I understand your calculations but I think you also need to think about dry times and water shortages. Our pond fluctuates up and down from April to August sometimes by as much as 3’. Just sharing. Good luck. Stay safe
Thank you for being honest with everyone and trying to help us all understand The overall dynamics of your pond job. Love the truthfullnes of the channel. As always good luck and God Bless.
Looks like Pennsylvania averages around 40 in of rain per year. So a half acre pond would produce around a half a million gallons just from rainfall itself. That's not including runoff either. I would say factoring in evaporation and dry spells, you'll have that filled in a year easily.
Thanks for sharing with us Adam, the fish will love that fresh spring water. Mother Nature will surprise you! Stay safe, looking good around there and good work on getting rid of the top soil. Fred 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👋👋
Central Ashtabula county has been spared the rain you guys are getting. My SIL got hit hard yesterday in the Niles area. Good luck on getting some decent weather to finish your project.
Sorry about the unexpected rainfall you’ve had. I can only imagine how painful it has been to see your rentals just sitting there dormant. On the plus side, that’s going to be some great money from selling the top soil. Even better since they’re going to haul it all away for you. It’s a big project and is definitely going to take some time and a lot of work and effort. It is going to be beautiful when it’s done and something you, your family, and friends will enjoy for as long as you live there. God bless, stay safe, and keep up the great work 👍
Nice job explaining the water needs, Adam. If you had the pond built before this summer, I bet it would be at least 1/2 way full with all the rain we've had this year. :) #purplecollarlife
Looking at all of the work and expense you are investing in building a pond I guess having beaver build a pond on my property works out pretty good. No labor, no expense. I did loose some small future firewood trees, But I have a nice pond maintained by natures engineers.
2 Years till the pond is 100% is perfect timing for your son to be ready to go wild fishing and swimming. If you get another rain like last year that washed out your road it will go even faster.
There is so much that goes into a pond. I never gave it much thought before. Now when I look at one in a housing development or a golf course, I now see it in a different view.
I’m excited for you! Ponds are a great feature. You’re going to have a chorus of frogs & birds. Raise property value, secure a water source, and the ability to combat local fires. The recreation alone is going to be amazing.
Also as a guy who worked in drain cleaning for a few year if it's not to late as some clean out access up near the woods on each finger for future root removal access.
Call the rental company and try to negotiate off the rain delay days. Many times if you are a good customer they are happy to do this. Always worth a try.
I feel your pain with all this rain. Just south of Greenville and it is like spring mud season here. With all this rain lately I got to believe if you can get in and dig it, it might only take 8 months to fill
I agree - we are a wet county just north of you … I think it will be in good shape by spring. There is a lot of run off from the hillside woods down to the pond. He is learning by taking chances and doing it. Then posting it!!!
Your flow should increase some as time moves on. You have "smeared" the formation when digging the trenches. Hydraulic pressure will slowly open the formation back up and decrease resistance and increase flow.
Great that you were able to make some progress even with the rain. I’m a bit surprised that you didn’t develop the water source earlier in the project as you could have adjusted the pond size. One thing you didn’t mention in your estimate to fill the pond was evaporation and natural seepage into the ground. Good luck and looking forward to seeing the next video
Its amazing how much rain you're getting compared to me. I'm only 2hrs Southwest of Erie. Or even Joe at OWB is getting a lot more than me and he is only an hr or so east of me.
Everyone's talkin bout evaporation... how bout a little island in the middle with a big ass shade tree? Guessing that'd save far more water than it drinks. Plus you could have a bad ass rope swing or zipline into the deep end haha.
You forgot to calculate the surface area of the pond and the evaporation rate. It is what it is, If you put a dye in the water you can slow the evaporation.
Have you considered trucking in some water to boost the pond initially? OWTM Mike mentioned it was not too expensive… for his cistern. Marcus from Chesapeake VA.
Once you get done and before it fills up , you might want to consider fish habitat of some sort. Like old concrete pipe some place for fish to hide. But whatever you do don’t plant lily pads, they’re vary invasive.
When you have windy days if the shallow end is at opposite side of wind direction, you must consider erosion of bank & under current sweeping the bottom sediment into your ever decreasing 9' depth. In northern Ohio we go 14-16' at deep end for longevity to avoid a future swamp.
