I find the main benefit of my 5800x3d is even with GPU bound settings, it raised the 1% minimums up like 8-10fps, which makes all the difference when you're trying to keep everything above 60hz. Minimizing those janky frame rate drops is totally worth upgrading, IMO.
Interesting. Does this mean many of the FPS drops are actually caused because the CPU needs to wait longer for data from the RAM? This topic would make a great Linus Tech Tips video if they find a software developer that has experience with cache optimization.
@@devluz I assume so. I didn't really expect it make the difference it did, but it does. I just wanted one last upgrade on zen 4. Though this was not as dramatic as when I moved up from DDR3 to DDR4 ram a few years ago, I was also GPU bound on my 980 (playing max 2k @ ~45fp for games back then), and that processor/ram upgrade made a huge difference to the minimum frame rate drops too which made sure they never dipped below the stuttery sub-30s in the heaviest of scenes and I definitely put that down to the RAM too.
@@Eoin-B that's a really interesting point. I'll be keeping an eye on it as I'm using 7700x at the moment. If 3dvcache is that much better for consistent frametime then it might be worth it
@@Eoin-B 100% agree. I just "upgraded" from a 5800X3dD to 7950X. Going to get the 7800X3D when it comes out. The X3D made my games much smoother for sure, even if the avgs didnt go up much due to gpu limits FYI, the new 7000 series X3d, 7900x and 7950x with 2 ccds, only 1 ccd has 3d vcache
Sounds legit. The reason by the way couldn't even be that your game is catching up faster with new data, but also that when you have more cache, all the small side programs Windows is running next to your game (a typical Windows 10 installation even when it's completely bloatware free still has over 50 services and 60 program threads running, from all the rundll and svchost up till your desktop window manager) - programs that also need a constant data flow all the time. When there is more cache, more of your cores can ask for data simutaniously = the side tasks don't slow down your system so much anymore (ideally your game should run on different cores than the system functions). As the benefit of cache to RAM is, that the CPUs can address all the Cache at once and don't need for the system bus to answer with the data stream, for a processor it doesn't matter where in the 3Dcache the needed data is stored, as long as it's there.
When Ryzen 5000 came out I went from a 2600x and went a bit overboard with a 5900x. My system is only for gaming so I sold that and got a 5800x3D recently. Definitely noticed an improvement in the games that I play. It's a great CPU.
Did the same lol. Found a 5900X for 250 euros in July, then the X3D was priced off a couple months ago, so I sold that 5900X for 350 euros and got the X3D for essentially 'free'. Better thermals, better gaming performance, and PBO2 tuner works like a charm.
the reason why they start doing 3d cache is really interesting. Its because the development of it cant keep up the the processing unit itself. We need more cache to substitute for faster cache. Thats the biggest problem in chip design right now
Well but that's not so uncommon. The reason why for example the amount of RAM and now even VRAM you need to run programs, especially games, went up from some MB to GB was also, that HDD was much to slow for the games, so they needed to load all the textures into RAM and the more RAM the better, because when Windows on an HDD started to swapfile, it hurts performance drastically. This obstacles only went away when fast SSDs on SATA became cheap and big enough while still not dying on the spot to be the system drive with a fast swapfile
I upgraded from a 3600 to 5800x3D recently (to pair with my new 3070) and the difference in performance is extremely noticeable in strategy games. (HOI4, Stellaris, Anno, etc.) Smoother gameplay with less lag and hick ups. In general, in games, the most noticeable improvement are the 1% lows getting a nice bump. (10 to 20fps depending on which game, in a few cases even more)
Literally same as you. I had 3600 with gtx 1050, then I upgraded my gpu to 3070, and to match it I bought a 5800X3D recently for ~350 euros. Very good for the price.
@@darthcalanil5333 5800x3d is the best cpu for paradox games atm. Though if your looking to upgrade keep up with news regarding the new 7000 series x3d models performance as tech reviewers post benchmarks in the next few weeks.
Hey, currently on 3600 with 3070, one thing I noticed is performance issues with Cyberpunk, outside of the city the performance is great, above 70fps with dlss on quality, but as I drive into the city I see my frames go down below 60, my CPU is at 80% usage and GPU usage drops from 100% to around 70% Would a faster CPU help in this case?
Playing with 2700X from 2018. Bought with bad timing, so the value wasn't there. And it's indeed Stellaris being able to smash my system with super late scenarios, giving me a reason to upgrade to something like this.
I got 5800X3D over the holidays. Day after I bought it, the stock at Amazon was sold out due to the amazing deal. I've recently upgraded my Graphics card from 1080Ti to AMD 6800XT. I noticed there wasn't significant uplift with the upgrade but I later figured out my old AMD 3600X was severely bottlenecking my new Graphics Card. So, that is why I got 5800XD. The difference is huge. I never would have imagined how much it was bottlenecked until I replaced my CPU. I've also enabled SMART Access Memory and threw in another pair of RAM totalling 32GB of RAM. What's crazy about my build is, my motherboard is an old B450. So I could have upgraded this as well to maximize my build potential but I at that point, I would have bought a brand new computer. And since I didn't want to reformat my data, I kept my old motherboard.
5800x3d + 6800xt is a great combo and will last you for years. I am still waiting for better deals so I can upgrade from my 5700xt ryzen 3600 combo. Gpu prices like 6900xt appear to be increasing, I think I missed the bottom price.
Surprising how much of a difference the extra cache makes, with a 5950X and 4090 the 4090 in some games even at maxed out 4K was holding my GPU back. In games like The Division 2 in the White House base I was dropping to 90% or so GPU usage and struggling to hit my VSYNC cap of 120fps, game would be at 100/105fps or so. I inserted the 5800X3D, same BIOS, same everything and now this CPU is pushing my GPU to 99% usage in the same areas and sticking to a locked 120fps everywhere with a few extra frames to spare. In Far Cry 6 I also gained a good 15fps on my averages as well and that was maxed out at 4K. I may have lost half my cores and 500Mhz in single core clock speed but gaming performance is up quite nicely.
It won’t matter how good it benches when the 7800x3D looks like it’s going to be $550+. Gonna be just another zen 4 ripoff to convince people to buy the existing zen 4 stock that can’t move instead.
I noticed after switching from a 5600x to the 5800x3D that in Battlefield 5 which is notorious for stutters when first joining a match to compile shaders that I noticed a massive reduction in overall stuttering. With the 5600x I would get a lot of stutters pretty much the entire match and than it would kind of go away when playing that same map but was still there. When I got the 5800x3D the stutters are almost completely gone and are maybe there for the first 30 seconds of the game. It’s really nice and I play at 4K.
Years ago when people were first talking aobut issues shrinking transistors further, I had a heated discussion with my comp science proff regarding my idea for a cube shaped processor vs his idea of massive flat CPUs. When TR CPUs came out he reminded me of the conversation (still talk to him) and claimed victory, and whilst it's not a cube shaped CPU 3D V-cache is definitely a step towards more vertical solutions.
I see you winning this bet in the long run by a landslide. 3D space has more potential exponential growth than a 2D layer, thus the step towards 3dimensional cubic-layouts is inevitable.
There's no reason that we couldn't have heat pipes, fan stacks, or even water channels and quick disconnects between the layers either. I could certainly see that coming.
A higher CPU giving you a boost over an inferior CPU is a given. Your old CPU was probably bottlenecking the hell out of whatever GPU you're using. A good channel called PC builder does a better job explaining that scenario. But basically a cheaper CPU will stop an even awesome GPU from being utilized to it's fullest capabilities. So you most likely got a huge boost from loosing that bottleneck AND the X3D lol because a 40 fps increase is phenomenal
@@tiavor damn, i had both of those cpus over the last years, they served me well, but my new 5800x3D makes my games so much smoother, even if the fps wasnt bad with the old ones, the frametime is mich smoother with this one
The cache is really great for competitive gaming. Higher minimum FPS for way better consistency. The higher skill you reach, the more you’ll notice those inconsistent frame times and how much they vary.
@@wecrashgames yea i think the x3d & cpus in general won't make a meaningful difference as much at higher resolutions. 5800x3d is quite impressive for now, maybe another 1 or so. But as games use more than 8 cores it will fall behind
@@mikeramos91 You're right, In 1080P and games that are CPU depend it can make a good difference But going for more cores would be a better idea, Specially with the new gen CPUs both from amd and intel I got a good deal on this cpu and since motherboards for this gen is fairly cheap and don't need ddr5 memories i chose this. But right now if i could i would go for 7900x or 13700k
Upgraded from 3700x to the 5800x3D, must say, massive difference. Gets hot on start up for some games, but within seconds the temps drop significantly, cooler than the 3700x was.
It is cheaper for last 2-3 months, and a used AM4 MB will hit market soon. Great option for limited budget preventing switch to AM5/DDR5. You can spend cash on GPU and get great value high FPS system with free CPU resources even on 4090
@@pofjiosgjsoges its actually cheaper right now through places like micro center to get a mobo, ram, cpu combo for about the same price as a 5800x3d, paid 317 for a 7700x, 32gb ddr 5 6000 and a b650 motherboard.
