'Sofagate': Brussels' anger over von der Leyen Turkey chair snub | DW News

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  • The European Commission on Wednesday reproached Ankara after its chief Ursula von der Leyen found there was no chair for her as the Turkish president sat down to talk to her male colleague Charles Michel.
    The incident was quickly dubbed "sofagate," with observers saying the Commission president had been a victim of sexism and treated like a second-rank official.
    Von der Leyen was in Ankara with European Council President Charles Michel, to speak to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    Footage showed Von der Leyen gesture in disbelief and utter a surprised "ähm" as Erdogan and Michel took the two center-stage seats that had been prepared.
    The Commission head was instead forced to sit on an adjacent sofa, slightly further away from her male counterparts.
    She was seated opposite the Turkish foreign minister, who would normally be considered below her in the protocol pecking order.
    As president of the European Commission, von der Leyen is head of the EU executive, while, as European Council president, Charles Michel coordinates between the leaders of the EU member states, especially during summits. If anything, von der Leyen's post is considered the more senior and important.
    Brussels expects both to be treated with the protocol that would be reserved for a head of government.
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Комментарии • 1,4 тыс.

  • @Kruse1
    @Kruse1 3 года назад +956

    Ursula: "ehm..?"
    The guys: "yes, two sugars please".

  • @imazikyt8904
    @imazikyt8904 3 года назад +674

    Ursula : ehm
    Erdogan : tea please

    • @Kenji17171
      @Kenji17171 3 года назад

      I didm't get

    • @MoroccanAnwar
      @MoroccanAnwar 3 года назад +4

      loooool

    • @herroherrarlee6769
      @herroherrarlee6769 3 года назад +4

      Best

    • @artificialintelligence5414
      @artificialintelligence5414 3 года назад +4

      Roflmao

    • @enderkarsan
      @enderkarsan 3 года назад +15

      Der Spiegel wrote the facts behind the scenes: It was a protocol suggested to Turkey by Michel's protocol team. BBC: "The protocol at the presidency met the demands of the EU side. In other words, the seating arrangement was designed to meet their demands and suggestions," Turkey's FM said. In other words: It is a crisis inside EU between Leyen and Michel.

  • @mouqarnasdesign9607
    @mouqarnasdesign9607 3 года назад +63

    Ursula:ehemm!
    Michel: I think I know her from somewhere.

  • @gatoloco1873
    @gatoloco1873 3 года назад +256

    Ursula: Where is my chair?
    Erdogan: Where is my sandwich?

  • @RespectOthers1
    @RespectOthers1 3 года назад +578

    The internet memes of this will be fun!

    • @rbx22
      @rbx22 3 года назад +7

      EHM what meme ??

    • @hoebertrabeck1621
      @hoebertrabeck1621 3 года назад +2

      there are not many and they are bad... so no hype

    • @dinos9607
      @dinos9607 3 года назад +7

      @@hoebertrabeck1621 Not at all! They are suuuuperb! There was one with Michel and Tayip sitting and Ursula belly dancing in front of them! Hilarious! But the one I loved was Ursula walking in and carrying her own chair, a camping type one! LOL! Hilarious. She deserved it, both herself and the EU. You know why? Because they tolerate Turks doing so. So yes, Turks are right, Ursula and the EU is wrong to moan. A self-respecting diplomat simply walks out and returns only when the situation is properly addressed and the opponent sorts out his act.

    • @kciemimido962
      @kciemimido962 3 года назад +1

      @@dinos9607 you deserved a million hugs

    • @johnmario9034
      @johnmario9034 3 года назад +1

      True

  • @olivarionline
    @olivarionline 3 года назад +724

    It was a career defining moment for Charles Michel and he failed it.

    • @martasampaio9134
      @martasampaio9134 3 года назад +37

      I completely agree Antonio!

    • @olivarionline
      @olivarionline 3 года назад +93

      @Je suis non binaire Monsieur yes while trying to explain to the Turkish dictator that Europe values gender identity since it was one of the issues discussed during that same meeting. What he did was the most idiotic non-reaction one could think of.

    • @martasampaio9134
      @martasampaio9134 3 года назад +59

      @Je suis non binaire Monsieur He weakened the EU. He saw it being insulted and diminished through one of its main officials and did absolutely nothing. Considering that questions of gender were on the table during that meeting....

    • @olivarionline
      @olivarionline 3 года назад +9

      @@martasampaio9134 well said

    • @patrickbalkany7989
      @patrickbalkany7989 3 года назад +4

      Sucks, cause the dude was doing quite well so far in my opinion

  • @ina268
    @ina268 3 года назад +663

    If Turkey short on chairs, at least Michel should have given up his chair to the senior lady.

