzzled for all he revelations and doubts between the girl she loves and his parents.
Miraculous have reached the point where their future is so bleak its depressing to even think about it. The only way to save the show is a complete reboot without thomas and all the current writers interference
That what zag did lol
Does anything in this freaking show make sense😂
I think mentioning real history in this show was probably a mistake. The world building in this show is pretty weak overall-but as usual they just can’t help biting off more than they can chew.
I also question why this Miraculous seems to apparently travel around the world…but then what about the kwami users in other countries?
Basically, where did these other kwamis come from? (I haven’t seen it but I heard there’s kwamis or whatever in America for example and I think maybe in China too.)
Basically why does this one box go all over when there’s apparently already unique kwamis in other areas?
I guess it’s a wonder too why human guardians are really needed altogether too. Maybe the kwamis should have been written to be able to reject their owners or something instead. Or at the least for the kwamis to be the ones training the users.
As it is the kwamis seem to not have much of a role really. Which is kind of strange if you think about it.
It’s kind of like Sailor Moon-she had an animal guardian but who really did train her and advised her. Not some human organization.
But in this show the magical animal is just there, for the most part.
And actually I think it might make more sense if the kwamis were more in control of their fate. Because for example if the kwamis were the ones choosing the miraculous users then at least that would explain more why they didn’t get involved with human events more often.
Maybe they could be mostly prohibited from getting involved or something.
But regardless it’s a huge plot hole. Because essentially what is the purpose of the kwamis?
In Sailor Moon, they had a specific purpose and goal-which I think helps to make it work. In Sailor Moon they wanted to find the queen of the moon or whatever who they knew was somewhere on Earth.
But the kwamis, what’s their goal? I honestly don’t know.
I would say Fu's mistakes have somewhat of a pass, if only because he WAS a child who made a mistake and was trying to do his best with incomplete training. A lot of his mistakes make sense because he's spent most of his life running and hiding, trying to protect the Miraculous because it felt like the only thing he could do to make up for what he did. Did he make mistakes? Yes. But he was also doing his best with minimal guidance while totally on his own. Especially when he got those lessons under traumatizing conditions between being taken from his home and being treated fairly unkindly by the guardians. (Ah yes, call the small child chicken legs and demean and insult him, he'll definitely make Great Decisions when alone with powerful objects.)
But the Guardians have always been shady. The rules towards the kwamis themselves. The kwami like the Miraculous because it lets them interact with humans, sure, which is probably great for ancient beings of the universe, but all the other rules are a good way to abuse the kwamis. Especially when all the complicated rules come from the very first and basic one: Kwamis cannot disobey their user when given an order. I'm sure there are some kwami that are more dangerous and violent, sure, but what you do then is NOT USE THEM unless you absolutely have to, keep them from interacting with reality directly by not having them have an active host. Then the only thing to keep is that when they're called into the Miraculous, they have to enhance the person, in case the power is one that is absolutely necessary.
By having them obey all orders, you get a Hawk moth situation. They're abused and subjugated and hurt. They can't go to anyone for help because a corrupted holder will make sure they don't right away. They can't tell their fellow kwami who a holder is when they're being abused.
If a kwami is dangerous? DON'T USE THE KWAMI UNLESS YOU HAVE TO.
The fact kwami can't disobey is a disadvantage for literally everyone except those who aim to ABUSE the kwami.
Bad user, good kwami? Hawk Moth situation, with Nooroo unable to try and ask for help, or if there is another birthday situation, he can't communicate helpful information.
Bad user, bad kwami? The bad user gets to do everything they were going to before, but now they don't even need to keep their KWAMI happy, even if the bad kwami is unhappy or changes, the bad user just gets to go on how they were before anyway. Whatever little hope there was for the situation to be resolved internally is gone because the bad kwami can't rebel.
Good user, bad kwami? Accept kwami, transform, use what is necessary, detransform and IMMEDIATELY RENOUNCE THE KWAMI. There is a small chance of something going wrong, sure, but compared to the free reign of a bad user? Its minimal.