This was a great upgrade for me over the 3700x which I had before. I snagged one when they went on sale when the 7 series came out. And the best part is I didn’t have to change motherboard or ram!
@@happychickendance2148 I just upgraded my rig from 3700x to 5800x3d let’s just say in a game like cyberpunk I went from being like barely hitting 60 to hitting 144 all the time I didn’t even change any settings
I just got my 5800X3D in around the time you posted this video. I was struggling to explain the 3D cache to a friend. This has been watched and sent to him. Now I gotta wait till tomorrow for my new cooler then I can get to upgrading.
I went from a 5800X to a 5800X3D and it was still a massive upgrade. I mostly play about on Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and the 5800X3D made it run like melted butter.
@@dawienel1142 Yeah, will do! I'll also have a more in-depth video comparing the improvements on my channel later this week but ill post a response here as well. :D
@@dawienel1142 hey got my 5800X3D installed and ran SC and it is night and day compared to my old cpu a ryzen 7 2700. I have an Rtx 2070 and 3200 32 GB ram and I’m pulling 45-70fps in cities avg between 55-60fps. In Space getting 90-150fps. And the big tester - Crusader and Orison. Cru I had between 50-65fps, Orison 55-70fps everywhere except the main hub which dropped to 30-55fps
For VR this CPU is great because in most games, particularly VRChat and Flight Simulator, it reduces the frame times by almost 50%. Typically have a ton less stutters too
All I play is VR and have a system with the 7950X and a 4090. I also do other things like content creation, 3D rendering, video editing, live streaming but VR is what has me coming back. I have over 150+ VR titles but the two games you listed are two that I don’t play. What headset and resolution do you play on VR? The reason I’m curious is I usually play with an absurd resolution of 5080x4366 and from what I’ve seen, 3D cache tends to only help out in the lower resolutions of 1080p and 1440p.
@@farmertrueVR The 3D cache generally only helps in cpu bound games, vrchat is made in unity which is extremely cpu hungry. The 5800x3d excels in these games, in other games it just makes the game smoother and not drop frames as oftens. but its not that good in content creation and can run way too hot when doing certain tasks in that direction.
I love my 5800x3d. It was a pain to get it to stay in what I thought was a good temp range and still gets hot but the performance has NEVER showed any lacking.
Upgraded my ryzen 5 3600 to 5800x3d and absolutely no regrets paired with 3060ti I'm getting far more out of the 3060ti than I did with 3600, and overall gained 40 to 100fps in some games warcraft raiding for example 7 preset would see 40-50 in raids.. now between 100 and 144fps, well worth the upgrade
Really would like to see a comparison between a 5800X3D with standard 3600MHz CL16 RAM and a 5800X boosting to 5Ghz with super tuned RAM like what I have mine at 3800Mhz CL13-15-11-13-23 with super tight sub timings, with latency around 52ns. I'll probably end up getting a 5800X3D so I can satisfy my curiosity. lol
I replaced my 3700x with a 5800x3d and I can definitely tell the difference. I’m going to wait for 7000 series to go down and then eventually upgrade to the 3d version of that. Everything is too expensive right now
that extra cache is a god send for CPU bound games, Star Citizen, the most CPU game known to man, gets to high framerates and stable lows. the difference is night and day on almost all games, not because it allows your GPU to reach higher framerates, but because it massively improves the lows and average framerates. I'm curious on the Zen 4 3D cache CPUs, the normal Zen 4 CPUs didn't get quite the same jump in perfomance vs Zen 3 and the 5800x3D is trading punches with even the i9 13900k and the 7900x/7950x, but stacking that sweet cache on top of the Zen 4 CPUs might grant them a big jump in gaming perfomance, as well as the price haha.
It still is in the Cinema, but Avatar 2 looked great with it, but that movie just like the first from 2009, was specially filled with special made 3D camera's by James Cameron, also why the movies cost so much, because Avatar 2 uses new 3D camera's, they say third movie and up are going to be cheaper. But yeah only for a few movies, i never liked 3D in the cinema's, and home on TV, which is past tense now.
Microcenter (if you're fortunate enough to be near one even if it's an hour or two away) currently has a ton of gpus at MSRP prices or lower. I got one for 60 percent off MSRP and it works flawlessly.
my brother went from a ryzen 7 2700x to a 5800x3d since he figured its the last cpu he would buy for his am4 platform anyways. No further improvements would come to the am4 platform. he said he noticed a huge performance difference. no regrets from him. while the cpu doesn't support OC'ing it does support undervolting which he did to his.
Is more cache helpful when: 1.) Doing offline audio rendering? And 2.) During online, real time audio rendering? Such as playing back the music in my DAW with all the plugins running in real time on the CPU?
Here in Stupidland (Brazil) the 5800X3D is one of the most expensive CPUs, some places have it priced above even the 7900X! The 5700X being almost half the price should be a no-brainer here.
True, with good graphic card that gives high fps those lows are negligible. That 3D is good only if upgraded from 3rd or second gen and average fps is lower for higher res so its important to have less drops bellow some already low fps.
Riley's hand gestures remind me of traffic control in Italy, unless somebody has combined Lightsaber with some aeroplane landing simulation and he's playing that at the same time! A must be rewatched without sound, pure performance art of the likes often not seen, should get an Oscar.
Just got a 5800X3D last week to replace a 3600 non-X because it was holding back my new 6750XT. I have undervolted it to a flat 1 volt and she is running smooth and cold. I could very easily take it a little lower if I wanted to but the fact that I never see over 60ish*C when running Aida64 for an hour I don't need too. I have Satisfactory running right now and the hottest temp is the package @35*C, before undervolting it didn't matter what I did she'd spike to 90*C on hottest spot. It's a great CPU, can't wait to see what the new 7000's V-Cache ships can do. Asus Tuf non-wifi Bios 4408 Fractal S36 AIO
I went from a I7 6700k/TitanXP to 5800x3d/4080. Huge upgrade, the 5800x3d would get so hot and thermal throttle even with a Noctua-D15, also tried the ID-Cooling Frostflow 280mm. Finally, I chose the Deepcool LS720 as every review I saw said it's a top performer and it definitely is. At 70f ambient I went from thermal throttling with the first two to 74.6c max under a 30 min full load of CPU. My build is finally complete and now I can stop obsessing about getting everything just the way I like it and finally enjoy my new PC.
This thing really helped me out, I had a lot of stuttering with other cpu but this thing is buttery smooth paired with my 4070 ti. Really lets things rip to 120 or 144 fps and I love it. The dips I got from slow my ram was annoying as hell but no more!
@@weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee well that's the thing. The cpu, if it spikes, the architecture is creating heat on a 3 dimensional scale. Therefore there could be cores at the center that won't get the full benefit of the cooling. That's why its set fixed normal but it takes time to see if there is faster wear and tear.
@@Hanzomo I think this would work but it seems like they are already doing that so its hard to tell at what point is the goldilocks point. I think it will take time to get accuracy when navigating how they should be handling 3D cache system.
@@victorescobar7437 I mean im talking about the 5800x3d stricly, it runs hotter at base values. but with a undervolt its maxed at 75C in prime95 for me
so if I ever see the 5800X3D go on sale, is the performance boost in games worth swapping out my 5800X? seeing as AMD swapped the socket type on their CPUs it seems like that's really my only upgrade path unless I wanna rebuild my entire PC
It's currently on sale at $150 below MSRP. It's been on sale on a few websites, including amazon and Newegg for $350 for a couple weeks. I actually bought one about 4 hours before this video was uploaded lmao
Look for benchmarks for the games you play. I did this swap and it was beneficial for things like VR and MSFS2020. Even games that otherwise don't see an average FPS boost seem to be smoother overall from higher 1% lows. Bought the X3D for $300 and sold the X for $200, so cost me $100 (plus tax and shipping). Up to you if it's worth it to you.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 The 1% low increase isn't as big unlike the jump from the Ryzen 7 1700 to the Ryzen 9 5900X for Cyberpunk 2077 (scales pretty well with threads).
This is like the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, it's an emergency edition, Evil Su is worried about the 12th gen CPU, and the 7000 series wasn't launched with 3D cache from the get go.
And performance, depending on how agressive the motherboard is with the voltage. I got a 100-200mhz boost in cinebench 20 all core just from undervolting to -30 in curve optimizer, that with 10ºc lower temps. On my motherboard, MSI just kept pumping more and more voltage with every BIOS version, to ridiculous levels, so it was pretty much a must. =_=
Having tested both the 5800x3d and a 5900x. If you exclusively play @ 4k for example, CODMW2, the in game benchmarks with a DDR4 3600 CL16, averaged about 127-129 fps @Ultra settings with DLSS Quality (RTX 4080 FE)....differences are negligible. Unless you exclusively play at 1080p or even 1440p, personally would stick with the 5900x as it does well against the 3d version @ 4K...and it has more cores, plus can be overclocked.
so far from leaks and videos not much of an uplift. Its more of a better overall gaming cpu plus higher clock for application. Thats the main attraction.