    • @thecomebackking737
      @thecomebackking737 3 года назад +22

      No , he was ahead of here so I believe he done the right thing! Why would he give her his chair? Plus, by the Look of it Mr Erdogan doesn’t want to sit next her 😆

    • @goodvibes5220
      @goodvibes5220 3 года назад +73

      @@thecomebackking737 You re not serious, are you? Or are you seriously asking why he should have given up his chair???
      1. Common courtesy
      2. Solidarity
      3. She’s senior to him
      4. He should have literally a STAND against the broader issues on display here: not providing a seat for her is an inherent insult against the EU.
      5. And most importantly, within the context of Turkey going backwards in time and more and more officially trying to take away any rights women might have achieved over the last decades, Erdogan was trying to show von der Leyen „her place“ = women have to be at a distance from the men center -stage, away from Power, they’re beneath men, they not or less worthy, and more medieval thinking along these lines.
      His standing up and offering her the seat would have smashed Erdogans entire bs theatre.
      Are these enough reasons for you??
      And Erdogan doesn’t like it? Tough. Bad enough, that half of his country support him cementing his evil religio-fascism and personal power grab.
      He should not be able to use the EU as props!

    • @ina268
      @ina268 3 года назад +7

      @@petitwhite6366 Then Erdogan and Michel are masochists for choosing chairs over a comfy sofa?😂

    • @LenaLena-ui1pk
      @LenaLena-ui1pk 3 года назад +1

      that would happen if there were two turkish visitors, they make sure they offer the seat in the bus

    • @zulkanainbaharuddin2185
      @zulkanainbaharuddin2185 3 года назад +3

      @@goodvibes5220 what are you mumbling abt. May be turkey was expecting one on one discussion.
      May be didn't expect 2 people to come.
      It must be a miscommunication.

  • @fredmidtgaard5487
    @fredmidtgaard5487 3 года назад +527

    I don't understand why this Michel guy didn't stand up and give von der Leyen his chair. That would have solved the whole thing.

    • @fredmidtgaard5487
      @fredmidtgaard5487 3 года назад +15

      @Sylvester R Agreed!

    • @jps0117
      @jps0117 3 года назад +16

      Something about the patriarchy.

    • @cubsfan910
      @cubsfan910 3 года назад +141

      Why should he? If gender no longer matters & women & men are the "same", there's no reason for him to give up his chair. It's not the military. She doesn't out-rank him. Consequences of the PC world.

    • @vkobevk
      @vkobevk 3 года назад +17

      because european union=coward and fail

    • @stocko5448
      @stocko5448 3 года назад +3

      he knows he will be in her job very soon that`s why.

  • @furzkram
    @furzkram 3 года назад +80

    The EU should throttle down the money flow to zero anyway.

    • @User-iq4rw
      @User-iq4rw 3 года назад +1

      Who cares at this point

    • @fetusofetuso2122
      @fetusofetuso2122 3 года назад +2

      @Selma Adela Turkey got 4.5 billion euros from the EU in the last 6 years.

  • @jmus6494
    @jmus6494 3 года назад +52

    I have heard there is a chair shortage in turkey but a surplus of ottomans

  • @jasonkennedy3666
    @jasonkennedy3666 3 года назад +35

    As silly as this may seem, this was a blatant show of disrespect. Call it misogyny, call it what you will, but this was an incredibly dumb move by the Turkish government. Don't think it wasn't done on purpose.

    • @focast1825
      @focast1825 3 года назад +14

      Erdogan might have learned this when he went to Russia and had to wait for hours to meet with Putin, while facing a painting of Catherine the Great defeating the Ottomans in the late 1700s. 🤣

    • @absoluteunit3885
      @absoluteunit3885 3 года назад +5

      @@focast1825 Hahahahahahaha

    • @calmondey4214
      @calmondey4214 3 года назад +3

      @@focast1825 Yeah, I saw it too. This was so good.

    • @mohammedbaouaisse590
      @mohammedbaouaisse590 3 года назад +3

      @@focast1825 That was after Turkey shot down a fighter jet in Syria, Imagine if It was an European country that shot down the jet ,Paris would be a city of Russian federation.

  • @mrcsanselmo
    @mrcsanselmo 3 года назад +161

    Michael should have waited for another chair to be brought before seating.

    • @DerDoMeN
      @DerDoMeN 3 года назад +10

      Or ask Erdy to be a good host and move his butt...

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад +2

      Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.

    • @DerDoMeN
      @DerDoMeN 3 года назад

      @@theancientsancients1769 Just out of curiosity... Since in democracy I elect somebody and then that person votes against a law that is put in place... Does that mean that the law that only represents the bureaucracy can be ignored from my side as it contradicts the opinion of the person that represents the elected part? :)

    • @ludgerwinterfanboy4547
      @ludgerwinterfanboy4547 3 года назад +11

      The Turkish foreign minister was also sitting on a couch, so where's the problem?

    • @Kleinlew
      @Kleinlew 3 года назад +3

      „Michael‘s behaviour reflects a huge problem of women’s right in European countries.“ This is always the way how a western country judges the rest of the world.

  • @bigmac3193
    @bigmac3193 3 года назад +26

    Von der Leyen :" Aähhhhmm."
    Erdogan:" Not ÄÄhhhmm, go and make me a Sandwich."

  • @GuderII
    @GuderII 3 года назад +151

    So basically Erdogan and Michael just like : *You seat on the floor or at the sofa woman* , *choose wisely*

    • @lovemamahouse
      @lovemamahouse 3 года назад

      Lol

    • @fetusofetuso2122
      @fetusofetuso2122 3 года назад +2

      Next time Erdogan comes to Brussels, they can sit him on a sofa nearby, I suppose that won't provoke any anger.