You did all that math so quick and correct just to screw it all up with the answer at 8:56 lmao (it should be around 131 THOUSAND gallons and not just 131 gallons a year)
I am thinking if you get a large amount of snow this winter it will be sooner then that and the rain they say you get if you get the pond built by this fall I think it will probably be well on it's way to being full next spring /summer
Maybe u should have made French drain We're you're filling pond from spring that would catch water run off from spring feeders in area always there when u have springs
Great video. Could you do a video on the hoops and hurdles you had to go through with a DEP to put the Prond on your property in Pennsylvania? Sucks pa makes us go through them.
I would have thought you would have known all those calculations prior to deciding where to build your pond and how big. You should know your areas watershed. Our new pond needed at least 7 million gallons of water. We were done building in July of 2019 and it was full pond by December of 2919. Two years to fill a pond not accounting for absorption and evaporation seems like you don’t have enough watershed to fill it and only counting on rain and snow melt to fill. With that in mind it may fluctuate in depth quite a bit during the dry periods. Hopefully your watershed calculations are off and you get enough from the springs. Good luck and it will be an interesting watch to see how it actually turns out.
Usually they will find their way to the surface. If you have a spot that is wet year round even in the dryest times of the year. Chances are it’s a spring. Just start digging until you find the rock bed it’s bleeding out of
@@AdamsMom921 that should definitely fill that pond up then.. you’ll get more water melted from that then from the spring fed line I bet. I’m up in Ontario. Know all about snow
The similarities contintue! I am literally in the process of shooting a video (over the course of this week) talking about pond water evaporation and did a similar calc as you did about using our well to top it off. ha
Accountant brains can’t get away from the numbers. I’ve heard some people will actually punch a separate well to keep their ponds topped off. Not a bad idea.
@@HometownAcres Only if you have a buddy with a well rig! ha Drilling is expensive. We have a unique setup that would allow us to do it, but not sure I want the extra wear/tear on the pump. I think you will be in good shape though.
@@HometownAcres Evaporation and absorption/seepage drops my 2.5 acre pond 1 foot a month during the summer in western Oregon. Spring fed during the Summer somewhat more than yours won't keep up with the loss.
@@HometownAcres keep up the hard work and information, we're all learning alot. I'll probably be back to reference these vids in a few years before tackling the massive task myself 👍💪
Adam...Evaporation is a real issue. Just look at what happens to the Great Lakes when they don't freeze over. They will lose a couple of feet of water due to evaporation over the winter. How deep would you have to go to hit water?
@@obxkoastie8170 Yes it is! I just commented to Adam that we are experiening that on our pond now. Although, I think Adam is going to be in good shape with his pond. Lot of natural fall on that property toward the pond. Downspouts will be a big help, plus those springs will likely be putting out a whole lot more water come the springtime.
@@ian3580 I have a 62 yr old pond that loses 2-3 feet per year for that reason. Another factor to be considered , in a radius of two miles from home there are over 25 farm ponds 1/4 acre to 12 acres. From spring thru fall we will have frequent dense fog, as soon as i drive out of this range, fog dissipates.
the excavator has a cab and windshield wiper, the ground is dry 4” below the slop, you should of been digging the pond the whole time considering your paying like 600-700 a day for the 312, maybe even more, adam you should be running that equipment every second when it’s sitting, you could of carved out the shallow end and been sitting on the pile leap frogging it towards the dam area the whole time getting that clay close to where your core trench is going to be dug. you can’t let rental equipment sit, your losing your a….
@@HometownAcres not bad, so you should just call them and tell them to extend the rental for a month, maybe they will roll the weekly into the monthly rental which is a better rate, this way you don’t have to rush as much and get a better plan together, but have them send a D5 over at least, you need a dozer for practically everything, good luck with the job.
I know we’re making mistakes along the way but that’s part of learning. Anyone can hire someone to do work for them. I want to learn how it works. The best way to learn is by doing. The experience I’m gaining is worth more than the few mistakes we make
@@HometownAcres right on! plus way cheaper than hiring someone like me where you pay per hour per piece of equipment, extend it to the monthly and you get in and start cutting that pond the way you want it, with no dozer your gonna have to leap frog the clay towards the dam, leave it in the pond next to the dam, then dig the core trench and start packing it in and then build the horseshoe dam up… dig my young jedi…dig!
Are you sure that corrugated pipe won't collapse in a couple years? maybe ask mike morgan...and tell him to bring his kubota down to give you a hand ;)
that corrugated pipe will fail this winter, homey doesn’t know shinola about this pond construction, he just threw it in a trench and it will form to the belly’s with the backfill on it and will hold water and once winter comes it will freeze and just rip that crummy pipe in half, i’ve seen it personally having to repair it for people, pvc is the way to go, also he never stoned the trench under or around the perforated pipe up by the spring so it will load up with sediment really quick and it will be plugged. this is painful to watch his money go no where, lessons are expensive!
