@@sapik7640 the fuck you mean not how that works. what ever katakuri touches turns to mochi no real exception to it except if its living or somehing with haki or sea prism material
Exactly he does not think most of one piece battles thoroghly compared to naruto ones where he gets the feats from magazines that are super exxagrated beyond belief. Nagato got his head splitted by being in a cliff while katakuri was fighting against luffy that leveled half of dressrosa with a single punch from gear 4. So much soo luffy was visiblly shaking from the overwhelming power. Katakuri will legit one shot pain with a single mochi punch if he gets to it
Ok but like Whats he gonna do about the black hole? Its still sucking its surroundings in Turning the stone into moochi is cool and all But that isnt what sebakutensai does
Ok so Don chin jou the guy Luffy fight in dresserosa is stated to be able to destroy a continent of ice Don Chin Jou loses to gear 2 luffy then katakuri is able to beat gear 4 luffy who is much stronger than gear 2
Nothing Pain can do against awakened Mochi Mochi. I think Katakuri would just play with Pain like he did with Luffy. He’d probably recreate the Animal Path’s summons down to the minute details, use his Grilled Mochi or Buzz Cut Mochi to recreate the missiles and saws of Asura Path and create a small moon similar to Deva Path’s Chibaku Tensei. The other Pain Paths get bodied hard.
power cliffing at work. One Piece characters can beat or even stomp most Naruto characters but one we get into the top tiers/god tiers of Naruto/Boruto, it becomes such a massive reverse stomp. The war arc really skyrocketed the series: we went from "HOLY SHIT BIJU CAN EASILY DESTROY MOUNTAINS AND MAYBE PARTS OF MOUNTAIN RANGES" to madara casually pulling down country-continent destroying meteors with no effort, Perfect Susanoo completely surpassing the 5 Kage, Continental+ Ten Tails Cataclysm, etc.
@@Void-a7k na the six path character tier of Naruto characters wash one piece. Juubito, the weakest of the tier is already planetary which is where one piece caps out on.
@jayanmazumder359 That is just false. Luffy is called to be well above planetary after lowballing and hes not even in the top 10 of the verse narratively Though yes the top tiers of Naruto/Boruto are vastly stronger than the top tiers of one piece (Not Juubito), the characters who arent top tier are generally stronger in one piece Low tiers- One piece Low-mid tiers- One piece Mid tiers- One piece Mid-high tiers- One piece High tiers- Tossup Top tiers- Naruto
10:04 Gear four bound man is leagues stronger than snake man, snake man is just faster. The only buff he got between dressorsa and whole cake was a haki bloom that didn't affect anything but observation.
@@Tylearnedhi Questions 1. Does edo tensei pain win 2. Does strong genjustu affect one piece verse and is their counter 3. If you cross verse character do you include the light novels Btw very fair analysis
I think my favorite thing about this scenario is that Katakuri has been shown on panel using future sight to see dangerous moves (like Luffy going into G4) and then actively preventing it so if he sees Pain going for something like Chibaku tensei, he can just blitz him, break his arms or hands, punch his shoulders so he can't even move his arms forward (like what he literally did to Luffy to frustrate him). Characters like Katakuri are some of the worst matchups for Naruto characters, especially those with movesets heavily reliant on hand signs.
I personally think Kat wins. Pain lost to a Naruto who was at most Island levels in AP, or maybe higher. Kat was dogging the same luffy who defeated Doffy when in Gear 4 mid diff. the same guy who was slicing the country of dressrosa into pieces. Katakuri would outspeed and out AP pain here. Pain would need hella prep time to even have a chance of defeating katakuri. Edit: I don’t scale Naruto all that much. So he might be stronger that what i said about him here? But idk. So you can correct me if you want
@@sapik7640so what does Naruto during the pain arc scale to? At most i see him being country lvl, but that’s all. I still think Kat wins here overall when it comes to a fight with Pain.
@@thegreatscribbles960 Naruto beat pain with sage jutsu and speed how tf us pain gonna best Kat who has more speed, obv haki, armament haki, and an awakened devil fruit pain literally can inflict damage unless his rods implant chakra in his veins but katakarui is a Paramythia so the rods cant use that function nor can pain touch him without speed Kat knows his evey move
Great video, Would Katakuri be able to use his awakening to turn the surrounding rocks the Chibaku Tensei is absorbing to mochi to negate the impact/damage he will take, if he gets caught by the Chibaku Tensei?
@@evad__1131 yes he does Nagato can't even beat Itachi nor reanimated Itachi Kat scales higher than Itachi as well and Itachi is my goat op vs Naruto isn't fair they fight like dragon balls characters with multiple amps and over long periods of time so a ninja that relies on jutsu and speed isn't going to beat a tank with haki can can't be countered without haki and an awakened devil fruit they've never seen before but Kat knows what pains moves are before he uses them now do you understand especially Kat who can look into the future for more than 4 sec
Kat should win; Pain’s best jutsu at best has island level AP in terms of joules/cc, with most of his other jutsu and his durability scaling nowhere near that. Kat scales above a Dressrosa Luffy who had anywhere from large island to small country AP, and most of his attacks/durability would actually scale there on account of him relying consistently on his physical stats.
The funny thing about Naruto scaling that a lot of people forget is that late shippuden is really when the verse gets strong like Naruto gets kcm 1 like almost 400 episodes in (or something like that)
Flawed FTL scaling for Katakuri: 10:15 first Sanji’s brothers aren’t “stated to be light speed” the raid shit statement is anime only, Ichiji’s light statement refers to his blinding eye attack which isn’t a projectile or soemthing he can’t be faster then since the light is stationary on his eyes, Niji’s light speed blade would be is faster then his base speed otherwise there’d be no point in it, and second Niji the only one with a proper light speed statement downscales his light speed blade in base Base Niji
I generally don’t prefer to reference the Vinsmoke siblings for light speed, so I can largely agree with this refutation with the exception of some points (ie, the motion that Niji’s lightspeed blade would arbitrarily be faster than his “base” speed with the Raid Suit). Even without those two though, Kat does still scale to/above characters who could dodge lasers/lightspeed projectiles in the pre timeskip, so he should still have a decent FTL meta.
Good debunk but it ultimately doesn't matter because Luffy thought Pacifista lasers (confirmed to be replicated Kizaru lasers) were slow and Katakuri is dozens, maybe hundreds of times faster than Fishman Island Luffy. We even see other Yonkou commanders like Sanji be able to move hundreds, possible thousands of meters in order to intercept Kizaru lasers after they had been fired and arrive before they hit their target, making the MFTL speed meta for various yonkou commanders and faster extremely consistent (not saying Katakuri= Egghead Sanji of course, just that the possibility of Kat being 100x FTL is genuinely possible and consistent with other feats from characters like Sanji).