    • @asena2180
      @asena2180 3 года назад

      😂😂😂

    • @erbterb
      @erbterb 3 года назад +1

      Following social distancing protocol, the eurocrats themselves imposed on their populations.
      Sofa or chair, I would rather sit in a sofa. Overpaid paper pushers trying to pump up the jam over nothing.
      Just rewrite the script, eurocrat were given honorary seat in the sofa. Just like they rewrote democracy with the Lisbon treaty. "Vote as we want plebs, or we vote for you".

  • @edsed9290
    @edsed9290 3 года назад +16

    Michel definitely thought about pointing out the obvious and request an extra chair, but I guess he didn't have the guts to insult the sultan (!) so he just went with the flow like a good EU representative. I mean it's obvious that they go out their way to sustain their already deteriorating relations with Turkey.

  • @nyx211
    @nyx211 3 года назад +121

    "Please, take a seat."
    "Ehm... There are only two seats, and you're both sitting in them."
    "Actually, there are two extra here."

    • @zbigniewsiarkiewicz438
      @zbigniewsiarkiewicz438 3 года назад

      In the White House it would be starting because there is only one armchair ...

    • @mouqarnasdesign9607
      @mouqarnasdesign9607 3 года назад

      Michel threats like he came with his wife.

    • @maazkalim
      @maazkalim 3 года назад

      “threats” against whom, "@@mouqarnasdesign9607"???

    • @juicyfruit4378
      @juicyfruit4378 2 года назад +1

      @@mouqarnasdesign9607 No, he treated her like an equal; if she cannot handle a seating arrangement gone wrong by the EU Protocol Team, that's her problem.

  • @muratsevimcok2650
    @muratsevimcok2650 3 года назад +40

    Such a seating arrangement has been arranged upon the suggestions of the EU.These cheap manipulations is not working anymore

    • @kokojambo4944
      @kokojambo4944 3 года назад +5

      don't tell the westerners anything like context. they will call you a racist homophobe transphobe fascist.

  • @alphaman7713
    @alphaman7713 3 года назад +16

    Don't make it a issue even Turkish foreign minister sit on the sofa show the full image of the room.

    • @martasampaio9134
      @martasampaio9134 3 года назад +8

      The President of the EU Commision outranks any foreign minister, She is an equal the President of the Council who grabbed the chair, that's the reason for the outcry.

    • @paikuhansensei815
      @paikuhansensei815 3 года назад +10

      @@martasampaio9134 But who chosed Von Der leyen? Nobody in Europe elected her to represent them, she is a pupet of the highest financial elites... She does not represent us and the same goes for Junker when he was in her place...

    • @martasampaio9134
      @martasampaio9134 3 года назад +4

      @@paikuhansensei815 She was elected by the EU Council and ractified by the European Parliament. Many of the highest public representatives around the world are elected indirectly. The President of Germany is elected by the Bundestag, the president of Switzerland by the Federal Assembly, the president of Italy by an electoral college, etc. They all can be called to make very decisive political decisions and their democratic legitimacy was never put in question.

    • @nearpod5207
      @nearpod5207 3 года назад +5

      @@martasampaio9134 in what world is some random lady more important than his own country that's ridiculous

    • @benansanlier4178
      @benansanlier4178 3 года назад +1

      Exactly!

  • @goodvibes5220
    @goodvibes5220 3 года назад +53

    This wouldn’t have happened or at least remedied quickly, if she was a man.

    • @guidosc3470
      @guidosc3470 3 года назад +7

      Absolutely

    • @graveperil2169
      @graveperil2169 3 года назад +5

      It was a power play by Turkey and they won

    • @hoebertrabeck1621
      @hoebertrabeck1621 3 года назад +5

      yeah the cute woman on the right is crying too... oh wait its a man.

    • @hiikinito2277
      @hiikinito2277 3 года назад +5

      TIL other guy on the opposite sofa is actually a female! Honestly the western media does its Job really good...

    • @pietrozaccherini8837
      @pietrozaccherini8837 3 года назад +4

      @@hiikinito2277 and who is the other guy? is he someone important in turkey? Von der leyen is the president of the european commission and Michel is the president of the european council. They have the same importance and erdogan even treated them as such before, when they were both males (in 2015, search it up). so yeah he just doesn't see women in power as their male equivalents

  • @ea4571
    @ea4571 3 года назад +37

    EU admitted that this protocol was their request.

    • @bostaurus1
      @bostaurus1 3 года назад +2

      Source?

    • @ea4571
      @ea4571 3 года назад +17

      @@bostaurus1 Just google it. İt may be more difficult to find since an opportunity to attack Erdoğan is precious for Europeans.
      Apparently this was Michel's trick for Ursula Von Der Leyen

    • @barnaby4232
      @barnaby4232 3 года назад +1

      @@ea4571 why would Michel do that though, vdl has alot of connections they probably won't renew his term it's only three years

    • @joaoconceicao3964
      @joaoconceicao3964 3 месяца назад

      Yeah right, I really can imagine Erdogan's staff doing what EU officials ask them to do in their own "house". And past encounters of this kind have shown 3 chairs in the front, so your statement is wrong and you are just an Erdogan fan.

    • @ea4571
      @ea4571 3 месяца назад

      @@joaoconceicao3964 You are obviously clueless, you shouldn't worry about things in general.