Good user, good kwami? It seems fine, but now the good user can't get information the kwami might know, such as sharing who bad users are if they get rescued, they're not told helpful information because a bad user can demand it out of them, the kwami can't make a judgement call on if they user is good or bad, they can't hold them ACCOUNTABLE if they start to lose their way. A good user is given a means of corruption because they can just subject another being to their own will without pushback.
But if kwamis aren't magically enslaved?
Bad user, good kwami? Go for help, refuse information, generally make things a bad time for the user. No secret identity for the bad user. Imagine Nooroo just making champions all around Gabriel, he wouldn't be able to stop Nooroo unless he stayed transformed twenty-four/seven. It severely hinders his ability to do things AND is more mentally taxing on him as a person. He really has to COMMIT, a user truly has to have nothing to lose.
Bad user, bad kwami? Basically nothing changes, except the bad user has to play nice with the kwami, they are at least accountable to One Being.
Good user, bad kwami? Be a lot more careful, and stressful, but that just means the user has to be a lot more thoughtful on power usage. It ENCOURAGES responsbility.
Good user, good kwami? There is someone else helping keep the user on the right track, but largely the same as they are now, and the kwami can be allowed to be a lot more helpful to their user.
An order that completely takes away the will of another being is not one to be trusted. The fact the order treats the kwamis like they're bombs and take away their freedom has just made it so kwamis are MORE dangerous because now a kwami has no ability to act as a source of accountability. The enslavement just means the guardians are allowed to be MORE reckless with the kwamis, not safer.
I know!The kwami should have freedom and have a safety lock- down. As if the Miraculous power refuses to activate if it's the wrong tactic or used inappropriate.
You can blame all that on the mage that created the Miraculous
The Guardians of the Miraculous: *Put a spell on the Kwamis so that they can’t reveal the identities of their Holders*
Also the Guardians of the Miraculous: *Can’t simply do the same to former Guardians and instead tank all of their memories while Guardian*
I know it's so the plot could happen at all but I always questioned, if the miraculous are *objectively* weaker on younger/immature people, why would Fu chose teenagers to begin with? Not ONE adult seemed fitting enough by his standards? - standards that were't that big of a deal to begin with since both Mari and Adrien just had to do a single mundane kind gesture and they were rewarded with the two most powerful fashion accesories in the world lol
Hello! Couldn't agree more, the Order of the Guardians were supposed to give some substance to Master Fu mysterious past yet it was fleshed so badly!!! I still can't follow what was the idea, are they supposed to keep track on humanity's progress by handing kwamis - weapons of mass destruction - based on some half-baked criteria? Then all bad things that ever happened can be blamed to these guys!
But no need to get that far, for the Show purpose the Guardians are just... Really incompetent at whatever they were supposed to be! I still can't digest that they gave an apprentice full access to their arsenal with no supervision! "Miraculous should never be used to fulfill personal desires..." Got it, if a hungry kid wanting rice unleashed universal destruction just imagine what desiring a McDonalds could do!!!
Great video, thank you for sharing! :-)
Ohohoho, you are opening up a whole new can of worm, aren’t you? Cause you’re right, the Guardians aren’t as great of a system as they are, and Master Fu and Su-Han were definitely terrible Guardians.
Master Fu decided that the first thing to do with the most powerful Miraculous, the very jewels Hawk Moth wants, is give them to two teenagers after just one act of kindness, and then leave the jewelries in their rooms just expecting them to be heroes, risk their lives, and save the day. No offense, but not every good people is gonna go that far, their kindness do have limits. Looking back now, it’s kind of hypocritical actually. Plus, the tests didn’t seem all that great, it’s just one random act of kindness, but it doesn’t exactly relate to the concepts of the Miraculous. Imagine if Marinette wasn’t a creative person at all, would he still give her the Ladybug Miraculous? But the thing is, not only does he leave them the most powerful Miraculous and change their lives forever, he doesn’t even train them. He just leaves them to their own devices, and doesn’t even come to them at all. If anything, Marinette is the one who came to him after finding the lost Grimoire. And even then, Master Fu decides to not let Cat Noir in because “it was not the right time,” like no, Marinette didn’t come to meet you because you thought it was the right time! You did not know Marinette would somehow find the Grimoire, you thought it was lost forever! And she told you Adrien was the one who had it, who you know is Cat Noir, so by that logic, shouldn’t he also be in the know too? Now I wouldn’t usually mind this if this flaw was addressed and has Master Fu grow, but the thing is it’s never addressed. Even after Cat Noir is let in the know, even though Marinette is the one who had to push Master Fu to do so, he still doesn’t seem to include him as much as Ladybug, not letting him choose a temporary holder himself, or learn more about the Grimoire himself, or even be offer a chance to become a Guardian himself. He just puts more of that responsibility on Ladybug, which is just as bad because it’s too much for her to handle alone. It’s this kind of treatment why there was such tension between Ladybug and Cat Noir in season 4, yet once again, it’s never addressed that Master Fu was responsible.