Can't wait to upgrade to this from my 3800x! it'll really round out my rig and I won't upgrade for awhile after, because any new cpu would mean a whole new motherboard+ram, and I wouldn't touch the current gpu market with a 6 foot pole (on a 3070 which I have no need to upgrade from). good thing is that it seems the 5800x3d will keep me current for years to come.
Correction, I do plan one upgrade in the near future past my cpu: my monitors to 1440p. I had to skimp out and only get 1080p but especially with the 5800x3d I'll have far more fps than I'll need and can easily turn that into more pixels.
I’ve been having this idea. Why don’t cpus just have bigger cache/ram for example 16gb. Most people would take the performance advantage over the versitility of upgradability. Of course the cpu size will be bigger and motherboards must be changed as well but in the long term, we can’t shrink the transistors beyond a limit but we can reduce latency by something like what i suggested
CPU's RAM are faster them system ram. I'd be super expensive to produce gigabytes of those rams. And besides that, with that much ram, the module itself would be way bigger than it is right now. This would mean that not only the motherboard design would need to be changed but also the cpu package itself, since this large module would change how fast things could move inside the die. Just compare a stick of 16GB and see how many chip packages it has and how large they are. It's impractical for the days we are right now.
It is a matter of die size, and hence cost. Cache architectures use SRAM technology requiring 6 transistor for every bit of data. Classical system RAM uses DRAM technology requiring 1 transistor and 1 capacitor for every bit of data. You would need a relatively giant chip to have 16gb of SRAM, increasing cost directly. To make matters worse, as die area increases so does the likelyhood of a defect in an individual chip which reduces yeild, increasing manufacturing costs further
I understand the cost would be higher but we’re at a point where we’re only seeing marginal improvements generation over generation so why not just release a flagship cpu with all the great stuff? It would start a revolution in the cpu space and bring a ton of hype
My i7-12700K only has 25MB of L3 cache and perfomance is basically the same as a 12900K for gaming. You don't need 3 times more L3 cache if you have a chip with almost 30% higher perfomance per core (P-cores) or at least 20% higher IPC (instructions per clock). I have two NVMe SSDs.
I'm looking forward to this tactic being employed in more cpus going forward. Not a fan of AMD based on past experiences, but I like seeing them demonstrate the effectiveness of stacking cache!
just bought this cpu and Upgrading from a Ryzen 5 2600X to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D this week before it all changes to AM5 and prices go silly - i am looking forward to the improvement
A while back me and the GF were talking about news anchors and I said my favorite News anchor was this guy (Riley) on Tech Quickie and she was incredulous... "Better than Savannah Guthrie blah blah blah..." So I sent her a link and yesterday she says: "You might be right, that Riley guy is good"
@@chronotrigger2000 I currently have an rx 6600 which I intend to stick with until I can no longer play games on medium settings at 120+fps. After that I'll consider an upgrade if I'm still actively gaming at that point.
@@darkbooger If you have a lower-end card like RX6600, why did you spend so much money on a CPU? Would it not be smarter to invest them in a better GPU instead?
@@wj45 I play at 1080p so I am more CPU bound for framerates. A new GPU would be nice, but it won't increase framerates if my CPU is causing bottlenecks which it was on my old CPU in some titles I frequently played. Plus the 5800x3D was on sale at the time for about $329 after briefly being $170 which I missed by a few hours.
I do a lot of video rendering too, and regret going for the 5800x3d. It is pretty great for gaming, but I didn't realize it was going to be worse at everything else
i'm thinking about swapping out my 5950X with a 5800x3d. i don't do much video editing but i do record and stream. with my 7900xtx handling the recoding, haven't seen how it streams yet...laziness on my part. but if i can improve my 4k performance with out doing another build, even if its just a small 1% low improvement. could make it worth it...maybe
Could you all do a video on pcie standards with regards to GPUs if you haven't already? This is one of a few topics I've had a hard time researching on my own. It has become relevant to me lately with AMD putting pcie 5 on their mobos and there being a shift towards other newer standards like dp 2.1, HDMI 2.0, DDR 5, etc.
Historically, it hasn't had a significant impact on performance except for GPUs with low VRAM capacity and fewer than 16 PCIe lanes. The RX 6500 XT (only 4 PCIe lanes and 4GB VRAM) runs much slower on older PCIe versions though, and the RX 6600/6650 XT, RX 5500 XT 4GB, and RTX 3050 (which all have 8 PCIe lanes) also lose a couple of percent of their performance in some situations when limited to PCIe 3.0. But I'd like to see updated tests which show how developing technologies like ReBAR/SAM and DirectStorage/SAS/RTXIO are affected by PCIe version, and whether there are any differences in PCIe bandwidth requirements for new GPU architectures. PCIe 5.0 won't matter for GPUs until GPUs actually support it though. RX 7000-series and RTX 4000-series will run at PCIe 4.0 speed if installed in a PCIe 5.0 slot. It's likely to be useful for high-end PCIe 5.0 SSDs in tasks that require a lot of sequential bandwidth, but PCIe 5.0 SSDs are only just starting to become available.
I don't like Userbenchmark, but chips like the R7 5800X3D really fits the "Advanced Marketing Devices" line perfectly lmao. I'm glad i bought an i7-12700K at the same price and recommended a friend the 5900X for his productivity stuff and Cyberpunk 2077 (a game he likes a lot and played on his older Ryzen 7 1700).
Unless they stack like 500 of it screw vertical oldtech cache. Team blue clearly atleast on par on those slides without any fancy cache, and thats proly BEFORE overclock.
This is the MMO CPU, and soon Zen 4 X3D CPUs😀(I'm going to guess the 7800X3D might perform a bit better cause of only one CCD) I play Guild Wars 2 and the gains in FPS are pretty high. If anyone plays GW2 you know what I'm talking about when you enable ultra shadows and spin the camera you get a bit of stutter all the time. With the 5800X3D it's pretty much gone, maybe a few areas there might be a very slight hiccup, but that's it.
As a gw2 player looking to make a new gaming PC, I was wondering if I should stick with this or something else. My old build is a bit laggy, it's 8 years old, and I get the stutter. I'm probably going to get this processor, but still doing research though. Thanks
@@omgoddess7 I would actually just upgrade if your on AM4? You just need a bios update to support the 5800X3D , just have to check your board manufacturer website. A drop in upgrade would extend the life by a few years, and with GW2 you will notice the gains and how much more stable the FPS will be. There should be some videos on the 5800X3D and GW2👍🙂
@@-INFERNUS- My motherboard is an Intel and using an devil's canyon. I'm just making a complete new build and I think this is the way I'm going to go. My only issue might be using Adobe suite, I see some saying it's not the best for those applications. So I'm still doing a bit more research.
@@omgoddess7 ah ok a whole new build. Hmmm, it's true that Intel is a bit faster than AMD when it comes to Adobe Suite, I was thinking if you go Intel a 13700k would be a great CPU for GW2 and adobe, I don't know your budget but if you need more cores then a 13900k would be great to. If you need to see reviews and benchmarks GamersNexus is great and also Paul's Hardware, Hardware Unboxed as well.
@@-INFERNUS- Im looking for am4 build that will last about 7 years. Mainly for GW2 and light video editing and Photoshop. If you have any suggestions please lmk. My budget is about 1500. I don't want any budget parts, I want this to last.
Here I was ready to go down to microcenter and build a myself a new system in the next couple of weeks. I was going to build a Ryzen anyway so now I'm gonna have to wait and see what these new chips can do.
If anyone plays Escape From Tarkov, this CPU can give you HUGE performance gains without having to touch your GPU. Upgrading from a Ryzen 2600 and 1080ti to the 5800x3d took the FPS from 60-70 avg to 130-180 on the same GPU. Rust and Star Citizen see similar results.
I was using a 3700X with a 3080FE and when i upgraded to the 5800X3D I noted much smoother gameplay and more consistent frame times. Sekiro being an outlier
Just 3 days ago I upgraded to the 5800x3d from a 2700x, because I felt it was bottlnecking my 2080Ti, especially in VR. It's just a world of difference. If you already have an AM4 motherboard and don't want/need to upgrade to a new platform, I can highly recommend that CPU as a last hurrah for the AM4 platform!
lol. I was literally JUST looking at the Ryzen 5700X when this popped up in my subscriptions. I think Im still gonna go with the 5700 (Just within my budget as it is on sale now on Amazon for like 170-190$ as opposed to the 5800X3D being 340$ on the low end.) That's assuming the sales are still going on when I go to buy them.
I got it for $330 with the Uncharted bundle. The difference between this and my old 3700X is night and day. If you plan on holding on the to AM4 platform for a few years, the 5800X3D is the best option.
i went from an r7 1700 to an r7 5700x, even that jump is pretty big. gonna upgrade the mb from x470 to x570 and grab some faster ram at the same time later this year, then use the old parts to upgrade another computer. next year i should be able to go up from a 1660ti without bottle necking.