@@Shoddragon that is perfectly fair. The pacifistas laser being lightspeed is exactly the reason why they were the first step at replacing the seven warlords (the fact that they are robotic clones of the 3rd strongest shichibukai after Mihawk and Hancock is reason enough to believe so, in my opinion when they were shichibukai Jinbei, doflamingo and Kuma were pretty much equals and were all weaker than Boa). But after return to sabaody in my opinion everybody's speed doesnt increase until after dressrosa at least, while their durability and strenght gets upped each arc in which they have real fights. fishman island is more the crew letting go of their restraints and most people could beat if not one shot hody before he drugs himself, like monster point chopper would body him in 3 hits at most, franky could KO him using lasers, Brook would cut him up without hody realizing, Robin would break his neck or crush him with giganto mano, Sanji would beat him even easier than zoro did just because he is a better swimmer but they would have the same results in equal conditions, and i think nami and usopp could have actually beaten hody without drugs but it would have taken them longer, most of the crewmates after beating him wouldnt even get boosted by the fight since it wouldnt have been hard enough to grow as fighters. During punk hazard luffy gets beaten only because caesar has hax, he gets practically one punched by luffy and he is over, the other straw hats that have real fights are Sanji vs Vergo that lasts practically minutes and zoro vs the dragon which is a one shot, the rest of the fights happen with changed bodies so i really doubt their fighting capabilities grew at all. On dressrosa they fight actual enemies and grow but half the crew isnt there, while on zou the same thing happens but the other half of the crew does it (technically Sanji fights on both islands against pretty strong opponents but not the rest of them). Until Whole cake island i think most of the crew barely got a real upgrade in terms of endurance, strenght and the likes of it...
Seems like you and Eon need to make a collaboration Vid or a Livestrean, and do random OP vs Naruto Vids even though in the two vids you guys agree on the same result. Idk
Haven’t watch the video but I think pain high diffs, the six paths(particularly the animal path and it’s beast summons)could keep katakuri at bay while the deva path could use chibaku tensei which could overwhelm and defeat him
this is a testament o the fact of that dofflamingo is a better comparative than kat to pain, its supposed to be the first big boss after the time skip, pain, and then dofflamingo, even though naruto verse scales higher than one peice, thats only in the top 14 or so charachters like a madara or Ishiki
Luffy has country level DC by Dressrosa at worst from scaling above Fujitora’s meteors (said meteors couldn’t damage Doffy’s strings whereas Luffy’s King Kong Gun fractured several string tendrils), and going by the actual calcs he’d actually have multi continental DC at least.
@michaeldorsey9231 These calcs all assume that Dressrossa is longer than 9km Can you tell me how they conclude it? And all of the multi continental methods are debunked already as well
To my knowledge the accepted vs battle wiki size for Dressrosa gets it to 17 km wide, based on how it compares to Green Bit, of which the size for that can be found via scaling Law/Doffg on the beach. And Luffy gets to multi continental DC via calcs because he could fracture Doffy’s 16 Holy Bullets; you can get the strength of Doffy’s strings based on their ability to withstand Fujitora’s meteors, apply that to the volume of string that Luffy destroyed with his King Kong Gun, and even the low end results get him to Multi continental.
11:58, you dont need to alter your eyes back to use sharingan abilities, its a major plot hole. We also see madara and obito use sharingan abilities with rinnegan.
Yeah. Uh huh. Sure. Haku, who was defeated by kid Naruto, is lightspeed level. And you think the speed gap between kid Naruto and SAGE Naruto isn’t thousands of times? The One piece bias is absolutely abysmal.
@sapik7640 Yeah, the naruto verse at the point can reach moon level, I think? Maybe I'm wrong. Still, it is a very interesting debate in terms of questions like, "Which naruto character can hit logia users?" or "Would haki(Any haki including Observation haki) be effective against Naruto characters?"
Pain used all the power of his most powerful form and hardly demolished the entire village (most people survived the impact, I mean, konohamaru's team did and at the time they were probably the weakest characters we knew) katakuri beat down luffy in gear 4 several times like it was a walk in the park... Luffy 2 arcs before using a weaker version of Gear 4 practically destroyed an island in one hit while it was "protected" by 3 layers of extremely powerful haki (2 layers of haki coated attacks from doflamingo and doflamingo himself coating with armament haki)... If luffy only hit the ground he would have destroyed the entire island easily. I hope i dont have to tell you how this is on another level from what Pain did right? Luffy after doflamingo used gear 4 against 2 stronger enemies and against Charlotte Cracker he fought for days exhausting and replenishing his powers which made him get better at controlling gear 4 and strengthened his haki, other than evolving his gear 4 into 2 new forms. Luffy by then is easily a continent breaker in Gear 4 base, in Gear 4 Snakeman he demolishes Continents plural. Katakuri kept beating him at that level of power, in every literal stat, be it pure strenght, mass of the attack, haki of each kind, durability, etc etc... Katakuri is Him
@ one the size of the island is not that big so it’s not a island for one secondly pains almighty push country level to continental secondly stop saying they have observation haki that pals in comparison to the rinnegan n sharingan etc pain took on a continent busting attack that is infused with spirit energy and condensed shot at him he ate it no one in one piece is tanking that please stop also the other pains have equal speed as well so stop babbling he literally gave pain two feats that beat katakuri and still said Kuri wins that bias
Pain just doesn't have the scaling to get a win. While later characters in Naruto and Boruto blatantly outscale Kat in AP and overall destructive capacity Pain just..... isn't one of those. Once we get up to madara, we start having him lob down country-continent destroying meteors casually (literally summing 2 of them with ZERO effort), his Perfect Susanoo is considered even more powerful, then he and other get amps like becoming the Juubi junchuuriki and getting Six Paths Senjutsu which amp all stats a lot, etc.
This guy is obviously biased. Just look at his profile picture.😂 He says the most dangerous thing pain has is chibaku tensei, which isn't true because he also has water release which is kryptonite for One Piece characters. Pain wins easily
That’s assuming the water jutsu lands, and that they’re producing enough to actually submerge a devil fruit user for a sustained period. Simply put, Pain doesn’t have any of the speed scaling to say that he could land or trap Kat in any water based jutsu, even assuming he would jump to using that as opposed to his more commonly used jutsu.
Water isn’t devil fruit characters drink water in bathe in water they would literally die if regular water was lethal to them it’s the one piece sea water specifically that is fatal even then Kat has future sight and is way faster he’s not getting touched by a water style Justu even if you wanted to use that retarderded logic
@@Tylearned Pain is literally Yahiko's reanimated corpse. And Yahiko was cracked with water release. Even if you said that Pain can't use any of Yahiko's ninjutsu, he still has the Rinnegan which gives you access to ALL chakra releases.
@JUICE-BOXALT0 fair point. Now counter the fact that by most if not all lines of scaling, katakuri would be much faster to the point that pain couldn't fully submerge katakuri. Also counter the fact that Chakra releases don't make elements out of nothing, it's Chakra acting like water. Pain would be hitting katakuri with an imitation of water, not actual water, so it wouldn't do anything anyhow
I agree with most of the video and that Katakuri wins, but I don't know what to think about the lightspeed statements. It's the same problem with every verse where either a character or some other source claims that someone or something is lightspeed. Japanese people tend to say things like "he moves at the speed of light" in a non-literal way, same as an english speaker would say "it weighs a ton" referring to something that for example weighs only about 50kg. On top of that, the speed of light might not be normalized for every verse, so scaling speed and reaction speed in vs battles between characters from different verses will always be very clunky and we can't just take these statements at face value.
