'Sofagate': Brussels' anger over von der Leyen Turkey chair snub | DW News
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The European Commission on Wednesday reproached Ankara after its chief Ursula von der Leyen found there was no chair for her as the Turkish president sat down to talk to her male colleague Charles Michel.
The incident was quickly dubbed "sofagate," with observers saying the Commission president had been a victim of sexism and treated like a second-rank official.
Von der Leyen was in Ankara with European Council President Charles Michel, to speak to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Footage showed Von der Leyen gesture in disbelief and utter a surprised "ähm" as Erdogan and Michel took the two center-stage seats that had been prepared.
The Commission head was instead forced to sit on an adjacent sofa, slightly further away from her male counterparts.
She was seated opposite the Turkish foreign minister, who would normally be considered below her in the protocol pecking order.
As president of the European Commission, von der Leyen is head of the EU executive, while, as European Council president, Charles Michel coordinates between the leaders of the EU member states, especially during summits. If anything, von der Leyen's post is considered the more senior and important.
Brussels expects both to be treated with the protocol that would be reserved for a head of government.
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#SofaGate #VonDerLeyen #Turkey
Ursula: "ehm..?"
The guys: "yes, two sugars please".
Dead
Çay
Made my day...
ÇAY
😂🤣
Ursula : ehm
Erdogan : tea please
I didm't get
loooool
Best
Roflmao
Der Spiegel wrote the facts behind the scenes: It was a protocol suggested to Turkey by Michel's protocol team. BBC: "The protocol at the presidency met the demands of the EU side. In other words, the seating arrangement was designed to meet their demands and suggestions," Turkey's FM said. In other words: It is a crisis inside EU between Leyen and Michel.
Ursula:ehemm!
Michel: I think I know her from somewhere.
Hahaha
Ursula: Where is my chair?
Erdogan: Where is my sandwich?
At least she was allowed to seat on the sofa.
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W dipie...
😂😂😂
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The internet memes of this will be fun!
EHM what meme ??
there are not many and they are bad... so no hype
@@hoebertrabeck1621 Not at all! They are suuuuperb! There was one with Michel and Tayip sitting and Ursula belly dancing in front of them! Hilarious! But the one I loved was Ursula walking in and carrying her own chair, a camping type one! LOL! Hilarious. She deserved it, both herself and the EU. You know why? Because they tolerate Turks doing so. So yes, Turks are right, Ursula and the EU is wrong to moan. A self-respecting diplomat simply walks out and returns only when the situation is properly addressed and the opponent sorts out his act.
@@dinos9607 you deserved a million hugs
True
It was a career defining moment for Charles Michel and he failed it.
I completely agree Antonio!
@Je suis non binaire Monsieur yes while trying to explain to the Turkish dictator that Europe values gender identity since it was one of the issues discussed during that same meeting. What he did was the most idiotic non-reaction one could think of.
@Je suis non binaire Monsieur He weakened the EU. He saw it being insulted and diminished through one of its main officials and did absolutely nothing. Considering that questions of gender were on the table during that meeting....
@@martasampaio9134 well said
Sucks, cause the dude was doing quite well so far in my opinion
If Turkey short on chairs, at least Michel should have given up his chair to the senior lady.
No , he was ahead of here so I believe he done the right thing! Why would he give her his chair? Plus, by the Look of it Mr Erdogan doesn’t want to sit next her 😆
@@thecomebackking737 You re not serious, are you? Or are you seriously asking why he should have given up his chair???
1. Common courtesy
2. Solidarity
3. She’s senior to him
4. He should have literally a STAND against the broader issues on display here: not providing a seat for her is an inherent insult against the EU.
5. And most importantly, within the context of Turkey going backwards in time and more and more officially trying to take away any rights women might have achieved over the last decades, Erdogan was trying to show von der Leyen „her place“ = women have to be at a distance from the men center -stage, away from Power, they’re beneath men, they not or less worthy, and more medieval thinking along these lines.
His standing up and offering her the seat would have smashed Erdogans entire bs theatre.
