The Greatest Tom Mixing Trick I Ever Learned!
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2020
- Want to make your tom sound huge in you mixes? Check out this little trick I learned a few weeks back. Check out the Drum Q at AiXDsp: bit.ly/3ahdX5B
Disclosure: Yes, I'm affiliated with Aix... because this is my favorite drum EQ. I use it in ALL of my mixes now.
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The best tom tip I ever got was from Nolly: Distort the upper mids and up
I'll have to try that out!
What would you recommend here? Saturn by Fabfilter maybe? You can distort individual frequencies, instead of the entire signal with it. Great for sub bass.
@@dracula7919 Is exactly what I am doing, gives me wonderful results!
LisaHöfl Nolly uses a lot Saturn, it's one of his go to plugins. So when you listen about Nolly distorting a part of the source or some frequencies in particular his 99% using Saturn
If you have the slate bundle with kilohearts, there is a multicomp plug-in that can do the same thing.
Love ya glenn you never stop learning. Learn so much from your drum vids. There is nothing wrong with trying to sound like the black album! Bob Rock created a masterpiece with the drum sound on that record.
Absolutely. And I believe they got that idea from hearing Tommy Lee's drum sound on Feelgood.
That ability to tune the EQ to the drum's fundamental and then automatically targeting the overtones is GENIUS. Consistent EQ curves for toms are always a frustration and this is a game changer! These AiXDsp plugins are super smart and sound excellent, you really do find awesome shit Glenn.
This is such a HUGE help! I’m learning (and applying) much of what I’ve learned from you. I can’t thank you enough.
"Wow, that really is trying very hard to sound like the black album." That describes that particular Avenged Sevenfold Record to a T.
As much as I like that certain album, I have to admit it does sound a lot like that.
Must admit its still a great sounding album!
Yeah I hated that album
Seems like he meant the mix, not the content.
@@ALGband indeed
This is such an underrated video. Glenn…you NEED to remind people that this video exists! We need a short on mixing TOMS.
Watched an old video you uploaded from 5 years ago and wow! youre killing it with your diet glenn! Great video as always, thanks for the info!
The neatest thing was when you pulled each frequency band of the tom separately so we can hear the boxy and resonant bands and how that relates to the overall sound and punch. I run tape and analogue so plugs don’t really work for me but I found your tuning of the EQ to be very enlightening and I am excited to try it using a couple of parametrics. Your tuning really smartened up the sound. Thanks!!!
Damn Glenn this was so helpful! I love your in depth videos and I always learn a lot about what to listen for. Not gonna let being hard of hearing stop me. Keep killing it!
You are one of the most entertaining people ever. I love all your videos so please keep them coming, just for me!
A thousand thanks from an amateur producer (and bassist!), this tips made my toms sound awesome!!!
Mixing toms always baffled me. Thank you for "cracking the code." I don't know if I can get mine to sound quite like the thunder of the gods as you do though, but they'll be a whole lot more impressive. Thanks!!!!
Nicely done...like the difference this plugin makes!!
Yeeeees! Thanks glenn that was awesome! Gonna need this in a future project. :D
This really came in handy, as I'm currently working on a mix/recording that has a quite a thin tin-like Tom 2 14" and a too boxy, slightly muddy FloorTom. Didn't want to replace them by a sample.Was using the StudioEQ in combination with the Scheps Omni Channel to get quite a decent result, but the AIX that I just downloaded got a better result faster. Did buy it straight away. Thx for the tip.
Well, now I gotta replicate it with ReaEQ
Mikołaj Grabowski the struggle is real
Vættr Official Why should it be? You can clearly see how wide the band is and how much gain he adds to the frequencies, very simple to convert in my opinion.
walking away or "sleeping on it" is the single greatest problem-solving tool in ANY profession.
I can't even count the amount of times I've been struggling to get the right drum sound or the right guitar arrangement and the solution is ALWAYS walking away.... even if just for a brief "smoke break" or whatever.
if THAT doesn't work... I just start over. Take away all the mikes, retune the kit, swap cymbals, room placement, and re-approach the miking scheme... sometimes it's just a matter of reevaluating "which microphones are doing what" for the overall mix, especially once you've dialed in the sound you want in the room. Underrated.
Awesome tip, thanks for sharing, Glenn!
Great vid Glenn as always man. Those folks at AIXDSP just sent me those plugins. I can't wait to try those out. Fantastic eq
Thank-you. The learning never stops.
i am so lost mixing drums, but your videos are sending me in the right direction, couple good laughs during the drum vids you know me too well
ive learned so much from you...youre an angel Glenn
Thanks mang...great stuff as always.