Bro, it's still gg.... vanderdeckin alone could (no exaggerating) wash pain. He could simply just touch pain, then touch the chibaku tensai and just watch pain shit himself, seeing his own ultimate attack hurl towards him instead
Idk about power cliff luffy doesn’t just significantly increase his strength/ap due to learning future sight. Also snakeman isn’t more powerful then any other g4 it’s just faster and more useful in certain moments
You're right gear 4 boundman is more so used for power but still gets a speed increase while Snakeman gets more speed but still gets a power increase @@ArtemPazechko
I think pain wins my sheer numbers and hax even with future sight katakuri cant handle that many people especially if the animal path summons alot (one of them is a giant immortal dog which I don't think he has away to beat)
Maybe if he's dead, i think he turn missiles into mochi, and just open his mouth wide, like flying mochi 🍡 going down in hsi mouth, there's nothing pain could do that damage katakuri, his ability to turn himself into mochi means if he gets pushed or pull he won't be affected.
I just want to remind everyone that while the other path of pain aren’t the best the animal path can still manhandle jirah while not trying and blinded
The one thing i have to say about one piece, how is there not who devil fruit that can generate, create, and manipulate clouds, the skypiea arc, i cant really say, but i will say this has alot of versatile and could be deadly.
@professorpengu502 true, but what I'm saying like becoming it, create weapons, and probably be empowered by it, by inhaling air to make your strength skyrocket, etc, if anyone has anymore ideas, i would love to hear it.
observation haki can allow you to see people that are literally invisible (Shiryu), people that are hiding in buildings are away (Luffy and Sanji sensing Caribou trying to eat shirahoshi) and even see actions/events that haven't taken place yet (Katakuri throughout wholecake island, Luffy in Udon prison, Shanks when he sees Kid reading his railgun, etc). Even a fully powered EMS isn't on that level.
bro pre time skip luffy already was large country to continental levels of strenght, being able to fight and defeat Oars,a giant able to drag countrys Gear 4 Luffy is way beyond i could put Whole Cake Luffy in atleast low planet levels
If pains chibakutensei was an actual black hole katakuri would insta lose but katakuri could see it coming and get out of its range. Pain cant crush him if he just turns the ground into mochi. Im a pain glazer but this is just an unfair fight
@@terronmilligan21seriously dude?? That's not a debate, that's a one sided slaughter. Get not just luffy but the entire verse past kaguya before you even think of jigen
@@terronmilligan21there is no need to even go that far man😂. Considering the fact that even with low balling, otsutsuki go around eating life force of planet for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert to level up. At minimum that will put them at solid planetary which is even a massive lowball as low level otsutsuki like kaguya could create worlds of different principles or momoshiki stated to have destroyed a sun simply because the guy was pissed off on his harvet and even half breeds like hagoromo and toneri can create and destroy the moon with pure ease. Naruto alone in the boruto series is literally causing cracks and tears in the outer space of his solar system just from the sheer amount of chakra he now has, this is a feat shown on screen and confirmed by 2 otsutsuki that naruto was the cause, that alone puts his AP at solar system if the quantity of chakra he has alone can affect the space curvature of his planet. Imagine having that much chakra to be able to endanger your planet and naruto was unaware of this at the time while he was casually working his ass off in the hokage office. That's alone put him above anything one piece has and will ever show. Amd these are feat without any wank of pixel scaling or some "one piece planet is bigger" excuse type Bringing anything boruto is literally overkill as boruto alone has more haxes than his father to begin with and even more abilities, as there are literally so many characters that individual solo the verse, dude literally had a rasengan that uses the planet rotation, never stops and makes him practically untouchable, which he stated that except you can actually stop the planet from rotating which requires nothing less than a god to do, then you cant brute force your way out of uzuhiko rasengan unless he stops it himself. Imagine fodders like kashin, a jiraya clone now having the ability to see INFINITE FUTURES AND TIMELINES with the prescience. I dont know what future sight can do compare to that There is just so much gap between the two verse that it's not funny anymore
Nagato will have a better chance as he gets more mobility and better utilization of his abilities although you need to remove the fact he is immortal though
hey i want to point out something stupid with one peice fans, me being one myself, for character we know not much of like shanks or dragon, they scale them through the roof on what they are speculated to do but when you actually only consider their feats they are not even top 40 or 50
Average one piece glazer what do you expect 😂 his speed scaling for one piece is outdated as well. Oda has recently said no characters can react to light without observation haki
@@Yuh_zhimmy go and read sbs 110 he literally confirms someone gave food to luffy that wasn’t apart of his crew at the reason they weren’t caught is becuase they were moving at the speed of light even the naked eye can’t see it
Eon is very bad at powerscaling, had a debate with him a few months ago and guy doesn’t understand the basic concepts of it and he’s also incredibly bias against Naruto and in favor of one piece. Legit had him admitting to creating his channel to prove OP Characters are better than Naruto characters 😂 But I do agree that katakuri beats pain
Where are your videos then, since you wanna make such big claims. Any proof, you got receipts my guy, or you just talking out your ass? Cuz all I see is heresay bro, and the weakest form of any evidence is eyewitness testimony. Go into a university and tell them you know a universal law you alone discovered because you "said" so. You'd get laughed out of there so fast my dude. Just giving ya shit by the way
@ what are you on about bud. If a guy was making videos about a topic and was incorrectly using the concepts and horribly applying the logic and I debate him, provide him with how it actually works and show him where he’s wrong and bias, then he proceeds to continue to utilize the concepts in an incorrect way, spreading more misinformation about a topic instead, an I critique him about that. How does that make me the bad one lol We weren’t even arguing about characters or anime, we were legit arguing about the process in which powerscaling works. so it’s no longer a subjective argument, he’s just wrong
@@deadrat557 I wouldn’t say I won, it wasn’t an argument to win. the argument just ended over time with him no longer responding with any actual refutations and logic, other than “nuh uh”. I Kinda just moved on to someone else who was also in the discussion It was about verse equalization and power systems in scaling It went all over the place from there tho It was nearly a year ago, when his channel kinda started, so I don’t really remember the nitty gritty details
don't care who wins but youre speaking about king kong gun as if thats luffy's base power rather than something he had to charge. like saying kizaru scales above bajurang gun after getting hit by g 5's normal punches. plus kat was getting heavily damaged by g4's normal punches at the start of the fight.
You failed to bring up how if pain gets a single decent hit on katakuri hes cooked. His durabiliy is ass, luffy only needed a few punches to beat him (also bled from base luffy), AND, his most recent debut in a cover story he was bleeding from a hakiless punch from oven.
