i drove armoured vehicles with th rr b series engine for 19 yrs,and never once did they break down.finest engine in the world,precisin engineering at its best
i dare say there is still a few crated new engines in sweden the centurion tank was was still in service in the late 70s i had a running mk 2b one with the roller rockers starter always sounded like a bag of ball bearings
As previously said, the Meteor was a tank engine. They were either "flawed" engines that could not go into aircraft or engines recovered and rebuilt from damaged aircraft. As a tank engine they were naturally aspirated, regardless of if they were built as a Meteor or rebuilt from a Merlin which had superchargers. As per usual in the war effort, they were assembled in the Rover car factory!
Hey @jbbumpkim Many Rolls Royce Merlin engines were built in Detroit Michigan USA at the Packard Car Factory .. They said Packard built higher quality than the British engines were.. In the USA many pulling Tractors use the Allison engine some of the later Allison's had two speed Superchargers and think Rolls Royce had that feature too. Both used Centrifugal vane superchargers not roots blowers like BM made for truck engines.. and heavy Equiptment engines..
@@mikeskidmore6754 There was no difference between Packard or RR built Merlins, this is a fallacy. Read the book ''The Merlin In Perspective'' from the RR Heritage Library. Packards built their engines to RR sopecifications and were identical in performance and standard of build. People are just perpetrating bullshit.
@jbbumpkin Not quite. The blocks are different, the Meteor also used a different crank and cams for opposite (CCW) rotation. The pistons were cast not forged and many other parts that did not need to be made to aircraft spec and standards were used. Different animal built at a different factory to a different spec.
@@TheLRider I watched a whole video that claims the Packard built engines were built to better specs and higher tolerances . better more modern machinery.
Impressive build. Would love to see it on a sled. The throttle cable routing does concern me a bit though. Something grabs that puppy and its going to lock wide open. Hope you have a way to chop the fuel. Killing the spark might not stop it.
Not really. This was originally a Meteor, with superchargers added by the owner. The Merlin was manufactured with superchargers by R&R. I admit, this is probably a case of hairsplitting.
I'm real surprised that a single carb on each blower can supply nowhere near enough fuel to keep that thing from starving but I guess it must work. You got a badass pulling tractor !!
A lot of people have had their concerns. Personally, I am not experience enough with engines/carbs this size to tell if it would work or not. All I can say is that the builder, my friend Olle, got it more or less right at first try. And these carbs are really large! And I agree, the tractor is badass. A very nice build.
I think youre overestimating the displacement and power of this engine compared to 2 800 ci v8. 2 1050 dominators should be damn near enough for 1650 ci at 4500 rpm, and they make up to 1475 cfm if you want more rpm.
Of course it's lean. 5.7L engine needs minimum 750 cfm of air. This thing would need approximately 3500 cfm to operate. So double everything (carb, blowers, and fuel) and it would really run. At minimum a huge 1 inch fuel line and much bigger pump to support this hungry beast. I would suggest a pair of 12v71 blowers with dual predator carbs on each, fed by four Holley red pumps. That big Allison is hungry! Feed the beast!!
A lot of people have been trying to point this out before. Still, it does not run lean. The carbs were recommended by Holley for this specific setup and I seriously doubt they are so incompetent they would recommend too small carbs. You are missing one important point here. This is not running at the same revs as a 5.7L V8, and since the RPM stands in direct proportion to the air flow need (cfm), your assumption is incorrect. With the same cui to cfm ratio but running at half the RPM, the Meteor needs 1762 cfm based on the 750 cfm for a 5.7 L V8 you stated. Two Holley Ultra Dominator can provide 2500 cfm of flow, which is enough for this engine running at this rpm.
@@LinusNil you're right! I hadn't considered the rpm being probably what, 2500? Those engines are often called Allisons here in the states. I have always liked them in pulling tractors and yours is no exception. I guess it just looks a tad small with just the two carbs.
@@turbo1438 Indeed, these engines are incredible! They are huge in comparison to the power output though, but this is common among engines which are supposed to handle high load for long duration of time. Also modern engines used in similar applications (marine, heavy machinery etc) have relatively low power output to cylinder volume ratio. It is relatively light though, being completely aluminum (both heads and block).
My only concern,is the jack-shaft and pillow bearing setup,that is running the front-ward Charger....those bearings are not great for high rpm applications and those pillow blocks are cast and like to shatter from heat...good concept,but She needs some CNC'd billet pillows and some dual roller bearings(or high speed,sealed w/nylon retainers) and it'll be bulletproof....she sounds awesome!