I've said this before, but your intro music ROCKS !!!!
I actually gave up coffee and now I just play your intro 3 times a day !!!!! lololol
Thanks Glen for the inside info! they used to say that even the best (vinyl) records hardly came close to the sound in the master tapes (and more so I guess when all the equipment was top end and the engineer first class) but now those bad old days are fading with todays tools and song files.
Sir, you nailed the topic again. Scary, funny, wise, talented and informative video. So...thanks again
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome video !!!
Finally!! Something to go practice. At least for me cause I will forever suck at playing guitar, lol. Thanks, Glenn. 😁
I don't know anything about recording and mixing music, but when I get to the point in my life where home recording is a possibility I'll gladly rewatch any video.
Well!! That slider is a nifty tool ain't it?! Damn! And here I am after 20 years, still closing my eyes when I adjust EQ parameters.
Holy shit thats a great Tom sound! Thanks for the valuable information!
This is the way i eq my toms even without this plugin , but one knob moving the whole eq seems very useful. I actually start with a hi pass filter and i move it till i hear the bottom end going out then i dial it back and boost the low end there, now i know my fundamental (by filtering and boosting i have a precise low end like using a vog), then i multiply this frequency to find the harmonics , boost and cut accordingly for my mids, for upper mids and highs i boost at frequencies that give me that snap but also space for other boosted areas of other instruments, i set the floor and then copy the eq to the toms and i move the low and mids accordingly the high and high mids are the same almost in all toms so i have the same snap all around, and for more punch and ''body'' i parralel compress them using a overdrive or distortion and sometimes a plate before the compressor while having a high pass(sometimes set very high) to move out fighting frequencies of the mix
Very interesting. How do you multiply? By what...
Holy shit this sounded killer!
Great idea. It seems taking out 2 octaves above seems a sweet spot, so I think we can use that on our own Equalizers. but it looks really easy with that EQ!
Those AIX DS Plugins are sounding great. Fantastic Tom sound
Thanks, Glenn!
Wow! Sounds awesome
Great Video!!! Great Set of Ears!!! Thanks
Looks like a very cool plugin. As for compression, I'm totally stoked with the Pulsar Smasher. It turns my drums into monsters! I'm also using rear buss compression on the rest fo my mix. Not on the drums though. You should check it out. It's an Andrew Shep trick that I learned from Chris Selim's channel, Mixdown online. Another source for great info. Thanks for another killer video, Glenn!
Glen it occurs to me that this would be an excellent plug in to train the ears with for EQ in general. Focusing in on those frequencies, and matching them would be a great way to learn to pick the individual frequency assets or liabilities out of an audio tracks spectrum,
You can achieve this with any graphic eq that allows you to sweep around manually after the resonance freq. Just turn it WAY up, an sweep around to find the frequency, then scoop off anything that doesn't sound like a cannon.
great tips !!
Love it! Tried to figure out what's the secret to that snappy drum sound for a while.... and whooops there it is thanks!
Your the man Glen !!
Righteous sounding drums.
Helping me reconsider my workflow. Thanks for the insightful information Glenn. 🙏
Really nice EQ!! Holy shit!
I’d love to hear an Eq like this in a cover of “Run to the Hills” because of the sick drum part in that song (specifically the intro to that song)
I use this method live too. I'll check the toms with a tunebot, write down the fundamental and go set all my eq's ahead of time. Boost fundamental and cut the two octaves above it. Simple math and amazing starting point every time. Depending on what type of top end snap you want, bump anywhere from 3.5k to 8k. And yes, I did learn it from Glenn haha! 🤘
I'm a huge fan of the UAD Pultec EQP-1A on my toms, and my "secret" is an Andrew Scheps technique of bussing all my toms together then applying some EQ into some compression with a limiter at the end to keep the red lights off. I've been a huge fan of some FabFilter > EQP1A > CLA76 (then maybe) > FabFilter again to just clean up a spot or two the compression brought up. I sometimes don't even compress the Toms if they were recorded really well.
Well, the Drum EQ is a dynamic EQ, so it's completely different from the SSL one and allows you to do things SSL isn't even designed for. Though you're not using the dynamic part at all so i think it's fair comparison.
It does have nice tools for those resonances etc. so it's clearly designed for drums... that's really handy!
Thank's for the tip!
Sounds awesome and great heavy ass tune!
Just got audio interface. Came with Pro tools. I'm a classical guitarist with 0 computer skills. Let's see where this goes. Thanks for all you info on this stuff. I'll need it.
Good luck!
You're going to do fine. Your training and ears will lead you. Enjoy!
I'd really like to work with you on a recording project. I enjoy your passion, your tenacity, and your ear.