😁😆imu vs hagaromo whats up tho 🤣 i guess we dont ever do some of the strongest from both series anymore just to show love to one piece 🤣🤣 but all an all i enjoyed this video an i agree kat probably wins this
@sapik7640 🤣😆 yea that was crazy I know but it just seems like one piece stans only do the fights that the one piece characters win because they do beats people in Naruto just not the stronger ones that's y we have to go alllllllllllll the way back an have pain an kat fight 🤣🤣
Don chinjao could cut whole continent in half alone....luffy boddy him with ease....and luffy was a joke to katakuri. Nagato will be joke to katakuri too
Aang vs Onoki Kaido vs Zygarde Kizaru vs Ultra Necrozma Aokiji vs Esdeath Killua vs Luck Akainu vs Mereoleona Gon vs Deku Saanji vs Blaziken (With Mega) Gaara vs Crocodile Jinbei vs Kisame Finn vs KO
It's due to a few things, for starter the city covered the whole island, which we know is a fairly massive island. Secondly, luffys punch isn't what's destroying it, it's doflamingos body ragdolling into the city, which due to how energy transfer works, luffy basically destroying dressrosa by punching doflamingo that hard means if luffy hit the island directly it would have been obliterated There's also other feats in the arc that back continental range powers, like chinjao and his sons being stated to be able to split an ice continent who's ice Is stronger than steel
Buddy dressrosa is literally a country not a city and there’s details to say dressrosa is the size of a continent because of violat ability and what she said about how far see can see, also Chinjao and say saying they can destroy a continent
@ exactly they said it like so many times then u have sai being said to be able to destroy a continent, I don’t know how the hell this dude got pain to large country or continent with those feats that’s not even large island level
Ahhh don’t know. Your only reason seem to be like: He has Haki. He can prevent it from happening. And a lot of other weak argumentation points. Maybe a little biased… try to be more objective next time! Other than that great video :)
It's not really a weak point, Katakuri is literally famous for using his future sight to stop people from doing dangerous things. One of the first things he does in his fight against Luffy when he decides to go Gear 4th is stop him from doing it in the first place, admits "why the fuck would I sit here and allow you to power up?!?!" and then states outright that he REFUSES to underestimate Luffy. This isn't a random character who dicks around or lets people power up a la Vegeta, Kat legit uses his future sight to give himself enormous advantages by stopping people before they can do dangerous things.
Finally a Katakuri W. It's been 67 years
EXCELLENT TYLEARN WORK. POWER SCALING
Kat just awakens touches the meteor, coats it in haki and bonks pain with that same meteor
not how that works
@@sapik7640 elaborate, katakuri could most definitely do this
@@sapik7640 the fuck you mean not how that works. what ever katakuri touches turns to mochi no real exception to it except if its living or somehing with haki or sea prism material
@@sapik7640 Doffy showed it lol
Pain just universal pulls him absorbs him completely . See how that works ?😂
if Kat got caught in pain's meteor why do you think he couldn't just turn it to mochi?
Exactly he does not think most of one piece battles thoroghly compared to naruto ones where he gets the feats from magazines that are super exxagrated beyond belief. Nagato got his head splitted by being in a cliff while katakuri was fighting against luffy that leveled half of dressrosa with a single punch from gear 4. So much soo luffy was visiblly shaking from the overwhelming power. Katakuri will legit one shot pain with a single mochi punch if he gets to it
Get katakuri past country lvl first 🤣🤣
Ok but like
Whats he gonna do about the black hole?
Its still sucking its surroundings in
Turning the stone into moochi is cool and all
But that isnt what sebakutensai does
Ok so Don chin jou the guy Luffy fight in dresserosa is stated to be able to destroy a continent of ice Don Chin Jou loses to gear 2 luffy then katakuri is able to beat gear 4 luffy who is much stronger than gear 2
Honestly i prefer one piece to Naruto and katakuri is the goat but he ain't doing shit to pain. A single path of pain solo tf Outta him
12:41 Awakened Katakuri can just turn Chibaku Tensei into Mochi..
Nothing Pain can do against awakened Mochi Mochi. I think Katakuri would just play with Pain like he did with Luffy. He’d probably recreate the Animal Path’s summons down to the minute details, use his Grilled Mochi or Buzz Cut Mochi to recreate the missiles and saws of Asura Path and create a small moon similar to Deva Path’s Chibaku Tensei. The other Pain Paths get bodied hard.
Actually thats a great point about the summons..especially with him being awakened he can definitely make as much as if not more than pain
And even if he gets trapped in the Subaku Tensei, he can turn it into mochi with his awakening
Most one piece mid-high tiers just scale higher than Narutos high tiers. They only take the lead with the six path and otsuskis
Precisely, Naruto power gap between tiers just has a far higher gap once you reach the Top tiers compared to OP.
power cliffing at work. One Piece characters can beat or even stomp most Naruto characters but one we get into the top tiers/god tiers of Naruto/Boruto, it becomes such a massive reverse stomp. The war arc really skyrocketed the series: we went from "HOLY SHIT BIJU CAN EASILY DESTROY MOUNTAINS AND MAYBE PARTS OF MOUNTAIN RANGES" to madara casually pulling down country-continent destroying meteors with no effort, Perfect Susanoo completely surpassing the 5 Kage, Continental+ Ten Tails Cataclysm, etc.
I think your one of the least bias people when you compare OP to Naruto
I mean op characters generally scales higher than Naruto characters due to the multiple factors, mainly the power creep
@@Void-a7k na the six path character tier of Naruto characters wash one piece. Juubito, the weakest of the tier is already planetary which is where one piece caps out on.
@jayanmazumder359 That is just false. Luffy is called to be well above planetary after lowballing and hes not even in the top 10 of the verse narratively
Though yes the top tiers of Naruto/Boruto are vastly stronger than the top tiers of one piece (Not Juubito), the characters who arent top tier are generally stronger in one piece
Low tiers- One piece
Low-mid tiers- One piece
Mid tiers- One piece
Mid-high tiers- One piece
High tiers- Tossup
Top tiers- Naruto
@@jayanmazumder359yeah but everyone under that tier for the most part are getting speed blitzed and dogged on by g5 luffy, hybrid kaido etc
There are 3 of them and juubito is not even continental let alobe planetary. @@jayanmazumder359
Aye preciate the shoutout!
The goat himself
Pain Vs Katakuri isn’t close
Soon as Pain hears that musical number, Kat wins Double Glaze Diff
10:04 Gear four bound man is leagues stronger than snake man, snake man is just faster. The only buff he got between dressorsa and whole cake was a haki bloom that didn't affect anything but observation.
Hi, just wanted to comment, great video by the way
Hello
You replied to my comment🤩🤩🤩✨😊, thanks
@@Tylearnedhi
Questions
1. Does edo tensei pain win
2. Does strong genjustu affect one piece verse and is their counter
3. If you cross verse character do you include the light novels
Btw very fair analysis
@@Tylearned can you do kid buu vs z broly
I think my favorite thing about this scenario is that Katakuri has been shown on panel using future sight to see dangerous moves (like Luffy going into G4) and then actively preventing it so if he sees Pain going for something like Chibaku tensei, he can just blitz him, break his arms or hands, punch his shoulders so he can't even move his arms forward (like what he literally did to Luffy to frustrate him). Characters like Katakuri are some of the worst matchups for Naruto characters, especially those with movesets heavily reliant on hand signs.
Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb
ye pain is the bomb
@@sapik7640pain is the baby
@@sapik7640 heck no did u even watch the vid
This is just false Pain has wincons as well
@@CliffordDLewis022 pain has win cons sure but katakuri has better args,win cons(via obv haki and his df),and Better combat skill
I personally think Kat wins. Pain lost to a Naruto who was at most Island levels in AP, or maybe higher. Kat was dogging the same luffy who defeated Doffy when in Gear 4 mid diff. the same guy who was slicing the country of dressrosa into pieces. Katakuri would outspeed and out AP pain here. Pain would need hella prep time to even have a chance of defeating katakuri.