You are probably right that billet made blocks would be stronger. These have however proven to work fine for several years, and several runs since this startup. I'd say that heat is nothing to be worried about, but if the builder (my friend Olle) asked for my advise, I would probably offer to machine some stronger bearing blocks for him.
As a complete outsider to this awesome sport what sort of gearbox would you use to transfer that sort of power. Good luck for the future and I think When that R J Mitchel designed it he never imagined the engine would still be being used in such a sport 80 years later.
Good question about the gearbox. What's interesting is that the gearbox is an untouched original gearbox from the Volvo T470 Bison. The quality is quite impressive. The engine power has been increased from 73 hp to more than 1000 hp, and both gearbox and rear axle are working flawlessly for run after run. The clutch has been replaced however. The current one is some kind of centrifugal clutch with manual override, manufacture by someone in Finland. I did not build this machine (a friend of mine did), so I'm not familiar with all the details.
I would have special made metal fuel lines. that's more safer metal fuel lines all the way from the tank to the carburetors. I would also make some chrome custom belt covers for safety reasons to. That is a beautiful machine. Love them rolls Royce v12's such a unique beautiful craftsmanship there.
Nice looking tractor and a good idea of the roots blowers on the Rolls.... first one I've seen "built" with roots blowers like that. However, I think you're headed for some catastrophic problems "down the road".... if not on your first pull on the hook and under load. 1) I Never would even consider utilizing a "jackshaft" for that application, 2) you definitely should have an "idler" pulley on your main drive belt from the crank, 3) I would never have those fuel lines situated the way that you do... especially in relation to the drive belt, and 4) you should really consider some kind of "guard shields" for all your belt drives... so that when they let go, you can keep the damage to a minimum.... at least, externally. The sanctioning body for your pulls must have pretty relaxed rules to even allow that setup. The idea is Great, but unfortunately... the execution of it... not so much. Why didn't you go with a coupled direct drive setup between your blowers which would eliminate the jackshaft and two belts?? I realize that you would have to have a new end plate cover custom made for the rear of the driven blower between the two blowers, as well as a shaft extension from the crank driven rotor to the coupler, but it probably wouldn't cost you much more than what you probably already have in your current setup with two unnecessary belts, idler pulleys & brackets, jackshaft & bearings and fabrication of the jackshaft pedestal..... and it would be a lot more sanitary setup, while reducing potential parts breakage by at least 50 percent. I would use an industrial flexible coupler... not a slip or chain & sprocket setup, due to the fact that you would have to have 100 percent Perfect alignment between the two blowers to use a Non-flexible coupler.... but a flexible coupler would allow for any possible, however slight... variance between the two blowers. Someone below here, in the comments, asked why you didn't use a coupler from a 16V71 (or, at least that's what they were referring to without naming it).... you cannot do that, that easily. In order to use the factory blower drive setup from a V16, you would have to acquire the actual blowers from a 16V71, because the "rear" blower (the one that is gear driven from the engine) has a special rotor and shaft setup in it, which extends through the forward endplate and coupling with the forward blower. Unless you can replicate that setup, the factory coupling will Not work on your 8V71 blowers. How many rpms and how much torque are the jackshaft bearings rated for? What is your ratio between the crankshaft speed and blowers?.... it appears that the gilmer drive pulleys on the jackshaft are slightly smaller than the driven pulley on the shaft from the crank pulley.... are they over-driven by 10 to 20 percent?? How are you oiling the drive end gears of the blowers?... or are they just "statically" lubed within the end-case, and not pressure lubed from the engine?? I assume that you had the rotor lobes "prepped" and sealed for use with the carbs (and the gasoline) on your draw-through system? Maybe it was the camera angles, but I did NOT see any "burst panels" built into the plenum boxes under the blowers..... if you don't have any - you Will regret not having them at some point... you "should" have Four (4)... one at each end of your plenum boxes.... but you can get away with One in each plenum... sometimes. I wish you well... and good luck with it. If it were me though, I would be doing some serious re-configuring of the setup, Before I would ever put it under load. It would be really sad to see all the hard work and money you put into it.... go "ka - boom" (as if that doesn't happen in any form of motor sports, already ; ). Longevity of the engine... is All in the most minute of details.... and you have some details, that need some "re-evaluating".
This is not a finished build. What you see in this vid is a brief test run. This means that not all shields were in place, the fuel lines not properly routed etc. Also, I did not build this machine so I can't answer all your questions. All I can say is that it has worked well this far. There are burst panels, and they work. Bearings are not rated for torque, but for radial/axial load and RPM. I have checked the numbers and they are indeed running a bit on the limits but it does not seem critical to me. Especially since each run is short so temperature should not be a big issue. Regarding super chargers; I don't know much about these to be honest. The chargers are however rebuilt for this particular purpose. I believe this was done in the US but I don't know much more. Regarding the belt drive, all parts for that one (belts, wheels etc) were selected by the manufacturer/agent of the drive components.