Then there’s Su-Han, who had so much potential, yet wasted down to a pulp. I honestly expected Su-Han to be an antagonist towards Marinette, because it makes a lot of sense. He’s from a different timeline, having woken up to see over a hundred years has passed, where his worldview is challenged, having to learn two powerful Miraculous are in the hands of evil, and that a literal child is now the Guardian of the most powerful box. It makes sense for him to be apprehensive and close-minded, because he’s human! It’s fine for him to be in the wrong and have Marinette prove herself right, but they do it all the time, not even letting Su-Han be right one time. It just makes him pathetic, especially since he is suppose to be like a sort of leader Guardian and all-powerful.
But wow, I did not expect the Guardians to actually be that bad. I mean, I expected it because of how they treat the Kwamis with putting spells on them that forces them to be obedient to them and be silent. But the fact they just hand out Miraculous that causes more harm than good, and in human warfares like World Wars and stuff, it definitely feels like they’re contributing more to the troubles than actually saving the world.
Either the writers didn’t think this through, or there’s going to be a storyline where the Guardians are challenged and become the villains the heroes has to face.
Something that would've made Su Han more interesting. Have the two ecstatic to have someone who can teach them, especially Adrien, who makes many comments about finally getting trained properly, making Su Han annoyed and Marinette realizing they screwed up bad. However, Shadowmoth is able to seriously injure(would've gone to kill, but ratings have to be in the way) Su Han, and now it makes the situation worse. Shadowmoth has disabled two Guardians, meaning any other survivors from Feast's attack aren't likely to come over and provide aid.
And fu could have used the rabbit miraculous that he always had to time travel so he never creates feast. Incompetent.
yeah Su-Han is kind of a let down, he could have been this cool mentor type of guy from the shadows especially since he has a phone that could have been using to give ever ladybug or chat noir tips or advice since he said he was one of the more worthy guardians, but no he uses his phone to watch cat videos and other stuff all day long. seriously what a waste of a possibly good character.
How many times have you pointed out everything wrong with this show? I’ve lost track.
He probably was informed by Bunnix the day and time that he’s suppose to give Marianette and Adrien the miraculous because he meant them when he was much younger in season 5.
The whole thing about historical figures in this world having Miraculous only for what happens in our world to play out exactly as is is and should be why when forging a world with magic in it you should make your own history, otherwise -
*ARE YOU KIDDING ME, THEY COULD HAVE STOPPED SO MUCH SHIT AND DIDN'T?!*
For the first point, honestly, Su-Han is always painted as being in the wrong for the sake of Ladybug/Marinette being in the right
Yeah there’s no lock to the miracle box well there is but that was the music box that led to the miracle box but that was short of a lock
Evolution reveals that master Fu chose Adrien and Marinette, because of a time paradox
Nah all it reveals is that Fu met a ladybug and a rabbit cat holder. Miraculous have quantum masking so when pepole transform they can't be recognized. Even if they could, theres no way in hell Fu could remember their faces like... 76 years after meeting them. All evolution reveals is basically, nothing at this point. Just plot holes.