Edit: I don’t scale Naruto all that much. So he might be stronger that what i said about him here? But idk. So you can correct me if you want
oh yea ur wrong btw
@@sapik7640so what does Naruto during the pain arc scale to? At most i see him being country lvl, but that’s all. I still think Kat wins here overall when it comes to a fight with Pain.
Thumbnails are crazy as always
Great video like always. More One Piece vs Naruto videos please
If not for Future sight or speed, I would give Pain the W.
even with future sight i think pain would win if he had better speed
I think even with future sight if hes getting attack by all 6 paths he still wont be able to dodge em all
@thegreatscribbles960 if naruto can katakuri could easily 💀
@@thegreatscribbles960 Naruto beat pain with sage jutsu and speed how tf us pain gonna best Kat who has more speed, obv haki, armament haki, and an awakened devil fruit pain literally can inflict damage unless his rods implant chakra in his veins but katakarui is a Paramythia so the rods cant use that function nor can pain touch him without speed Kat knows his evey move
nah, kat has higher attack power as well
Great video, Would Katakuri be able to use his awakening to turn the surrounding rocks the Chibaku Tensei is absorbing to mochi to negate the impact/damage he will take, if he gets caught by the Chibaku Tensei?
no
Yea
Yeah, thats how Paramecia awakening work, doffy turn dressrosa into strings
Yeah, we know he can do so to any Non-living objects like Doffy does. Doesn't really matter since Kata wins with his Physical Stats alone.
Why not those are just rocks being pulled by gravity right?@@sapik7640
even with chibaku tensei, kat might be able to just use his awakening and make the world's biggest dango
no
@@sapik7640cope Naruturd. Oh I mean Boruturd now 🤣
Or he could just let the meteor hit him and then regenerate.
His body works exactly like a Logia. Pain literally would need haki to even touch him.
Ooh boy! A New Challenger appears! Haven’t seen any videos here before, this feels like a good place to start! 🤘
you are right! its not fair because katakuri is putting his life on the line while Pain is arleady dead being controlled by Nagato
Kat outscales and outclassed him in every way possible
@@Shurashina I am talking about what Pain is , he is a puppet of Nagato, so in an actual fight, it would be Nagato and Pain vs Katakuri...
@@Shurashina doesnt out scale reanimated pain
@danielolaleye2758 reanimated Nagato* and debatable
@@evad__1131 yes he does Nagato can't even beat Itachi nor reanimated Itachi Kat scales higher than Itachi as well and Itachi is my goat op vs Naruto isn't fair they fight like dragon balls characters with multiple amps and over long periods of time so a ninja that relies on jutsu and speed isn't going to beat a tank with haki can can't be countered without haki and an awakened devil fruit they've never seen before but Kat knows what pains moves are before he uses them now do you understand especially Kat who can look into the future for more than 4 sec
Death battle is talking about bringing back Goku and his fight will not be Superman
Make him fight anti spiral 😂😂
Anti spiral 11d will one shot
@@Sking-231 sadly in their podcast anti-spiral was not one of them
I hope they do a rematch with Superman.
Imagine the outrage if Goku loses for the 4th time in a row. LOL
... He could just turn the meteor into mochi no? It what he does in the mirror world with the environment
even as a naruto fan i dont see how pain is winning this especially when Katakuri has precog and better speed feat with similar ap
Pain still wins. Katakuri is my FAVV character in one piece but he loses.
Kat should win; Pain’s best jutsu at best has island level AP in terms of joules/cc, with most of his other jutsu and his durability scaling nowhere near that.
Kat scales above a Dressrosa Luffy who had anywhere from large island to small country AP, and most of his attacks/durability would actually scale there on account of him relying consistently on his physical stats.
Smoothie brain, Katakuri utterly out scales the Pains really hard in All Physical Stats
Having fav character doesn't prove anything
Just started the vid and already got another Pain vs. Kat vid recommended. W.
"Kinda caca" is not something I expected to hear but I'm damn glad I did.
The funny thing about Naruto scaling that a lot of people forget is that late shippuden is really when the verse gets strong like Naruto gets kcm 1 like almost 400 episodes in (or something like that)
I’m a big fan of both Naruto and One Piece and I was kind of wishing pain would win 😢
he does dont worry
@@sapik7640who’s gonna tell him
@@sapik7640he doesn't but you're just upset abt that fact, that's why ur in all these replies coping 😂
Flawed FTL scaling for Katakuri:
10:15 first Sanji’s brothers aren’t “stated to be light speed” the raid shit statement is anime only, Ichiji’s light statement refers to his blinding eye attack which isn’t a projectile or soemthing he can’t be faster then since the light is stationary on his eyes, Niji’s light speed blade would be is faster then his base speed otherwise there’d be no point in it, and second Niji the only one with a proper light speed statement downscales his light speed blade in base Base Niji
I generally don’t prefer to reference the Vinsmoke siblings for light speed, so I can largely agree with this refutation with the exception of some points (ie, the motion that Niji’s lightspeed blade would arbitrarily be faster than his “base” speed with the Raid Suit).
Even without those two though, Kat does still scale to/above characters who could dodge lasers/lightspeed projectiles in the pre timeskip, so he should still have a decent FTL meta.
@ Raid Suit Niji
Good debunk but it ultimately doesn't matter because Luffy thought Pacifista lasers (confirmed to be replicated Kizaru lasers) were slow and Katakuri is dozens, maybe hundreds of times faster than Fishman Island Luffy. We even see other Yonkou commanders like Sanji be able to move hundreds, possible thousands of meters in order to intercept Kizaru lasers after they had been fired and arrive before they hit their target, making the MFTL speed meta for various yonkou commanders and faster extremely consistent (not saying Katakuri= Egghead Sanji of course, just that the possibility of Kat being 100x FTL is genuinely possible and consistent with other feats from characters like Sanji).
“Raid Suit Niji
@@Shoddragon that is perfectly fair.
The pacifistas laser being lightspeed is exactly the reason why they were the first step at replacing the seven warlords (the fact that they are robotic clones of the 3rd strongest shichibukai after Mihawk and Hancock is reason enough to believe so, in my opinion when they were shichibukai Jinbei, doflamingo and Kuma were pretty much equals and were all weaker than Boa).
But after return to sabaody in my opinion everybody's speed doesnt increase until after dressrosa at least, while their durability and strenght gets upped each arc in which they have real fights.
fishman island is more the crew letting go of their restraints and most people could beat if not one shot hody before he drugs himself, like monster point chopper would body him in 3 hits at most, franky could KO him using lasers, Brook would cut him up without hody realizing, Robin would break his neck or crush him with giganto mano, Sanji would beat him even easier than zoro did just because he is a better swimmer but they would have the same results in equal conditions, and i think nami and usopp could have actually beaten hody without drugs but it would have taken them longer, most of the crewmates after beating him wouldnt even get boosted by the fight since it wouldnt have been hard enough to grow as fighters.