Did the exact same with my build, got it for $330 also and that's just a crazy deal for such a good CPU. Great way to hang on to your AM4 build for years to come...
I got mine for 320$ from an AMD employee (it was basically a tray type), he gave me codes for Uncharted, Callisto Protocol and the upcoming Dead Island 2. sweet deal if I say so myself
Undervolting makes a huge difference. There are some differences between motherboard manufacturers and bios versions as well. I suspect that my Gigabyte X570 gives a bit to much power, I can run all cores at -30 mV stable. I don't loose any performance, and temps drop 10 degrees
I have a 5800x3d in one pc, and a 5600x in the other. Both have a humble 5700xt gpu. They both have identical performance. I guess for me to really see any benefit I would have to upgrade my gpu.
For those who didn’t get it RileyMurdock vs RileyMurdock3D 32 in pocket vs 96 in pocket Means RileyMurdock3D doesn’t need to always use a creditcard, since he has it cache.
Alright bois I need some halp. I have a i7-8700 6900XT 16GB DDR4 1k Power supply 49” G9 Odyssey (I game at 4K and only game, no work related programs) Question is: should I get the 5800x3d now or wait for the new x3d with the upcoming DDR5 Ram? I don’t want to behind but is the 5800x3d future proof or wait and invest in the new upcoming x3d model?
If you are changing to team red I would splurge some on the motherboard for a premium AM5. From a company known for upgrading bioses for a long time. You'll be able to do a massive in place upgrade in 3 years to a 13950X3D. 5800X3D is awesome as a last hurrah for AM4, I got one as an upgrade from a 3600. I wouldn't build a new system with it though.
I recently went from 3900x to 5800x3d and as the most demanding game I play regularly is Tarkov, which is CPU bound, I've seen great performance improvement, even tho I'm still GPU bottlenecked a bit with my 5700xt. I'd really like the 7900x3d, but that upgrade is certainly going to be way too expensive for me.
Did you make some measurements before and after the upgrade? How did you notice the performance improvement? Would it not be better to upgrade the GPU for the money instead?
I just bought one to play Tarkov, and my guy... this cpu is a focking beast. I had a R5 2600 and the fun part is: I'm with 16 gb ram running on 2400 right now. My pc feels like a monster already and this cpu is not even on 100% of it's potential, feels like some shonen villain hidden superpower bs.
Posting this comment for anyone who might find it helpful , since I found not much info about this topic in particular. The general agreement seems to be that 4k is gpu bound , and that’s about it , next. That’s not the whole story , I have a 4090 , and used to have a 5800x And I noticed that in games with ray tracing , I was rarely getting 99% gpu , usage , instead , it was somewhere around 85% GPU usage. Consequently , I usually saw my fps be from 10 to even 18 fps less than what I saw 4090 users get on RUclips. I decided to get a 5800X3D. A bold move , upgrading from a 5800x to a 5800x3D. Sounds like a waste of money… But it gave me a boost , almost comparable to a gpu upgrade. My gpu usage is almost always 100% at 4k , ad it should be . And not only are my fps quite a bit higher. But my 1% lows took a very veeeery nice jump , even on games , where I thought I wasn’t getting any cpu bottleneck. If you are focused on gaming , and you are on an am4 platform, not looking to change your mb , ram to get am5. Then the 5800X3D is an amazing good bye to am4 What an amazing gaming cpu. Specially come nsidering that RT is getting pretty commonly implemented now. And this processor does wonders to improve cpu performance in games with rt
Still rocking the Ryzen 7 1700 and a b450f mobo. Pair them with a 4080, and I’m getting 100 plus fps with DLSS 3 in 4k. Probably will never upgrade a cpu until I absolutely have to..
I find the main benefit of my 5800x3d is even with GPU bound settings, it raised the 1% minimums up like 8-10fps, which makes all the difference when you're trying to keep everything above 60hz.
Minimizing those janky frame rate drops is totally worth upgrading, IMO.
Interesting. Does this mean many of the FPS drops are actually caused because the CPU needs to wait longer for data from the RAM? This topic would make a great Linus Tech Tips video if they find a software developer that has experience with cache optimization.
@@devluz I assume so. I didn't really expect it make the difference it did, but it does. I just wanted one last upgrade on zen 4.
Though this was not as dramatic as when I moved up from DDR3 to DDR4 ram a few years ago, I was also GPU bound on my 980 (playing max 2k @ ~45fp for games back then), and that processor/ram upgrade made a huge difference to the minimum frame rate drops too which made sure they never dipped below the stuttery sub-30s in the heaviest of scenes and I definitely put that down to the RAM too.
@@Eoin-B that's a really interesting point. I'll be keeping an eye on it as I'm using 7700x at the moment. If 3dvcache is that much better for consistent frametime then it might be worth it
@@Eoin-B 100% agree. I just "upgraded" from a 5800X3dD to 7950X. Going to get the 7800X3D when it comes out. The X3D made my games much smoother for sure, even if the avgs didnt go up much due to gpu limits
FYI, the new 7000 series X3d, 7900x and 7950x with 2 ccds, only 1 ccd has 3d vcache
Sounds legit. The reason by the way couldn't even be that your game is catching up faster with new data, but also that when you have more cache, all the small side programs Windows is running next to your game (a typical Windows 10 installation even when it's completely bloatware free still has over 50 services and 60 program threads running, from all the rundll and svchost up till your desktop window manager) - programs that also need a constant data flow all the time. When there is more cache, more of your cores can ask for data simutaniously = the side tasks don't slow down your system so much anymore (ideally your game should run on different cores than the system functions). As the benefit of cache to RAM is, that the CPUs can address all the Cache at once and don't need for the system bus to answer with the data stream, for a processor it doesn't matter where in the 3Dcache the needed data is stored, as long as it's there.
When Ryzen 5000 came out I went from a 2600x and went a bit overboard with a 5900x. My system is only for gaming so I sold that and got a 5800x3D recently. Definitely noticed an improvement in the games that I play. It's a great CPU.
Even at 4k I have noticed 3+ fps and more consistent in cyberpunk 2077 though GPU bound
Did the same lol. Found a 5900X for 250 euros in July, then the X3D was priced off a couple months ago, so I sold that 5900X for 350 euros and got the X3D for essentially 'free'. Better thermals, better gaming performance, and PBO2 tuner works like a charm.
@@sL1NK Thermals I would say 5800x3d runs slightly hotter 68c 75c while gaming. Then again my AIO is on the top as exhaust
that's more of a downgrade
@Exoticspeedefy my 360 aio is exhausting out the top as well n my 3D never goes above 65° gaming. undervolt ya cpu homie ✌️
This video was released at a great time since i bet a lot of people are looking for information about 3D v-Cache after the 7000 3D CPU's were revealed
the reason why they start doing 3d cache is really interesting. Its because the development of it cant keep up the the processing unit itself. We need more cache to substitute for faster cache. Thats the biggest problem in chip design right now
Well but that's not so uncommon. The reason why for example the amount of RAM and now even VRAM you need to run programs, especially games, went up from some MB to GB was also, that HDD was much to slow for the games, so they needed to load all the textures into RAM and the more RAM the better, because when Windows on an HDD started to swapfile, it hurts performance drastically. This obstacles only went away when fast SSDs on SATA became cheap and big enough while still not dying on the spot to be the system drive with a fast swapfile
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I upgraded from a 3600 to 5800x3D recently (to pair with my new 3070) and the difference in performance is extremely noticeable in strategy games.
(HOI4, Stellaris, Anno, etc.) Smoother gameplay with less lag and hick ups.
In general, in games, the most noticeable improvement are the 1% lows getting a nice bump. (10 to 20fps depending on which game, in a few cases even more)
Literally same as you. I had 3600 with gtx 1050, then I upgraded my gpu to 3070, and to match it I bought a 5800X3D recently for ~350 euros. Very good for the price.
I'm also most interested in this for hoi4 and stellaris.
Also been using a 3600.
@@darthcalanil5333 5800x3d is the best cpu for paradox games atm. Though if your looking to upgrade keep up with news regarding the new 7000 series x3d models performance as tech reviewers post benchmarks in the next few weeks.
Hey, currently on 3600 with 3070, one thing I noticed is performance issues with Cyberpunk, outside of the city the performance is great, above 70fps with dlss on quality, but as I drive into the city I see my frames go down below 60, my CPU is at 80% usage and GPU usage drops from 100% to around 70%
Would a faster CPU help in this case?
Playing with 2700X from 2018. Bought with bad timing, so the value wasn't there. And it's indeed Stellaris being able to smash my system with super late scenarios, giving me a reason to upgrade to something like this.