Are these enough reasons for you??
And Erdogan doesn’t like it? Tough. Bad enough, that half of his country support him cementing his evil religio-fascism and personal power grab.
He should not be able to use the EU as props!
@@petitwhite6366 Then Erdogan and Michel are masochists for choosing chairs over a comfy sofa?😂
that would happen if there were two turkish visitors, they make sure they offer the seat in the bus
@@goodvibes5220 what are you mumbling abt. May be turkey was expecting one on one discussion.
May be didn't expect 2 people to come.
It must be a miscommunication.
I don't understand why this Michel guy didn't stand up and give von der Leyen his chair. That would have solved the whole thing.
@Sylvester R Agreed!
Something about the patriarchy.
Why should he? If gender no longer matters & women & men are the "same", there's no reason for him to give up his chair. It's not the military. She doesn't out-rank him. Consequences of the PC world.
because european union=coward and fail
he knows he will be in her job very soon that`s why.
The EU should throttle down the money flow to zero anyway.
Who cares at this point
@Selma Adela Turkey got 4.5 billion euros from the EU in the last 6 years.
I have heard there is a chair shortage in turkey but a surplus of ottomans
As silly as this may seem, this was a blatant show of disrespect. Call it misogyny, call it what you will, but this was an incredibly dumb move by the Turkish government. Don't think it wasn't done on purpose.
Erdogan might have learned this when he went to Russia and had to wait for hours to meet with Putin, while facing a painting of Catherine the Great defeating the Ottomans in the late 1700s. 🤣
@@focast1825 Hahahahahahaha
@@focast1825 Yeah, I saw it too. This was so good.
@@focast1825 That was after Turkey shot down a fighter jet in Syria, Imagine if It was an European country that shot down the jet ,Paris would be a city of Russian federation.
Michael should have waited for another chair to be brought before seating.
Or ask Erdy to be a good host and move his butt...
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
@@theancientsancients1769 Just out of curiosity... Since in democracy I elect somebody and then that person votes against a law that is put in place... Does that mean that the law that only represents the bureaucracy can be ignored from my side as it contradicts the opinion of the person that represents the elected part? :)
The Turkish foreign minister was also sitting on a couch, so where's the problem?
„Michael‘s behaviour reflects a huge problem of women’s right in European countries.“ This is always the way how a western country judges the rest of the world.
Von der Leyen :" Aähhhhmm."
Erdogan:" Not ÄÄhhhmm, go and make me a Sandwich."
So basically Erdogan and Michael just like : *You seat on the floor or at the sofa woman* , *choose wisely*
Lol
Next time Erdogan comes to Brussels, they can sit him on a sofa nearby, I suppose that won't provoke any anger.
😂😂😂
Following social distancing protocol, the eurocrats themselves imposed on their populations.
Sofa or chair, I would rather sit in a sofa. Overpaid paper pushers trying to pump up the jam over nothing.
Just rewrite the script, eurocrat were given honorary seat in the sofa. Just like they rewrote democracy with the Lisbon treaty. "Vote as we want plebs, or we vote for you".
Michel definitely thought about pointing out the obvious and request an extra chair, but I guess he didn't have the guts to insult the sultan (!) so he just went with the flow like a good EU representative. I mean it's obvious that they go out their way to sustain their already deteriorating relations with Turkey.
"Please, take a seat."
"Ehm... There are only two seats, and you're both sitting in them."
"Actually, there are two extra here."
In the White House it would be starting because there is only one armchair ...
Michel threats like he came with his wife.
“threats” against whom, "@@mouqarnasdesign9607"???
@@mouqarnasdesign9607 No, he treated her like an equal; if she cannot handle a seating arrangement gone wrong by the EU Protocol Team, that's her problem.
Such a seating arrangement has been arranged upon the suggestions of the EU.These cheap manipulations is not working anymore
don't tell the westerners anything like context. they will call you a racist homophobe transphobe fascist.
Don't make it a issue even Turkish foreign minister sit on the sofa show the full image of the room.