During punk hazard luffy gets beaten only because caesar has hax, he gets practically one punched by luffy and he is over, the other straw hats that have real fights are Sanji vs Vergo that lasts practically minutes and zoro vs the dragon which is a one shot, the rest of the fights happen with changed bodies so i really doubt their fighting capabilities grew at all.
On dressrosa they fight actual enemies and grow but half the crew isnt there, while on zou the same thing happens but the other half of the crew does it (technically Sanji fights on both islands against pretty strong opponents but not the rest of them).
Until Whole cake island i think most of the crew barely got a real upgrade in terms of endurance, strenght and the likes of it...
Seems like you and Eon need to make a collaboration Vid or a Livestrean, and do random OP vs Naruto Vids even though in the two vids you guys agree on the same result. Idk
Small crater=large country level
Why do we always need to do this.
Haven’t watch the video but I think pain high diffs, the six paths(particularly the animal path and it’s beast summons)could keep katakuri at bay while the deva path could use chibaku tensei which could overwhelm and defeat him
this is a testament o the fact of that dofflamingo is a better comparative than kat to pain, its supposed to be the first big boss after the time skip, pain, and then dofflamingo, even though naruto verse scales higher than one peice, thats only in the top 14 or so charachters like a madara or Ishiki
Can You Do Whitebeard Vs Madara next
Pain destroys lol
One Piece is island level and slightly ftl at best
Luffy has country level DC by Dressrosa at worst from scaling above Fujitora’s meteors (said meteors couldn’t damage Doffy’s strings whereas Luffy’s King Kong Gun fractured several string tendrils), and going by the actual calcs he’d actually have multi continental DC at least.
@michaeldorsey9231 These calcs all assume that Dressrossa is longer than 9km
Can you tell me how they conclude it?
And all of the multi continental methods are debunked already as well
To my knowledge the accepted vs battle wiki size for Dressrosa gets it to 17 km wide, based on how it compares to Green Bit, of which the size for that can be found via scaling Law/Doffg on the beach.
And Luffy gets to multi continental DC via calcs because he could fracture Doffy’s 16 Holy Bullets; you can get the strength of Doffy’s strings based on their ability to withstand Fujitora’s meteors, apply that to the volume of string that Luffy destroyed with his King Kong Gun, and even the low end results get him to Multi continental.
From what you explained i can definitely see why katakuri wins. So then why do they keep saying your biased to OP.
Can we get a team 7 (including sai and Yamato) vs strawhats or edo itachi and nagato vs black beard and big mom
11:58, you dont need to alter your eyes back to use sharingan abilities, its a major plot hole. We also see madara and obito use sharingan abilities with rinnegan.
I’m sorry pain can’t do anything planetary devastation is useless kat can just turn the meteor to mochi
He can't Mochi an all mighty push 😂
Yeah. Uh huh. Sure. Haku, who was defeated by kid Naruto, is lightspeed level.
And you think the speed gap between kid Naruto and SAGE Naruto isn’t thousands of times? The One piece bias is absolutely abysmal.
Only light speeds in the Mirror technique.
@ which kid sasuke reacted to. So yes, kid Naruto especially enhanced with kurama chakra (0 tails) was ftl.
Comparing OP and Naruto is mostly interesting, as it gets close in terms of powers vs haxes, Haki vs chakra, and the x factors of each character.
meh naruto verse outscales massively
@sapik7640 Yeah, the naruto verse at the point can reach moon level, I think? Maybe I'm wrong. Still, it is a very interesting debate in terms of questions like, "Which naruto character can hit logia users?" or "Would haki(Any haki including Observation haki) be effective against Naruto characters?"
@@JustPanda2305 adult naruto scales to universal. Just to put that in perspective for u
@@sapik7640 Universal? LOL not even close. Dbz slaps naruto BAAAADLY.
@@Reshi500 Facts Adult Naruto is not Universal at all
Just have to say that katakuri took way less punches then luffy did but he still wins do to speed and ob haki
nah
4current admirals vs 4 hokage (akainu vs hashirama, kizaru vs Minato,green bull vs tobirama, fujitora vs tsunade)
Pain is boutta get glazed by mochi
There is no way pain is losing and this intellectual bias
Pain used all the power of his most powerful form and hardly demolished the entire village (most people survived the impact, I mean, konohamaru's team did and at the time they were probably the weakest characters we knew) katakuri beat down luffy in gear 4 several times like it was a walk in the park...
Luffy 2 arcs before using a weaker version of Gear 4 practically destroyed an island in one hit while it was "protected" by 3 layers of extremely powerful haki (2 layers of haki coated attacks from doflamingo and doflamingo himself coating with armament haki)...
If luffy only hit the ground he would have destroyed the entire island easily.
I hope i dont have to tell you how this is on another level from what Pain did right?
Luffy after doflamingo used gear 4 against 2 stronger enemies and against Charlotte Cracker he fought for days exhausting and replenishing his powers which made him get better at controlling gear 4 and strengthened his haki, other than evolving his gear 4 into 2 new forms.
Luffy by then is easily a continent breaker in Gear 4 base, in Gear 4 Snakeman he demolishes Continents plural.
Katakuri kept beating him at that level of power, in every literal stat, be it pure strenght, mass of the attack, haki of each kind, durability, etc etc...
Katakuri is Him
@ one the size of the island is not that big so it’s not a island for one secondly pains almighty push country level to continental secondly stop saying they have observation haki that pals in comparison to the rinnegan n sharingan etc pain took on a continent busting attack that is infused with spirit energy and condensed shot at him he ate it no one in one piece is tanking that please stop also the other pains have equal speed as well so stop babbling he literally gave pain two feats that beat katakuri and still said Kuri wins that bias
Pain just doesn't have the scaling to get a win. While later characters in Naruto and Boruto blatantly outscale Kat in AP and overall destructive capacity Pain just..... isn't one of those. Once we get up to madara, we start having him lob down country-continent destroying meteors casually (literally summing 2 of them with ZERO effort), his Perfect Susanoo is considered even more powerful, then he and other get amps like becoming the Juubi junchuuriki and getting Six Paths Senjutsu which amp all stats a lot, etc.
This guy is obviously biased.
Just look at his profile picture.😂
He says the most dangerous thing pain has is chibaku tensei, which isn't true because he also has water release which is kryptonite for One Piece characters.
Pain wins easily
That’s assuming the water jutsu lands, and that they’re producing enough to actually submerge a devil fruit user for a sustained period.
Simply put, Pain doesn’t have any of the speed scaling to say that he could land or trap Kat in any water based jutsu, even assuming he would jump to using that as opposed to his more commonly used jutsu.
Water isn’t devil fruit characters drink water in bathe in water they would literally die if regular water was lethal to them it’s the one piece sea water specifically that is fatal even then Kat has future sight and is way faster he’s not getting touched by a water style Justu even if you wanted to use that retarderded logic
Show me anytime Pain has used a fucking water jutsu
@@Tylearned Pain is literally Yahiko's reanimated corpse. And Yahiko was cracked with water release.
Even if you said that Pain can't use any of Yahiko's ninjutsu, he still has the Rinnegan which gives you access to ALL chakra releases.