I got 5800X3D over the holidays. Day after I bought it, the stock at Amazon was sold out due to the amazing deal. I've recently upgraded my Graphics card from 1080Ti to AMD 6800XT. I noticed there wasn't significant uplift with the upgrade but I later figured out my old AMD 3600X was severely bottlenecking my new Graphics Card. So, that is why I got 5800XD. The difference is huge. I never would have imagined how much it was bottlenecked until I replaced my CPU. I've also enabled SMART Access Memory and threw in another pair of RAM totalling 32GB of RAM. What's crazy about my build is, my motherboard is an old B450. So I could have upgraded this as well to maximize my build potential but I at that point, I would have bought a brand new computer. And since I didn't want to reformat my data, I kept my old motherboard.
I have the exact same build as your old one, do you think the 3600x was bottlenecking the 1080ti too?
you dont have to reformat anything. I recently bought the 5800x3d with a new mobo and just plugged in my ssd's, good to go
5800x3d + 6800xt is a great combo and will last you for years. I am still waiting for better deals so I can upgrade from my 5700xt ryzen 3600 combo. Gpu prices like 6900xt appear to be increasing, I think I missed the bottom price.
some boards will not support the 5800x3d without bios updates. etc though.
Backup data to external hard drive and clean install is always a good thing to do every so often
Surprising how much of a difference the extra cache makes, with a 5950X and 4090 the 4090 in some games even at maxed out 4K was holding my GPU back. In games like The Division 2 in the White House base I was dropping to 90% or so GPU usage and struggling to hit my VSYNC cap of 120fps, game would be at 100/105fps or so. I inserted the 5800X3D, same BIOS, same everything and now this CPU is pushing my GPU to 99% usage in the same areas and sticking to a locked 120fps everywhere with a few extra frames to spare. In Far Cry 6 I also gained a good 15fps on my averages as well and that was maxed out at 4K. I may have lost half my cores and 500Mhz in single core clock speed but gaming performance is up quite nicely.
I guess we'll see how the 7800X3D announced a couple days ago benchmarks.
I'm either going to get a 7800X3D or the now announced i9-13900ks depending on LTT testing results
@@MrGameing101 amd is also releasing the 7950x3d
@@ilovehotdogs125790 yup! it could be a beast both in gaming and multi threaded workloads
It won’t matter how good it benches when the 7800x3D looks like it’s going to be $550+. Gonna be just another zen 4 ripoff to convince people to buy the existing zen 4 stock that can’t move instead.
@@joemarais7683 ????
I noticed after switching from a 5600x to the 5800x3D that in Battlefield 5 which is notorious for stutters when first joining a match to compile shaders that I noticed a massive reduction in overall stuttering. With the 5600x I would get a lot of stutters pretty much the entire match and than it would kind of go away when playing that same map but was still there. When I got the 5800x3D the stutters are almost completely gone and are maybe there for the first 30 seconds of the game. It’s really nice and I play at 4K.
How about fortnite or warzone!
Years ago when people were first talking aobut issues shrinking transistors further, I had a heated discussion with my comp science proff regarding my idea for a cube shaped processor vs his idea of massive flat CPUs. When TR CPUs came out he reminded me of the conversation (still talk to him) and claimed victory, and whilst it's not a cube shaped CPU 3D V-cache is definitely a step towards more vertical solutions.
Your professor definitely lost. We will be having massive arrays of tiny chiplets instead, and those can be 3D stacked like you said.
I believe that horizontal layout is better for thermal
I see you winning this bet in the long run by a landslide. 3D space has more potential exponential growth than a 2D layer, thus the step towards 3dimensional cubic-layouts is inevitable.
There's no reason that we couldn't have heat pipes, fan stacks, or even water channels and quick disconnects between the layers either. I could certainly see that coming.
@@dkman123 The reason that stops the fun is called physics.
As a new X3D owner I appreciate the huge boost in framerate in heavily CPU-bound games like Star Citizen.
I have the 58003dx. It boosted my fps by 40fps over my 3900.
I got a good boost over the normal 5800x lmao.
even though it only boosts to 4550mhz compared to the 5050mhz boost of the original
A higher CPU giving you a boost over an inferior CPU is a given. Your old CPU was probably bottlenecking the hell out of whatever GPU you're using.
A good channel called PC builder does a better job explaining that scenario.
But basically a cheaper CPU will stop an even awesome GPU from being utilized to it's fullest capabilities.
So you most likely got a huge boost from loosing that bottleneck AND the X3D lol because a 40 fps increase is phenomenal
Damn. I've been riding my 3900x for too long
@@mattcy6591 the 3900x is still better than my i7 6700k
@@tiavor damn, i had both of those cpus over the last years, they served me well, but my new 5800x3D makes my games so much smoother, even if the fps wasnt bad with the old ones, the frametime is mich smoother with this one
The cache is really great for competitive gaming. Higher minimum FPS for way better consistency.
The higher skill you reach, the more you’ll notice those inconsistent frame times and how much they vary.
@@certaindeath7776 so your brother has the “I can’t have it so it must not be real” attitude. p
no bro many pro players in comp games use shit like 10400f and theyre still pros. Hardware isnt everything
@@mncrft3386 I get what you mean. Better hardware raises your skill cap, but barely increases your skill if you are not already capped.
I've been using it for a month now, It boosted my fps 60+ on RTX 3080
at what resolution?
@@mikeramos91 1080P
@@mikeramos91 My old cpu was 9700k, But if you want to edit videos too, Then i guess 5900x would be a better deal! But in gaming this cpu is amazing
@@wecrashgames yea i think the x3d & cpus in general won't make a meaningful difference as much at higher resolutions. 5800x3d is quite impressive for now, maybe another 1 or so. But as games use more than 8 cores it will fall behind
@@mikeramos91 You're right, In 1080P and games that are CPU depend it can make a good difference
But going for more cores would be a better idea, Specially with the new gen CPUs both from amd and intel
I got a good deal on this cpu and since motherboards for this gen is fairly cheap and don't need ddr5 memories i chose this.
But right now if i could i would go for 7900x or 13700k
Upgraded to a 5800X3D and RTX 3090 in early December from a 3950X and 2080 Ti. Now my 100Hz monitor is my bottleneck.
I'm upgrading with the release of the 7800x3d - my new build will be the 7800x3d and a 3090ti, I'm very excited.
@@AustinTheMoonBear how is that going?
Upgraded from 3700x to the 5800x3D, must say, massive difference. Gets hot on start up for some games, but within seconds the temps drop significantly, cooler than the 3700x was.
awesome, i have the same one. hoping to get one soon!
Seems odd to do a video about the 5800X3D the day after the 7800X3D, 7900X3D and 7950X3D were announced.
I mean, the video was almost definitely produced weeks ahead of time, and the topic of the video is still relevant.
@user-mf1os5md5y no its not lmao. This CPU has been out 9 months, and their performance table is last Gen CPUs from both companies only.
It is cheaper for last 2-3 months, and a used AM4 MB will hit market soon. Great option for limited budget preventing switch to AM5/DDR5. You can spend cash on GPU and get great value high FPS system with free CPU resources even on 4090
@@pofjiosgjsoges its actually cheaper right now through places like micro center to get a mobo, ram, cpu combo for about the same price as a 5800x3d, paid 317 for a 7700x, 32gb ddr 5 6000 and a b650 motherboard.
@@oyeahisbest123 i say doubt, as the 7700X is above 317 at microcenter alone. There is a 340 bundle with memory but no mobo.
This was a great upgrade for me over the 3700x which I had before. I snagged one when they went on sale when the 7 series came out. And the best part is I didn’t have to change motherboard or ram!
i have a 3700x too and was considering upgrading, how much of a fps increase did you see
@@happychickendance2148 I just upgraded my rig from 3700x to 5800x3d let’s just say in a game like cyberpunk I went from being like barely hitting 60 to hitting 144 all the time I didn’t even change any settings
@@ihatelols i have a 10gb 3080 how much do you think i would gain
@@MattRichy what gpu did you have and what settings did you have on
I have a rtx 3070
I just got my 5800X3D in around the time you posted this video. I was struggling to explain the 3D cache to a friend. This has been watched and sent to him. Now I gotta wait till tomorrow for my new cooler then I can get to upgrading.
I went from a 3600 to a 5800X3D and it was a massive upgrade
same here
I went from a 5800X to a 5800X3D and it was still a massive upgrade. I mostly play about on Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and the 5800X3D made it run like melted butter.
@@McShave at what resolution?
i went from an i7 4790k to a 5800x 3d lol
At what resolution?
Just ordered a 5800X3D to help with my Star Citizen overall performance. Super excited for it to arrive!
Let me know how it runs, I'm also thinking of trying it out with my 5800x3D.
@@dawienel1142 Yeah, will do! I'll also have a more in-depth video comparing the improvements on my channel later this week but ill post a response here as well. :D
@@dawienel1142 hey got my 5800X3D installed and ran SC and it is night and day compared to my old cpu a ryzen 7 2700. I have an Rtx 2070 and 3200 32 GB ram and I’m pulling 45-70fps in cities avg between 55-60fps. In Space getting 90-150fps. And the big tester - Crusader and Orison. Cru I had between 50-65fps, Orison 55-70fps everywhere except the main hub which dropped to 30-55fps
Purchased mine a few months ago, nice upgrade from 3800X. 1% lows and frame pacing much better
I got one months ago, upgraded from a 2014 build with a 4790k. Oh man.