@@LinusNil dont listen to them yanks no wonder we call them septic tanks ! so full of shit i think that blower set up is better as youre not driving one through the other and belts are very reliable it running in line keep up the work what bhp did it produce and is it still running
Dare I say it needs more carbs and fuel pumps. I guess it will only turn 3-3500 rpm but at 27 litres probably requires two carbs per blower. Say to 750s and probably HP vacc secondaries
I'm afraid there are no dyno results from this. No one really knows the power output. The original R&R Meteor engine was about 550-650 hp. This has upgraded carbs and two super chargers. I'd guess it's at least 1000 hp. The factory super charged version of the same engine, the Merlin, was 880 to 1160 hp according to Wikipedia.
You're not alone being perplexed about how these old tractors hold together. The base is a BM-Volvo T 470 Bison. These tractors had a 73 hp engine. The power output of this thing is probably around 1000-1200 hp (maybe more, no one knows). The engine is directly coupled to the original gearbox and rear axle! Just think about it; power has been increased by 15-20 times and the old gearbox and rear axle have no problems dealing with it. Another guy I know has a 38 L Transmash V12 diesel in the same tractor. No problem. Yet another friend did put the same transmash engine in a Fordson Super Major. That rear axle was split in two.
Those are actual Detroit blowers given away by the angled hold down bolts... why didn't you couple them end to end directly as they would be in a factory twin blower Application and ditch the jack shaft? The load on those belts WILL rip that aluminum sheet metal bracket off... maybe not right away but eventually...
@desertmandan123 apart from 27lts and cast in iron against 36.7lts and cast in aluminium, the meteor was primarily used in tanks and land based equipment. N/A it gave about 600hp. The griffon made up to 2420hp in certain wartime versions, and in unlimited old iron racing, is made to give a darn sight more than that. They interestingly rotated in opposite directions, when viewed from the front.
Around 1000-1200 hp from 27 liters is quite tame yes. These engines were built to last hour after hour on heavy load, not for drag racing. Another friend has a 38 liter Transmash V12 diesel. About the same case there. The power output in respect to cylinder volume is relatively low.
Yuppers. Once I git this thang farred up I'm gonna plow me sum dirt an' nen playent corn, don't cha know, 'at is iffen I kin keep th' frunt tars onna grayund. Aw heck. 'At snot gonna wurk, so I midus wayull go a-tractor pullin'. (Shure hope she stays t'gether at th' Pull or it could be a long walk home.) Forgive me, but I had to have a little fun. However, it would be a world record time if you really did plow a section with that monster.
meteors are land based engines for tanks ie conquer and chieftain and do not have turbo super charges, some blocks surfaced recently from M.O.D reserves that was reconditiond and held for the 91 gulf war, they where clear for ac conversations.
Mr Tractorboy The merlin or any other RR aero engine NEVER used a TURBOcharger, they were all mechanically driven, learn the difference, US P38 P47 B17 B24 did use a TURBO system that fed the mechanical supercharger for a 2 stage system !!!
This is all way outside my experience, so I'm not about to make any technical comments or critical observations about the set-up. I'm ESPECIALLY not going to make any stupid 'mine's bigger/we've got more/ours is better than yours/we're Number One' comments that this kind of video always seems to attract from little boys who ought to know better. What I AM going to say is that it's great to see people engaged in doing something that they love. Doing it because they're passionate about it - committed, dedicated, obsessed, even - and doing no harm except maybe to the sensibilities of that uppity Greta Iceberg person. Well, nuts to her. This is excellent. Good luck! :-)
To be clear: The tractor is not built by me, but a friend of mine. All credits go to Olle Andersson. Here is another video of the tractor in action: ruclips.net/video/Xj05pkRT-oQ/видео.html
Here is another Volvo BM Bison by another friend of mine. This one has a Russian Transmash 12 cyl 38 litre diesel engine. ruclips.net/video/-Opa-M4TdHA/видео.html
Nice tractor, but the jackshaft connecting the blowers is only secured to a custom mount on the valve cover??? And the bearings aren't built to turn the kind of R's that shaft will be spinning at WOT. I wouldn't want to be near it when it gets under load but I would like to see it. Damn good looking machine though.
I'm not to worried about either bearings or the shaft mounting. High RPM:s are only for really short periods of time, and at those moments the RPM of the shaft will be about the limiting RPM of the bearing units. Regarding the mounts; the valve covers are extremely sturdy. Just see how many bolts there are keeping them in place. And and the shape of them and thickness of the material makes me believe durability is not an issue there. I say thanks on behalf of the builder (Olle)!