@@njonebale7889 that’s why you hire professionals to do it and not anyone who can run a skid steer or excavator. I cringe on a lot of things he is doing. He will probably join the list of owners with a failed pond. 😟
I understand your calculations but I think you also need to think about dry times and water shortages. Our pond fluctuates up and down from April to August sometimes by as much as 3’. Just sharing. Good luck. Stay safe
If you have gutters on your house you can run a line from house to pond as well.
Thank you for being honest with everyone and trying to help us all understand The overall dynamics of your pond job. Love the truthfullnes of the channel. As always good luck and God Bless.
Looks like Pennsylvania averages around 40 in of rain per year. So a half acre pond would produce around a half a million gallons just from rainfall itself. That's not including runoff either. I would say factoring in evaporation and dry spells, you'll have that filled in a year easily.
I would put some kind of tracer wire over your pipes so you can find them with a metal detector later if you need to
I’d think it’s the surrounding watershed that is going to fill your pond. The springs will just help keep it topped off maybe.
Thanks for sharing with us Adam, the fish will love that fresh spring water. Mother Nature will surprise you! Stay safe, looking good around there and good work on getting rid of the top soil. Fred 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👋👋
Central Ashtabula county has been spared the rain you guys are getting. My SIL got hit hard yesterday in the Niles area. Good luck on getting some decent weather to finish your project.
Sorry about the unexpected rainfall you’ve had. I can only imagine how painful it has been to see your rentals just sitting there dormant. On the plus side, that’s going to be some great money from selling the top soil. Even better since they’re going to haul it all away for you. It’s a big project and is definitely going to take some time and a lot of work and effort. It is going to be beautiful when it’s done and something you, your family, and friends will enjoy for as long as you live there. God bless, stay safe, and keep up the great work 👍
Amazing job! Math never lies and you are good at that. Stay positive. Your hard work and determination will pay off!
Nice job explaining the water needs, Adam. If you had the pond built before this summer, I bet it would be at least 1/2 way full with all the rain we've had this year. :) #purplecollarlife
Looking at all of the work and expense you are investing in building a pond I guess having beaver build a pond on my property works out pretty good. No labor, no expense. I did loose some small future firewood trees, But I have a nice pond maintained by natures engineers.
2 Years till the pond is 100% is perfect timing for your son to be ready to go wild fishing and swimming. If you get another rain like last year that washed out your road it will go even faster.
Lol 😆, my thoughts exactly regarding his son.
There is so much that goes into a pond. I never gave it much thought before. Now when I look at one in a housing development or a golf course, I now see it in a different view.
I’m excited for you! Ponds are a great feature. You’re going to have a chorus of frogs & birds. Raise property value, secure a water source, and the ability to combat local fires. The recreation alone is going to be amazing.
Great work! I have an old pond but this is motivating me to do some work on the inlets and possibly add my downspouts to the pond!
Also as a guy who worked in drain cleaning for a few year if it's not to late as some clean out access up near the woods on each finger for future root removal access.
Call the rental company and try to negotiate off the rain delay days. Many times if you are a good customer they are happy to do this. Always worth a try.
Nothing to lose .
Great idea 👍. It’s definitely worth a try. Might at least get some kind of discount.
I feel your pain with all this rain. Just south of Greenville and it is like spring mud season here. With all this rain lately I got to believe if you can get in and dig it, it might only take 8 months to fill
I agree - we are a wet county just north of you … I think it will be in good shape by spring. There is a lot of run off from the hillside woods down to the pond. He is learning by taking chances and doing it. Then posting it!!!
Your flow should increase some as time moves on. You have "smeared" the formation when digging the trenches. Hydraulic pressure will slowly open the formation back up and decrease resistance and increase flow.
Great that you were able to make some progress even with the rain. I’m a bit surprised that you didn’t develop the water source earlier in the project as you could have adjusted the pond size. One thing you didn’t mention in your estimate to fill the pond was evaporation and natural seepage into the ground. Good luck and looking forward to seeing the next video
Might want to look at evaporative loss, not 100% but I calculate 74gal per hour. So at the end of 10 years you are at NEGITIVE 6,351,400 gallons. ;)
Its amazing how much rain you're getting compared to me. I'm only 2hrs Southwest of Erie. Or even Joe at OWB is getting a lot more than me and he is only an hr or so east of me.
Good luck!