For VR this CPU is great because in most games, particularly VRChat and Flight Simulator, it reduces the frame times by almost 50%. Typically have a ton less stutters too
All I play is VR and have a system with the 7950X and a 4090. I also do other things like content creation, 3D rendering, video editing, live streaming but VR is what has me coming back.
I have over 150+ VR titles but the two games you listed are two that I don’t play.
What headset and resolution do you play on VR? The reason I’m curious is I usually play with an absurd resolution of 5080x4366 and from what I’ve seen, 3D cache tends to only help out in the lower resolutions of 1080p and 1440p.
@@farmertrueVR The 3D cache generally only helps in cpu bound games, vrchat is made in unity which is extremely cpu hungry. The 5800x3d excels in these games, in other games it just makes the game smoother and not drop frames as oftens. but its not that good in content creation and can run way too hot when doing certain tasks in that direction.
I have the 5800x3d, ive undervolted it to 1.0v, and it runs beautifully, and only gets to 55c with my corsair 240mm cooler
Does it still boost to 4.45ghz all core?
Got a 5800x3d for Christmas, came from a ryzen 5 3600. Couldn’t be happier
Crazy upgrade, I only went from a 5800x to a 5800x3D (only paid £100) after selling 5800x and got uncharted
It might have gotten cheaper once the new gen 3d chips come out
@@MrEditsCinema i was gonna say that was not a worthy upgrade, but since it was only a 100 bucks it was ok
@@mikeramos91 massive difference in certain games
@@MrEditsCinema yes with older games at 1080p. At higher resolutions the gap is closed
I just went from an I7-4790K to a R7-5800X3D, its been an awesome change.
I love my 5800x3d. It was a pain to get it to stay in what I thought was a good temp range and still gets hot but the performance has NEVER showed any lacking.
Upgraded my ryzen 5 3600 to 5800x3d and absolutely no regrets paired with 3060ti I'm getting far more out of the 3060ti than I did with 3600, and overall gained 40 to 100fps in some games warcraft raiding for example 7 preset would see 40-50 in raids.. now between 100 and 144fps, well worth the upgrade
Really would like to see a comparison between a 5800X3D with standard 3600MHz CL16 RAM and a 5800X boosting to 5Ghz with super tuned RAM like what I have mine at 3800Mhz CL13-15-11-13-23 with super tight sub timings, with latency around 52ns. I'll probably end up getting a 5800X3D so I can satisfy my curiosity. lol
I currently run a 5800X3D with 3600MHZ CL16 RAM, if there's some benchmarks you have in mind I would like to see how the systems end up comparing
@@imagunner7164 I just got a 5800X3D and a 7900 XTX, so I’ll be doing some comparisons soon now.
I replaced my 3700x with a 5800x3d and I can definitely tell the difference. I’m going to wait for 7000 series to go down and then eventually upgrade to the 3d version of that. Everything is too expensive right now
that extra cache is a god send for CPU bound games, Star Citizen, the most CPU game known to man, gets to high framerates and stable lows.
the difference is night and day on almost all games, not because it allows your GPU to reach higher framerates, but because it massively improves the lows and average framerates.
I'm curious on the Zen 4 3D cache CPUs, the normal Zen 4 CPUs didn't get quite the same jump in perfomance vs Zen 3 and the 5800x3D is trading punches with even the i9 13900k and the 7900x/7950x, but stacking that sweet cache on top of the Zen 4 CPUs might grant them a big jump in gaming perfomance, as well as the price haha.
I swear 3D is on its way to being mainstream again in the following year or two
I hope so! I'm one of the weird ones though who loved the 3D on the 3DS, bought a 3D TV back in the day, and kickstarted the original Oculus DK1 :p
It still is in the Cinema, but Avatar 2 looked great with it, but that movie just like the first from 2009,
was specially filled with special made 3D camera's by James Cameron, also why the movies cost
so much, because Avatar 2 uses new 3D camera's, they say third movie and up are going to be cheaper.
But yeah only for a few movies, i never liked 3D in the cinema's, and home on TV, which is past tense now.
I WANT 3D OLED TV's BACK!!!
@@JacKAsterisK Yooo. OG oculus supporter, that's awesome.
It comes and goes, the moment we got XR going (AR+VR) we will have it guaranteed but until then it's gonna be a loooooooooong time
Got this CPU and its been great, if only I could upgrade my GPU now
Microcenter (if you're fortunate enough to be near one even if it's an hour or two away) currently has a ton of gpus at MSRP prices or lower.
I got one for 60 percent off MSRP and it works flawlessly.
@Darlemonte if you don't live near one trusted friends and family are a way to extend your reach
Pair it with a 3070Ti. I have the non-3D CPU and got that GPU. They're the best pair in terms of price to performance ratio imo
Can confirm. The 5800X3D runs Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 at 1,100 fps. I lost before I even deployed my construction yard.
my brother went from a ryzen 7 2700x to a 5800x3d since he figured its the last cpu he would buy for his am4 platform anyways. No further improvements would come to the am4 platform. he said he noticed a huge performance difference. no regrets from him. while the cpu doesn't support OC'ing it does support undervolting which he did to his.
About time this video came out, the 5800X3D is a total beast and makes any team red rig shine
In gaming*
I feel most people looking at this chip will be using it for that yes, so why make the distinction on my behalf?
@@SupraSavyes, you’re on a video talking about it’s gaming performance if you couldn’t tell.
Is more cache helpful when:
1.) Doing offline audio rendering?
And
2.) During online, real time audio rendering? Such as playing back the music in my DAW with all the plugins running in real time on the CPU?
I got a 5700x. It's pretty good too, and I couldn't justify the extra $100+ for the x3d.
same + if you game in 1440p or 4k your gpu will be more likely the bottleneck
Here in Stupidland (Brazil) the 5800X3D is one of the most expensive CPUs, some places have it priced above even the 7900X! The 5700X being almost half the price should be a no-brainer here.
@@FastSloth87 and don't forget, less power draw
True, with good graphic card that gives high fps those lows are negligible. That 3D is good only if upgraded from 3rd or second gen and average fps is lower for higher res so its important to have less drops bellow some already low fps.
Riley's hand gestures remind me of traffic control in Italy, unless somebody has combined Lightsaber with some aeroplane landing simulation and he's playing that at the same time!
A must be rewatched without sound, pure performance art of the likes often not seen, should get an Oscar.
Just got the 7700X and will upgrade when the 3D version comes for ryzen 9000
Just got a 5800X3D last week to replace a 3600 non-X because it was holding back my new 6750XT. I have undervolted it to a flat 1 volt and she is running smooth and cold. I could very easily take it a little lower if I wanted to but the fact that I never see over 60ish*C when running Aida64 for an hour I don't need too. I have Satisfactory running right now and the hottest temp is the package @35*C, before undervolting it didn't matter what I did she'd spike to 90*C on hottest spot. It's a great CPU, can't wait to see what the new 7000's V-Cache ships can do.
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I went from a I7 6700k/TitanXP to 5800x3d/4080. Huge upgrade, the 5800x3d would get so hot and thermal throttle even with a Noctua-D15, also tried the ID-Cooling Frostflow 280mm. Finally, I chose the Deepcool LS720 as every review I saw said it's a top performer and it definitely is. At 70f ambient I went from thermal throttling with the first two to 74.6c max under a 30 min full load of CPU. My build is finally complete and now I can stop obsessing about getting everything just the way I like it and finally enjoy my new PC.
nice, im selling my 5800x n going to a 5800x3d with a new cooler, my fuckin aio needs to be flushed or some shit after 5k hrs of usage and im lazy D:
Was that Linus dropping something in the background at 3:57 ?
This thing really helped me out, I had a lot of stuttering with other cpu but this thing is buttery smooth paired with my 4070 ti. Really lets things rip to 120 or 144 fps and I love it. The dips I got from slow my ram was annoying as hell but no more!
Factorio has shown what is possible with the 58003D, can't wait for 7950X3D, just need 128gb DDR5 on two dimms
I have a 3080ti which I was running with my 3700X. Not ideal. Recently dropped in a 5800X3D and couldn’t be happier. Great gaming cpu.
I really want to see the longevity of the chip. since it is easier for the chips to get hotter, i could see spikes in temp affecting the cpu more.
get artic liquid freezer ii 280/360, u will be fine with temp for sure, never exceed more than 75C with my 280 LFii
Undervolt the cpu, fixes all temp issues
@@weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee well that's the thing. The cpu, if it spikes, the architecture is creating heat on a 3 dimensional scale. Therefore there could be cores at the center that won't get the full benefit of the cooling. That's why its set fixed normal but it takes time to see if there is faster wear and tear.