Are the valve covers aluminum? I was thinking more about the aluminum breaking instead of the bolts, but sort of figured that anyone who could piece together a machine like that would have probably thought that through well enough to feel comfortable with the load. Looks risky from here but all the viewer has is a video too go by. I hope it works out well. I really enjoy the creativity and fabrication that goes into building one of these. Those blowers sound great. Best of luck with it!
Nothing is perfect, and we all make bad judgements now and then. We (me, my friends incl Olle who built this tractor) are all "amateurs" in a way. We are pretty good at what we do, but we make mistakes. Minimizing risks is always a priority, but I'd be lying if I said we never had an accident :)
Very true about not being perfect. There are no books on how to do this. Mistakes and accidents are part of learning. Life is a hard teacher - we get the lesson AFTER the test. Looks like a lot was learned on this build.
I think that the biggest lesson learned when it comes to the superchargers was the importance of really big pressure release valves on the manifold. I can only say that the first ones were not big enough...
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Am I the only one that flinched when that beast first fired up?LOL
That engine is awesome i bet it sounds wonderful in person , supercharger wonderful !
It's so weird to hear blower surge on a high-displacement V-12! I'm so used to hearing that on V-8's! Awesome setup, my friend!
I'll forward your compliments to Olle, the guy behind this thing.
The blower drive setup looks great! Fuel lines and filters, an afterthought...
Scooter George as mentioned before: it was not finished.
i drove armoured vehicles with th rr b series engine for 19 yrs,and never once did they break down.finest engine in the world,precisin engineering at its best
She ticks over beautifully nice and smooth.
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First thought that came in to my head with it fired up was....................smooth!
2:12 I jumped out of my skin and wasn't even there in person 😂
Hah me and my buddy did the same thing
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I think jay leno would love this tractor!
Damn slick lookin/sounding setup. 👍👍
LinusNil: Finished
Farmer: I need field ploughed
Bugger. I was hoping he'd plough a field with it. 😎
I'd call that tug outta the barn a full pull for sure 👍👍
I'm wearing headphones to this and the startup actually scared the shit out of me.
I have an 8V-71 in my garage that I picked up for $100, I wish the V series blowers had as much aftermarket support as the I series...
He will plow the fields in record time with that rig.
Not enough traction, will not plow faster than other 2wd tractors of the same weight, probably slower due to more weight on the front.
Nicely done! Clean done right
Good Job!
Thank you 🙂
WHAT A BEAST!
NICE, LOOKS LIKE A GOOD INSTALLATION!
Nice! All you need now is a ship for it to power! Or at least a train or something. It’ll be hyper power!
when you have to till your lawn at 8 but win a world war at 10.
When Country gives subvention to farmers from peoples, government budget.
@@borivojetravica569 Incredibly ignorant comment. The builder is not a farmer and the money put into this are earned and taxed through hard work.
@@LinusNil sorry man, but looks like that....
@@borivojetravica569 No it does not. It does not look like this was built from tax money. At all. But apology accepted.
I see a pair of standard pillow block bearings on that shaft,,,, totally seeing that blowing apart at full RPM!!!
Well, it haven't. And this has been running a lot by now.
Well, when you build your own 'the right way', please don't forget to show it to us.
i dare say there is still a few crated new engines in sweden
the centurion tank was was still in service in the late 70s
i had a running mk 2b one with the roller rockers
starter always sounded like a bag of ball bearings
Awesome barn find!
😂😂😂👍
Pretty sure he only 'found' it in the barn because he'd put it in there the day before...
AS Jeff Goldbloom said in Jurassic Park, "Just because you could doesn't mean you should."
Nice!! Doesn't sound excessively loud either
Well done what a great job
As previously said, the Meteor was a tank engine. They were either "flawed" engines that could not go into aircraft or engines recovered and rebuilt from damaged aircraft. As a tank engine they were naturally aspirated, regardless of if they were built as a Meteor or rebuilt from a Merlin which had superchargers. As per usual in the war effort, they were assembled in the Rover car factory!
Hey @jbbumpkim Many Rolls Royce Merlin engines were built in Detroit Michigan USA at the Packard Car Factory .. They said Packard built higher quality than the British engines were..
In the USA many pulling Tractors use the Allison engine some of the later Allison's had two speed Superchargers and think Rolls Royce had that feature too. Both used Centrifugal vane superchargers not roots blowers like BM made for truck engines.. and heavy Equiptment engines..