The President of the EU Commision outranks any foreign minister, She is an equal the President of the Council who grabbed the chair, that's the reason for the outcry.
@@martasampaio9134 But who chosed Von Der leyen? Nobody in Europe elected her to represent them, she is a pupet of the highest financial elites... She does not represent us and the same goes for Junker when he was in her place...
@@paikuhansensei815 She was elected by the EU Council and ractified by the European Parliament. Many of the highest public representatives around the world are elected indirectly. The President of Germany is elected by the Bundestag, the president of Switzerland by the Federal Assembly, the president of Italy by an electoral college, etc. They all can be called to make very decisive political decisions and their democratic legitimacy was never put in question.
@@martasampaio9134 in what world is some random lady more important than his own country that's ridiculous
Exactly!
This wouldn’t have happened or at least remedied quickly, if she was a man.
Absolutely
It was a power play by Turkey and they won
yeah the cute woman on the right is crying too... oh wait its a man.
TIL other guy on the opposite sofa is actually a female! Honestly the western media does its Job really good...
@@hiikinito2277 and who is the other guy? is he someone important in turkey? Von der leyen is the president of the european commission and Michel is the president of the european council. They have the same importance and erdogan even treated them as such before, when they were both males (in 2015, search it up). so yeah he just doesn't see women in power as their male equivalents
EU admitted that this protocol was their request.
Source?
@@bostaurus1 Just google it. İt may be more difficult to find since an opportunity to attack Erdoğan is precious for Europeans.
Apparently this was Michel's trick for Ursula Von Der Leyen
@@ea4571 why would Michel do that though, vdl has alot of connections they probably won't renew his term it's only three years
Yeah right, I really can imagine Erdogan's staff doing what EU officials ask them to do in their own "house". And past encounters of this kind have shown 3 chairs in the front, so your statement is wrong and you are just an Erdogan fan.
@@joaoconceicao3964 You are obviously clueless, you shouldn't worry about things in general.
WOMEN: This is an example how women are treated in Turkey! I believe there is better options of countries to be visited!
Have you visited Turkey before? If yes , how long?
@@thecomebackking737 Numbers don't lie.
Abiel Zakarias I have already visited several times! But your president is a bad example!
@@JAMESBOND-cu3ti you are big ignorant. Women or men equal. Why bring opposite to women? Ursula= Minister Michel= president diplomacy. No interest men or women.
The chair-man has not done his job properly.
he followed his instructions to the letter :)
Sofaman
Germany 🇩🇪 is the best friend Turkey has in EU.
The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...
That pathetic dude of the EU on the left (0:40) does not have the balls to correct the situation... What a little man.
@timtommersen It goes to show how the EU views Turkey. They acknowledge that they are in a 'grey zone area', where european norms are blurred, and free speech may not be always welcome. In such cases, it is common practice to be as politically correct as possible for the sake of good foreign relations. Of course Turkey and every other 'Turkey' feeds from that.
He is actually pretty BADASS.
But MORE SHAME TO EU guy who just sat down and the way he sat down was like teenager NOT high level diplomat
he was happy to sit on the chair
@@jmalinowska9040 Who would not be happy to be a guest of Sultan Erdogan?
@@theancientsancients1769 you are right
why should he get up?
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
Actually the sofa is more comfortable than chairs 😁
Agreed tbh
Its only for 45 minutes. He tried to devalue her position.
You're missing the point, being facetious.
Turkiye knows exactly what they're doing. 😎
From where I see it the European guy was already sitting on the chair. It was his duty to move, but he didn't. So makes me wonder about his intention of not giving her seat
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 That makes it even more weirder. How is it Turkey's fault again?
@@theancientsancients1769 No, Von Der Leyen and Michel have equal powers, the EU burocratic system says so. That's the problem though, the EU doesn't have a defined head of state and therefore problems like this one are pretty common, when it comes to having a figure that clearly represents the Union.
Also, the fellow-commenters are claiming that it were the FrenchMAN's people who sent the seating-arrangement plan to the recently-restructured Turkish presidency, "@@nero9506".