@JUICE-BOXALT0 fair point. Now counter the fact that by most if not all lines of scaling, katakuri would be much faster to the point that pain couldn't fully submerge katakuri. Also counter the fact that Chakra releases don't make elements out of nothing, it's Chakra acting like water. Pain would be hitting katakuri with an imitation of water, not actual water, so it wouldn't do anything anyhow
I agree with most of the video and that Katakuri wins, but I don't know what to think about the lightspeed statements. It's the same problem with every verse where either a character or some other source claims that someone or something is lightspeed. Japanese people tend to say things like "he moves at the speed of light" in a non-literal way, same as an english speaker would say "it weighs a ton" referring to something that for example weighs only about 50kg. On top of that, the speed of light might not be normalized for every verse, so scaling speed and reaction speed in vs battles between characters from different verses will always be very clunky and we can't just take these statements at face value.
6v1???
Give him his brother and sisters to equal it out. And he still mid diff help or no help😂
my ranked teammates:
So can we get whole cake luffy(before and after kat fight) vs pain
Bro, it's still gg.... vanderdeckin alone could (no exaggerating) wash pain. He could simply just touch pain, then touch the chibaku tensai and just watch pain shit himself, seeing his own ultimate attack hurl towards him instead
@dominicmalinauskas2147 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Idk about power cliff luffy doesn’t just significantly increase his strength/ap due to learning future sight. Also snakeman isn’t more powerful then any other g4 it’s just faster and more useful in certain moments
Also I’m not a pro powerscaler and im talking of memory so I could be wrong(I also don’t necessarily disagree with Kat W) idk man it’s just anime 💀💀
You're right gear 4 boundman is more so used for power but still gets a speed increase while Snakeman gets more speed but still gets a power increase @@ArtemPazechko
it would still be a speed boost
I think pain wins my sheer numbers and hax even with future sight katakuri cant handle that many people especially if the animal path summons alot (one of them is a giant immortal dog which I don't think he has away to beat)
Can Katakuri turn 6 paths of pains into mochi ?
Maybe if he's dead, i think he turn missiles into mochi, and just open his mouth wide, like flying mochi 🍡 going down in hsi mouth, there's nothing pain could do that damage katakuri, his ability to turn himself into mochi means if he gets pushed or pull he won't be affected.
Do you do your thumbnails
😆dang nobody respect Naruto no more huh 🤣🤣
He didn't lose due to plot, that's just not true.
I just want to remind everyone that while the other path of pain aren’t the best the animal path can still manhandle jirah while not trying and blinded
The one thing i have to say about one piece, how is there not who devil fruit that can generate, create, and manipulate clouds, the skypiea arc, i cant really say, but i will say this has alot of versatile and could be deadly.
The dragon fruit can create clouds
Smoker but healthier
@professorpengu502 true, but what I'm saying like becoming it, create weapons, and probably be empowered by it, by inhaling air to make your strength skyrocket, etc, if anyone has anymore ideas, i would love to hear it.
@@Cyberskullxx oh you mean a cloud logia?
@@wilfridekoue1405 or paramecia
Cool bro, subbed 👀
Bro is actually stuck in 2023 with these dumb scales
Don’t forget that the rennigan allows the user to see in full 360 degrees
Uh, I think you got it confused with the Byakugan, which belongs to the Hyuga Clan.
But observation haki is in fact allows the user to see in full 360 degrees.
observation haki can allow you to see people that are literally invisible (Shiryu), people that are hiding in buildings are away (Luffy and Sanji sensing Caribou trying to eat shirahoshi) and even see actions/events that haven't taken place yet (Katakuri throughout wholecake island, Luffy in Udon prison, Shanks when he sees Kid reading his railgun, etc). Even a fully powered EMS isn't on that level.
bro pre time skip luffy already was large country to continental levels of strenght, being able to fight and defeat Oars,a giant able to drag countrys
Gear 4 Luffy is way beyond
i could put Whole Cake Luffy in atleast low planet levels
fuck no
Hell nah. Current gear 5 luffy full power is country level what are you on about
The only wrong thing about the video is that Bounceman is stronger than Katakuri.
If pains chibakutensei was an actual black hole katakuri would insta lose but katakuri could see it coming and get out of its range. Pain cant crush him if he just turns the ground into mochi. Im a pain glazer but this is just an unfair fight
JIGEN VS LUFFY NEXT PLS
I JUST LOOKED IT UP TO NO ONE HAS DONE IT YET
@@terronmilligan21seriously dude?? That's not a debate, that's a one sided slaughter. Get not just luffy but the entire verse past kaguya before you even think of jigen
@ Ik jigen wins brother just like everyone who watched this vid knows Katakuri win. I just need it for evidence for op wankers
@@terronmilligan21there is no need to even go that far man😂.
Considering the fact that even with low balling, otsutsuki go around eating life force of planet for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert to level up. At minimum that will put them at solid planetary which is even a massive lowball as low level otsutsuki like kaguya could create worlds of different principles or momoshiki stated to have destroyed a sun simply because the guy was pissed off on his harvet and even half breeds like hagoromo and toneri can create and destroy the moon with pure ease.
Naruto alone in the boruto series is literally causing cracks and tears in the outer space of his solar system just from the sheer amount of chakra he now has, this is a feat shown on screen and confirmed by 2 otsutsuki that naruto was the cause, that alone puts his AP at solar system if the quantity of chakra he has alone can affect the space curvature of his planet. Imagine having that much chakra to be able to endanger your planet and naruto was unaware of this at the time while he was casually working his ass off in the hokage office. That's alone put him above anything one piece has and will ever show. Amd these are feat without any wank of pixel scaling or some "one piece planet is bigger" excuse type
Bringing anything boruto is literally overkill as boruto alone has more haxes than his father to begin with and even more abilities, as there are literally so many characters that individual solo the verse, dude literally had a rasengan that uses the planet rotation, never stops and makes him practically untouchable, which he stated that except you can actually stop the planet from rotating which requires nothing less than a god to do, then you cant brute force your way out of uzuhiko rasengan unless he stops it himself.
Imagine fodders like kashin, a jiraya clone now having the ability to see INFINITE FUTURES AND TIMELINES with the prescience. I dont know what future sight can do compare to that
There is just so much gap between the two verse that it's not funny anymore
what about rinne tensei nagato vs katakuri?
great video tho
Nagato will have a better chance as he gets more mobility and better utilization of his abilities although you need to remove the fact he is immortal though
Why are we acting like this is close? Pain would genuinely lose to hody jones.
Nahhhhh fam,not hody,katakuri would body him but not jones
hordy jones is part 1 naruto vic stop glazing lmao
@@GodEditz300
We can debate about Hody jones vs Pain
Underwater, sure... On land... Nope
Ok… hody jones is wild💀 if we were to take pain and scale him into one piece, he would be high warlord level - 2nd yonko commander level
I didn't expect One Piece to win a fight against Naruto
Bruh one piece characters in general are stronger than Naruto characters
@@AshutoshPandey-yg3ii😂😂 cap
Cap!!!!!!😂@@AshutoshPandey-yg3ii
@@AshutoshPandey-yg3ii ur just wrong bro
@ Cap
hey i want to point out something stupid with one peice fans, me being one myself, for character we know not much of like shanks or dragon, they scale them through the roof on what they are speculated to do but when you actually only consider their feats they are not even top 40 or 50
Chibaku tensei was what was used to make the moon in narutoverse
You glossed over pains sealing abilities rinnegan absorption , rinne rebirth , Battle iq…
Average one piece glazer what do you expect 😂 his speed scaling for one piece is outdated as well. Oda has recently said no characters can react to light without observation haki
@@DataZahardThis was NEVER stated by Oda my guy 💀 where tf did you get this info????