He doesn’t even know that it was marinette and adrien 😭
the way time travel works in miraculous (at least in that episode) is that when you make a change, it overwrites history, even if the change now has no reason to exist (eg if gabriel gave himself the knowledge of how to repair the peacock miraculous, he wouldnt fight lb and cn, so he wouldnt get the rabbit and wouldnt make the change, but him giving the usb to his past self still happens to prevent a paradox) so fu could've just given the miraculous to someone else, and while it would rewrite reality, it would be a better reality
if you think about it Su-Han has that techinque to not get akumatize,you know how helpfull that could be and that could have ended the secret identies crap
The guardians just like drama
And I’m curious why the guardians have to pick teenagers for this? It’ll honestly be nice to see adult superheroes, who are picked to be miraculous holders in the show, like I can see them being parental figures towards the young superheroes (E.g. Cat Noir, Ladybug, etc)
So if I'm right Master Fu chose Marinette and Adrien to be the heroes because of this
He chose Marinette because she saved him last second from the car on the street
And Adrian helped him up after he pretended to have fallen down
And apparently that's all it took to pass the test
That's all it took to prove that they were the chosen ones
So let me get this straight to be given extreme great power to become a superhero you just have to do something as simple as help this woman rake up her leaves or say bless you to someone who just sneezed ( hey that rhymes)
It just doesn't make sense to me that to be given superpowers you just have to do a simple Good deed
By that logic I would have been a miraculous God
So Master Fu chose Adrian because he helped him up off the ground
But what if Chloe helped him up or what if Lila helped him up what if Gabriel helped him up would he have done the same thing
@@bobbydenney8368 One good deed doesn’t make somebody a saint as there are some people who aren’t good but are willing to help people at times.
@@LegitMay exactly that's what I'm saying
@@bobbydenney8368 It makes me wonder why Master Fu didn’t choose adults for the job.
@@LegitMay I also feel like maybe he chose teenagers because if you think about it
If he chose teenagers to be superheroes they would be superheroes for a lot longer
Glad someone finally brought up genocide for a riceball. Talk about a dark twist. Try rationalizing how someone with Fu's track record survived WW2 Nazis when the Reich activly sought items of the occult. Could u imagine in this world Fu failing and loosing all the Miraculous to Hitler? That wouldn't have ended well, but if they went with a more adult take on Ladybug that would be a great 3-5 episode mini arc, or even a whole season...
This is why historical shit in your fiction is a bad idea.
@@eatatjoes6751 LOL
i do enjoy the writing of this show continually forgetting parts of the story, because when people remember that part, they look infinitely worse as a result of their inaction in places they should be involved
It’s amazing how a show that was once beloved and adored by many is now hated by a lot of people. Even people who liked this show started hating it. It’s like the Loud House all over again.
Maybe the guardians was a new thing when Fu join and basically end when Fu destroyed the temple.
Quick debate: which miraculous would win? The ox or the monkey?
Edit: they have the same amount of experience
it just sounds like they would nullify each other, so it comes down to weapons, and hammer > stick
Actually they were 13 when the show started! Adrien turned 14 in the Bubbler and Marinette turned 14 in Befana
Most incompetent, probably, most immoral organisation? On this planet earth? Yea no mate, the gardians have to try a LOT harder to get that title.
I just realised smth master fu could have just used the time travelling miraculous and pervert the whole temple thing from happening -💀
Look mates, this is my opinion. Fu was a good guardian. I mean, wtf can you expect from a child... He was so young and innocent at the time he made his mistake. He could have used the other miraculous for evil and took over the world. He had them
ladybug and cat miraculous, he could have made a wish but he didn't. He tried transforming with Wayzz to fight even though he was almost at his last breath. He was always kind and friendly with Marinette and Adrien and gave them good training. Marinette was an amazing ladybug and so was Adrien as Cat Noir, age is just a number, the guardians must be able to sense good people as they have powers and magic canes... I miss Fu and hope he comes back, but yeah, I disagree. Age is just a number and the superheroes are invulnerable regardless of age...
I’m sorry, I disagree. True, Master Fu is kind, and I do not blame him for destroying the temple, since he was very young back then. But his flaws outweigh his positive qualities.
Firstly, he showed favouritism among his students. Adrien was deserving of teaching just as much as Marinette, maybe even more so, since his power can actively hurt people, and Master Fu just ignores him in favour of Marinette.