What absolute uncouth ruffians.
A gentleman should always give up his seat for a lady.
This is appalling behaviour.
The "uncouth ruffian" here was Von Der Leyen who spread baseless rumours and lies about Turkey, and she thought she would be welcomed there? Of course not.
At this day and age , a gentleman giving up his seat for a lady is seen as sexist!
@@thecomebackking737 No, it isn’t. Courtesy always has a place. Or call it solidarity in this case.
@Hamza ForChrist yeah, that’s bad enough. But allowing Erdogan to display such sexist, medieval thinking not only reflects badly on him and on Turkey, it also reflects badly on Michel, if he just lets it happen
@@goodvibes5220
She fights for gender equality, he would not give up the seat to another man. So he's treating her equal.
I am not surprised at all about how the Turkish side treated her, but I am really shocked about the way her European colleague couldn't care less about the way the Turkish treated her, that tells you a lot about how much the guy shares the Turkish point of view on women.
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LOL Charles Michael, who is responsible for this, he didnt allow 3 equal chairs in the protekol because he want try to humiliate her, I hope one day you will leave this fanatical perspective.
@O : I'm not wasting my time explaining anything to you.
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@@burakboylu3622 : Turkish guy calling somebody else "fanatical". Besides, it was in Turkish territory, the Turkish government decided the setup of the seating arrangements, not Charles Michel.
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@@s1gmundfr3ud it was a protocol set up by the eu.. why you bark like a dog from south america where human rights dont exist?
@San_Tiago Why do I have the feeling that you are a racist in real life ? Especially towards Turks . I'm guessing
Now this is an issue that feminists should really care and talk about. Not some childrens books, movies and video games.
@@nobordersnowelfare7285 Then see what happened to these feminists camping in morrocco. Good riddance.
If she would had been placed according her competence and integrity, she would had taken a seat on the stairs outside.
And erdogan in a jail
@@onlydblack that was a poor attempt
@@nearpod5207 it's the truth, it doesn't matter if you like it or not.
@@onlydblack not really prove it please
RESPECT FOR ERDOGAN ✌️🇹🇷🇺🇦
Why sean michel did not gave ursula the chair to make a point of how important is she to the EU?
Because he is spineless and choose to undermine the more important institution of the EU, and at the same time insult more than half of tje population of the European Union, aligning himself with the.....turks!
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
There are hundred of thousands issues but news of chairs gone viral and should be resolved according to EU.
yes, indeed, you should be able to afford a couple of chairs as the turkish government, without it being a matter of international mockery
As a (supposed) European gentleman, Michel should have offered her the chair, and then stand staring Erdogan down until the 3rd chair was brought forward. No matter the protocol, any real European well-mannered man would do so.
Really? then the well-mannered European gentlemen would be accused of chivalry sexism because of offering a chair. Go to jail for having a dog and go to jail for not having a dog. This is a non issue. EU must get more important issues to deal with.
@@JonasPrudas von der Leyen is highest in rank here though.
@@AB-wl8kr maybe be higher in rank , but obviously no respect , you have to earn it
@@AR-gu2no This is a diplomatic setting, not primary school. It's just about following protocol and showing respect to create good working relationships, even if the other side doesn't really deserve it. If you can't leave such pettiness behind, you shouldn't be in this position.
Gentleman? No you want gentleman again??? Make up your mind with this equality thing
While your on your feet, get the coffee love, oh and a few Turkish delight as well.
loool
😂
They just want to play musical chairs😂
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The best comment :)
How to define EU ? EU is not a state ,isn't it ?
Well, he obviously impressed the incels and teenagers in this comment section with this truly statesman-like gesture.
Saying this guy runs a country sounds like a bad joke.
And trying to promote Van Leyen to that of a president level rep is a bad joke as well.
Let's face it....€U is not a state.
That's basically the sum up of what happened at the meeting.
erdogan: let's discuss this over lunch
* turns to Ursula * sandwitch?