@@Hanzomo I think this would work but it seems like they are already doing that so its hard to tell at what point is the goldilocks point. I think it will take time to get accuracy when navigating how they should be handling 3D cache system.
@@victorescobar7437 I mean im talking about the 5800x3d stricly, it runs hotter at base values. but with a undervolt its maxed at 75C in prime95 for me
I got it this week, my 1%lows for fps are higher then my peaks before. Just an insanely stable cpu. Great for Rust btw
so if I ever see the 5800X3D go on sale, is the performance boost in games worth swapping out my 5800X? seeing as AMD swapped the socket type on their CPUs it seems like that's really my only upgrade path unless I wanna rebuild my entire PC
It's currently on sale at $150 below MSRP. It's been on sale on a few websites, including amazon and Newegg for $350 for a couple weeks. I actually bought one about 4 hours before this video was uploaded lmao
No.
Look for benchmarks for the games you play. I did this swap and it was beneficial for things like VR and MSFS2020. Even games that otherwise don't see an average FPS boost seem to be smoother overall from higher 1% lows. Bought the X3D for $300 and sold the X for $200, so cost me $100 (plus tax and shipping). Up to you if it's worth it to you.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 The 1% low increase isn't as big unlike the jump from the Ryzen 7 1700 to the Ryzen 9 5900X for Cyberpunk 2077 (scales pretty well with threads).
This is like the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, it's an emergency edition, Evil Su is worried about the 12th gen CPU, and the 7000 series wasn't launched with 3D cache from the get go.
The 7xxx X3D CPUs will just annihilate everything.
In gaming, relax bucko!
@@Rov-Nihil only in gaming, but looks like intel will be close with it's 13900ks
While you cant really overclock the CPU, you CAN undervolt it to get better temps
And performance, depending on how agressive the motherboard is with the voltage.
I got a 100-200mhz boost in cinebench 20 all core just from undervolting to -30 in curve optimizer, that with 10ºc lower temps.
On my motherboard, MSI just kept pumping more and more voltage with every BIOS version, to ridiculous levels, so it was pretty much a must. =_=
Having tested both the 5800x3d and a 5900x. If you exclusively play @ 4k for example, CODMW2, the in game benchmarks with a DDR4 3600 CL16, averaged about 127-129 fps @Ultra settings with DLSS Quality (RTX 4080 FE)....differences are negligible.
Unless you exclusively play at 1080p or even 1440p, personally would stick with the 5900x as it does well against the 3d version @ 4K...and it has more cores, plus can be overclocked.
I wonder how well the new x3d cpus will perform
Not much better
@@Durkhead they said about 20% better
@@adamhenderson9178 k
i dont wonder
so far from leaks and videos not much of an uplift. Its more of a better overall gaming cpu plus higher clock for application. Thats the main attraction.
Got mine for $299 a few weeks back. What a steal, prices are back up from $350 to $450
Still 299 at micro center
AMD is the best for the money hands down.
Yay more Riley! Quick bits is just not enough 😭
5800x3d and 7900 xt... I gots no issues at all
Can't wait to upgrade to this from my 3800x! it'll really round out my rig and I won't upgrade for awhile after, because any new cpu would mean a whole new motherboard+ram, and I wouldn't touch the current gpu market with a 6 foot pole (on a 3070 which I have no need to upgrade from). good thing is that it seems the 5800x3d will keep me current for years to come.
Correction, I do plan one upgrade in the near future past my cpu: my monitors to 1440p. I had to skimp out and only get 1080p but especially with the 5800x3d I'll have far more fps than I'll need and can easily turn that into more pixels.
I’ve been having this idea. Why don’t cpus just have bigger cache/ram for example 16gb. Most people would take the performance advantage over the versitility of upgradability. Of course the cpu size will be bigger and motherboards must be changed as well but in the long term, we can’t shrink the transistors beyond a limit but we can reduce latency by something like what i suggested
CPU's RAM are faster them system ram.
I'd be super expensive to produce gigabytes of those rams. And besides that, with that much ram, the module itself would be way bigger than it is right now. This would mean that not only the motherboard design would need to be changed but also the cpu package itself, since this large module would change how fast things could move inside the die. Just compare a stick of 16GB and see how many chip packages it has and how large they are. It's impractical for the days we are right now.
we're at 2 digit megabytes and this guy talks about 16 gb lmfao
It is a matter of die size, and hence cost. Cache architectures use SRAM technology requiring 6 transistor for every bit of data. Classical system RAM uses DRAM technology requiring 1 transistor and 1 capacitor for every bit of data. You would need a relatively giant chip to have 16gb of SRAM, increasing cost directly. To make matters worse, as die area increases so does the likelyhood of a defect in an individual chip which reduces yeild, increasing manufacturing costs further
Because that would cost tens of thousands of dollars to produce, and impossible to power and cool.
I understand the cost would be higher but we’re at a point where we’re only seeing marginal improvements generation over generation so why not just release a flagship cpu with all the great stuff? It would start a revolution in the cpu space and bring a ton of hype
I'd like to see benchmarks with regular PC, vs CPU with cache disabled (if possible) paired with fastest RAM and SSD combo.
My i7-12700K only has 25MB of L3 cache and perfomance is basically the same as a 12900K for gaming. You don't need 3 times more L3 cache if you have a chip with almost 30% higher perfomance per core (P-cores) or at least 20% higher IPC (instructions per clock).
I have two NVMe SSDs.
In cod warzone, I went from 90-100fps average to 190+, in comparison to my 2600x
With what gpu
@@Rancid_Ninja 3060 ti
dlSS as well
love it when stodeh finds time for making these videos!
I'm looking forward to this tactic being employed in more cpus going forward. Not a fan of AMD based on past experiences, but I like seeing them demonstrate the effectiveness of stacking cache!
Out of curiosity, what past experiences?
I've been planning on building my own PC for awhile now, the only thing stopping me is the wait for next months release of the 7950X3D
Same. I'm thinking of buying it in fear of it being sold out right when it is released, then holding onto it to see what reviewers say about it.
What’s an astronaut’s favorite part of a computer?
-The space bar.
just bought this cpu and Upgrading from a Ryzen 5 2600X to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D this week before it all changes to AM5 and prices go silly - i am looking forward to the improvement
excited to see new 3d cache cpus. If they possibly make a 7600x3d imma buy it.
A while back me and the GF were talking about news anchors and I said my favorite News anchor was this guy (Riley) on Tech Quickie and she was incredulous... "Better than Savannah Guthrie blah blah blah..." So I sent her a link and yesterday she says: "You might be right, that Riley guy is good"
Damn the 5800X3d is like 600 bucks here. Must be nice to be a pc user in the states
Blame your government.
It must be nice to not be bankrupted by a single medical issue.
Keep crying about small expenditures, though.
@@tim3172 why the cope?
@@tim3172🤣🤣Hurt feelings detected
Well you guys can still make fun of our expensive medical bills still 🙃
I had an old 2700x up until fairly recently. 5800x3D was a massive upgrade especially for CPU bound titles such as Minecraft.
I plan on pairing it with a rx 6700 xt 12gb gpu, cannot wait, but unfortunately I will have to wait :(
@@chronotrigger2000 I currently have an rx 6600 which I intend to stick with until I can no longer play games on medium settings at 120+fps. After that I'll consider an upgrade if I'm still actively gaming at that point.
@@darkbooger If you have a lower-end card like RX6600, why did you spend so much money on a CPU? Would it not be smarter to invest them in a better GPU instead?
@@wj45 I play at 1080p so I am more CPU bound for framerates. A new GPU would be nice, but it won't increase framerates if my CPU is causing bottlenecks which it was on my old CPU in some titles I frequently played.
Plus the 5800x3D was on sale at the time for about $329 after briefly being $170 which I missed by a few hours.
I do a lot of video rendering too, and regret going for the 5800x3d. It is pretty great for gaming, but I didn't realize it was going to be worse at everything else
Oh wow
That's why I use GPU to render everything instead of the CPU.
7950X3D
i'm thinking about swapping out my 5950X with a 5800x3d. i don't do much video editing but i do record and stream. with my 7900xtx handling the recoding, haven't seen how it streams yet...laziness on my part. but if i can improve my 4k performance with out doing another build, even if its just a small 1% low improvement. could make it worth it...maybe
Could you all do a video on pcie standards with regards to GPUs if you haven't already? This is one of a few topics I've had a hard time researching on my own. It has become relevant to me lately with AMD putting pcie 5 on their mobos and there being a shift towards other newer standards like dp 2.1, HDMI 2.0, DDR 5, etc.
Historically, it hasn't had a significant impact on performance except for GPUs with low VRAM capacity and fewer than 16 PCIe lanes. The RX 6500 XT (only 4 PCIe lanes and 4GB VRAM) runs much slower on older PCIe versions though, and the RX 6600/6650 XT, RX 5500 XT 4GB, and RTX 3050 (which all have 8 PCIe lanes) also lose a couple of percent of their performance in some situations when limited to PCIe 3.0.