@@mikeskidmore6754 There was no difference between Packard or RR built Merlins, this is a fallacy. Read the book ''The Merlin In Perspective'' from the RR Heritage Library. Packards built their engines to RR sopecifications and were identical in performance and standard of build. People are just perpetrating bullshit.
@jbbumpkin Not quite. The blocks are different, the Meteor also used a different crank and cams for opposite (CCW) rotation. The pistons were cast not forged and many other parts that did not need to be made to aircraft spec and standards were used. Different animal built at a different factory to a different spec.
@@mikeskidmore6754 They would wouldn't they. After all America has to be first.
@@TheLRider I watched a whole video that claims the Packard built engines were built to better specs and higher tolerances . better more modern machinery.
Very nice piece if engineering. Beautiful sound too.
The R&R Meteor (and Merlin also I suppose) is a beautiful engine!
Impressive build. Would love to see it on a sled. The throttle cable routing does concern me a bit though. Something grabs that puppy and its going to lock wide open.
Hope you have a way to chop the fuel. Killing the spark might not stop it.
Nice job guys !!!!!! awesome, who cares where certain parts , you have made such a beautiful running powerful monster !!!!!
I went out to plow the field and I was back before I had started.
Brings back memories... my daddy use to beat me with a belt like that....
A RR Meteor with superchargers is a Merlin!!
Not really. This was originally a Meteor, with superchargers added by the owner. The Merlin was manufactured with superchargers by R&R. I admit, this is probably a case of hairsplitting.
I'm real surprised that a single carb on each blower can supply nowhere near enough fuel to keep that thing from starving but I guess it must work. You got a badass pulling tractor !!
A lot of people have had their concerns. Personally, I am not experience enough with engines/carbs this size to tell if it would work or not. All I can say is that the builder, my friend Olle, got it more or less right at first try. And these carbs are really large!
And I agree, the tractor is badass. A very nice build.
I think youre overestimating the displacement and power of this engine compared to 2 800 ci v8. 2 1050 dominators should be damn near enough for 1650 ci at 4500 rpm, and they make up to 1475 cfm if you want more rpm.
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Correct. Holley actually recommended these carbs for this particular setup.
I think blower belts should shake btw. Just FYI. I’ve never had but 1 supercharged engine.
Of course it's lean. 5.7L engine needs minimum 750 cfm of air. This thing would need approximately 3500 cfm to operate. So double everything (carb, blowers, and fuel) and it would really run. At minimum a huge 1 inch fuel line and much bigger pump to support this hungry beast. I would suggest a pair of 12v71 blowers with dual predator carbs on each, fed by four Holley red pumps. That big Allison is hungry! Feed the beast!!
A lot of people have been trying to point this out before. Still, it does not run lean. The carbs were recommended by Holley for this specific setup and I seriously doubt they are so incompetent they would recommend too small carbs.
You are missing one important point here. This is not running at the same revs as a 5.7L V8, and since the RPM stands in direct proportion to the air flow need (cfm), your assumption is incorrect. With the same cui to cfm ratio but running at half the RPM, the Meteor needs 1762 cfm based on the 750 cfm for a 5.7 L V8 you stated.
Two Holley Ultra Dominator can provide 2500 cfm of flow, which is enough for this engine running at this rpm.
@@LinusNil you're right! I hadn't considered the rpm being probably what, 2500? Those engines are often called Allisons here in the states. I have always liked them in pulling tractors and yours is no exception. I guess it just looks a tad small with just the two carbs.
@@turbo1438 Indeed, these engines are incredible!
They are huge in comparison to the power output though, but this is common among engines which are supposed to handle high load for long duration of time. Also modern engines used in similar applications (marine, heavy machinery etc) have relatively low power output to cylinder volume ratio.
It is relatively light though, being completely aluminum (both heads and block).
Very nice and a Thumbs Up Liked.
Beautiful work.👍🚜
Predator carburetors are good also. Unless I have old information lol which I likely do.
My only concern,is the jack-shaft and pillow bearing setup,that is running the front-ward Charger....those bearings are not great for high rpm applications and those pillow blocks are cast and like to shatter from heat...good concept,but She needs some CNC'd billet pillows and some dual roller bearings(or high speed,sealed w/nylon retainers) and it'll be bulletproof....she sounds awesome!
You are probably right that billet made blocks would be stronger. These have however proven to work fine for several years, and several runs since this startup. I'd say that heat is nothing to be worried about, but if the builder (my friend Olle) asked for my advise, I would probably offer to machine some stronger bearing blocks for him.
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Fantastic (Brasil).
Speed is 300 aph (acres per hour).