Ursula: yes please.
erdogan: nonono, i meant can you make us some?
cringe
@@lucasrob98 No its LOL
I was surprised Erdogan didn’t offer her a seat but come to find out the seating arrangement was done by the EU.
Very subtle. Not the Turks I know. Suppose things have changed.
It's clearly EU fault not Turkey. But somehow every media try to blame Turkey on it. So which one between Ursula and Mic have higher hirarchy according to EU law ?
The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...
What a shame for the Europe to have politicians like this, during this tough times
Educate yourself she's a terrible human being
This is not even a real issue.
The protocol layout is set on the EU side. Turkey has nothing to do with the subject. In short, there is no protocol mistake.
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
@@theancientsancients1769 They say the two are equal in the news. Meanwhile error is happening in Turkey. However, Europe, Turkey show like monster. There's a lot of unnecessary slander
Corona virs distance 2 m
3 chairs = 6 meters distance. You mean to tell me the Turkish state doesn't have a room big enough?
@Jean Valjean I hear you. I hope so too. Turkey deserves to leap into the 21st century, socially and politically
Is she so stuck up that she thought the enormous sofa wasn’t good enough for her? The seating arrangement was socially distanced and whether she likes it or not she is not a head of state
She is more important than the other guy. The place besides erdogan was her place. This is a demonstration of his beliefs.
@@erminiaseverino7974 BS
EU is dumb. They were the ones who told staff about how should the protocol have been. Now they're pretending they got surprised
vdL: "Erm"
Erdogan: "On which lap you wanna sit, sweety?"
Well, it has nothing to do with the turkish govt, the. EU commission for foreign affairs has notified the protocols division in the turkish presidential palace that they need only one chair in the official meeting and turks did what they were asked to do.
"Well, looks like we're shy of one chair [hehehe]."
"You brought two too many..."
[Apologies to Sergio Leone]
why did she not sit in that chair? Nobody asked her not to.
That was with intention
the man on the right side is also sitting on a sofa. what's the problem? there is the corona virus and everybody should be 2 meters away from other people.
There's a huge difference in their status though. Imagine having the headmaster of a school ( not a great example but you get what I mean) sit side by side to students when another principal visits
its all perspective :-D a couch is very comfortable maybe a better choice. Note: In Europe kings sit on chairs. In Ottoman empire the sultan sit on a couch :-D
They just respected the protocol
This is a shameful act , not only on the Turkish side but also by the protocol offices of the EU. However, when the damage was done, Jean Michael should have offered his seat to Ms. von der Leyen! Not as EU president but as a true enlightened man! Gabriella Sipos, a Furious EU citizen
shush
RESPECT FOR ERDOGAN 🇹🇷
So is she a head of state or isn't she? And if she is, who elected her and how can the people hold her to account?
In the UK she is not even a diplomat anymore
I don`t like the EU and i took great pleasure in seeing that!
Von der Leyen represents everything that went wrong with the EU.
The lesson for EU officials must be: next time take with you a foldable chair to the countries deprived of basic furniture, hospitality and manners🙄
and two bullets
But Turkey I well known for beautiful manners and kind hospitality... and you can see they have nice furniture from this video. Something else was at work this time.
Under rated comment :)).
@@yes0r787 Well, this time Turkey has sent a clear signal to the world - the country couldn't afford whole three quality chairs🤷♀️
@Aedin Ridmash Yeah, but there's another shortage - Turkey still cannot afford a sofa for its president. Ok, life isn't easy nowadays everywhere, for everyone😦
do you guys aware of the concept of social distance ?
This is what THESE MEN THINK OF WOMEN. It is a reflection of the thoughts 💭 of women.
Exactly
or they just dont like EU
He could have asked if she'd be more comfortable waiting in the kitchen.
Equal opportunity means she could have rushed to the chair first.
It's just an honest mistake. You're over thinking
It is EU protocol nothing about Turkey.
I would rather sit on a sofa than a chair...
As a Turkish citizen I feel ashamed.
The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...