Master Fu does not have powers, he was a still trainee, so I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have a magic cane either. He willingly chose two impressionable teenagers to fulfill a daunting task, based on them just being decent human beings and not on their hero qualities.
I’m sorry, but age does matter in this occasion. It is true that people of ages can make mistakes, but there’s still consequences for giving such power to children, who are still developing mentally and emotionally. This is proven, when both Ladybug and Chat Noir misused their powers in selfish ways, and neither of them were disciplined for it. And it’s not like there are no kind and heroic adults in Paris, Marinette’s mom would’ve made a perfect Ladybug.
And lastly, the worst thing he has done, something I cannot forgive him for, is that he basically dumped a whole lot of pressure on Marinette, by giving her the Guardian role. He did the same thing that the Order of the Guardians did to him as a kid; giving him an impossible task that he did not want nor is ready for. He forced Marinette to take a job at such a young age, and look where it got her. Plus, she can’t pass it down, or else she’ll lose all her memories.
You are allowed to like Master Fu, and I know this is your opinion, but this is mine. Master Fu was not a good Guardian.
I’d expect fu to not repeat the same mistake by giving literal 13 yr olds the most powerful miraculous. Age does matter in this situation, especially since they’re under the age of 15 💀 Now, If we look past that, he completely trusted two random people that he hasn’t even properly met yet and gave them two magical weapons, in which he doesn’t actually know if they’ll use it for the good. Would you trust a complete stranger (that is also a child) with your life just because they helped you up when you fell?
@@toastysweaters5692 Your opinion, I respect. But master Fu has a magic cane, that's a fact because in Furious Fu Suhan is after it. Who wouldn't use powers for selfish reasons now and then? 90 percent of the time those heroes saved Paris.
@@NarinDeliah At the end of the day mates, it's just a show. And age is just a number. Marinette and Adrien are the only people without alliances who Monarch cannot track. Thousands of times they have saved the world, and yet you think they are not the right holders. If they weren't, they would have lost long ago...
@@PancakeRights I mean, they did save the day a lot of times, but there are also occasions where they directly caused Paris’s downfall. Examples include Marinette causing Chat Blanc, and then later on, losing all the Miraculouses to Monarch. Chat Noir and Ladybug are fine heroes, but don’t pretend that they have not hurt Paris because of their incompetence once in a while.
Hm, interesting, fair and valid points and opinions, i wonder if this will ever be brought to attention?
You have a point about how Mirakungfu was a plot point that never went anywhere
It's not really a plot point to begin with
1:41 Actually, they were 13
Actually Fu actually knew that the future miraculous holders were gonna be teenagers becuz they legit time travelled to his past self and showed them as wielders who seem competent so ig Fu expected them to be teens and young which influenced his decsion making in giving the miraculous
Fu of the past did see Bug and Chat, but he didn't know their true identities, so it has nothing to do with it.
I completely got rid of the order of the guardians in my AU since it doesn't forward or improve the storyline whatsoever. After finishing my fanfic, I could conclude that having the miraculous be random artefacts doesn't harm the narrative.
i am literally obsessed with this show, when i first saw it it gave me a feeling inside my soul that was indescribable. When in the season 5 when ladybug found monarch and the fight took place my heart was racing and i was filled with excitement and anticipation it was so amazing, like a roller coaster ride!
I mean the worst guardian has got to Su Han, dude criticizes her harshly (At least Master Fu was nicer compare to this idiot.) He doesn't even HELP her fight against the villain and only returns at the start of Season 5 brutally blaming her for the Miraculous now in the wrong hands- at this I was close to exploding but thankfully Kitty Cat came to her defense or Ladybug finally got the courage to slap it back in his face that he should have helped her by doing his JOB as a guardian himself. (I don't remember much guys all I know was that Marinette was gonna get an earful of this guy by the time Season 4 ended.) The least thing he could do was thankfully say he was wrong to be so blunt with her to begin with! Love the apollogy but Dude.... THE MIRACULOUS AIN'T GONNA BE BACK IN THE RIGHTFUL GUARDIAN'S HANDS JUST BY ONE PERSON-- STOP BEING LAZY AND DO SOMETHING FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's the classic Miraculous case of "it worked until they actually made you stop and think about it". If we're ignoring the stuff about Nazis and the backstory of the order in Feast, then what you'd be left with is a secret organization that had its anonymity as its greatest asset. In season 2 things went south as Hawk Moth eventually concluded that there must be a Guardian due to the appearance of Rena Rouge and the power ups, and in season 3 Fu's attempt to come out of hiding to flee when Feast was after him ultimately lead to an increased interest in him from Hawk Moth. Ultimately he got defeated because of Ladybug 'openly' visiting him. When he publicly declared Ladybug the Guardian, he gave Shadow Moth a bigger incentive to hunt down Ladybug and painted a big bullseye on her back, which Felix eventually went for and got the Order in the trouble it is now.