  • @JAMESBOND-cu3ti
    @JAMESBOND-cu3ti 3 года назад +16

    WOMEN: This is an example how women are treated in Turkey! I believe there is better options of countries to be visited!

    • @thecomebackking737
      @thecomebackking737 3 года назад

      Have you visited Turkey before? If yes , how long?

    • @FuriousImp
      @FuriousImp 3 года назад

      @@thecomebackking737 Numbers don't lie.

    • @JAMESBOND-cu3ti
      @JAMESBOND-cu3ti 3 года назад +3

      Abiel Zakarias I have already visited several times! But your president is a bad example!

    • @ramazanceylan366
      @ramazanceylan366 3 года назад

      @@JAMESBOND-cu3ti you are big ignorant. Women or men equal. Why bring opposite to women? Ursula= Minister Michel= president diplomacy. No interest men or women.

  • @clam4597
    @clam4597 3 года назад +86

    The chair-man has not done his job properly.

    • @graveperil2169
      @graveperil2169 3 года назад +11

      he followed his instructions to the letter :)

    • @jehu8822
      @jehu8822 3 года назад

      Sofaman

  • @pokerandtravel6946
    @pokerandtravel6946 3 года назад +2

    Germany 🇩🇪 is the best friend Turkey has in EU.

    • @sargent4465
      @sargent4465 3 года назад +1

      The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...

  • @DasGrosseFressen
    @DasGrosseFressen 3 года назад +50

    That pathetic dude of the EU on the left (0:40) does not have the balls to correct the situation... What a little man.

    • @edsed9290
      @edsed9290 3 года назад

      @timtommersen It goes to show how the EU views Turkey. They acknowledge that they are in a 'grey zone area', where european norms are blurred, and free speech may not be always welcome. In such cases, it is common practice to be as politically correct as possible for the sake of good foreign relations. Of course Turkey and every other 'Turkey' feeds from that.

    • @lucasgrey9794
      @lucasgrey9794 3 года назад +4

      He is actually pretty BADASS.

  • @AdamUFP
    @AdamUFP 3 года назад +52

    But MORE SHAME TO EU guy who just sat down and the way he sat down was like teenager NOT high level diplomat

    • @jmalinowska9040
      @jmalinowska9040 3 года назад +10

      he was happy to sit on the chair

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад +4

      @@jmalinowska9040 Who would not be happy to be a guest of Sultan Erdogan?

    • @jmalinowska9040
      @jmalinowska9040 3 года назад

      @@theancientsancients1769 you are right

    • @nearpod5207
      @nearpod5207 3 года назад +4

      why should he get up?

    • @ggoddkkiller1342
      @ggoddkkiller1342 3 года назад +2

      Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...

  • @saket174
    @saket174 3 года назад +21

    Actually the sofa is more comfortable than chairs 😁

    • @ryeryeryerye
      @ryeryeryerye 3 года назад +4

      Agreed tbh

    • @Guide4Ever
      @Guide4Ever 3 года назад +4

      Its only for 45 minutes. He tried to devalue her position.

    • @FuriousImp
      @FuriousImp 3 года назад +3

      You're missing the point, being facetious.

  • @FielValeryRTS
    @FielValeryRTS 2 года назад +13

    Turkiye knows exactly what they're doing. 😎

  • @ASK-ko9qx
    @ASK-ko9qx 3 года назад +65

    From where I see it the European guy was already sitting on the chair. It was his duty to move, but he didn't. So makes me wonder about his intention of not giving her seat

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад +6

      Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.

    • @ggoddkkiller1342
      @ggoddkkiller1342 3 года назад +3

      Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...

    • @ASK-ko9qx
      @ASK-ko9qx 3 года назад +3

      @@ggoddkkiller1342 That makes it even more weirder. How is it Turkey's fault again?

    • @nero9506
      @nero9506 3 года назад +4

      @@theancientsancients1769 No, Von Der Leyen and Michel have equal powers, the EU burocratic system says so. That's the problem though, the EU doesn't have a defined head of state and therefore problems like this one are pretty common, when it comes to having a figure that clearly represents the Union.

    • @maazkalim
      @maazkalim 3 года назад

      Also, the fellow-commenters are claiming that it were the FrenchMAN's people who sent the seating-arrangement plan to the recently-restructured Turkish presidency, "@@nero9506".

  • @habusake397
    @habusake397 3 года назад +21

    What absolute uncouth ruffians.
    A gentleman should always give up his seat for a lady.
    This is appalling behaviour.

    • @ninjamusic9554
      @ninjamusic9554 3 года назад +5

      The "uncouth ruffian" here was Von Der Leyen who spread baseless rumours and lies about Turkey, and she thought she would be welcomed there? Of course not.

    • @thecomebackking737
      @thecomebackking737 3 года назад +11

      At this day and age , a gentleman giving up his seat for a lady is seen as sexist!

    • @goodvibes5220
      @goodvibes5220 3 года назад +1

      @@thecomebackking737 No, it isn’t. Courtesy always has a place. Or call it solidarity in this case.

    • @goodvibes5220
      @goodvibes5220 3 года назад +4

      @Hamza ForChrist yeah, that’s bad enough. But allowing Erdogan to display such sexist, medieval thinking not only reflects badly on him and on Turkey, it also reflects badly on Michel, if he just lets it happen

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm 3 года назад +6

      @@goodvibes5220
      She fights for gender equality, he would not give up the seat to another man. So he's treating her equal.