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That's a big engine crazy stuff wonder how much fuel it drinks in one pull
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Sounds like a Tiger roar
As a complete outsider to this awesome sport what sort of gearbox would you use to transfer that sort of power.
Good luck for the future and I think When that R J Mitchel designed it he never imagined the engine would still be being used in such a sport 80 years later.
Good question about the gearbox. What's interesting is that the gearbox is an untouched original gearbox from the Volvo T470 Bison. The quality is quite impressive. The engine power has been increased from 73 hp to more than 1000 hp, and both gearbox and rear axle are working flawlessly for run after run.
The clutch has been replaced however. The current one is some kind of centrifugal clutch with manual override, manufacture by someone in Finland. I did not build this machine (a friend of mine did), so I'm not familiar with all the details.
Ya think those front tires are big enough?
AN fittings and screw clamps on the fuel system lol. Otherwise really badass yo !!!
just great!
Well, that's a beauty!😎
Absolutely gorgeous!!!
She,s justa purrrring
Läckert bygge!
I would have special made metal fuel lines. that's more safer metal fuel lines all the way from the tank to the carburetors. I would also make some chrome custom belt covers for safety reasons to. That is a beautiful machine. Love them rolls Royce v12's such a unique beautiful craftsmanship there.
This was not a final setup. There are several safety measures on it now that it is used on the track. This is indeed an incredibly engine!
....with those 2 little Holley carbs. You've got to be kidding me!
Nope. It runs great. There are more videos showing it in action.
Nice looking tractor and a good idea of the roots blowers on the Rolls.... first one I've seen "built" with roots blowers like that. However, I think you're headed for some catastrophic problems "down the road".... if not on your first pull on the hook and under load. 1) I Never would even consider utilizing a "jackshaft" for that application, 2) you definitely should have an "idler" pulley on your main drive belt from the crank, 3) I would never have those fuel lines situated the way that you do... especially in relation to the drive belt, and 4) you should really consider some kind of "guard shields" for all your belt drives... so that when they let go, you can keep the damage to a minimum.... at least, externally. The sanctioning body for your pulls must have pretty relaxed rules to even allow that setup.
The idea is Great, but unfortunately... the execution of it... not so much. Why didn't you go with a coupled direct drive setup between your blowers which would eliminate the jackshaft and two belts?? I realize that you would have to have a new end plate cover custom made for the rear of the driven blower between the two blowers, as well as a shaft extension from the crank driven rotor to the coupler, but it probably wouldn't cost you much more than what you probably already have in your current setup with two unnecessary belts, idler pulleys & brackets, jackshaft & bearings and fabrication of the jackshaft pedestal..... and it would be a lot more sanitary setup, while reducing potential parts breakage by at least 50 percent.
I would use an industrial flexible coupler... not a slip or chain & sprocket setup, due to the fact that you would have to have 100 percent Perfect alignment between the two blowers to use a Non-flexible coupler.... but a flexible coupler would allow for any possible, however slight... variance between the two blowers.
Someone below here, in the comments, asked why you didn't use a coupler from a 16V71 (or, at least that's what they were referring to without naming it).... you cannot do that, that easily. In order to use the factory blower drive setup from a V16, you would have to acquire the actual blowers from a 16V71, because the "rear" blower (the one that is gear driven from the engine) has a special rotor and shaft setup in it, which extends through the forward endplate and coupling with the forward blower. Unless you can replicate that setup, the factory coupling will Not work on your 8V71 blowers.
How many rpms and how much torque are the jackshaft bearings rated for? What is your ratio between the crankshaft speed and blowers?.... it appears that the gilmer drive pulleys on the jackshaft are slightly smaller than the driven pulley on the shaft from the crank pulley.... are they over-driven by 10 to 20 percent??
How are you oiling the drive end gears of the blowers?... or are they just "statically" lubed within the end-case, and not pressure lubed from the engine??
I assume that you had the rotor lobes "prepped" and sealed for use with the carbs (and the gasoline) on your draw-through system?
Maybe it was the camera angles, but I did NOT see any "burst panels" built into the plenum boxes under the blowers..... if you don't have any - you Will regret not having them at some point... you "should" have Four (4)... one at each end of your plenum boxes.... but you can get away with One in each plenum... sometimes.
I wish you well... and good luck with it. If it were me though, I would be doing some serious re-configuring of the setup, Before I would ever put it under load. It would be really sad to see all the hard work and money you put into it.... go "ka - boom" (as if that doesn't happen in any form of motor sports, already ; ). Longevity of the engine... is All in the most minute of details.... and you have some details, that need some "re-evaluating".
This is not a finished build. What you see in this vid is a brief test run. This means that not all shields were in place, the fuel lines not properly routed etc.