😂😂😂 Shows how important they think you are 😂😂😂😂
its Not a matter of thinking. Shes one of the Most Powerful women in the World, way more Powerful than Erdogan. But since Shes Not a Dictator, She dint threat him or anything.
Well EU has no intention of giving turkey place in EU... maybe that's the joke
Lol EU guy supported Turkish over EU lady lol
First of all Let’s just stop diplomatic relation with Turkey ...
Turkey hate double atandarf Europeans and now u must beg turkey
Ursula was expected to do a belly dance for men, that's why there was no chair.
Uh-huh?!?
She is no foreign leader at all. The e.u. is no country on its own.
Well this sums up how we feel about her
Erdogan wanted to know why they brought their own tea lady....
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
She should have walked away but then men would say she was emotional!
Of course she shouldn't...
Why didn’t the guy sitting next to Erdogan offer her his seat if it was such a big deal? He didn’t think so as he saw she had a whole sofa to sit on
Thank God they didn't ask her to make pasta for them
She is a bad cook anyway!
it's Erdogan's message "You belong to the kitchen, like my wife!"
No . His voice was that lady should be seated where she belongs. If that so what ur telling then look Ak party has much women members then others .
Der Spiegel wrote the facts behind the scenes: It was a protocol suggested to Turkey by Michel's protocol team. BBC: "The protocol at the presidency met the demands of the EU side. In other words, the seating arrangement was designed to meet their demands and suggestions," Turkey's FM said. In other words: It is a crisis inside EU between Leyen and Michel.
Michel did not act like a gentleman!
It was straight forward. Your a woman and your not equal. I’d be pissed as a woman.
Giving up the chair because she's a women isn't equality.
@@Robert-cu9bm I’m sorry I don’t understand what your meaning. Nobody gave a chair up for her.
@@Tammissa
If they gave up a chair JUST because she's a 'women', that's not equality.
Which is what your advocating for, give up the chair because she's a 'women'.
You want "equality" that comes with giving up the benefits that are only given to women.
i can't stand von der leyen, but bruh, that was rude
She seems a poor leader at the moment, but That was a deliberate, calculated slap in her face, and the EU’s face.
Give them benefits of doubt. At the end they said it was according to EU suggestions. Meaning it should have been the EU guy who should have offered the seat
Absolutely not. Sexism at it's best -- you want equality when it suits you, but play the damsel in distress on the next turn - sorry, can't have it both ways.
Ursula: Ehm!!!
Erdogan: French Vanilla..
Other dude: Hot Chocolate...
Once we went to war over a bucket! We may have progressed to sofas!
LoL best analisis so far 😂 thanks
It really doesn't matter anyways, the EU knows little about diplomacy working both ways.
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
@@theancientsancients1769 Too many cooks, one of them is not needed. Personally I thinl neither are needed, waste in the EU is excessive and obscene.
Lol you can almost cut through the tensions and awkwardness of that instance w a knife XD
Literal?
@@maazkalim yes awkwarfness is something that goes well on butterbrot ;) that awkwardness produced might feed yemen
Well if she's able to incite to wars and armed conflicts she may as well be able to bring her own chair. God, I hate this woman.
"SOCIAL DISTANCING" 🤔
Von der Leyen has been demoted to coach potato
It was equality because cavusoglu also sat on the couch, it had nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman, but her position
Sit on that lap
Sexist or mistake, either way it is stupidly wrong.
Power play the EU needs Turkey to be nice more than Turkey needs the EU and Turkey was happy to explain that to them
@@graveperil2169 That's not explaining, only showing in a very rude and uncivilized way !
The fact is that in Turkey women are sitting in the kitchen, And she had give tea to two men...
where did you get that wrong information
The Ruler of Europe should not be treated like this.
she did get a chair it was in the kitchen
It is hilarious to watch this in 2022 😂
Shameful.......no matter the reason.....it speaks volumes😂
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
well nothing surprising from Erdogan but Michel had the chance to show a real respekt. He totally failed. Such a shame
She is insignificant 🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