  • @s1gmundfr3ud
    @s1gmundfr3ud 3 года назад +32

    I am not surprised at all about how the Turkish side treated her, but I am really shocked about the way her European colleague couldn't care less about the way the Turkish treated her, that tells you a lot about how much the guy shares the Turkish point of view on women.
    .

    • @burakboylu3622
      @burakboylu3622 3 года назад +5

      LOL Charles Michael, who is responsible for this, he didnt allow 3 equal chairs in the protekol because he want try to humiliate her, I hope one day you will leave this fanatical perspective.

    • @s1gmundfr3ud
      @s1gmundfr3ud 3 года назад

      @O : I'm not wasting my time explaining anything to you.
      .

    • @s1gmundfr3ud
      @s1gmundfr3ud 3 года назад

      @@burakboylu3622 : Turkish guy calling somebody else "fanatical". Besides, it was in Turkish territory, the Turkish government decided the setup of the seating arrangements, not Charles Michel.
      .

    • @selcuk32adana
      @selcuk32adana 2 года назад

      @@s1gmundfr3ud it was a protocol set up by the eu.. why you bark like a dog from south america where human rights dont exist?

    • @jaeger9374
      @jaeger9374 2 года назад

      @San_Tiago Why do I have the feeling that you are a racist in real life ? Especially towards Turks . I'm guessing

  • @marcomongke3116
    @marcomongke3116 3 года назад +13

    Now this is an issue that feminists should really care and talk about. Not some childrens books, movies and video games.

    • @AlexanderMatrix11111
      @AlexanderMatrix11111 3 года назад +2

      @@nobordersnowelfare7285 Then see what happened to these feminists camping in morrocco. Good riddance.

  • @user-pg9te8ug1j
    @user-pg9te8ug1j 3 года назад +9

    If she would had been placed according her competence and integrity, she would had taken a seat on the stairs outside.

    • @onlydblack
      @onlydblack 3 года назад +1

      And erdogan in a jail

    • @nearpod5207
      @nearpod5207 3 года назад +1

      @@onlydblack that was a poor attempt

    • @onlydblack
      @onlydblack 3 года назад

      @@nearpod5207 it's the truth, it doesn't matter if you like it or not.

    • @nearpod5207
      @nearpod5207 3 года назад +1

      @@onlydblack not really prove it please

  • @Cocker-Lilaa
    @Cocker-Lilaa 2 года назад +14

    RESPECT FOR ERDOGAN ✌️🇹🇷🇺🇦

  • @ramsayelias619
    @ramsayelias619 3 года назад +24

    Why sean michel did not gave ursula the chair to make a point of how important is she to the EU?

    • @martasampaio9134
      @martasampaio9134 3 года назад +8

      Because he is spineless and choose to undermine the more important institution of the EU, and at the same time insult more than half of tje population of the European Union, aligning himself with the.....turks!

    • @ggoddkkiller1342
      @ggoddkkiller1342 3 года назад +4

      Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...

  • @umarbaig007
    @umarbaig007 3 года назад +15

    There are hundred of thousands issues but news of chairs gone viral and should be resolved according to EU.

    • @fetusofetuso2122
      @fetusofetuso2122 3 года назад +2

      yes, indeed, you should be able to afford a couple of chairs as the turkish government, without it being a matter of international mockery

  • @SuperLeica1
    @SuperLeica1 3 года назад +24

    As a (supposed) European gentleman, Michel should have offered her the chair, and then stand staring Erdogan down until the 3rd chair was brought forward. No matter the protocol, any real European well-mannered man would do so.

    • @JonasPrudas
      @JonasPrudas 3 года назад +6

      Really? then the well-mannered European gentlemen would be accused of chivalry sexism because of offering a chair. Go to jail for having a dog and go to jail for not having a dog. This is a non issue. EU must get more important issues to deal with.

    • @AB-wl8kr
      @AB-wl8kr 2 года назад +2

      @@JonasPrudas von der Leyen is highest in rank here though.

    • @AR-gu2no
      @AR-gu2no 2 года назад

      @@AB-wl8kr maybe be higher in rank , but obviously no respect , you have to earn it

    • @AB-wl8kr
      @AB-wl8kr 2 года назад +2

      @@AR-gu2no This is a diplomatic setting, not primary school. It's just about following protocol and showing respect to create good working relationships, even if the other side doesn't really deserve it. If you can't leave such pettiness behind, you shouldn't be in this position.

    • @krazyhorze777
      @krazyhorze777 2 года назад +1

      Gentleman? No you want gentleman again??? Make up your mind with this equality thing

  • @magnuswalker7957
    @magnuswalker7957 3 года назад +162

    While your on your feet, get the coffee love, oh and a few Turkish delight as well.

  • @IsraIsra.
    @IsraIsra. 3 года назад +67

    They just want to play musical chairs😂

    • @jl240
      @jl240 3 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @eleafy
      @eleafy 3 года назад

      The best comment :)

  • @milenaosole3799
    @milenaosole3799 3 года назад +2

    How to define EU ? EU is not a state ,isn't it ?