Sweet toms - fat and punchy! Thanks!
Great Job - Thx
Damn I just tried YOUR EQ settings and was happy!!!! Still getting the plug-in tho. lol
Do you have a preset for Drumq based on the sounds you got? I know I need to use my ears but with the way you can shift the eq for each drum a starting point would be amazing.
sending this vid to my drummer now
Gorgeous
Im sure some A7x fan here has already told you but the goal with that album was to make an album that sounded like their influeces. Fantastic album.
While its not as easy to do this specific thing, I have been using Infinity EQ by Slate for doing this because you can really dial in and the graphs are great.
Nice Sound
I guess I really don't like that kind of sound but you did a good job at emulating it.
on my old computer i had the CLA collection, and one of the EQ programs had a "metallica" EQ sound, i added it to the toms and room mics and holy fuck did it give me a hell of a sound!
i'll probably try this program once i get back up to recording and mixing on my new comp :)
This is what i was looking for holy shit
I might have to jump on this!
Remove to resonate heads, mic inside the toms, use a compressor, some eq, gated reverb and boooom 🤘
was watching this video, and it hadn't even finished before I was on their site and bought the plugin. Downloaded it, tested it, loved it!
The best trick that I've ever seen to make, not just your toms, but the entire kit sound great was the use of bubble wrap. You get those large rolls of bubble wrap from Walmart or such. You then leave it in its rolled form. For those larger drums, even the bass drums, you may need to get a larger roll. Then you unwrap the bubble wrap roll so that it fits really snug into the drum itself, unwrapping the roll as needed. Then you carefully push the roll as close as you can to the head. You may need to either tape it into place or leave more bubble wrap on the roll for a tighter fit. Your snare will take some disassembly and trimming to do this.
This works every time and it's pretty cheap on top of that.
When we did this to my neighbors kit it sounded absolutely amazing from my living room.
Is this for dampening ?
That sounds really interesting... make a video on it!!
I think my neighbor did. Search "The Asshole Next Door". I'm sure I'm there somewhere.
Take off the water wings and dive into the deep end of knowledge. Creatures Of The Night drum sound sounds huuuuuge IMO. Thank you Glenn for the time and effort.
Hey, man, thanks for posting! Unrelated question: got any idea what crash cymbals Narada Walden used on the Gladys Knight, "License To Kill" 007 title? One of those sounds amazing! Thanks, bro for any help on this.
glenn just says two words and I´m happy
Hey Glenn,
Looking for some advice relating to EQ/comp for toms. More specifically octobans/cannon toms.
A song I'm mixing utilities 3 out of the drummers set of 4. I just can't get them to sound nice a snappy like you'd come to expect, there seems to be a lot of flubby low end ring after the hits. I've tried gating them but to no avail.
Any ideas?
I just got it and i feel like that would be so sick If it also came with different presets because as a beginner with new software as well it’s tough to mess up
Hey Glen, what mic are you using for your voice in this video? Thanks!
One more question are artist ever concerned after hearing the final mix of their work that it’s not gonna sound like that live that it might be too overproduced in their opinion, does that come up?
I’d like to hear how the plugin works minus all the reverb. But that’s just me. Toms sound great both ways though.
Nah, not just you.
This sound relys alot on the reverb, scooped dry drum sounds can sound a little bit weak, of course I agree if this was a review of this plugin but seeming its for getting this kind of sound the reverb is needed.
That’s a great trick! It’s almost as cool as using sampled drum sounds
i hope that is sarcastic. sample sounds are not cool.
awesome
Hello from S.C.,U.S.A. Mr. Fricker, just wanted to say THANK YOU!, for this awesome tutorial video. Well done as always. I never miss any of your YT posts.I usually stay out of the “comment” section but this video was so killer I had to chime in. I’ve been in the “business” a loooong time and I totally understand and feel for you when you receive all the ridiculous text and comments from all the wanna be’s/posers in the world. It’s a tough business that most youngsters don’t have a clue at all about how much hard work, money and headaches it takes to get anywhere. I hope you and your family are well at this “crazy virus” time we all are trying to get through. Please keep up the great work and again Thank you for all that you do and have done with educating the masses on just how important production and engineering is to this business. Being a guitarist, I’m sad to say, musicians are a dime a dozen. It’s the producers and engineers that really define how your band sounds. Keep up the great work and, Thanks again.
Thanks very much, Lewis! Hope you’re well!
Decapitator! It's my secret (not so secret) weapon for toms - makes them sound huge a beefy. Sometimes follow it with an L2 if they're still too attack-y.