Also, I did not build this machine so I can't answer all your questions. All I can say is that it has worked well this far.
There are burst panels, and they work. Bearings are not rated for torque, but for radial/axial load and RPM. I have checked the numbers and they are indeed running a bit on the limits but it does not seem critical to me. Especially since each run is short so temperature should not be a big issue.
Regarding super chargers; I don't know much about these to be honest. The chargers are however rebuilt for this particular purpose. I believe this was done in the US but I don't know much more.
Regarding the belt drive, all parts for that one (belts, wheels etc) were selected by the manufacturer/agent of the drive components.
@@LinusNil
dont listen to them yanks
no wonder we call them septic tanks ! so full of shit
i think that blower set up is better as youre not driving one through the other and belts are very reliable it running in line
keep up the work
what bhp did it produce
and is it still running
@@eweunkettles8207 It is still running excellently. I don't have an idea of the power output though.
Awesome,but make those filter and fuel lines damn secure so they can't get in that blower belt!
This was an initial test run, not a final setup.
That's the exact motor I'm looking for to install on my weed wacker
It will fit in your Honda.
I have ordered one for my snowblower! :)
By golly we are ready to ploy the back forty!
That is a thing of beauty
Bow come we didn't get go see it in operation?
ruclips.net/video/Xj05pkRT-oQ/видео.html
Dare I say it needs more carbs and fuel pumps. I guess it will only turn 3-3500 rpm but at 27 litres probably requires two carbs per blower. Say to 750s and probably HP vacc secondaries
This setup was recommended by Holley and the machine runs very well.
Sounds great, but gotta say if those belts come of those fuel lines are gonna be ripped off, then🔥🔥🔥. Maybe a shield in between there be a good idea.
This was not a final setup
Beast .....
These things are of their head crazy lol✌☯
I wouldn't be comfortable with the fuel filters so close to the open belts but still very nice
This was just a test, not a final setup.
@@LinusNil she's beutiful glad to hear you are still tidying up good luck with the competition
All cred goes to my good friend Olle who built this. I agree, it's a beautiful machine!
I wish to see dyno results if possible.
I'm afraid there are no dyno results from this. No one really knows the power output. The original R&R Meteor engine was about 550-650 hp. This has upgraded carbs and two super chargers. I'd guess it's at least 1000 hp. The factory super charged version of the same engine, the Merlin, was 880 to 1160 hp according to Wikipedia.
Pretty damn cool 👍🏼
How does the cardan shaft withstand so much pressure? I always wonder that
You're not alone being perplexed about how these old tractors hold together. The base is a BM-Volvo T 470 Bison. These tractors had a 73 hp engine. The power output of this thing is probably around 1000-1200 hp (maybe more, no one knows). The engine is directly coupled to the original gearbox and rear axle! Just think about it; power has been increased by 15-20 times and the old gearbox and rear axle have no problems dealing with it.
Another guy I know has a 38 L Transmash V12 diesel in the same tractor. No problem. Yet another friend did put the same transmash engine in a Fordson Super Major. That rear axle was split in two.
Those are actual Detroit blowers given away by the angled hold down bolts... why didn't you couple them end to end directly as they would be in a factory twin blower Application and ditch the jack shaft? The load on those belts WILL rip that aluminum sheet metal bracket off... maybe not right away but eventually...
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He stated that the superchargers were from 8v71 detroit diesel in the beginning of the video
What he said.
Was thinking the exact same thing. That thing is gonna rip right off.
The Meteor engine was built by Rover, under licence, and not by Rolls Royce !
Thanks!
The meteor was used in the British tanks up to around ww2 till in the 1960s the Griffin was 37 litres compared to 27 rolls royce
@desertmandan123 apart from 27lts and cast in iron against 36.7lts and cast in aluminium, the meteor was primarily used in tanks and land based equipment. N/A it gave about 600hp. The griffon made up to 2420hp in certain wartime versions, and in unlimited old iron racing, is made to give a darn sight more than that. They interestingly rotated in opposite directions, when viewed from the front.
Meteors were rebuilt/ or wreck recovered Merlins and were not reused in aircraft. Super chargers removed and used in tanks.
Awesome machine
Im just wondering if those superchargers are even connected.
They are
Verygood
Runs nicely just doesn't like starting, you sure it's a Rolls Royce?
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Dang!! What a awesome beast
Muito bonito.. trabalho de campeão mesmo!!!
It sounds positively tame. Like you could use it for field work.
Around 1000-1200 hp from 27 liters is quite tame yes. These engines were built to last hour after hour on heavy load, not for drag racing. Another friend has a 38 liter Transmash V12 diesel. About the same case there. The power output in respect to cylinder volume is relatively low.