Everyone's talkin bout evaporation... how bout a little island in the middle with a big ass shade tree? Guessing that'd save far more water than it drinks. Plus you could have a bad ass rope swing or zipline into the deep end haha.
I’m literally feeling your opener. One week rental here is now at 3 and going for 4. Not for a pond though.
Impressed! Good job so far!
How about the evaporation of water off the pond during summer months?
Great video brotha
You forgot to calculate the surface area of the pond and the evaporation rate. It is what it is, If you put a dye in the water you can slow the evaporation.
Have you considered trucking in some water to boost the pond initially? OWTM Mike mentioned it was not too expensive… for his cistern. Marcus from Chesapeake VA.
Once you get done and before it fills up , you might want to consider fish habitat of some sort. Like old concrete pipe some place for fish to hide. But whatever you do don’t plant lily pads, they’re vary invasive.
When you have windy days if the shallow end is at opposite side of wind direction, you must consider erosion of bank & under current sweeping the bottom sediment into your ever decreasing 9' depth. In northern Ohio we go 14-16' at deep end for longevity to avoid a future swamp.
You did all that math so quick and correct just to screw it all up with the answer at 8:56 lmao (it should be around 131 THOUSAND gallons and not just 131 gallons a year)
I am thinking if you get a large amount of snow this winter it will be sooner then that and the rain they say you get if you get the pond built by this fall I think it will probably be well on it's way to being full next spring /summer
Niiiiiiicccccceeeee. Have fun
Good stuff Adam, thumbs up.
Maybe u should have made French drain
We're you're filling pond from spring that would catch water run off from spring feeders in area always there when u have springs
Can you run ur house and future barns down spouts to the pond? That would help some also.
What about some ground source heating/cooling trenches ?
While you have the kit.
How about a ram-pump pushing flowing water from a nearby creek uphill to your dig.
What about evaporation?
I also thought of that…
Remember there's ±26,000 gallons of water per acre per inch of rain. So direct your run off towards the pond if you can.
Great video. Could you do a video on the hoops and hurdles you had to go through with a DEP to put the Prond on your property in Pennsylvania? Sucks pa makes us go through them.
Just wondering if a French drain installed along part of the ridge below the driveway and the other part of the field could help "feed" the pond.
Drill a well and start pumping, take a lot less time to fill it
I would have thought you would have known all those calculations prior to deciding where to build your pond and how big. You should know your areas watershed. Our new pond needed at least 7 million gallons of water. We were done building in July of 2019 and it was full pond by December of 2919. Two years to fill a pond not accounting for absorption and evaporation seems like you don’t have enough watershed to fill it and only counting on rain and snow melt to fill. With that in mind it may fluctuate in depth quite a bit during the dry periods. Hopefully your watershed calculations are off and you get enough from the springs. Good luck and it will be an interesting watch to see how it actually turns out.
Apparently you’ve never seen Rent. 😂🤦🏼♂️. It’s the only thing I remember from that play
FYI I’ve had that damn song in my head all day. 🙄
A couple big rains and she’s full. My prediction is it’s full by June 2022.
How well does that spring flow in normal seasonal conditions , this has been an extremely wet summer thus far
We're you not intending to use the White Piping for the feed into the pond?
I'm guessing frost isn't really an issue, considering how shallow that pipe is ?
Should have had a Civil Engineer talk you out of making such a large impoundment. Some states would classify this as a dam once you get over 1 MM gal.
What wood stove do you have in your house? I’ve been trying to figure it out, we like the look of it
Sadly they no longer make it. Enviro Boston. I believe you can find it on ebay for almost 3k near Connecticut
It has been a very strange year. Northeast Missouri. I had two people tell me this. Farmers.
Be a nice pond. Too bad about the rain
How do you find/know where the springs are? Very interesting project
Usually they will find their way to the surface. If you have a spot that is wet year round even in the dryest times of the year. Chances are it’s a spring. Just start digging until you find the rock bed it’s bleeding out of
Drill a well!
What about snow? Are u in an area that gets snow?
Yes… we get a lot of Lake effect snow from Lake Erie here. Usually 100” a year
@@AdamsMom921 that should definitely fill that pond up then.. you’ll get more water melted from that then from the spring fed line I bet.
I’m up in Ontario. Know all about snow
The similarities contintue! I am literally in the process of shooting a video (over the course of this week) talking about pond water evaporation and did a similar calc as you did about using our well to top it off. ha
Accountant brains can’t get away from the numbers. I’ve heard some people will actually punch a separate well to keep their ponds topped off. Not a bad idea.