  • @viktorg6823
    @viktorg6823 3 года назад +5

    Well, he obviously impressed the incels and teenagers in this comment section with this truly statesman-like gesture.
    Saying this guy runs a country sounds like a bad joke.

    • @juicyfruit4378
      @juicyfruit4378 2 года назад +1

      And trying to promote Van Leyen to that of a president level rep is a bad joke as well.

  • @INDIGOBLUE555
    @INDIGOBLUE555 3 года назад +10

    Let's face it....€U is not a state.
    That's basically the sum up of what happened at the meeting.

  • @Elementalism.
    @Elementalism. 3 года назад +20

    erdogan: let's discuss this over lunch
    * turns to Ursula * sandwitch?
    Ursula: yes please.
    erdogan: nonono, i meant can you make us some?

  • @BKLYNTURK1975
    @BKLYNTURK1975 3 года назад +23

    I was surprised Erdogan didn’t offer her a seat but come to find out the seating arrangement was done by the EU.

    • @mikep5609
      @mikep5609 3 года назад

      Very subtle. Not the Turks I know. Suppose things have changed.

  • @senoalamsyah7481
    @senoalamsyah7481 3 года назад +2

    It's clearly EU fault not Turkey. But somehow every media try to blame Turkey on it. So which one between Ursula and Mic have higher hirarchy according to EU law ?

    • @sargent4465
      @sargent4465 3 года назад

      The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...

  • @IrakliusMeursault
    @IrakliusMeursault 3 года назад +62

    What a shame for the Europe to have politicians like this, during this tough times

    • @Jakub.K0
      @Jakub.K0 Год назад +1

      Educate yourself she's a terrible human being

  • @manassurya2019
    @manassurya2019 3 года назад +2

    This is not even a real issue.

  • @metinbektas7656
    @metinbektas7656 3 года назад +4

    The protocol layout is set on the EU side. Turkey has nothing to do with the subject. In short, there is no protocol mistake.

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад

      Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.

    • @metinbektas7656
      @metinbektas7656 3 года назад

      @@theancientsancients1769 They say the two are equal in the news. Meanwhile error is happening in Turkey. However, Europe, Turkey show like monster. There's a lot of unnecessary slander

  • @THE_G-SPOT1
    @THE_G-SPOT1 3 года назад +61

    Corona virs distance 2 m

    • @fetusofetuso2122
      @fetusofetuso2122 3 года назад +1

      3 chairs = 6 meters distance. You mean to tell me the Turkish state doesn't have a room big enough?

    • @fetusofetuso2122
      @fetusofetuso2122 3 года назад

      @Jean Valjean I hear you. I hope so too. Turkey deserves to leap into the 21st century, socially and politically

  • @Baba-so6fh
    @Baba-so6fh 3 года назад +10

    Is she so stuck up that she thought the enormous sofa wasn’t good enough for her? The seating arrangement was socially distanced and whether she likes it or not she is not a head of state

    • @erminiaseverino7974
      @erminiaseverino7974 3 года назад +2

      She is more important than the other guy. The place besides erdogan was her place. This is a demonstration of his beliefs.

    • @ouzd.19
      @ouzd.19 3 года назад

      @@erminiaseverino7974 BS

  • @hhhson3622
    @hhhson3622 3 года назад +5

    EU is dumb. They were the ones who told staff about how should the protocol have been. Now they're pretending they got surprised

  • @danjomanjo2941
    @danjomanjo2941 3 года назад +9

    vdL: "Erm"
    Erdogan: "On which lap you wanna sit, sweety?"

  • @obadaodeh1625
    @obadaodeh1625 3 года назад +2

    Well, it has nothing to do with the turkish govt, the. EU commission for foreign affairs has notified the protocols division in the turkish presidential palace that they need only one chair in the official meeting and turks did what they were asked to do.

  • @NuGanjaTron
    @NuGanjaTron 3 года назад +7

    "Well, looks like we're shy of one chair [hehehe]."
    "You brought two too many..."
    [Apologies to Sergio Leone]

  • @prodigiii712
    @prodigiii712 2 года назад +1

    why did she not sit in that chair? Nobody asked her not to.

  • @stefanpetca5265
    @stefanpetca5265 3 года назад +7

    That was with intention

  • @nonymaanon1983
    @nonymaanon1983 3 года назад +11

    the man on the right side is also sitting on a sofa. what's the problem? there is the corona virus and everybody should be 2 meters away from other people.

    • @olgakasciara
      @olgakasciara 3 года назад +1

      There's a huge difference in their status though. Imagine having the headmaster of a school ( not a great example but you get what I mean) sit side by side to students when another principal visits

  • @chuckbilgrien2223
    @chuckbilgrien2223 3 года назад +10

    its all perspective :-D a couch is very comfortable maybe a better choice. Note: In Europe kings sit on chairs. In Ottoman empire the sultan sit on a couch :-D

  • @SuperHaoken
    @SuperHaoken 3 года назад +5

    They just respected the protocol

  • @gsipos6880
    @gsipos6880 3 года назад +3

    This is a shameful act , not only on the Turkish side but also by the protocol offices of the EU. However, when the damage was done, Jean Michael should have offered his seat to Ms. von der Leyen! Not as EU president but as a true enlightened man! Gabriella Sipos, a Furious EU citizen

  • @tayfun2895
    @tayfun2895 2 года назад +4

    RESPECT FOR ERDOGAN 🇹🇷

  • @proselytizingorthodoxpente8304
    @proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 3 года назад +12

    So is she a head of state or isn't she? And if she is, who elected her and how can the people hold her to account?