Beautiful work! But it looks like normal car battery is turning this beast .... surely not?
Two car batteries. It works well as long as they are in good condition. The starter is geared and the compression ratio of this engine is quite low.
Many thanks for that.
Yuppers. Once I git this thang farred up I'm gonna plow me sum dirt an' nen playent corn, don't cha know, 'at is iffen I kin keep th' frunt tars onna grayund. Aw heck. 'At snot gonna wurk, so I midus wayull go a-tractor pullin'. (Shure hope she stays t'gether at th' Pull or it could be a long walk home.)
Forgive me, but I had to have a little fun. However, it would be a world record time if you really did plow a section with that monster.
Me likes da way ya thank...lol
Huh
Just curious, what language are you guys speaking?
Edit: (Never mind I finished the video and answered my own question lol) cool tractor by the way
Yep, it's Swedish. With a slight accent from the north.
Why? I am all for big badass engines but there is a point man lol
meteors are land based engines for tanks ie conquer and chieftain and do not have turbo super charges, some blocks surfaced recently from M.O.D reserves that was reconditiond and held for the 91 gulf war, they where clear for ac conversations.
The Chieftain? I think you mean Centurion.
Mr Tractorboy The merlin or any other RR aero engine NEVER used a TURBOcharger, they were all mechanically driven, learn the difference, US P38 P47 B17 B24 did use a TURBO system that fed the mechanical supercharger for a 2 stage system !!!
This is all way outside my experience, so I'm not about to make any technical comments or critical observations about the set-up. I'm ESPECIALLY not going to make any stupid 'mine's bigger/we've got more/ours is better than yours/we're Number One' comments that this kind of video always seems to attract from little boys who ought to know better.
What I AM going to say is that it's great to see people engaged in doing something that they love. Doing it because they're passionate about it - committed, dedicated, obsessed, even - and doing no harm except maybe to the sensibilities of that uppity Greta Iceberg person. Well, nuts to her.
This is excellent. Good luck! :-)
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🖒...what i was thinking as well
A vikings tractor!totally sick man 👍
Olle is one quality fabricator. Could use a belt tightener on the belt driven off the crankshaft.
YES... NOW I KNOW...
What a fun project! How much horse power and torque? Please post more vids when you can. GlennFHoward
To be clear: The tractor is not built by me, but a friend of mine. All credits go to Olle Andersson. Here is another video of the tractor in action: ruclips.net/video/Xj05pkRT-oQ/видео.html
Here is another Volvo BM Bison by another friend of mine. This one has a Russian Transmash 12 cyl 38 litre diesel engine.
ruclips.net/video/-Opa-M4TdHA/видео.html
Este motor muito legal
Nice tractor, but the jackshaft connecting the blowers is only secured to a custom mount on the valve cover??? And the bearings aren't built to turn the kind of R's that shaft will be spinning at WOT. I wouldn't want to be near it when it gets under load but I would like to see it. Damn good looking machine though.
I'm not to worried about either bearings or the shaft mounting. High RPM:s are only for really short periods of time, and at those moments the RPM of the shaft will be about the limiting RPM of the bearing units.
Regarding the mounts; the valve covers are extremely sturdy. Just see how many bolts there are keeping them in place. And and the shape of them and thickness of the material makes me believe durability is not an issue there.
I say thanks on behalf of the builder (Olle)!
Are the valve covers aluminum? I was thinking more about the aluminum breaking instead of the bolts, but sort of figured that anyone who could piece together a machine like that would have probably thought that through well enough to feel comfortable with the load. Looks risky from here but all the viewer has is a video too go by. I hope it works out well. I really enjoy the creativity and fabrication that goes into building one of these. Those blowers sound great. Best of luck with it!
Nothing is perfect, and we all make bad judgements now and then. We (me, my friends incl Olle who built this tractor) are all "amateurs" in a way. We are pretty good at what we do, but we make mistakes. Minimizing risks is always a priority, but I'd be lying if I said we never had an accident :)
Very true about not being perfect. There are no books on how to do this. Mistakes and accidents are part of learning.
Life is a hard teacher - we get the lesson AFTER the test. Looks like a lot was learned on this build.
I think that the biggest lesson learned when it comes to the superchargers was the importance of really big pressure release valves on the manifold. I can only say that the first ones were not big enough...
What's its use for.
Tractor pulling
RUNS VERY SWEET
Ok Bob hook up the Bailer
Interesting. Now if it had two engines....
Engine start @2.12
Are those big block V8 carbs?
Yes, two Holley Ultra Dominator 1250 if I'm not remembering it wrong.