But I'd like to see updated tests which show how developing technologies like ReBAR/SAM and DirectStorage/SAS/RTXIO are affected by PCIe version, and whether there are any differences in PCIe bandwidth requirements for new GPU architectures.
PCIe 5.0 won't matter for GPUs until GPUs actually support it though. RX 7000-series and RTX 4000-series will run at PCIe 4.0 speed if installed in a PCIe 5.0 slot. It's likely to be useful for high-end PCIe 5.0 SSDs in tasks that require a lot of sequential bandwidth, but PCIe 5.0 SSDs are only just starting to become available.
I don't like Userbenchmark, but chips like the R7 5800X3D really fits the "Advanced Marketing Devices" line perfectly lmao.
I'm glad i bought an i7-12700K at the same price and recommended a friend the 5900X for his productivity stuff and Cyberpunk 2077 (a game he likes a lot and played on his older Ryzen 7 1700).
I thought I'd misread the title for a second. I was expecting a CES announcement for the 7800 X3D.
Unless they stack like 500 of it screw vertical oldtech cache. Team blue clearly atleast on par on those slides without any fancy cache, and thats proly BEFORE overclock.
ths tech is capable of so much more and here we are playing games with it
This is the MMO CPU, and soon Zen 4 X3D CPUs😀(I'm going to guess the 7800X3D might perform a bit better cause of only one CCD) I play Guild Wars 2 and the gains in FPS are pretty high. If anyone plays GW2 you know what I'm talking about when you enable ultra shadows and spin the camera you get a bit of stutter all the time. With the 5800X3D it's pretty much gone, maybe a few areas there might be a very slight hiccup, but that's it.
As a gw2 player looking to make a new gaming PC, I was wondering if I should stick with this or something else. My old build is a bit laggy, it's 8 years old, and I get the stutter. I'm probably going to get this processor, but still doing research though. Thanks
@@omgoddess7 I would actually just upgrade if your on AM4? You just need a bios update to support the 5800X3D , just have to check your board manufacturer website. A drop in upgrade would extend the life by a few years, and with GW2 you will notice the gains and how much more stable the FPS will be. There should be some videos on the 5800X3D and GW2👍🙂
@@-INFERNUS- My motherboard is an Intel and using an devil's canyon. I'm just making a complete new build and I think this is the way I'm going to go. My only issue might be using Adobe suite, I see some saying it's not the best for those applications. So I'm still doing a bit more research.
@@omgoddess7 ah ok a whole new build. Hmmm, it's true that Intel is a bit faster than AMD when it comes to Adobe Suite, I was thinking if you go Intel a 13700k would be a great CPU for GW2 and adobe, I don't know your budget but if you need more cores then a 13900k would be great to. If you need to see reviews and benchmarks GamersNexus is great and also Paul's Hardware, Hardware Unboxed as well.
@@-INFERNUS- Im looking for am4 build that will last about 7 years. Mainly for GW2 and light video editing and Photoshop. If you have any suggestions please lmk. My budget is about 1500. I don't want any budget parts, I want this to last.
Here I was ready to go down to microcenter and build a myself a new system in the next couple of weeks. I was going to build a Ryzen anyway so now I'm gonna have to wait and see what these new chips can do.
Crazy that they just announced the 7000gen 3D processors
If anyone plays Escape From Tarkov, this CPU can give you HUGE performance gains without having to touch your GPU. Upgrading from a Ryzen 2600 and 1080ti to the 5800x3d took the FPS from 60-70 avg to 130-180 on the same GPU. Rust and Star Citizen see similar results.
I was using a 3700X with a 3080FE and when i upgraded to the 5800X3D I noted much smoother gameplay and more consistent frame times. Sekiro being an outlier
Just 3 days ago I upgraded to the 5800x3d from a 2700x, because I felt it was bottlnecking my 2080Ti, especially in VR. It's just a world of difference. If you already have an AM4 motherboard and don't want/need to upgrade to a new platform, I can highly recommend that CPU as a last hurrah for the AM4 platform!
How did you determine the bottleneck? Did you make any measurements before and after the upgrade?
You dont say 😆
lol. I was literally JUST looking at the Ryzen 5700X when this popped up in my subscriptions. I think Im still gonna go with the 5700 (Just within my budget as it is on sale now on Amazon for like 170-190$ as opposed to the 5800X3D being 340$ on the low end.)
That's assuming the sales are still going on when I go to buy them.
I just threw this bad boy into an old x370 i have since day 1! AMD YOU ROCK!
I got it for $330 with the Uncharted bundle. The difference between this and my old 3700X is night and day. If you plan on holding on the to AM4 platform for a few years, the 5800X3D is the best option.
Oh fuck, I actually wanted to play that.
I didn't get it on that. Now it's 350 at its best with no bundle. Waiting for it to lower or include a bundle again. Hoping it does anyway...
i went from an r7 1700 to an r7 5700x, even that jump is pretty big. gonna upgrade the mb from x470 to x570 and grab some faster ram at the same time later this year, then use the old parts to upgrade another computer. next year i should be able to go up from a 1660ti without bottle necking.
Did the exact same with my build, got it for $330 also and that's just a crazy deal for such a good CPU. Great way to hang on to your AM4 build for years to come...
I got mine for 320$ from an AMD employee (it was basically a tray type), he gave me codes for Uncharted, Callisto Protocol and the upcoming Dead Island 2. sweet deal if I say so myself
It might be but it runs hot af, 240mm aio and it still hits 90° after 30s in cinebench r23 and thats on open bench system xd
Undervolting makes a huge difference. There are some differences between motherboard manufacturers and bios versions as well. I suspect that my Gigabyte X570 gives a bit to much power, I can run all cores at -30 mV stable. I don't loose any performance, and temps drop 10 degrees
I have a 5800x3d in one pc, and a 5600x in the other. Both have a humble 5700xt gpu. They both have identical performance. I guess for me to really see any benefit I would have to upgrade my gpu.
Yes, yes.
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Alright bois I need some halp.
I have a i7-8700
6900XT
16GB DDR4
1k Power supply
49” G9 Odyssey (I game at 4K and only game, no work related programs)
Question is: should I get the 5800x3d now or wait for the new x3d with the upcoming DDR5 Ram?
I don’t want to behind but is the 5800x3d future proof or wait and invest in the new upcoming x3d model?
If you are changing to team red I would splurge some on the motherboard for a premium AM5. From a company known for upgrading bioses for a long time. You'll be able to do a massive in place upgrade in 3 years to a 13950X3D. 5800X3D is awesome as a last hurrah for AM4, I got one as an upgrade from a 3600. I wouldn't build a new system with it though.
I recently went from 3900x to 5800x3d and as the most demanding game I play regularly is Tarkov, which is CPU bound, I've seen great performance improvement, even tho I'm still GPU bottlenecked a bit with my 5700xt.
I'd really like the 7900x3d, but that upgrade is certainly going to be way too expensive for me.
Did you make some measurements before and after the upgrade? How did you notice the performance improvement? Would it not be better to upgrade the GPU for the money instead?
I would say the "3D" is that the cache actually is stacked like HMB and not side to side like traditional VRAM.
Fantastic video thank you so much!
I just bought one to play Tarkov, and my guy... this cpu is a focking beast. I had a R5 2600 and the fun part is: I'm with 16 gb ram running on 2400 right now.
My pc feels like a monster already and this cpu is not even on 100% of it's potential, feels like some shonen villain hidden superpower bs.
Posting this comment for anyone who might find it helpful , since I found not much info about this topic in particular.
The general agreement seems to be that 4k is gpu bound , and that’s about it , next.
That’s not the whole story , I have a 4090 , and used to have a 5800x
And I noticed that in games with ray tracing , I was rarely getting 99% gpu , usage , instead , it was somewhere around 85% GPU usage.
Consequently , I usually saw my fps be from 10 to even 18 fps less than what I saw 4090 users get on RUclips.
I decided to get a 5800X3D. A bold move , upgrading from a 5800x to a 5800x3D.
Sounds like a waste of money…
But it gave me a boost , almost comparable to a gpu upgrade. My gpu usage is almost always 100% at 4k , ad it should be .
And not only are my fps quite a bit higher.
But my 1% lows took a very veeeery nice jump , even on games , where I thought I wasn’t getting any cpu bottleneck.
If you are focused on gaming , and you are on an am4 platform, not looking to change your mb , ram to get am5.
Then the 5800X3D is an amazing good bye to am4
What an amazing gaming cpu.
Specially come nsidering that RT is getting pretty commonly implemented now.
And this processor does wonders to improve cpu performance in games with rt
Still rocking the Ryzen 7 1700 and a b450f mobo. Pair them with a 4080, and I’m getting 100 plus fps with DLSS 3 in 4k. Probably will never upgrade a cpu until I absolutely have to..
You're bottlenecking that GPU with that processor. Not getting what you paid for as a result.
I'm looking forward to the decades with gigabytes of cache on the CPU 😎
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