    • @graveperil2169
      @graveperil2169 3 года назад +1

      In the UK she is not even a diplomat anymore

  • @reuterromain1054
    @reuterromain1054 4 месяца назад +1

    I don`t like the EU and i took great pleasure in seeing that!
    Von der Leyen represents everything that went wrong with the EU.

  • @ina268
    @ina268 3 года назад +43

    The lesson for EU officials must be: next time take with you a foldable chair to the countries deprived of basic furniture, hospitality and manners🙄

    • @kukulroukul4698
      @kukulroukul4698 3 года назад +2

      and two bullets

    • @yes0r787
      @yes0r787 3 года назад +13

      But Turkey I well known for beautiful manners and kind hospitality... and you can see they have nice furniture from this video. Something else was at work this time.

    • @platinum2905
      @platinum2905 3 года назад

      Under rated comment :)).

    • @ina268
      @ina268 3 года назад +7

      @@yes0r787 Well, this time Turkey has sent a clear signal to the world - the country couldn't afford whole three quality chairs🤷‍♀️

    • @ina268
      @ina268 3 года назад

      @Aedin Ridmash Yeah, but there's another shortage - Turkey still cannot afford a sofa for its president. Ok, life isn't easy nowadays everywhere, for everyone😦

  • @orcofnbu
    @orcofnbu 3 года назад +2

    do you guys aware of the concept of social distance ?

  • @jminor318
    @jminor318 3 года назад +38

    This is what THESE MEN THINK OF WOMEN. It is a reflection of the thoughts 💭 of women.

    • @guidosc3470
      @guidosc3470 3 года назад +5

      Exactly

    • @dcodework2421
      @dcodework2421 3 года назад +5

      or they just dont like EU

    • @benjamindover4337
      @benjamindover4337 3 года назад +7

      He could have asked if she'd be more comfortable waiting in the kitchen.

    • @blancalicm
      @blancalicm 3 года назад +13

      Equal opportunity means she could have rushed to the chair first.

    • @user-tu5tm6kn6k
      @user-tu5tm6kn6k 3 года назад +3

      It's just an honest mistake. You're over thinking

  • @herneyse11
    @herneyse11 3 года назад +1

    It is EU protocol nothing about Turkey.

  • @jesper6654
    @jesper6654 3 года назад +11

    I would rather sit on a sofa than a chair...

  • @fendiwhore567
    @fendiwhore567 3 года назад +1

    As a Turkish citizen I feel ashamed.

    • @sargent4465
      @sargent4465 3 года назад

      The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...

  • @mattd2460
    @mattd2460 3 года назад +21

    😂😂😂 Shows how important they think you are 😂😂😂😂

    • @vascocastro2017
      @vascocastro2017 3 года назад

      its Not a matter of thinking. Shes one of the Most Powerful women in the World, way more Powerful than Erdogan. But since Shes Not a Dictator, She dint threat him or anything.

  • @gagibakija4825
    @gagibakija4825 2 года назад +1

    Well EU has no intention of giving turkey place in EU... maybe that's the joke

  • @AdamUFP
    @AdamUFP 3 года назад +5

    Lol EU guy supported Turkish over EU lady lol

  • @madrugadao000
    @madrugadao000 3 года назад +1

    First of all Let’s just stop diplomatic relation with Turkey ...

    • @Kendndnd
      @Kendndnd 2 года назад

      Turkey hate double atandarf Europeans and now u must beg turkey

  • @oneobekanobe
    @oneobekanobe 3 года назад +21

    Ursula was expected to do a belly dance for men, that's why there was no chair.

  • @thomasvogel8799
    @thomasvogel8799 3 года назад +1

    She is no foreign leader at all. The e.u. is no country on its own.

  • @sassimaus2
    @sassimaus2 3 года назад +3

    Well this sums up how we feel about her

  • @themsmloveswar3985
    @themsmloveswar3985 3 года назад +12

    Erdogan wanted to know why they brought their own tea lady....

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад +3

      Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.

  • @JoaquimInverno
    @JoaquimInverno 3 года назад +8

    She should have walked away but then men would say she was emotional!

    • @kalurank
      @kalurank 3 года назад +1

      Of course she shouldn't...

    • @Baba-so6fh
      @Baba-so6fh 3 года назад

      Why didn’t the guy sitting next to Erdogan offer her his seat if it was such a big deal? He didn’t think so as he saw she had a whole sofa to sit on

  • @nicoswiss9564
    @nicoswiss9564 3 года назад +7

    Thank God they didn't ask her to make pasta for them

  • @jerrynonofbss2588
    @jerrynonofbss2588 3 года назад +13

    it's Erdogan's message "You belong to the kitchen, like my wife!"

    • @khadizarezae6799
      @khadizarezae6799 3 года назад +1

      No . His voice was that lady should be seated where she belongs. If that so what ur telling then look Ak party has much women members then others .