@@HometownAcres Only if you have a buddy with a well rig! ha Drilling is expensive. We have a unique setup that would allow us to do it, but not sure I want the extra wear/tear on the pump. I think you will be in good shape though.
@@HometownAcres Evaporation and absorption/seepage drops my 2.5 acre pond 1 foot a month during the summer in western Oregon. Spring fed during the Summer somewhat more than yours won't keep up with the loss.
Never underestimate nature to change plans.
Is the stress worth the fun on the machines?
It’s not the fun on the machines I’m looking to get. It’s the life experience
@@HometownAcres keep up the hard work and information, we're all learning alot. I'll probably be back to reference these vids in a few years before tackling the massive task myself 👍💪
You're not factoring in evaporation dude.
evaporation is no joke. It's amazing how much loss you get to evaporation.
Adam...Evaporation is a real issue. Just look at what happens to the Great Lakes when they don't freeze over. They will lose a couple of feet of water due to evaporation over the winter. How deep would you have to go to hit water?
@@obxkoastie8170 Yes it is! I just commented to Adam that we are experiening that on our pond now. Although, I think Adam is going to be in good shape with his pond. Lot of natural fall on that property toward the pond. Downspouts will be a big help, plus those springs will likely be putting out a whole lot more water come the springtime.
@@ian3580 I have a 62 yr old pond that loses 2-3 feet per year for that reason. Another factor to be considered , in a radius of two miles from home there are over 25 farm ponds 1/4 acre to 12 acres. From spring thru fall we will have frequent dense fog, as soon as i drive out of this range, fog dissipates.
@@obxkoastie8170 We have a pool, if I leave the solar cover off the pool after 2 days you would have thought you had a huge leak.
Get 330 cat next time.
25,000 gallons of water in 1” of rain over 1 acre..
Good to know!
Less what you would lose to evaporation
I bet you enjoyed a nice hot shower and a relaxing bath after that, great work
Water algorithm
Next time check the weather before you start such a project..
I thought rental time was based on hours the machine was used. Not just days.
the excavator has a cab and windshield wiper, the ground is dry 4” below the slop, you should of been digging the pond the whole time considering your paying like 600-700 a day for the 312, maybe even more, adam you should be running that equipment every second when it’s sitting, you could of carved out the shallow end and been sitting on the pile leap frogging it towards the dam area the whole time getting that clay close to where your core trench is going to be dug. you can’t let rental equipment sit, your losing your a….
the cat 312 was $1,500 for 7 days
@@HometownAcres not bad, so you should just call them and tell them to extend the rental for a month, maybe they will roll the weekly into the monthly rental which is a better rate, this way you don’t have to rush as much and get a better plan together, but have them send a D5 over at least, you need a dozer for practically everything, good luck with the job.
I know we’re making mistakes along the way but that’s part of learning. Anyone can hire someone to do work for them. I want to learn how it works. The best way to learn is by doing. The experience I’m gaining is worth more than the few mistakes we make
@@HometownAcres right on! plus way cheaper than hiring someone like me where you pay per hour per piece of equipment, extend it to the monthly and you get in and start cutting that pond the way you want it, with no dozer your gonna have to leap frog the clay towards the dam, leave it in the pond next to the dam, then dig the core trench and start packing it in and then build the horseshoe dam up… dig my young jedi…dig!
Why are you building a pond?
Because we want one
@@HometownAcres oh, I thought it was for fish raising or prepping and needed a water source other than city water it something
Swimming, fishing, ice skating in the winter time, property value increase, aesthetics, irrigation possibilities. The list is endless.
Skinny-dippin bro!
@@toocoolfortheroom380 that too
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Are you sure that corrugated pipe won't collapse in a couple years? maybe ask mike morgan...and tell him to bring his kubota down to give you a hand ;)
only if a large rock is dropped onto it during backfilling.
that corrugated pipe will fail this winter, homey doesn’t know shinola about this pond construction, he just threw it in a trench and it will form to the belly’s with the backfill on it and will hold water and once winter comes it will freeze and just rip that crummy pipe in half, i’ve seen it personally having to repair it for people, pvc is the way to go, also he never stoned the trench under or around the perforated pipe up by the spring so it will load up with sediment really quick and it will be plugged. this is painful to watch his money go no where, lessons are expensive!
@@njonebale7889 that’s why you hire professionals to do it and not anyone who can run a skid steer or excavator. I cringe on a lot of things he is doing. He will probably join the list of owners with a failed pond. 😟
@@ShadyOaksFarm unfortunately!
Mike Morgan is too busy moving stone from one side of the driveway to the other and back again every other day