I actually really like the snare sound on the black album. But that is a great drum sound in general
what theme is he using?
Where did you get your reaper theme? It looks good!!!!
All I can hear is "ticking" and "clicking." Lower the high-end EQ on that kick drum, geesh.
Agree 100%. Sounds like digital clipping to my ears.
really? in solo yes but who cares about that, it sounded like a perfect kick for the genre when the full mix was playing)) im listening on genelecs?? kick sounded fucking sick in context with the full mix! maybe a taste thing
It's metal, not indie rock.
Agree, can hear an annoying audible click of the drummer burying the hard plastic beater into a hard plastic patch. Just mic a damn e pad at that point lol. Or stop burying the beater so bad
@@oblivionwalker8613 We recorded it the same day that we did the test of changing different beaters and different kick patches. The clickiest one just happened to be what was on the drum when we recorded this. Its a bit too clicky for sure. But thats what happens when you experiment. In that video, I mentioned specifically that this is what happens when you bury a wood beater into a danmar impact pad, which is why I use the Falaam Slam.
their GATE is pretty amazing too!!!
Hey Glenn, I'm just curious. Will the Waves F6 (I believe is the name of the plugin I'm thinking of) do three same thing as the AIX plugin?
Was it the bass drum that was making that “ ticking” sound? You can’t hear it in the Final mix though.
I think you should fix your reverb on your drums, it has a lot of highs and long decay. Try Waves Rverb's Tiled Room preset and cut the highs up to 3khz.
glen the side camera angle shows the weightloss in your face really well... are you doing any kind of exercise in addition to the keto diet?
Hey Glenn, would you use this for over heads?
Did you apply this to overheads too? Or just toms ?
It almost sounds like the toms are mini kick drums. Pretty gnarly
Are you putting this eq on individual channels, Drum Buss or both? Thanks!
I have 4 toms, 12x8, 13x9 (racks) 16x16, 18x16 (floor toms) I plan on using Sennheiser e604’s for the racks but thought to go Audix D6 for the floor toms. Would it be possible to get away with using a single mic for two toms or should I go one mic per Tom? I’m going to end up needing a 10 channel audio interface which doesn’t come cheap. But maybe I can find one used? Or learn more about possibly daisy changing interfaces if possible... thanks for going into the software side of editing. That helps a lot!
Sounds great!!!
I just thought the kick drum needed a little more sub kick with a bit more attack on top . Just to get in the same family with toms and kick. Hear great kick drums with bad toms and the other way round. Just my opinion, but the tweaks you made were killer.
New drum heads and tuning help.....
Thanks for the vid...😎
You're right for sure, but we had just finished doing a video on changing beaters and impact pads, so the kick was setup for that. This video was just an afterthought as we were finishing up. I asked him if he could make the toms sound like Shepherd of Fire. So we messed with the positioning of the mics for about 5 minutes and then did this one.
DrumQ link is dead Glenn, please update with valid link so you get credit. Actually I'm buying the whole Drum Producer Pack so I'd like to see you get the credit. As always great great stuff, thanks!!!!
Hey Glen. So I'm trying to record drums at my house, and I only have 3 mics due to budget restrictions. I can get a decent sound, but whenever I go to the hi hats, they are way too loud. Any advice on how to fix this? Thanks.
Dont hit the hihats so hard. You have to learn to hit them very softly. It takes about 2 weeks to get used to it, but thats the only way.
That Avenged Sevenfold album was mixed by Andy Wallace and has very characteristic A. Wallace Signature Sound. There is a great mixing session on Mixing with Masters where Andy Explains in details how he gets his sounds. The man who mixed Nirvana, GNR , Rage Against the Machine, Velvet Revolver and billion others -cant be wrong :) You would be surprised how much he is achieving just by using SSL desk only, with a few outboards exclusions: please Check Rick Beato's video on A. Wallace, Symphonic effect yamaha spx 90 mostly on bass( or a guitar -Come as You are-)and stereo bus- smart compressor C 2 . Anyways, when it comes to Andy its all about riding faders( including ambience tracks), shaving/shading frequencies. What i recall for the drums sounds is that he gets massive fills by riding ambient faders down so they are very dry and articulate. And yes , he is using samples - mostly kick and snare, described as kick that its punching in your chest on and a snare sample- mostly as a laye for that 80s snare white noise verb, My fav mixer of all time ! ruclips.net/video/F916ioSWdts/видео.html R Beato video , ruclips.net/video/bX6LcB-WObw/видео.html A. Wallace
Dumb question of the day-Whenever affecting pitch on the isolated mics, whether toms or snare, how do you reconcile along with the overhead mics which are still original sounds. ...or just not worry about it?