That in and of itself makes some sense, the Guardians not really making that many appearances throughout history because it comes back to bite them in the end. The problem is that the story from season 3 onwards has included evidence for the Order not being all that hidden (even if they might still not have been that known). Just the fact that an entire exhibit in the museum is filled with exclusively Miraculous holders (with there being no way they did that on purpose since Alya was the first to discover that after the fact) tells us that they were perfectly fine with going into the world and meddling by giving Miraculous powers. The problem with this is that, as you've demonstrated, this implies that they have had a specific reason not to intervene in some past events. It implies that they have a protocol to choose new holders, and it implies that they sometimes hand out Miraculous all willy nilly (since a good chunk of these were given to famous historical figures who are implied to have become famous only because of the Miraculous).
Basically, the fact that they sometimes do things and other times just let it all happen makes it hard to believe that they're handling from some sort of moral code instead of doing stuff just for kicks
I blame plot armor, Mary Sue-ism and misandry on Thomas Astruc's part. And we're supposed to be okay eith it because Thomas Astruc is God in the Miraculous universe. If there isa God in Miraculous Ladybug, then he sure as fuck ain't a merciful one.
Its probably the blinding anxiety and panic every new guardian goes through when they get the box in their possession.
But, the guardians aren't the only ones acting weird. Anybody else notice how Tikki's been acting towards Marinette in Seasons 4 and 5?
in what way?
@@yuligarciaa, did you notice that Tikki hadn't told Marinette what the kwagatama (I think that's how spelled.) could do until after she lost the miraculous? She could've used the guidance, you know.
@@MelodyMeadows11037 How is that 'acting weird'? I'm not sure what you're insinuating, but at the time, Marinette had Master Fu as her mentor. That's probably the reason Tikki didn't tell Marinette about what her gift could be used for.
Can you stop giving hates to this animation? This animation has done its best. It has thousands of different topics. However, you still say that the story of this animation has no meaning. Your opinion is really nonsense. Be fair.
I think Su Han will have a bigger role than before
Being a guardian sounds like it sucks they look like they have good intentions but yeah I agree that they are incompetent as hell or at the very least most of them don't know what the actual fuck they are doing
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What I wanted from the guardians was for them to be a more neutrsl group in the grandscheme of things for them to only get involved in things dealing with the miraculous to ensure the world goes smoothly.
I was envisioning them like cap at the end of endgame where he sat out of world events to not change things and cause a ripple effect that might make things worse. But then when you hear about them giving out miraculous to all these people it feels so stupid
The Miraculous Guardians and Jedi Order are pretty similar under your comparison
Best way to counter memory loss. Use tge rooster with tge ability to restore lost memories. Eat it miracle box rules!
Something that bugged me about the origins is that Fu recognizes that Hawkmoth was causing chaos in an attempt to get the ladybug and cat Miraculous into circulation. If he knew that why would he send out the cat? I get why he would send out the ladybug since it's needed to purify the akuma, but why not give her a fox or bee partner instead? There's nothing special enough about the cat that makes it worth the risk of using it alongside the ladybug when they are Hawkmoth's goal. Adrian would have rocked the bee and they would both be insects! Or it could has still have been Chloe and the writers could have played with the angst of realizing that the partner you fight with and trust with your life is the same person who has bullied you for YEARS. This shit writes itself
There needs to be a video on how CatNoir whould be a better gaurdian.
Yes I agree 😊❤