@@Yuh_zhimmy go and read sbs 110 he literally confirms someone gave food to luffy that wasn’t apart of his crew at the reason they weren’t caught is becuase they were moving at the speed of light even the naked eye can’t see it
@@Yuh_zhimmy without haki assisting characters in one piece they cannot perceive it confirmed by Oda
@@Yuh_zhimmy he also confirmed zunishas actual height being 5000m only so no more one piece planet being the same size as a star 🤫
Eon is very bad at powerscaling, had a debate with him a few months ago and guy doesn’t understand the basic concepts of it and he’s also incredibly bias against Naruto and in favor of one piece. Legit had him admitting to creating his channel to prove OP Characters are better than Naruto characters 😂
But I do agree that katakuri beats pain
Where are your videos then, since you wanna make such big claims. Any proof, you got receipts my guy, or you just talking out your ass? Cuz all I see is heresay bro, and the weakest form of any evidence is eyewitness testimony. Go into a university and tell them you know a universal law you alone discovered because you "said" so. You'd get laughed out of there so fast my dude. Just giving ya shit by the way
@ what are you on about bud. If a guy was making videos about a topic and was incorrectly using the concepts and horribly applying the logic and I debate him, provide him with how it actually works and show him where he’s wrong and bias, then he proceeds to continue to utilize the concepts in an incorrect way, spreading more misinformation about a topic instead, an I critique him about that. How does that make me the bad one lol
We weren’t even arguing about characters or anime, we were legit arguing about the process in which powerscaling works. so it’s no longer a subjective argument, he’s just wrong
@@nbell0089
What was the topic about?
How did u win?
@@deadrat557 I wouldn’t say I won, it wasn’t an argument to win. the argument just ended over time with him no longer responding with any actual refutations and logic, other than “nuh uh”.
I Kinda just moved on to someone else who was also in the discussion
It was about verse equalization and power systems in scaling
It went all over the place from there tho
It was nearly a year ago, when his channel kinda started, so I don’t really remember the nitty gritty details
Kata absolutely bullies
don't care who wins but youre speaking about king kong gun as if thats luffy's base power rather than something he had to charge. like saying kizaru scales above bajurang gun after getting hit by g 5's normal punches. plus kat was getting heavily damaged by g4's normal punches at the start of the fight.
You failed to bring up how if pain gets a single decent hit on katakuri hes cooked. His durabiliy is ass, luffy only needed a few punches to beat him (also bled from base luffy), AND, his most recent debut in a cover story he was bleeding from a hakiless punch from oven.
Couldnt katakuri just turn the meteor into mochi? Genuine question.
😁😆imu vs hagaromo whats up tho 🤣 i guess we dont ever do some of the strongest from both series anymore just to show love to one piece 🤣🤣 but all an all i enjoyed this video an i agree kat probably wins this
imu vs a 5d god that transcends through space and time
@sapik7640 🤣😆 yea that was crazy I know but it just seems like one piece stans only do the fights that the one piece characters win because they do beats people in Naruto just not the stronger ones that's y we have to go alllllllllllll the way back an have pain an kat fight 🤣🤣
Would katakuri turn the meteors to mochi,and just walk out.
Don chinjao could cut whole continent in half alone....luffy boddy him with ease....and luffy was a joke to katakuri. Nagato will be joke to katakuri too
Aang vs Onoki
Kaido vs Zygarde
Kizaru vs Ultra Necrozma
Aokiji vs Esdeath
Killua vs Luck
Akainu vs Mereoleona
Gon vs Deku
Saanji vs Blaziken (With Mega)
Gaara vs Crocodile
Jinbei vs Kisame
Finn vs KO
Dude… WHAT????,
Zygarde, Ultra Necrozma & BASE Blaziken ALL SLAM 😭
Pain shits on katakuri
Do you think the otsutsuki can reach the one piece ?
Bro what is this question
@@Tylearned basically can the otsutsuki find the one piece
@@Tylearned can the otsutsuki following the same path as the straw hats from the east blue up until now reach the one piece
I think they can easily they have crazy sensory ability's and shibai definitely can
If they can scale higher in every arc like that crew, so yes pretty much easy
hi tygoat
So boruto's char solo ?
Animal path bullies😢
What about nagato.....he has all this power + 10tails husk + soul dragon...
About the chibaku tensei can't katakuri just turn it into mochi with his awakening
Expected from a one piece pfp ngl 🤦🏾♂️
Haki is so busted😭🙏
It is the first time pain won in you videos
I love power scaling...
*shows city sized destruction*
"Continental level"
It's due to a few things, for starter the city covered the whole island, which we know is a fairly massive island. Secondly, luffys punch isn't what's destroying it, it's doflamingos body ragdolling into the city, which due to how energy transfer works, luffy basically destroying dressrosa by punching doflamingo that hard means if luffy hit the island directly it would have been obliterated
There's also other feats in the arc that back continental range powers, like chinjao and his sons being stated to be able to split an ice continent who's ice Is stronger than steel
@AveryShort-kg4pt tl;dr
Buddy dressrosa is literally a country not a city and there’s details to say dressrosa is the size of a continent because of violat ability and what she said about how far see can see, also Chinjao and say saying they can destroy a continent
@blueblade6174 in dressrosa it's literally stated some dudes continental level, and luffy beats him with gear 3
@ exactly they said it like so many times then u have sai being said to be able to destroy a continent, I don’t know how the hell this dude got pain to large country or continent with those feats that’s not even large island level
I just like how op pain was, was showed again when nagato fought kcm 1 naruto, he was THAT powerful
Yeah, but nagato was way stronger than his six paths of pain and he was an edo
I dont like this. Only because i really like pains abilities. I havent watched one piece so i know im biased.
Hi also just wanted to comment
will pains rinnegan surpass this gyatt-
What was pain's trump card again? Chewbaca Tensei?
this is big
Nogato would wipe katakuri
this guy STAYS on the naruto downplay smh
Ahhh don’t know. Your only reason seem to be like: He has Haki. He can prevent it from happening. And a lot of other weak argumentation points. Maybe a little biased… try to be more objective next time! Other than that great video :)
It's not really a weak point, Katakuri is literally famous for using his future sight to stop people from doing dangerous things. One of the first things he does in his fight against Luffy when he decides to go Gear 4th is stop him from doing it in the first place, admits "why the fuck would I sit here and allow you to power up?!?!" and then states outright that he REFUSES to underestimate Luffy. This isn't a random character who dicks around or lets people power up a la Vegeta, Kat legit uses his future sight to give himself enormous advantages by stopping people before they can do dangerous things.