    • @enderkarsan
      @enderkarsan 3 года назад +1

      Der Spiegel wrote the facts behind the scenes: It was a protocol suggested to Turkey by Michel's protocol team. BBC: "The protocol at the presidency met the demands of the EU side. In other words, the seating arrangement was designed to meet their demands and suggestions," Turkey's FM said. In other words: It is a crisis inside EU between Leyen and Michel.

  • @nasimmanuel7104
    @nasimmanuel7104 3 года назад +1

    Michel did not act like a gentleman!

  • @Tammissa
    @Tammissa 3 года назад +6

    It was straight forward. Your a woman and your not equal. I’d be pissed as a woman.

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm 3 года назад +5

      Giving up the chair because she's a women isn't equality.

    • @Tammissa
      @Tammissa 3 года назад

      @@Robert-cu9bm I’m sorry I don’t understand what your meaning. Nobody gave a chair up for her.

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm 3 года назад +1

      @@Tammissa
      If they gave up a chair JUST because she's a 'women', that's not equality.
      Which is what your advocating for, give up the chair because she's a 'women'.
      You want "equality" that comes with giving up the benefits that are only given to women.

  • @jirikrajnak9047
    @jirikrajnak9047 3 года назад +7

    i can't stand von der leyen, but bruh, that was rude

    • @vercoda9997
      @vercoda9997 3 года назад +3

      She seems a poor leader at the moment, but That was a deliberate, calculated slap in her face, and the EU’s face.

  • @oeuf123456
    @oeuf123456 3 года назад +6

    Give them benefits of doubt. At the end they said it was according to EU suggestions. Meaning it should have been the EU guy who should have offered the seat

    • @juicyfruit4378
      @juicyfruit4378 2 года назад

      Absolutely not. Sexism at it's best -- you want equality when it suits you, but play the damsel in distress on the next turn - sorry, can't have it both ways.

  • @abidkhattak5780
    @abidkhattak5780 7 месяцев назад +1

    Ursula: Ehm!!!
    Erdogan: French Vanilla..
    Other dude: Hot Chocolate...

  • @Christian_Bagger
    @Christian_Bagger 3 года назад +37

    Once we went to war over a bucket! We may have progressed to sofas!

    • @puraLusa
      @puraLusa 3 года назад +3

      LoL best analisis so far 😂 thanks

  • @robharris8844U
    @robharris8844U 3 года назад +2

    It really doesn't matter anyways, the EU knows little about diplomacy working both ways.

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад +1

      Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.

    • @robharris8844U
      @robharris8844U 3 года назад +1

      @@theancientsancients1769 Too many cooks, one of them is not needed. Personally I thinl neither are needed, waste in the EU is excessive and obscene.

  • @FirstName-bf9ds
    @FirstName-bf9ds 3 года назад +6

    Lol you can almost cut through the tensions and awkwardness of that instance w a knife XD

    • @maazkalim
      @maazkalim 3 года назад +1

      Literal?

    • @FirstName-bf9ds
      @FirstName-bf9ds 3 года назад

      @@maazkalim yes awkwarfness is something that goes well on butterbrot ;) that awkwardness produced might feed yemen

  • @einfachnicht9088
    @einfachnicht9088 3 года назад +1

    Well if she's able to incite to wars and armed conflicts she may as well be able to bring her own chair. God, I hate this woman.

  • @smsmurni
    @smsmurni 3 года назад +1

    "SOCIAL DISTANCING" 🤔

  • @CathScat
    @CathScat 3 года назад +5

    Von der Leyen has been demoted to coach potato

  • @bulentbaytemur9907
    @bulentbaytemur9907 3 года назад +1

    It was equality because cavusoglu also sat on the couch, it had nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman, but her position

  • @BloodVenefice
    @BloodVenefice 3 года назад +4

    Sit on that lap

  • @4623620
    @4623620 3 года назад +2

    Sexist or mistake, either way it is stupidly wrong.

    • @graveperil2169
      @graveperil2169 3 года назад

      Power play the EU needs Turkey to be nice more than Turkey needs the EU and Turkey was happy to explain that to them

    • @4623620
      @4623620 3 года назад

      @@graveperil2169 That's not explaining, only showing in a very rude and uncivilized way !

  • @ДональдТрамп-к1к
    @ДональдТрамп-к1к 3 года назад +11

    The fact is that in Turkey women are sitting in the kitchen, And she had give tea to two men...

  • @andys30us
    @andys30us 5 месяцев назад

    The Ruler of Europe should not be treated like this.

  • @angiescottwildcamping4472
    @angiescottwildcamping4472 3 года назад +5

    she did get a chair it was in the kitchen

  • @ChathurkaMadhushan
    @ChathurkaMadhushan 2 года назад +2

    It is hilarious to watch this in 2022 😂

  • @ruftime
    @ruftime 3 года назад +6

    Shameful.......no matter the reason.....it speaks volumes😂

    • @theancientsancients1769
      @theancientsancients1769 3 года назад

      Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.

  • @michalkrajcovic3374
    @michalkrajcovic3374 3 года назад +1

    well nothing surprising from Erdogan but Michel had the chance to show a real respekt. He totally failed. Such a shame

  • @bermondsey548428
    @bermondsey548428 3 года назад +5

    She is insignificant 🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